Thoughts On Quitting Magic: The Gathering - My MTG Memory about leaving the game
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My first year of marriage, my wife and I came upon some financial hard times. I pulled out my collection, of which I hadn't touched in about 4 years other than to pack them up to move, and went through saw I had some serious money in the cards. I started contacting buyers and got one deal in the works.
I felt my wife's hand on my shoulder. She said "You're crying, don't sell those".
I called the buyer and explained that I couldn't bring myself to sell the cards. He laughed and said it happens all the time and also said "Welcome back".
It took a few years, but about a month ago I got the collection out again and started deck building. I'm playing again. And my wife said to me "Aren't you happy I didn't let you sell those?". I married a keeper!
I love happy endings lol, I'd feel the same way about my collection I've built such a good bond with a lot of my friends over cardboard Crack and I could never see myself giving up those memories
That's amazing.. People like that be praised. She saw past the physical cardboard and into the connections that you had with them even if they might have been nothing special to her. Happy for you man :)
That was gad dang beautiful...
Wife her again
Courtney Yaple good pun
This guy is the best thing to happen to MTG in the last decade. Any niche hobby would love to have a person like this as a champion of the game and content creator
I quit 8 years ago, I was 15 and started high school, no one else among my peers played MTG anymore and the local gamestore got torn down. None of my friends retained their interest and I had no one left to play with. I stored all my cards into a wooden treasure box I made myself and stored it away, the last booster I ever bought was from Time Spiral. And now, just a month ago, I was cleaning my stuff and found the box, all cards still inside, at mint or near mint condition, most of them, were from the Ravnica series, and now I play again.
👍
Not quitting MTG, but quitting standard. Hello EDH.
EDH saves you so much money in the long run. You build a deck and it's playable forever as long as a card in it doesn't get banned lol
Welcome
I've never played EDH I'm kinda scared to😂
I never played standard went straight to modern
I had a Niv Mizzet commander deck. I love Izzet and love playing instants to do things. But Niv Mizzet was too slow to bring out and I'd often die before I can even do anything. But just recently I changed commanders to Adeliz? A flying with haste that cost 3 Mana. I brought it out on turn two and started hitting my opponents right away. This was more my speed of playing. I need to focus
Holy shit prof, have you ever considered narrating audio books? You are brilliant at telling stories.
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Infinite Bladez I would freaking buy all of them
Infinite Bladez I wouldn't even care what book. I just want to listen to this guy during my.lame art class where we can listen to music and whatever.
Yeah you are right. He definitely sounds good. Maybe some MTG Lore.
Thanks for re-igniting the spark in my passion for this game. I have come very close to giving all my cards away but your enthusiastic videos have fascinated me, together with the fact that I've just moved in to University and a flat mate of mine happens to play Magic, so we now have a game once in a while. I have stuffed hundreds of cards in a big old dusty box at home where I will be returning to in four years after I complete my degree, I cannot wait for that moment! It will be, as you so eloquently described, "like uncorking a bottle of time"! Man, I love nostalgia.
+the12lookslikeyou My absolute pleasure!
+Tolarian Community College What format do you play
Did you return?
Wow! What a great video. So many parallels with my experience. Started on Revised -> 4th Edition. Hated Fallen Empires, loved Ice Age. I was like your friend, I kept my cards. When I 'quit', it was not a hard stop. The group of friends that I played with slowly disbanded due to life, jobs, moves etc. So slowly over time the frequency that I played Magic dwindled until it became not at all, for many, many years. About a week or so ago I found myself looking through my cards and thought it was time. Time to teach my 12 year old daughter how to play. I found my Ice Age starter decks, I bought an entire box of 10. 6 of them were still in plastic. I opened them all ... :) (I was never one to care much about value in $$ terms. To me the value is in playing with them). I built 2 very simple decks and taught my little girl how to play on a Friday evening. She picked up the basics rather fast and we enjoyed a weekend of MTG together. Christmas will bring some Origins cards into our collection. I can't wait to see her start learning more advanced concepts and techniques. I really am looking forward to helping her build her own deck, for me this is the most fun. Building a deck from scratch and then winning with it. Cheers Professor and thanks!!
best thing I ever did was quit standard. commander is where its at now.
jaron Ward depends on your EDH play group.
