1990: Brown vs. Grimson
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Classy, articulate, humble.
Stu is one of a kind .
Sir, you have my utmost respect.
you right a total craze nut job ,but off the ice a class act,most of the goons ,of NHl are just great guys off the ice ,
Ll
He describes the fight in such a gentleman’s manner.
Well he’s a lawyer so.....😆
He is truly one of the nicest kindest people you'll ever meet. My kid still talks about meeting him when we lived in Connecticut.
@@andypeters6694 I watched both these games as a teenager growing up in Calgary. Total high and total low. We thought we had the man to finally and continually kick the S out of the Oilers goons. And then.....bamm.....he was gone.
This was by far my favorite era of Hockey. Stu Grimson, Bob Probert, Craig Berube, Joey Kocur, Dave Brown, Marty McSorely! Loved every bit of it!
Don't forget Jay Miller
@@edwards.6857 Scrappy but not one of the elites.I still don't agree he beat Probert with his pillow hands
@@bobprobert353 I think you mean John Kordic. He bloodied Brown and pounded Berube into oblivion,with many others.He would also would fight anyone of them to the death.
Chris Nilan and Rick Tocchet
Don't forget wendel Clark
I could listen to his stories all day. Class guy.
Can you imagine. I love his chuckle at the end. Dave brown was tough and mean.
Dave Brown definitely had a authentic mean streak.
Loll Grimson talks about fighting as if he's some doctor or philosopher hahha even throws in Charles Dickens ! Never would have pictured him like that
Stu has a few degrees including a law one. I was first surprised when he came to Detroit and Mickey Redmond had his first interview with Stu.
Life long Hawk fan. Had season tickets to the old building for manymany years. Thank you for the great hockey. Good luck and god bless.
I've read both Stu's book and the Tie Domi book and there's a world of difference. Domi's book comes off as if it was ghosted by another author while Stu's is an honest account of his career. I found it interesting that he says that he thought he could have been a big forward on the order of Phil Esposito and might have become more of a scorer than a fighter but, ultimately, he did what he had to do make it in the NHL. But, my favorite part is when he speaks of being in high school and he and 2 friends were getting a hard time from 3 oilfield workers as Stu and friends were wearing their letter jackets. Stu laid out the one with 1 punch. Amazing that a high school kid KOs an oilfield worker. He's a lawyer now and IMO, he looks more like the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. He's a humble and class act all the way. May God bless you, MR. Grimson.
Being from Edmonton, Calgary games were always exciting! I remember both fights. Stu DEFINITELY got the best of Brown in the first match. The second one had a different outcome. Brown definitely came to make a point. It's absolutely terrifying to see the end result when you poke the wrong bear! Grimson is a true gentleman recounting the events, total respect!
Man, I’m just discovering these now. Stu, let’s hear some more.
WOW, so articulate in talking about his fights with dave brown. Charles Dickens was a bonus....
I met Stu in Connecticut when he was with the Whalers...one of the kindest people you'll ever meet. Hockey's Merlin Olson.
My all-time fave, I have all of Grimson's jerseys, books about him. Even after he left my beloved Hawks I followed him. I still need to read his new book, though.
Such an interesting fellow that Stu Grimson, a true pleasure to listen to and I'm looking forward to reading the book. Brown is an interesting character as well, someone I'd like to hear more from. Of all the real tough guys, Brown certainly seems to be the most reserved. I think I've seen one or two interviews with him in 30 years.
The over / under for Brown vs. Grimson on the Mensa Meter is
in the 55 - 60 range .
The best hair in the NHL belongs to the Grim Reaper
Dave Brown is The True Heavyweight Champion of NHL for a very very Long time
Pure class act
Belmont grad, fighting one of the flyers best. You are the man.
How about a Grim Reaper podcast, Stu? Your story-telling is on point sir. Loved this recap.
Excellent feedback! I do remember that first fight between both men. Dave Brown was indeed a heavy hitter.
Of all the NHL enforcers past and present, leave it to Stu Grimson to quote Charles Dickens!
