Stock Sur Ron X Top Speed Test VS 54 Tooth Sprocket + Range Comparison
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- I did a GPS top speed test on my stock Sur Ron X and then geared it down with a 54 tooth sprocket. for both speed tests I travel to distance of 7.4 miles and the results were surprisingly good in favor of the 54 tooth! these small changes and upgrades make a huge difference for electric motorcycles whereas on a gas dirt bike you would notice a difference in torque on the lower end and that's about it.
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The idea of electric dirt biking is so cool to me
i wish i would have seen this video sooner, at 18:04 you did a spin around thing to turn around, how the heck did you do that lol
16:00 is the actually top speed test.
19:42 is the results / numbers.
Doing Gods work son
Thanks I was about to lose my cool.
2 years later. Thank you
Wow! Watching you takes me right back to high school (1966-1970) and my little 125 dirt bike. I'm a disabled army war veteran (desert shield/desert storm) and don't really get out that much lately......but your videos make me feel like I'm right there with you. It's truly a good feeling and I appreciate you taking me along for the ride. Hope you continue to put out these high quality vids.....it's nice to "get out".
Take care.....new sub here. Keep on rockin, Edwin! From Columbia, Missouri. Home of the Mizzou Tigers.
Thank you for your service.
Thank you for your service sir
For those looking for more Top-End Torque for the Sur Ron, the 52T Rear Sprocket will deliver. It adds 20% to the Acceleration and Hill Climbing while taking the top speed down from 45mph to 38mph! So a bigger Sprocket means more torque but less top end speed!
I have a 52 and love it..
@@dicktomasko1553 what battery/controller/sprocket/wheel size and what’s the top speed? Thanks!
@@chaseschannel1151 stock battery/52 tooth. Maybe4mph lower. Climbs any hill. I'm 205 ibs. Add one link.
@@chaseschannel1151 stock wheels/tires
My sue ron is all stock & my fat ass close to 200 lbs & when I put a 54 tooth sprocket it still does 50 mph & more power & torq. I was thinking it would loose 3-5 mph nope . Idk it baffles me . Modified a lot of gas motorcycles & bigger rear sprocket & slower ???
I've tried almost all of the sprockets available on my SurronX and at 185LBS rider, I like the 58T the best. Still fast enough for the trails but also enough power to get me up steep hills. If you weigh a little more then maybe go with the 60T and if you are 165lbs or less then go with the 54T.
In my opinion, 64T takes away too much top speed so I would not recommend that unless maybe you are 240LBS or more and need it to lug you up hills.
In my opinion, the 52T should come default as even with a really light rider its great over the 48T and especially if you are woods riding you don't need to go 50MPH on this little bike.
Now if we could mod this bike to have two gears, at 185LBS I'd go with the 64T and the 54T and normally only use the 54T but switch to the 64T on really steep hill climbs.
In a perfect world, this bike would be 72V, 52T sprocket and about 12HP vs the stock of about 4HP. You can do that now with some after market mods but i am looking forward to when that is stock as this bike would be amazing in that configuration.
This bike is a blast! Loving it especially on the tight trails.
Battery technology is really the limiting factor these days but that only going to continue to improve and eventually electric bikes will take over motocross.
If you have not checked it out yet, watch some videos of the Surron Storm Bee full size dirtbike. Looks great but may be just a bit too heavy thanks to that huge battery for some. One day you could replace that battery with a lighter more powerful one and make the bike even better. I believe the controller can handle 150v on the storm bee but again today's battery technology is the limiting factor since a 150v battery would just add a ton more weight to a bike that is already borderline too heavy. I'd bet that with a 150v battery the full size storm bee could compete with 450cc bikes if we could keep the weight of the bike under 250LBS and if the electric motor can handle it.
Tesla’s 4680’s go under mass production like 2022-2023. Those will eventually trickle down, or maybe some companies can yoink em. Supposedly 50% the energy density and 50% cheaper
Most of the time I run the 48t sprocket with street tires and when I do some trail riding I swap over to the extra tires and rims with 52t sprocket. This maybe a hassle for some but the trail here no longer accessible because of idiots partying and leaving trash. So now I have to go to the next county over when I want to ride trails
Hello do u still have the sur ron if u do how's it going and what problem have u had with it ?