At my LGS they all go for a Turn 4 wins.
If I wanted that kind of game I would play Modern.
Argeaux2 where I play we have roughly 4 to 5 different decks edh. I have slivers, which is okay, play against gitrog, omnath mana dude, purphoros, elesh norn, omnath elemental, and zur the enchanter. Very rarely does a commander game go past turn 5. I stopped playing them. Just play with local friends. I always thought commander was casual. Also I've only been playing for about 6 months so I'm sure those decks aren't as good as I think.
This is how I used to feel, except now I've quit Commander for Pauper.
Amen
You are the man I love you
I almost shed a tear over this video :'(
One Broke Negro The feels man, the feels. Just started playing again this month after 14 years away from the game, it's just so different, as if magic has turned into some weird Japanese anime
One Broke Negro I did
Same here, really honest video.
i crai evry tim
Best video I have seen in a long time
Ever since I quit standard, I've been enjoying the game so much more!
Ever since I quit standard 3 months ago I've built 2 legacy decks and 4 modern decks out of the money from my standard cards
I play vintage now, standard sucks
I have decks in every format now, except for standard.
Dsitt7 Vintage Burn can be built for around 25-40 bucks... Modern decks that are on the cusp of Tier 1.5 can be brewed around 35-45 (without crazy land)... Just saying that fun should never come at a price tag.
Also, Goblins. Goblins in EVERY FORMAT.
Dsitt7 I can't exactly 'quit' standard because that's pretty much the only 60 card format that gets played at my LGS (sometimes there's modern), but I just build one budget standard deck and stick with it until rotation.
I absolutely love hearing a sophisticated MAN talk about a game, that to my friends is only "kid's play"
My dude, I know 60-year-old men who play this game.
I'm 50 I play
Josephus Mutzenbacher dude I know a 45 yrs old man play magic every Friday night even every day with his magic friends
Sophisticated. lol
Its so freaking sophisticated that I cant see someone less than 14 years old play in general
And no im not like "anti young peoples", im actually 21 myself.
I wish I had seen this video half a year ago, I sold my collection of 17 years thinking I was going to do something I ended up not doing. I started collecting when I was 8! I didn't even learn to play until I was 12-13. I sold my entire history with the game, all those random cards from tempest urza's block, to when I learned to really play in onslaught, to when I worked at a card shop around scars of mirrodin. Every deck I owned and all of my deck staples. My whole 5k of commons an lands and nearly 20 deck and 2 newer commander decks. I feel sick thinking about it sometimes. But I started again by buying some pauper decks on mtgo and a set of shocklands and fetch lands for modern. Hopefully I will have a new collection sometime soon and I will definitely hang onto this one. If I ever leave the game again, I'll hand it over to a friend, so I can revisit my past if I need to.
or just keep it in a box, why give it to a friend?? are u incapable of holding something down ur self??? u remind me of a old friend of mine everytime he would stop playing this video game he would drop all his items on it, then come back years later and be like I wont do that again and just keeps on doing it
add me on mtgo @DRAINTHESWAMP
*Your videos have made me start playing Magic for the first time ever! I’m already deck building and hoping to attend some events soon. Thanks!*
This one hit me pretty hard. The part about leaving behind certain cards not only for money value but because they are important shards of cardboard that you've held and had good times with and loved. Nearly my entire collection was stolen and since it's been hard to get back into it. I have decks to play with but every time I look at cards it just makes me sick to think about all that I've lost.
So I guess the question is how do you come back from that? I lost all of my commander stuff, legacy stuff, many of my modern staples that I was saving up. Difficult to have the drive when you lose that much.