Thank you for the memories, really enjoyed watching you (fight) play.
Great story and much respect Stu. Loved Brown as a Fighter
Yes indeed Dave Brown was a badass. 🙏
Stu,
I enjoyed your book immensely and passed it on to another family member who also loved it. Well done.
Had the pleasure of watching you play for the Hawks and then here in my home town for the Wings. If Scotty Bowman has a tough guy on his bench it pretty much tells you toughness has its place in hockey. Brown and Probert having to go up against those two night after night along with everyone else...tough job. I'm gonna look for your book, I picked up the Probert book "Tough Guy" looking forward to yours. By the way...nice Commercials you stared in awhile back..with the kid.
Greetings from Finland Stu! Just finished reading your book, it was very entertaining, one of my favorite stories was the Dave Manson vs Mike Keenan "almost fight", haha!
Dave was one of the best. Great story. Thanks for sharing
I wish we could see a video of you and Brown together, talking about this feud, Stu!!!!
Just wanna give props to STUUUU!!! For his tour of duty with the Wings.you never disappointed thanks for the blood.and sweat.
Dave Brown was the only fighter where you almost had to look away
Search on Google - George Laraque the only fight I ran away 🏃♂️
I was very young but I watched Grimson play for the Regina Pats, how time flys
I live back in the UK now, but used to go to all the Pats games 78-82.
@@23macca23 wow , my dad took me to about 50% of the games from 79-80 to 83-84 maybe, I’m guessing you remember guys like Doug Wickenhieser ( RIP) and Bart Hunter and Ron Flockhart to name a few 👍🏽
@@KelvinBurns69 Yes, plus Darren Veitch and Mike Blaisdell who came and coached here in the UK league with Nottingham. I was gutted when we didn’t make the memorial cup final held in Regina in 1980. An ex-Pat Gerad Adams coached my local team here Cardiff Devils for a number of years 2005-12.
@@23macca23 lol I remember the Memorial Cup, as a 10 year old I could not understand why the caps had written on it “ Coupe Memorial Cup lol, someone told me Coupe meant cup in French lol ( I didn’t know anything lol)
What a beauty!
It amazes me that so many of these guys were so kind off the ice really good people that should have played more theh they fought especially probert and grimson
Mr. Grimson, I picked up your book the week it came out. Absolutely a fantastic read. I read it in two days. I grew up in Philadelphia but live out here in LA now. I watched the later half of the Broad Street teams into the Dave Brown era and beyond. For those who are looking for a great honest book about a life in the NHL, please look no further. Great stories and insight behind the scenes. The highest compliment I could say is that I wish you had played for the Flyers. Please post if you do a book signing in the LA area anytime soon.
Thanks so much for the kind words! So glad you enjoyed the book.
@I am thee thee He said no one ever hit him harder than Dave Brown did on January the 9th, 1990, not even Probie!!!!! Brown broke his orbital bone in different places with not just one, but two separate punches!!!!!! No wonder the first thing Brownie did after that fight was look at his hand to see if it was still attached to his wrist.
@I am thee thee Makes me wonder who hit harder out of Brown and Kocur!!!! Maybe Stu says at some point later in his book!!!!! I'm only up to page 90!!!!! No wonder Brown and Kocur had something of a non-aggression pact between them in the NHL!!!!! They probably didn't want to be on the receiving end of each others punches!!!!!
As an older fight fan,I've seen ALL OF THE OLDER GUYS,and almost to a man,the real heavyweights always speak kindly of the other tough guys whose heads they were trying to rip off in their playing days....Basically good guys that just happened to be able to throw hands also.......MISS THOSE DAYS...
Total respect for this guy.. smart good fighter and doesn't showboat after his many wins.
I heard (Didn't know who-) in a radio interview. I was ROCKED to find out later that this cheery guy was Stu!
Bob Probert is the GOAT.
I have a line-up card from a 1990's Kings game where Stu is the featured player on the card pinned to my garage wall. (Kings/Stars I think?) Always a great mind and a wonderful soul, thank you Mr. Grimson for all the great memories!