Hello I am really light I am around 65kg what sprocket would you recommend I want more torque but still don't wanna lose top speed
Love your videos Edwin, we are only 8 and 12 but the sur rons have givin us more confidence to try new things on 2 wheels 😬
Thanks Edwin, Great Video. I'll be upgrading to the 54T this week! Cheers.
It is a great size!
This snow test is great for me, being from new England. Thanks!
I’m definitely getting one 💯 these look amazing great fun😎 thanks for sharing
Jesus, finally the video I was looking for! Thanks
I can clearly see the difference between the stock form and 54t. Its a whole new bike. Man great video as always. Hope and praying to God that I win the sur ron 🙏 🙌 😞
I really hope the giveaway goes to someone who would really appreciate it like you! And I'm glad the difference showed in the video! I feel like if I would have seen a video like this I would have got the lower gearing a lot sooner
Sweet, the 54t is in the mail! 👍🏻💯
Okay, 38.5 mph is still hauling ass. Love your videos man.
And that was with the gear reduction. I've definitely broke 50 downhill
What an seasons video man, subscribed brother 👊
The trick to wheelies is sitting back on it and really hanging your weight. Thinking about keeping your arms straight will keep you from leaning forward. But you need to get good at covering the rear brake to do that, otherwise you'll loop out every time. This is at least what I figured out learning to wheelie my mountain bike.
Great video Edwin!!
I could visually tell the difference in this footage on that new 54T. Especially off road the bike looked more alive than it was stock. Nice battery improvement too. In warm weather that bike will see some good range.
It felt way better off road for sure I can't wait to do some more technical trail tests with it
Love your work! Thanks!
Thanks!
I just put my 54T on yesterday. Haven’t tested the range yet but I like the performance much better already. Debating ordering a 60T to try.
I could see myself making the switch too
If you do off-road trails you will notice you get more range for sure! I think in a perfect world I'd have a 54 tooth and a 65 tooth on a different bike!
@@GrindHardPlumbingCo Wait a min, is this comment from edwin too? or from ethan?
Might as well just get a Cake. Higher top speed, double the torque. 80T sprocket.
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At almost triple the price or a minimum of 10K..?
livin thru u bruh..thankx for the vids an info
Hey I truly do love making videos! Glad to hear you like them
My new Sur Ron is arriving tomorrow, along with a 60 T sprocket. The trail I ride is so rocky AND steep, besides needing the torque to make the grade, I also have to do it slowly. I may even go 64 T, loss of top speed is not an issue. Good info!
How fast u go on 64t
@@Ridindirty808 Haven't GPS'd it yet, don't really care, but eyeballing it....mid 30's best guess. That is with the 64 T I ended up getting, no regrets.
It’s so nice living in sandpoint. I think I saw you one time
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Glad you dig it! Thanks!
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Did you have to change or add more links on your chains or the stock chain work with the 54t sprocket?
I want 4 of these!
One for me, my 12yo Daughter, my Sister, & my Brother-in-law!!!
Yes! Seriously the best bike for kids
much needed comparison!!
up next : how to recalibrate your speedometer
I think the answer is buy a more accurate GPS one haha without GPS you can't account for tire slip
I'd be happy w/ the weakest base model of one of these if someone gave it to me at a decent price.... And when people upgrade the the bigger battery and the BAC8000 controller, do they swap out the motor too cause I'd love to have a motor like that in my electric pitbike.
I'm looking to hopefully pick one of these up next summer, appreciate the good info. You mentioned it, but yeah keep an eye out for photographers and fishermen on those creekside trails, especially early like that. I like the stealth factor of these bikes for sure, but we'll never hear you coming, haha. Keep it up!
Oh yeah I take a lap on the trail before I turn on the camera just to make sure. I'll try to bring as much info as I can to this channel.
You won't regret it I got mine about two weeks ago...I can't stay off of it...
are you still on track to get one?