DCAMM720 Come on man I know it's really sad that your stuff got stolen but:#1 : Buidl budget decks and slowly build your collection again
#2 : PLAY DRAFT(cheapest format ever and pretty much the most fun)
#3 : Build a cube form your remaining cards and make events at your house for idk 2 dollars and keep the money from the cube events that you make so you can buy your cards back
#4 : If you have any suspissions of who stole your cards tell that to the police(I'm speaking seriously WHAT THYE DID IS STEALING AND THEY NEED TO BE PUNISHED FOR IT THEY SHOULD BE PUISHED EVEN IF IT'S CARDBOARD THAT THEY STOLE IT'S YOUR FCKIN CARDBOARD AND IT HAD A FCKIN CONNECTION WITH YOU THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHTS TO STEAL IT FROM YOU!!! sorry for my rant I'm just really really angry by what I read.Heads up man!Even if you quit magic just remember all the good memories you with it.
Thanks for both of those comments. I got mine stolen out of my car. Someone busted out my window and just took everything. Again I still have decks to play with and I play modern so I do have 2 decks I can still play with but the things in the binders were solid foils. Legacy/modern staples mostly with a section for commander staples. It hurts so I'm taking a break as of now.
Local shops don't really play modern except one so I'm gonna go see if I still feel like playing. I can't even bring myself to finish one of my decks because I feel like it's pointless. I hate thieves.
DCAMM720 We all do we all do
JakesFavorites
...wut?
JakesFavorites Lol nah. This was at a convention in Seattle recently. Worst part about it is I suspect the cars that got broken into were done by the event workers. Can't prove that obviously but without putting the long story here, seems as if they did it. Sigh
I had a mono blue aggro
One of the really fast ones with Thassa and Master of Waves
I had extras of all the cards because i went out, won an fnm with it then traded whatever i won for foils or promos. Even had foil full arts.
I had that deck twice
It was my first deck id ever gotten to that point, but when it rotated i sold the whole thing...
300 dollars...
I had put a little over 15 hundred into it.
I regret it more than a lot of things. I loved that deck and loved playing it.
Hell, even thought it loved me.
Always gave me good draws, pulled everything i needed the moment i needed it.
And i sold it for 1 fifth it's worth in cash, and zero times its worth in emotional value.
I betrayed it and my cards. My beautiful land and my beautiful Foil thassa's. My promo Judge's Familiar's and nightveil specters, custom art frostburn weirds, tidebinder mages and Master of waves.
I betrayed them all for 300 dollars
I first started playing Magic during Kamigawa, really got into it during OG Ravnica. After Time Spiral, I was getting a bit older, hitting that point in middle school where everybody was trying to be really cool. I sold almost everything I had at the time in a garage sale for far too little because Magic was "for lame nerds". After Zendikar came out, I got back into it sort of, but at the time all my older friends where starting to get jobs and eventually bought a bunch of Rise of the Eldrazi stuff and had all these crazy huge creatures I couldn't beat. I quit again because I couldn't keep up. I played on and off but didn't really buy much product. Then, around when Innistrad came out, I started missing Magic a lot. More and more of my friends were getting into it. Then I got a job and a month later RtR came out it was a huge nostalgia trip for me. "Holy shit, Ravnica!" I exclaimed, "I remember that place, it was awesome!" My friend and I split the Izzet vs Golgari deck, and I got the Izzet intro deck later. Then later, I started buying cards of my own. Shortly before Theros I started playing Standard. And around when Born of the Gods came out, a card shop opened up not even a five minute walk away from my house and I've only gotten more into the game since then.
I regret all those lulls I had and especially when I sold off a bunch of my old cards. I now cherish any Kamigawa or Ravnica cards of mine I find because it was a part of my past as a Magic player.
Thank you Jeff Daniels
Gavan Brown of Roxley Games Young Jeff Daniels or Old Jeff Daniels?
Young and dapper!
Gavan Brown of Roxley Games I'll allow it. ;)
Gavan Brown of Roxley Games I am crying lol
Or Matthew Modine
What's this? Someone else who recognises that Standard is the most costly and time consuming format? Ha, I thought I was the last sane man left...
Man I love these I have only seen two but you speak so much from the heart as a fan and lover of magic, it really hits home. I gave away my collection too when I quit and now that I'm back in it I miss my cards for the same reason - I bought all the cards from the deck I ran back when it was standard in Dissension and when I played the deck again it was like I was teleported back to when I was a high schooler again.