Very smart man, did what he had to do to play in the NHL.
Still got my red wings #32 Grimson jersey in my closet. I remember vividly wearing it back in the mid 90s when he played here and going w a girl to a bar. She didn't know hockey and when we walked in the sports bar she said u shouldn't have worn that. I'm like why? She's says everyone is booing you. I said their not booing they are saying Stuuuuuuu. Good stuff
Very honest of Stu. That's a real man.
Thanks for sharing that in a frank and straight forward way. NHL fighters are courageous and are not even close to being fairly compensated. All Stanley Cup Champion have at least one enforcer. And in the locker room they are usually the most loved. Teammates are grateful they don’t have to do it. Bare knuckle heavy weight fights seem like fun and fans find amusing, but it’s dangerous, short and long term. Thanks Stu.
I'm only a second into this video, AND I ALREADY WANT THIS BOOK!!!!!!! Did you ever read Bob Probert's Tough Guy book, Stu????
I seen one of Brownie’s jersey from his time in Edmonton and the left sleeve looked like it was for a child. So short and tight. No wonder you couldn’t grab it. Loved your book. Hope you’re doing well.
THIS GUY IS STILL GOOD LOOKING AND INTELLIGENT. WELL SPOKEN. BROWN CRUSHED HIS FACE? NEVER KNEW ABOUT THAT!👊🏒👊
Warriors. You got to love those guys
That laugh at the end brings me chills, miss the grim reaper. Tough way to had made a living.
Such a great story and stu seems like smart guy
Great story
Bad ass , wish the players today had half the grit and toughness that the players back then did
He is such an articulate gentleman.
Wow great story from the Grimreaper.I didn't know he had beat brown.That was a big deal!
This
Is Awesome🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Stu is a solid guy
The Grim Reaper....just saying the name brings me right back as young teenager during the best era in hockey
"their was no cut there, their was no blood there" there also was no cheek and orbital bone there as well. Hats off to Brownie and The Reaper.
At the end of the day, it was their job, off the ice the vast majority of these tough guys are the nicest people you'd ever want to know! On the ice, naaa!
Man that must of suck Stu. As an Oiler fan, I like the role the enforcers played, but hearing of those injuries does sorta bother me. But I’m glad it worked out for you, and your doing well in you’re new profession studying and practicing law.
Even though you're most widely regarded for your fighting Stu, one of the things that most impressed me that you did was the time you restrained Mike Keenan on the ice when he was going mad, and trying to fight the other team's coach, or someone else I'm not sure of!!!! It's nice to know frequent fighters will sometimes try to prevent fights between others!!!! :D
I think Keenan was after an off-ice official who didn't turn on the red light before the 3rd period expired when the Hawks would have tied up a game against the Bruins. And the puck was in the net with over 2 seconds to go on the clock too. No replay in those days unfortunately.
Brave man.
Hes like I have to fight him again and then a few minutes later yeah no.
Stu Grimson:
“Known by the handle 'Dave Brown And His Fists Of Renown', Brownie had a left hand like a thunderclap. This was an era when most heavyweights could beat every other heavyweight on any given night. But nobody, not even Bob Probert, was more feared than Brownie. Fans seemed to view Probert as the heavyweight champ, but anyone who fought both of them would tell you that Brownie hit much harder than Probert. Night and day harder. When Brownie landed a punch, it was like being kicked by a mule. That left! There is nothing you can do to acquire a left hand that hits that hard. You simply have it or you don't. And Brown had it in spades."
Another quote: "Dave Brown, to me, was the toughest, baddest, meanest man on the planet."
Love the Grim Reaper.
Tough guy, no doubt.
But Brownie is Top 5 all-time...