@@thomas1x635 got two, no regrets
@@ss-gc9qq did you upgrade/mod any of them? have you ever run into any problems with them breaking down? thats the only thing that puts me off
I got a 64t to try. Got got the bike yesterday love it
The 64 tooth is amazing for climbing for sure I'd like to experiment with one soon as well
@@EdwinOlding will let you know gonna go out and ride and try it out in a few
@@EdwinOlding 64t is legit dude I love it, tried it out, tons of run especially for the stuff u like
The bike's speedometer is based on the motor rpm, so, theoretically, since the motor would spin the same speed with the different gearing, the speedometer would read the same.
I'm so glad somebody else understands this lol
I believe the speedo is connected to the motor controller and not to the wheel. That's why it was reading the same during the two speed runs. I'm curious to see what sprocket combo you go with on the new controller and battery.
That will be very interesting for sure! I kept the stock sprocket to do a top speed run but I still think I will want it geared down as mainly I'm doing steep trails
That's Hella fast; I have an 08 CRF250R with an Athena 280 big bore kit from the guy I got it from and THAT THING GOES 70
It's insane since it still has a bigass sprocket on the back --I don't remember how big anymore
Dang I've never ridden one with a Big Bore kit I bet that's got some nice low end torque!
wonder what could Sur Ron X black edition supper moto conversion do with this.
and how much could go luna edition 72V tuned with bigger battery as supper moto and belt drive.
The reason for the spedometer reading inaccuracy is probably becausethe speeding is read from the output of thoe motor, so the motor can still be spinning the same speed if the gearing is changed, its just the wheel isn't
Correct it’s rpm based
AWSOME video!!whats one cost & howlong charge last
They are pretty pricey, I think about 3 grand? From what I know they seem like a pretty good investment though.
I had put on the 64 tooth sprocket on my SR X and I was greatly disappointed. My range was almost cut in half and I did not notice too much extra torque. My top speed was around 35-37 mph. My weight is 230 lbs. and I had a non o ring chain on it. I just could not figure out why it was like that. Went back to my 48 tooth and I have been much happier with a top speed of 49-52 mph. Cheers.
What type of riding do you do
@@EdwinOlding 75 street and 25 off-road..I do a lot of hills.
Dumb question, but… do i absolutely need a new chain with a 54t ? Or can i bring the adjustement all the way to the front and make it fit? The bike is new, so is the chain, dont wana replace it for nothing
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Hey that is awesome! Glad you dig it!
This channel along with grind hard have inspired me so much
A two speed transmission might be a great benefit.
I’d be way heavier!
It would definitely help. I have a 20" fat bike with a 1500 watt output motor (sur-ron is around 5000 watts). It's going through an 8 speed with a 42t chain ring. My 1st gear is 36t only goes about 13 mph but climbs anything you'd ever want it to. My 8th gear is 11t and my top speed is 38mph just like his sur-ron after the gear swap.
@@justin169169 It sure helps, but it's heavier. The other solution is to throw more power at it!
@@MTO_Brothers maybe like 20lbs, power to weight on these is so good that much weight makes no difference really. I added 2 extra batteries on mine that are 10lbs each and it didn't make any noticeable reduction to performance. Might not be as fun to jump anymore though haha.
@@justin169169 honestly 8 have no idea how much a two speed transmission would weigh but it would be nice. bikes can have pinion transmission upto 18 gears, motorcycle have transmission too. ev's or road electric motorcycles dont need transmission except for the Taycan cause they have enough torque and motors that can rev high enough. but if you want to do serious off road a two speed transmission would help too. it should be possible to do a lightweight 2 speed transmission for the sur Ron , the motor torque is not so high, it is a high revving motor and its the gear reduction from the rear sprocket that gives high wheel torque. but in terms of weight/cost/performance improvement it will probably never beat increasing the controller output of the battery voltage, unless you really want to do trial/ hard Enduro at low speed and high speed riding on the road too. it would make sense if those transmission were mass produced and cheap enough, and also if motors were optimized for a narrower rpm range but more power/efficiency in this range.
Also shifting would not be a big concern because it would be 2 speeds anyway, and you could still do a lot of things without shifting. typically only requiring to shift when changing the type of terrain road/off road or when doing launches from 0 to top speed
Nice vid I love my surron and I want to start putting mods where did you get your new tires? Thanks
I’ve been trying out a lot of tires. So far the best all around (dry/packed/mud) has been the Maxxis Macross It. I’ve made a video about it some time ago czcams.com/video/303ckfy0f9c/video.html
Hello I am around 65kg very light but wouldn't mind even more torque but not loose really any top speed what sprocket would you recommend
How many miles of range can you achieve while averaging at 25-31 mph on flat road (commuting to the work, city) with the default sprocket that came with the bike?
