The Future of Moto: Sur-Ron X Black Edition Unboxing & First Impression + Comparison
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- In our first video, we unbox the Sur-Ron. We then take a look at what it's capable of, following it off with a comparison to other bikes in varying fields.
Website: emotobros.com/
Chapters:
Intro: 0:00
Unboxing: 0:08
Beauty Shots: 1:43
First Ride: 2:19
Comparison: 4:22
Outro: 8:25
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Email: emotobros@gmail.com
Website: emotobros.com
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Love your track and the forested area you were riding in! Looks very serene and it even had jumps.
Looking forward to future videos.
We appreciate the support! We are very fortunate to live near so many good riding areas.
New subscriber, great video. Look forward to the reviews and upgrades.
Love it! Thanks for the vid
I've seen many videos of people getting a sur ron just for speed and kicks but you guys are actually using it for its intended purpose. Very nice 👌 and looking forward to what you guys do with it in the next vids.
Wow thanks. I’m a city guy Portland Oregon started with e skate boards which r rad then two juiced pedal bikes. Just got the sur-Ron for the beach logging roads. Awesome 😎. Looking forward to ur next video
do you have any good recommendations for beach logging roads near there?
Great video Sur Ron is slick I love mine
Great video 💯 👍 👌 thanks for sharing 👍
great video. subbed
Great content, i have to wait another 7 weeks for my surron. Can't wait to see what upgrades you guys recommend
Keep an eye out for the brake video in the next couple days. The video after that will be discussing the upgrades we have done and which ones we plan to do. Thanks for the support!
When did you order it and from where
Where did you order from ???
@@MotoXdreamz I ordered directly from alibaba
@@tintin6291 order from lunacycles
THIS was the analysis I needed 👌
Perfect.
Glad I found your page, looking into getting 1 of these, just wish they were still $3600,lol
Good vid
thanks for sharing. cool little frontyard/backyard track you guys got going on! how tall are the riders? how do you like the way they handle vs a mountain bike? is the riding style more moto or more mtn bike?
Definitely lucky to have the space to build something like that! Both riders are 5'11" 155-170lbs. Going downhill they feel very similar to a heavy mountain bike but less playful and more stable. Going uphill they feel like a dirt bike that is much less tiring to move around. It really is the best of both worlds.
Thanks - This was a very informative review - I'm a mountain biker and dirt biker too. I will always continue to mountain bike - but I want a quiet, fast, affordable and much lighter dirt bike - this seems to tick all those boxes. Thanks again !
Same boat 😊
you guys should look into making a bicycle chain conversion kit.it would free up rolling mass and maintain durability!this bike really dosnt need a motor cycle chain.a beefy bike chain will hold 20hp no problem!i did a go cart with one a longtime ago.the cart had a 25hp snowmobile engine.
Interestingly, people are actually trying to go to a bigger chain. The issue isn’t HP, it’s the amount of torque. The chain that’s on there now experiences so much torque that it’ll stretch over an inch just in 200Mi of riding. Reducing chain size would only exasperate this issue.
@@emotobros whoa..i would have never guessed that!thanks for the info!
Your videos are quite excellent. Sub'd
I think a closer comparison would have been to the Oset 24.0. That's the side by side I'd like to see. But of course then someone would need to have one so you're not just posting pics.
cool my dudes; im considering getting one
Me too 👍🏼
They arent that good mate just like pit bike fall apart
@@liamtaaffe9612 had mine 2 years never broke a single thing n I thrash the foook out of it they solid great bikes
Hey Guys, nice video! Im wondering when you ordered your sur ron because i havent received any emails providing an eta. Did yours arrive within their delivery range?
Hey, we ordered May 4th and didn't receive them until the 17th of June. The bikes are getting so popular that most shipments are always between 4-7 weeks out from the time you order. Ours were slated for early June delivery so I'd say they were a bit behind. Something to note also is that we didn't select any options with our so they were the first to be shipped out from Luna. If you ordered something like the belt drive or super-moto tires it'll take longer because they have to unpack your bike, install the options, re-pack and then ship.