THE ONLY PRO JERSEY I'VE EVER BOUGHT ALL PRO SPORTS WAS # 21 DAVE BROWN PHILADELPHIA FLYERS. DAVE COULDN'T SKATE WELL COULDN'T SHOOT WELL.COULDN'T SCORE WELL BUT MAN COULD HE FIGHT. AND MADE THE REST OF THE PLAYERS ON THE ICE PLAY WITH A BIGGER SET OF BALLS. I LOVED IT.. AND I MET HIM. FOR BEING SUCH A BAD ASS HE WAS A REALLY NICE GUY TO TALK TO REAL GENTLEMAN . I TOLD HIM ABOUT THE JERSEY HE JUST SMILED AND THANKED ME.... NOW I CAN'T WATCH THE SPORT. THE CHEAP SHOTS THE DIVES.. RIP NHL IT WAS GREAT !!!!!! NHL= NO HIT LEAGUE
He always looked like such a badass in those #21 Philly jerseys.
Grim reaper was a legend!
I want to meet this guy.
He looks like a JC Penney model LOL very gentlemanly and well-spoken, you would never know that he was one of the baddest motherfukers ever to hit the ice by looking at him now
He's got movie star hair; good for him.
You should've done the vulcan nerve pinch on him, Spock!!!!
Hockey players.......guy gets his face literally smashed in and then quietly serves a five minute major.
Love you Stu. His autobiography is badass. As good as Paul Stanley’s
Does Stu Grimson look like he could be a well groomed, short haired Steven Tyler from Aerosmith?
Respect to you for what you did in and for the NHL. From Buffalo NY.
Gotta love ya Stu. Moral of the story, dont Fk with DBrownie
I'm gonna be getting your book for my birthday on May 27th. :D Your birthday's in May too, isn't it????/ Along with Steve Yzerman's?????/
Grim Reaper!!
Glad the grim reaper is here to tell the tales of the baddest men to play hockey
he didnt clocked him at the end, that fight was a draw and then brown beat him so bad grimson went in the minors.
Was that before or after he was a Blackhawk?
Not your typical goon. Looks like he just stepped out of a Cialis commercial.
Wow
Good lord...what a day job!
STU GRIMSON LOCKED HORNS WITH THE BADDEST MEANEST MAN ON THE PLANET. THE NHL HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMP DAVE BROWN....
It's the hard truth. Dave Brown is the baddest of them all.
Stu Grimson wrote in his book 📖 Brown was the most feared fighter in the NHL. Brown was voted the most feared fighter by the NHL enforcers in the first edition of Tough guys Magazine. Search on Google : George Laraque the only fight I ran away. Search on CZcams - Gino Odjick interview with Michael Landsberg off the record. Bob Probert was once interviewed live on television on Michael Landsberg off the record. Michael Landsberg asked Probert, who is the toughest guy you ever fought. Probert answered Dave Brown. Bob paused a bit and named Stu Grimson as the runner-up . Michael Landsberg responded " So those guys were really tough " Probert also mentioned that Tie Domi was tough for his size. Michael Landsberg asked Probert, did you ever feel sorry for a guy you beat. Probert answered Bob McGill I took him out for beers after the game. Reason was Probert felt sorry for McGill because Bob knocked him down twice. Michael Landsberg asked Probert who is the toughest guy in the NHL presently. Probert answered George Laraque. Search on CZcams - John Scott Dropping the gloves Rob Ray vs Dave Brown. Search on Google - Philadelphia Flyers top 10 fighters in franchise history. Search on Google - The Dave Brown effect from the hockeywriters.com. Interesting reads and info on the scariest fighter that dropped the gloves.