I got this feeling when i found my old cards, and my jesters cap in a hard case sleeve...good times
The price of Jester’s Cap right now is one of the weirdest things about magic now I’m looking into it! Cap was worth *easily* ten force of wills, after all.
Hi, Prof --
Great essay. I was surprised at the parallels between your leaving of MTG and mine, although I was six years out of college in 1996 when I sold my collection to a friend (also for $450!). I had been introduced to Magic shortly after it debuted, but the game had lost its charm for me once people started constructing decks. I didn't have the time or inclination to go there, and when it became impossible for me to win even a casual contest, the joy was drained out of it. I was happy when that friend suggested he'd buy me out. I played a few more games over the next two years, borrowing decks from friends still in the hobby, but I'd bought my last pack.
No regrets here; I am still turned off by the lengths and depths of effort required to be the least bit competitive these days. However, a few weeks ago I accidentally found what may be my way of playing Magic. I attended my first-ever sealed deck tournament at a BFZ pre-release weekend while on an out of state trip. I was bored on a Saturday and found an FLGS that was hosting the tourney and got in at the last minute. I'd hardly looked at a Magic card in years so many of the powers were inscrutable to me at first. (Ingest? Ally? WTH?) But as I opened those boosters, I saw a lot of blue and black cards and put together a deck that, back in the day, we called The Bruise. My blacks were actually almost all Elrdrazi cards, and once I got the hang of that Ingest ability, I really took to it. One of my opponents even helped me fine-tune my deck after he saw how I struggled with it early on.
I had a great time, despite going 0-3 in the pool. In fact, I only won one game, but that was in the third match which turned out to be a barn-burner. I handily took the first game, but in each of the next two my opponent and I were down to 2 life at the end game, desperately attacking and countering until one of us finally drew That Card I Need. And the fact hit was he who drew it in both games hardly mattered. It was great fun.
Since then, I've sold all the foils I found in the packs (nothing special, but enough to almost pay for a board game expansion I'd been coveting), and set the deck aside for probably the indefinite future. But I am looking forward to the next pre-release weekend and my next sealed deck tourney. I may be a board gamer to my core, but I always enjoyed MTG and playing that pre-release tourney brought back all the reasons why.
Cheers!
Eric Francis thats what its all about, fun.
There's just something about your hair and your beard that is incredible
hell yeah, tested
it's just his eyes and face format/lips
what beard?
His hair is like snape’s
no homo
Thanks for this video. I’m just discovering it in 2020 during the pandemic. I quit around 2002 and lost most of my collection, through a combination of selling, moving, and my parents tossing them.
What amounted to a few thousand dollars in 2002 would today have been enough for my family to live off of and not have to work again. I still would pay just about anything though just to be able to peruse through my old collection for a couple of hours, enjoying the memories and seeing all the signatures of my friends on cards (my friends and I that were seriously competitive used to sign each other’s beta lands and draw on them). I miss those cards.
This is a good video Brian, I enjoyed it.
Looks like you've gained another couple hundred thousand subscribers since you uploaded it.
It was nice meeting you at GP Vegas.
Question here:
If you discovered you had the ability to planeswalk, what plane would you visit first?
The Goodie Men For me, it'd be Lorwyn (before the aurora), since most planes tend to be rather hostile places (I'm thinking of you, Grixis, Zendikar and New Phyrexia!). I would quite like to survive my first planeswalk, haha.
***** New phyrexia? man you have balls...
I'd probably go to ravnica and try my best to figure out how to get into the dimir guild, I know some names already so it would be easier :P
The Perverse Pistachio So you want to planeswalk to Las Vegas
Kamigawa, to train som ninjas to become relevant in ninja tribal. And make a UB legendary ninja for Commander.
I want to go to zendikar
When Pokémon came out i had a 3 complete shadowless base sets, when i turned 17 i took sold them for $700, i regretted it since they were a part of my childhood
Congrats on all the subs. I just added myself to the list. I have watched a fair number of your videos and while I don't always form the same opinion I appreciate how much thought you put into the information you provide. It is quality stuff and since I keep finding my way back here I figured I might as well subscribe and thank you for your efforts. So you know... Thank you.