@@emotobros Awesome thats good to know thanksssss!!
Hi, you mention in the video that there is the possibility to upgrade the controller to get more power, did I understand correctly? I thought the X controller was the most powerful one. THX
We have two videos on this! The controller can be upgraded to an aftermarket one. We plan on selling a plug and play kit in the next couple weeks that’ll be capable of tripling the power of the stock SurRon.
Where do you get the "shur ron" pronunciation? Serious question. I thought it was "sir-ron"
It started as a joke between Cole and I as a call out to the Bugatti Chiron but than people started actually getting upset that we were saying it that way so we try to call it 'Sir-ron' now haha.
Lol SUR RON
how you guys like the shinko 241 in 2.75 inch? want to know if the 3.5 inch fits on the rear
We’ve since gone to a much bigger wheel and tire but it required trimming. The 3.5” may fit but it’d be tight.
I will never sell my dirt bikes over an e-bike. The maintenance on a dirt bike are far less than this video states. Example: one of my dirt adventure bikes is an '03 DR650 and runs perfectly with zero rebuilds, I ride it once a week for the last 20 years. I do like the concept of the Talaria and Sur Ron, but I will wait for a non-Chinese option. And $8k for a mountain bike with a little battery...fuck that! That kind of money will get you an awesome duel sport you can ride almost anywhere.
also for some reason my back brakes have been rubbing the rotor as it was out the box. It doesn’t look like there’s really anything to be done about this... did you guys have this problem or is it normal?
That's pretty normal, check out our brake set-up video to see how to center the caliper on the rotor. We show the centering process starting at 2:05 in the video.
E-Moto Bros my dude
I’m 6’3” , will I feel comfortable on this bike ¿
Where to buy such engine protection?
Did it come with the pro taper bars?
It doesn’t, we bought those to make it feel more like a dirtbike.
When did you guys order it? How long did it take to get from Preorder from Luna to you guys?
Ordered May 4th, received June 17th. It took longer than we were hoping but was worth the wait!
@@emotobros ouch! thats a wait...was the delivery estimate from Luna accurate though?
@@nunyobizkneez Yes, the delivery estimate was accurate. We had one update email in between the order confirmation and the shipping confirmation letting us know the delivery was still on track.
Did you have to clip a wire or was it unlocked right out of the box??
We had to clip the wire and ours was early June delivery. Supposedly every batch after ours you don't have to cut the wire on.
E-Moto Bros you guys are awesome just made you a shout out video I am so impressed with your work. Have you done CZcams or videography before?
@@CJMoto We really appreciate the shout and are glad you are enjoying the content. We both have no CZcams or videography experience and everything in these vids is shot on a GoPro. We look forward to watching some more of your content!
Do you know if there is anything that I can put on the back of my car to transport the sur ron? Like a heavy duty bike rack type of deal?
We use a pick-up so there isn't anything we have used that we can recommend. The Sur-Ron is only 80lbs without the battery so as long as your bike/moto rack can support 80lbs it should be good to go.
Awesome, thanks
@@emotobrosjust weighed mine 92 lbs, also the manual states 92.6lbs without the battery, but regardless you should shoot for a 110lbs+ rack, better yet grab yourself a 200lbs+ rack for when you realize its way too much fun and you want 2 of them. Look for a class 1 hitch ebike rack. Also I've seen them fit in the back of the tesla model s, so might just want to invest in that.
What is the difference between the black series, light bee, and the bee?
I think the light bee is smaller not sure
Does anyone know if they have a promo code or any military discounts available?
There are none, I checked, So just decided to Order from Alibaba. $1000+ cheaper that includes shipping cost
@@xjumpmaster82 do you remember the shipping cost? There's so many model and I'm afraid to make a mistake. Can you send the link to which one you bought?
do you have link for the upgraded pegs?