The true facts that all the die hard Probert fans don't know... Dave Brown was the champ 1985 1986 into 1987. Probert was a co champ with Dave Brown during the latter 1987-1988 season, the 1988 portion. Probert then began to slide in the number of games played during the 1989-1990 season with only 25 games played. Probert fell off the radar with only 4 NHL games played during the 1989-1990 season. Joe Kocur was ranked no 2 behind Dave Brown. Bob Probert was behind bars in a Minnesota state prison for 3 months and 3 more months in a halfway house as the jail bird chump! Probert slumped out of the NHL because of a drug addiction issue. He only played 29 NHL games in 2 years. He was no champ 😂 Dave Brown was the undisputed heavyweight champ of the NHL 1989 1990 as the toughest most feared and destructive fighter to drop the gloves in the NHL. Search on Google - Philadelphia Flyers top 10 fighters in franchise history. Search on Google - The Dave Brown effect from the hockeywriters.com. Search and pay attention to what ex pro hockey enforcer Stu Grimson is telling us all. Grimson was an enforcer that knew what tgecrest of tge league already knew. DAVE BROWN THE CHAMPION OF THE NHL. HE ALSO WAS THE MOST FEARED AND DESTRUCTIVE FIGHTER. Bob Probert the suspended NHL player and criminal returned to the NHL on March 22, 1990 . Probert won a fight round 2 on January 9, 1991 vs Brown. Probert was the new champion until April 2, 1994 when Sandy McCarthy dethroned Probert the jumper headbutting ram 🐏. Sandy McCarthy was the number 1 fighter on tge fight cards 1993-1994 1994- 1995 seasons. Bob Probert continued on his long career still as a top 10 ranked fighter on the yearly fight stats almost until he retired. Impressive run even at an older age in Chicago. His prime was perhaps the longest . Donald Brashear was also similar in this comparison.
Quotes Charles Dickens...
Eloquent warrior
The Grim Reaper. Always found it kind of weird that he earned that moniker since he is known to be a Christian. Stu was a tough guy and this interview has piqued my interest in his book. I think I will pick it up.
Probably because of his name, Grimson!!! I always thought it looked incredibly badass that time he bloodied Ryan Vanderbussche (I probably spelt that wrong), and Grimson's name on the back of his jersey had Ryan's blood splattered all over it!!!! Even Probie (Ryan's teammate at the time) warned him that Stu would be out for his head after their first fight.
Good Guy
Yup, and he definitely knew who the NHL heavyweight champ Dave Brown was , the NHL knew it buddy...
@@mirandasalinas9412 Probert was champ, Brown was good, jump artist, but not champ
@kravitz1999 Do I have to teach you basics 101 hockey fights history again 🤔 Dave Brown was the champ 1985 1986 into 1987. Probert was a co champ with Dave Brown during the latter 1987-1988 season, the 1988 portion. Probert only played 25 games NHL games during the 1988-1989 season. Bob fell off the radar with only 4 NHL games played during the 1989-1990 season. Dave Brown never slipped out of the number 1 seed. Joe Kocur was ranked no 2 behind Brown. Probert was ranked behind BARS IN A MINNESOTA STATE PRISON FOR 3 MONTHS AND 3 MORE MONTHS IN A HALFWAY HOUSE AS THE JAIL BIRD CHUMP! 😂 Brown vs Grimson round 2 was on January 91990. Brown was the undisputed heavyweight champ of the NHL 1989 1990. Probert was in jail when Brown and Grimson fought. Are you comprehending fella 🤔. Dave Brown was tge ultimate warrior 1985 too Jan 9, 1991. Search on Google - Philadelphia Flyers top 10 fighters in franchise history. Search on Google - The Dave Brown effect from the hockeywriters.com. Dave Brown was acquired by tge Oilers in February 1989 as tge toughest guy in the NHL. During a televised news conference, Oilers head coach and general manager stated that his team was getting pushed around too much . Glen Sather said Brown was the " best in the business " Stu Grimson is a former pro hockey player who comes out on this video and tells the world what tge NHL enforcers all knew. Brown was the champion of tge NHL. The baddest meanest man on the planet! Stu Grimson fought Probert 13 times. Grimson fought Brown a couple times and shattered this poor man's face to bits. Wake up and put down the bong!
It's crazy cool weird jus looking at Stu grimson and just looking at him and believing that you could destroy him in a fight. And not knowing that this guy is all about fisticuffs 🤣😂👌👊
Ey, Stu!!!! Imagine if the love of your life had been called Susan!!!!! Then when she married you, people could've called her SUE GRIMSON!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!