This touched me and it i like hearing things like this from players. Memories are one precious thing we get from this game. Thank you for posting this video and hope to see more personal thoughts from you.
Wow. This hit home so hard for me. I had almost exactly the same experience in 1999. I can categorically say that you are 100% correct about the decision to sell cards. I sold my cards and i regret it so much today. A set of four Force of Wills, some Reflecting Pools, Wastelands, Shivan Dragons and a pair of Strip Mines (and a bunch of cards that had been good in what was then called Type 2 format) were sold in a fit of disillusionment and frustration with the game for a little less than $30 (unlike you, I'm still bitter about the price i got - suffice to say I sold to the first buyer that came along). I had come into the game at 4th edition/Ice Age and that was what Magic was to me, but the ever-increasing frequency of the expansions and the chase for new cards to stay competitive burned me out and I hated the game when I left it. But as you say, those memories are impossible to shake. I kept all the cards I couldn't sell and the pang of regret I get when I haul them out is awful. I wish i could get my old decks back.
Man I'm starting to love your videos
love your vids, this one hit me hard man keep up the great work
I can say, without a doubt, you are my favourite MTG CZcams channel. I have only recently discovered your channel as I have only recently rekindled my relationship with the game haha (I stopped playing a few years back and when I found the box of older cards in my cupboard it brought me the same feeling you described in this video).
I hope you keep up the passion and the awesome videos.
Thanks for the content you provide.
Fantastic quote at 8:00!
Another was at 3:40
90% garbage per pack really hurts...
What we need is more formats that make use of garbage.
Probably some fun limited weird new formats
androkguz Commons only or popper commander
In chess they have a variant called anti-chess, where the loser wins. Perhaps this could be an idea for Magic too, to come up with a format where the rules are made so that made the worst cards the best.
holy shit!!!! me and 2 buddies did something like that but we just called it suicide. the object of the game was to lose by off-ing yourself, back in the day when mana burn was very real. way back in the torment and odyssey and onslaught days....lol and we made it tribal too. i still remember how each of us tried to win(or lose depending how you wanna look at it) i used shepherd of rot, they used hurricane and Skirk Fire Marshal....good times. and if you killed someone else while you lost it was just called a murder suicide
William Simkulet buy pre made decks and play them with your friends. Very equivalent decks, 35$ per deck
Awesome video! Sadly I am in the same boat that you were in, I sold my entire collection. I made the mistake of getting into standard and not looking into other formats, between family, job and etc. I couldn't keep up with the standard format and got overwhelmed and exhausted and just sold them all. But here I am getting back into Magic because the same thing, my good friend pulled out his old cards from when we use to play and we both just had joy from looking at them again and decided to get back into it. But this time we are getting into Modern since we are so busy lately, it'll be nice to have a deck that's always viable and just play when we feel the urge. Appreciate the video and enthusiasm you bring.
I just rekindled my love of the game, thanks in part to MTG videos such as yours. Started the same time with you with Revised, Ice Age etc and i also sold my collections, many times over through the years. But i have a feeling this new one will stay for me for a while. Thanks, buddy!
Oh, you're about 38. See, we're the same age, "old man".
+Sims Dreamer Yep, 36. And older every day ;)
oh, you graduated early, or you were just young compared to your classmates...good for you!
+Sims Dreamer im going to be 32 next week. Love this game!
Omfg I'm 38 as well.
I'm 38, played in the same timeline mentioned in the video.
You know I recently moved to dfw Texas and I was so excited cuz I might find other magic players but my work will literally never allow me Friday off and I come home to unplayed decks and cards and constantly ask the question do You play mtg and I find myself asking why I spend so much money and time building commander decks when it seems as though I'll never have a play group and as a new player myself I'm overly tempted to just quit altogether
I've watched a few of your videos before and enjoyed watching your synapse, of education of the game with love of the game. This video truly spoke to me in regards of when I got out and just recently coming back in with Eldritch Moon. 4 Edition is where I began and Onslaught is where it slumbered. I lost my Sliver Deck my prized possession misplaced during a move. Morning it's lost I pushed the thought away and moved on to joining the military. Now that I'm out and reconnecting with MTG I'm on a quest to rebuild it and hopefully mabey find my bottle of time you've spoken of.