Any 2010+ rmz 250/450 peg will fit the Sur-Ron. Sur-Ron american also sells some nice stainless ones but the fit is only so so.
E-Moto Bros
1 second ago
Went back through the eBay history. These are the black RMZ pegs that I bought. Only ones I could find that were black and sharp enough. Sorry for the late reply but here is the link. www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Billet-Wide-Foot-Pegs-for-Suzuki-RMX450Z-2010-2017-RMZ450-2008-2018-RMZ250/131595480827?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Battery!?
Cool video but annoying to have to keep adjusting my volume because you made the music much louder.
It was the first video we had ever made. We try to equalize the audio as best as possible but it can be tricky with lots of clips to keep track of. Thanks for the feedback.
@@emotobros All good, was a great video otherwise, i can't wait to get myself one of these bikes 😊
We need Sur-Ron with at least 30% more power and range , name it Su-Ron XT with battery 74V 60Ah , current model is good for 70kg / 150 LBS rider only
Its called the ASI BAC8000
I doubled my range using another 60V battery in parallel with the original. The problem is you have to account for the change in cg because of the weight away from the mid point center line of the bike. Anything outside of the frame such as pannier batteries or a backpack battery affects your rotation tremendously while airborne. But if you are a pavement queen then adding extender packs is just about properly wiring a correctly made battery.
If you want more wattage then you will need to bypass your battery management system, or incorporate a new electronic speed controller like Captain Codswallop recommended with the ASI BAC8000, also the ASI BAC4000 would work just as well (note you need to power these controllers with a higher voltage battery 18-20s to see real differences in wattage).
@@BrogrammerBasics What I said is addressed to Su-Ron manufacturer , current model are designed for China only where average man is 5.2 feet tall and under 150 lbs
luna cycle is coming out with their own bike this year. Im waiting for that to come out but i cant get any specs from the people at luna because they r keeping it tight lipped till release.
How tall are you please? Just trying to gauge how big this bike is
5’11
Can you drive these on the street? I want a fun bike to drive around town in, but does it have to be registered? Lol
You can but legality of these is sketchy and the laws are different everywhere. You probably won’t get hassled staying below 20MPH in the bike lane but it depends if the police are having a bad day or not.
Want
Comparing an ebike to the most maintenance intensive class of dirt bike.? A Honda XR anything would be a better comparison. Better yet have both.
We were only comparing to things we have personally ridden and owned otherwise we are going off someone else's word and we felt that was less genuine. I think the point still stands that no matter what it is an ICE will require more maintenance than a Sur-Ron.
I was unaware that factory dirtbikes now cost upwards of $80,000 dollars, I guess I'll get a used Porsche 911 instead
$80,000 would be an inexpensive one. Some are around $150,000. The top level pays huge for a small change in speed.
How tall are you? I want one but I’m 6’4” and think I might be to tall for it
We are both around 5'11" and they fit us nicely. You could opt for riser bars and the seat extenders and be just fine. I have seen multiple people your height riding the bikes just fine with these changes.
E-Moto Bros thank you so much I’m getting one now
3600 bucks where did you see that price they cost more then that in the usa they are 4100 us
Your late to the party. The price went up since when we made the video
6:32 80,000??
On the low end. Some say as high as $150k. Moto GP bikes are $2mil+ and F1 are $10mil+. Motor sports at the top level are ridiculously expensive.
@@emotobros dayumn
there's quite a few more pros and con compared to a dirt bike....a HUGE one that you forget( regardless of claimed power specs which there really is just no comparison IE those suron torque number is fake as all get out) the fuel source. Im sure if you took the suron to a trail and ripped it for 45 mins up and downhill it would be dead. You then have to have a means to charge it and time to wait. Refueling a dirt bike it instant and can lend to hundreds of miles per tank (depending on style and type of riding and bike). This is the MAIN issued why I havent switched over. If you call them both dirt bikes, its like comparing a prius to a ferrari in their respective use cases(if the prius only ran for a very limited time and had no pertrol backup). It think these things are GREAT backyard bashers, but to compare them to dirt bikes it hard a pill to swallow.