According to the speedometer on the bike I would say about 35 MI to be safe but some people would tell you 40! You could easily fit the charger in a backpack so if you're using it to commute to work you could potentially charge it somewhere in about 2 hours. 3 hours if you completely drain the battery
That snow tho😍❤
that skate park looks fun
Just wow..I won't sell my street fighter but dayim this looks soo fun
It is a blast!
When are you going to fully build the bike?
Yooo Edwin, which action camera are you using for your riding shots? The low-light performance you get out of it always looks so crisp!
Go Pro hero 9. My first few videos were with the hero 7 but the hero 9 was well worth the extra money for the upgrade!
I shoot and super view with GoPro color
@@EdwinOlding thank you much my guy! I'm still running a Hero 6 right now as my buddy likes them for shooting his FPV footage - apparently the 6 works best with processing/stabilizing via ReelSteady - It's sooo unreal buttery smooth, I can't recommend it enough! We're finding though that the 6 definitely struggles in early morning conditions out in the backcountry so might have to upgrade to a 9 for first-person shots. Might be cool to add a camera/cinematography discussion channel to the Discord maybe? Thanks again and keep it rowdy boys! Yewww!
"So, let's cut the music.' Awesome, that is 'music' to my ears. There are too many videos with a deafening soundtrack drowning out any chance of hearing the narrative. Good vid, I have an XL1E on order with an optional 58-tooth sprocket and 112-link chain but it won't be shipped until May.
I gotta get regen on my '52 Roadmaster hill climber ev bike. Sur Ron should make an AWD version my budget bike motors climb almost as well no shocks. 32mph top speed.
Love the videos! Hows the suspension on it?
It is ok. Fine for mild jumps and trails but a little fatiguing on gnarly trails and at full compression I can bottom it out on every jump over 10 feet
And I weigh 175
@@EdwinOlding Just ordered one and I weigh 220 I’m interested in how it’ll do with that kind of weight especially on the mtb trails in Idaho
Have to change the chain or remove/add links for a 54T ??
You were able to change the sprocket and not have to change the length of the chain?
Do you need you motorbike license for these? Great video. Every new video you fo on these I want to get one more and more...
But right now they are so incredibly unregulated even if I got pulled over I don't think they could do anything
Out early getting it done, and it even looked COLD!!!
It was a very cold day but I was dedicated to the test!
Is there a Port/Accessibly to add a Portable Battery Pack in "A Pinch"?
What Voltage?
60v 31 ah and there is a company called lightspeed cycles that can make a backpack sized battery extender
I actually have one in the mail and a 72 volt battery for some extra power!
@@EdwinOlding how much did you pay for the 72v ?
good vide. did you adjust the chain length with 54t ?
Yes Had to extend the chain a bit
larger sprocket on the rear gives you more torque and less speed, smaller gear in the rear will increase speed and lower torque, as for power consumption the higher torque uses less horse power to propel the bike, going with a smaller gear will use more horse power to keep the bike in motion at the faster speed. the gear ratio plays a big part in balancing the power for speed vs the torque for climbing and starting from a dead stand still, as well as power consumption. some where between 48 teeth to 50 is probably the most in efficiency, dropping to a 46t or going up to a 50t might give an interesting result. any more than that may compromise electrical power efficiency.
Do I need a bigger chain or can I use the same 102 link?
Why not more then one rear chainring, and a strong derailer?
@edwin olding what size chain did you use with 54t
Speed is calculated by controller. It checks how many turnovers front sprocket makes. If you change size of wheel or sprocket, controller will show incorrect speed and odometer. More biggest one of them will increase speed on display, but in real you will move slowly.
Makes sense for sure I'll have to get a GPS Speedo for more serious comparison videos
Ohhh shit ! Ok makes sence
Can you pedal it like a normal pedal bike if you run out of battery? If so will it charge wile pedaling?