Mr Grimson great read I disagree with your version of the first fight. Then to make excuses about not feeling well and having a sore hand for the beating shame on you. Being someone that played junior hockey aches pains and sickness are part of the game and you know that full well. You were a good fighter but never in Dave browns league and thats not a knock on you as not many guys in history have been.
He beat browns ass and didn't have to resort to resewn sleeves sprayed with silicone..Brown was a piece of shit never honored the code
Stu I met you about 8 years ago when you were in New York for the World Fire and Police games!
I asked you about being signed by the Rangers and you were more than willing to talk about your career. Would have liked to have had a few more minutes with you but they were pulling you away for an appearance or something.
There were some real “celebrities” in your group also who everyone was ogling over and I shot passed them and came for you!
KoivuTheHab lol!
KoivuTheHab Ok - thought you were breaking my balls. And deservedly so. Yea he was awesome.
Ive had the pleasure of meeting a bunch of enforcers over the years and they were all good guys. They were shocked I knew who they were, greeting them instead of a star player who everyone else was going up to.
Ive been a hockey fight fan since the early 90’s so to me these guys are the best
KoivuTheHab Im a big Ranger fan so Joe Kocur is my favorite player and fighter. Tie Domi too and Im still furious the Rangers traded him.
Its funny you say through the service industry, before I became a NYC Firefighter I had many jobs, including valet parking and a bouncer right near the Nassau Coliseum.
I met Craig Berube and told him I appreciated what he brought to the game. He appreciated it but I think he was sizing me up to fight! Lol
I also met Eric Cairns, Darren Langdon, and others.
Actually if I remember correctly when I was about 8 or 9 years old a bunch of the islanders did an appearance at a small amusement center in Lynbrook NY, and I had none other than Mick Vukota driving me in a bumper car!
I told him I was a Ranger fan and he was pissed!
KoivuTheHab I was not on the job yet. But I had just graduated basic training in the Army. I went down to the pile and spent a couple days working on it.
Stu, when you became a born again Christian, did you ever find it hard to make yourself fight other enforcers, and fulfil your role as an enforcer yourself??? I mean me, I feel like I've had to stop debating online in order to become a better Christian, and sometimes when I insult people online who aren't even present and likely won't ever see it, like celebrities for instance, I still find myself feeling guilty and praying for forgiveness!!!!! I imagine it'd feel near enough impossible for an OCD victim like me if I'd been an NHL enforcer, and had to embark on a workout regimen over a period of years, specifically for the purpose of becoming a stronger, more effective fighter in order to beat people up!!!!!! Not that I'm trying to call you a bad Christian or anything, I'm just wondering how you might've dealt with thoughts like that whilst at the same time, doing your best to keep your head in the game?
Geez, what a way to make a living.
1:28 How do you force yourself to hit someone or something so hard with your fist, knowing it'll hurt and damage your own hand in the process? :O Enforcers like you seem like a different breed of human being in my eyes!!!!!! I also love how you always promoted Jesus and Christianity so much!! :D I used to debate against atheists here on youtube!!!! Sometimes I saw myself as being like an NHL enforcer in a way, except I did my fighting with words and insults, rather than with my little girly fists!!!!! Y'see, when I used to have fights at high school, I'd be pretty much crying after like, one or two punches to the nose. :(
Two heavy weights
"Laid out" please, he fell backwards....Dave brown destroyed you it wasn't even close.
2 titanium plates and 7 screws know that
Was this guy on LA Law?
Dave Brown was no Bob Probert
True, Brown was the NHL heavyweight champ at this time frame on Jan 9,1990. Probert was in jail in a Minnesota state prison for 3 months and 3 more months in a halfway house. Brown was an active respected NHL player enforcer. Probert was a convicted criminal, a suspended NHL player who had a serious drug and alcohol problem. Brown was the NHL heavyweight champ Probert was the Jail cell prison chump... Yup, Brown was no Probert for sure...
I remember when brown busted his face in calgary