We agree the the list could have been longer. The sur-ron is capable of as much as any nice ICE dirt bike. There are guys winning supercross races against built 450s on Sur-Rons. Where they currently fall flat is the range. Riding hard you get 20-25mi on a charge. The thing is, for less than the cost of a new 250f you can get a sur-ron, 2 extra batteries and a controller that makes it faster than a 250. This setup will be half the weight of even the nicest dirt bikes and be able to get through a 60mi day of riding. We take ours everywhere we took the ICE bikes and have been faster and less tired on the Sur-Rons than anything before it. In your analogy, I'd argue that the Ferrari is the Sur-Ron. Hope that helps give a better insight.
@@emotobros I didnt think it was this way before....but you have drank the koolaid. There is not one professional motocross race (raced by professionals) where a suron has ever beat a 450 moto. It doesnt have the suspension, the power, or the longevity. I have owned over 100 dirt bikes and ridden since the 80s. I also own a light bee. There is no comparison, its 2 completely different things. A suron couldn't muster the longevity, let alone the power, to finish a supercross or a 30 minute moto. So if your comparison is taking the best suron rider in the world and placing them against some D tier moto class...maybe...and thats a doubtful maybe. You can buy a brand new 2020 KX250F for just shy of $6k at the moment(from a dealship just search it). and its hard to fill that gap with controller, batteries, forks, and shocks. You'd have alot into a suron (maybe more than 6k) to make it a moto bike. I considered doing it to mine, but i decided to just ride it for what it is, a fun little small frame bike thats fun to tool around on. There are plenty of videos of people riding (non moto) tight trails courses (experienced riders) where the Gas bikes are besting the suron by smallish margins (10-15%). That is giving the suron the absolute best possible scenario(taking away almost any advantage the gas bikes power, range, and suspension offer it). My only issue is dont lie to people. A suron is NOT a motocross bike and not one single Supercross race (a serious/professional one) has ever been won by a suron vs a "built 450s" ($30,000 pro moto factory bikes). The Suron simply couldnt complete a 20 min+1 SC race with all the hard up hill pulls. I get around 15 mins of hard riding on mine around our SC track and being 6'5" tall, its a struggle on the suron(140mm seat height deficit is brutal). Its just not meant to do it (competitively). Its an awesome little bike, but DO NOT be confused it is NOT better than a moto bike at what it is designed to do, by any margin. It is about the same power wise as my sons KX65 (on the bottom ONLY!) It is FAR slower than my daughers KX100. For people who want a small, peppy, light, eco friendly, neighbor friendly, city friendly machine, its great!
@@emotobros Suron 3600 light speed battery 2100 each(4200 total) BAC 8000 1000=$8,800.00 (this doesnt include forks and shock) that a brand new 2020 450 from any big name Japanese brand(end of model year).
@@liverebel So to begin with, I never said it was a professional race. I said a supercross race against built (not factory which by the way are way more than $30,000) 450s. Here is the link to that: facebook.com/100042042695761/videos/298666521544769/
I still disagree that there is no comparison, they are both off-road, two wheeled machines with front and rear suspension, disc brakes and a motor. The only difference is weight, power and rigidity 2 of which can be better on the sur-ron than an ICE dirt bike. Of course stock they aren't comparable but we aren't talking stock. We are talking what you can get for the same MSRP price.
I also never said it could finish a 30min moto or a full length monster energy supercross race so those points don't seem relevant. Beyond that there are videos comparing stock Surrons against a 'factory edition' ktm where the time difference around a woodsy trail was only 10 sec over a 4min track. But again, I wasn't talking stock. Regardless, the point still stands that if a $3,600 e-bike is that close to a $10,000 ktm when it's stock, then for less than $6,000 you can make it far better.