There is an optional pedal kit you can get for it for $150. I would probably turn regen off for pedaling as it would be working against you but I'm sure it would charge it a slight amount
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Wow you liked and replied to your own comment 😂😂
just realizing @@EdwinOlding's a separate channel 🙄
Awesome
Is the top speed with the safety wire cut?
Im getting a surron in couple weeks
How long dose it take to get delivered
is the top speed in mp/h or in km/h?
Wheres the best place t buy a sur ron? As far as price and shipping fast. Thank ypu.
alibaba..
Does the SurRon fit for tall riders? 195cm / 6 Feet, 4.7717 Inches
I know someone that tall who has one he just put on a bar riser and 3-in bars and it works out just fine. Some people also put on larger wheels and tires but the one thing you can't change is the wheelbase
Have a sur Ron is my dream
We are giving one away!
Can y'all fix the fisheye lens make it widescreen cuz it's obnoxious and makes us dizzy
CDA Area? I lived there for 15 years.
Nice bike
Thanks!
Have you seen the video of a guy shredding a sur ron on an mx track? Its pretty impresive
I'm not sure if I've seen that one I'll have to look it up
@@EdwinOlding search "sur Ron 13kw, happy track yuma az"
So whats the top speed of the bike in kilometers
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If Edwin rides his Sur Ron and mines crypto in his free time, what does Ethan do?
I put a 54 tooth sprocket on my 100% stock Sur Ron & what a difference, better torq , more power & it should of made it slower but no it’s still as fast or faster . 51 mph . On a gas bike it’s diff. Then elec. for some reason. Now that I know I want to go to a 58 now . I do a lot of steep hills & what a difference.
Link for the gloves ?
I really think a 50-52t would be the "sweet spot" compared to stock.
Every inch makes a difference as do teeth 😁
I'm a gearing/tire junkie for bikes and vehicles.
I think that would be a great all-around spot for general trail riding but even with the 54 tooth I could still use a little more low end climbing hills. I've heard of people going all the way up past 80
I tried 52 tooth . I wouldn’t go any higher as I only get 40mph , I want speed and torque
@@ptescreen18 do you get a bigger jump in torque?
I'm around 65kg what would be best for me I'm into top speed and torque
Hey check out jack cecil on youtube. He has a sur Ron x with belt drive and modded battery and controller and if I'm not mistaken his sur Ron has hit 70 to 80 mph.
What works for a road bike like Jack’s isn’t always replicable for off road (main belt wouldn’t resist mud for instance). And too much power is uncontrollable for enduro. But sure a controller widens possibilities!
How much do you weigh?
I just put on my 54t and i feel almost zero improvement - not worth losing the top speed. Only getting 37mph - 😞
What chain size do you need for the 54?
110
I can put this 54T sprocket using the stock chain?
Yes you just need to add a few links
@@EdwinOlding ok. So now. 54, 58, or 64? Lol
Why would the app tell you what percentage of your speed is off? How would the app possibly know that?
If youre using GPS youre not really accurate at all
Did you cut the green wire or just complete stock
Cut the wire
@@EdwinOlding OK thx
@@EdwinOlding how fast does it go with no wire cut
@@obey-sc4fw 25 MPH
Is the bike stock other then the gearing obviously
Yes the gearing was the only thing I messed with and a different tire that weighed a few pounds more than the stock tire
The computer is calibrated to the stock sprocket, so the reading will be extremely off when testing the 54T.
49 is hauling ass on a bike, that is just crazy fast.
Yeah it feels way faster than doing 49 on a full size dirt bike for sure
Possible two or more per tire
Sick bike that fast for a bike would you need a bike license for that
If you installed a system that could swap sprockets mid run you could technically have the best of both.
That’s called a gearbox 😝
Don't knock yourself so much about riding in the winter.
Best time to be on the trail when there is no one else around.
True!
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Just put a 64 tooth on mine :)
Dang how are you getting up to 49 MPH on a stock Sur Ron X ?? My top speed is 31 MPH on mine but I do weigh more than you but still should be able to hit 40 at least ??? Weird...
Update... Found the green wire and clipped it . Got up to 48 mph today . Just what I was was wanting in extra power !!! 🙌🏼 🙌🏼
54t all the way. Torque is better than top speed. A dirt bike with a piston is what you need if you want speed