Also, we didn't lie to anyone. Where did we ever mislead people into saying it was something that it isn't?
Beyond that, I think something may be wrong with your sur-ron if it only lasts 15 min and is barely faster than a 65cc dirt-bike. I've ridden the surron along side built 110s and none of them were even close and it also lasted longer than an hour, so you may consider checking into that.
Regarding your experience, I think it's quite obvious why you prefer a full size dirt-bike if you are 6'5" this bike wasn't even made for someone 5 inches shorter than you so obviously your not going to feel comfortable on it.
Finally, you're a bit off on the pricing.
Base SurRon: -$3,600
New suspension: -$1,500
2 New 72v batteries: -$3,200-$4,200 (there is more than 1 option I'll average at $3700)
BAC 4000: -$800 (the BAC 8000 is capable of producing far more power than the surron can use and is overkill)
Brake pads and Tires: -$150
Selling stock parts
Battery and Controller: +$2000
Stock suspension: +$600
Total Cost: $7,150 (MSRP not everyone can get deals). Not only is that cheaper than any brand new 250, I'd ride this any day over any ICE dirt bike out there.
If you want to argue that you can't count selling the stock parts, there are companies out there that sell built surrons with the parts I've listed minus the extra battery for ~$7,300
I think these bikes are capable of far more than you're giving them credit.
@@emotobros I did miss putting a 1 in front of the $30,000.00. So that video is exactly what i expected. Some high tier rider running a bunch of D tier guys in the 40+ class(for fun class). I dont hate the suron, but to tell kids that its better than a dirt bike is a FALSE CLAIM. It is good at what it was designed to do, ride trails and cruise along. It is NOT a moto bike (like a kx250) in the way and style that the KX250F was designed to be ridden and its use case. Im even pro electric guys!! I used to run nitron RC cars back in the 1990-2000s and then the brushless electric came along and it was hard for me to adopt them. I did and they are superior in every way now(my kids play with brushless Arma stuff now). Electric bikes are not dirt bikes(i use this term to refer to moto bikes). Now they make electric dirt bikes KTM and Alta do (or at least they did). They are also inferior to gas bikes in every way. The point is dont buy a suron thinking its a dirt bike, it isnt. And for the price of a suron (if you want a dirt bike) you can pickup a TON of used options that will last until suron as a company has ceased to exist and is all but forgotten. I will still be able to find parts (and service) for my 1989 250R. There will be a time when electric bikes will FOR SURE surpass gas bikes, but its not now, and its not suron(by a long shot).
My only wish is that they'd go up to 60mph
That’s basically a electric motorcycle
$3600 where?
Was the price when purchased on the day of uploading this. I believe it has increased 2-3 times since then.
Basically the sur ron is for kids and and upgraded 10000 surron is for adults this is just a cheap style pit bike iv replaced the motor and battery at a cost 1800 because warrenty didnt cover it trust me these bikes aint cheap to maintain my drive belt snaped the the speado doesnt work ignition has broke they are good for bout 6 months then start fallin apart that why a surron has warrenty cause they know goin brake i have 4 mates with surron and they all had new batteries and two had motors buy one and sell it within 12month else you will get big bills when it brakes trust me mines in shop yet again out of the 2 years iv had it bet bin in shop for 6months of that they are mint bikes but just only for 12month
I have owned one now for two year they are not motocross bike at all the suspension cant handle the jumps which makes the bike bang around they are ebikes because most downhill tracks destroy sur rons
I agree with you fully they ain't even close to a Motocross bike! I never bought it to be a Motocross bike I bought it to have s bad ass mountain bike that fly's around my woodlands and trails!!! For the money the bikes slick as fuck I love the sur Ron
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waste of money go watch this "The Fastest eBike for $3600 Ladi & Margaret"
Hub motor and pedals? No thanks.