Hey Professor, thank you. So much. I had quit the game around Dark Ascension with the intentions of never coming back. I had played Standard ( I've learned my lesson on this) and had quickly become frustrated. My group of friends had left the game at that point and I had gotten sick of it. Now it's nearly five years later (I'm not a math major either) and I'm back in the game. A few months ago I was just searching around youtube and one of my suggested links was your channel so I watched this video. I then watched all of your videos, and remembered how much I loved playing the game and building these decks and even the favorite puzzle of mine of how to make a bad card, good. I remembered all the great times I had with my old friends, who I hadn't talked to in years. I reconnected with them, and even though I had sold my collection, I began to rebuild. I used your template for my modern Elves deck, which is my favorite deck to date and am even building a Sygg, River Cutthroat deck because I loved your template list so much. I've found a love for this game I didn't think I would ever find again. Thank you so much professor. You are an inspiration.
How do you deal with a-holes that play Magic at your local game shop? I am kind of confined, I only play Legacy so my pool of players is limited.
Also, how do you deal with the same a-holes at major tournaments.
SpyridonTheWonderWkr I am very lucky in that my local game store has no a-holes. And I don't play at larger tournaments....because there's a lot of a-holes at those.
SpyridonTheWonderWkr Personally I live in NYC, where the vast majority of the populace are considered ass holes by everyone out of state (lol), but sometimes its best to focus on the cool people you meet instead of the bad ones. If you meet five or ten cool peeps, what does the other five bad ones matter?
I guess it is just hard for me because I try really hard to be nice to everyone and the Magic "community" just seems so corrosive. It just really bums me out. I have decided to sell all of my stuff/
SpyridonTheWonderWkr make friends and stop being so dramatic about randoms......just dont confront people and watch them play.... and kill them or control them or even mill them when u vs them....... that I assure you is a terrible reason to quit a accomplishing game. (My 2 cents)
They are not randoms, they are people I thought were my friends, people I have traveled with to major tournaments....
But thanks for calling me dramatic without knowing everything.
What is your opinion on taking cards that have become Legacy staples such Duel Lands etc. off of the Reserved List or removing the reserved List all together? Since doing so will lower the barrier new players have into getting into Legacy, and would prevent Legacy from becoming a dead format.
It's so cool that you and Wedge are friends. I just discovered that with the spoilers video he did where he referenced yours. The community sense that you both have is part of what draws me to your channels, so it shouldn't surprise me.
This speaks to my soul! I was in the same boat as you. Started roughly the same time, held out a bit later than you though. But after Visions came out, I just wasn't having any fun (that and the only card shop that was around I was lucky to get to once a month). a few years ago, I ended up moving in with one of my cuz's to help him out and all of his friends played EDH. After a long night of drinking and watching him and his friends play, I mentioned that I used to play back in the day. He passed one of his spare decks to me (Kallia). 3 years later I'm up to 18 of my own EDH decks and one red deck wins.
I have a blast now every time I pull out my playmat both for all the new toys that I can get my hands on, and remembering all the old cards that are near and dear to my heart (the looks on ppl's faces when I play old jank like Skyshroud Elf or Minion of Leshrac is priceless).
And yes, going to EDH is a very good idea. You can make one deck, and you don't have to put money into it all that often (if ever). And it allows you to try cards that you wouldn't play in other formats too.
What if your friend never brought out that old box of magic cards? Would we be without The Professor and Tolarian today?
My younger brother was the huge mtg influence for me. He played for a long time and stopped at the time spiral/future sight sets. He worked at a card shop part time and was able to scoop up all those rare dual lands, judge/dci promos which he still has to this day. Since I got back in to is around RTR I've been slowly dragging him back in to it.
I quit Magic twice! Once in late 2010, sold my cards (including all Eldrazi Titans, foil Damnation from Planar Chaos, a playset of Verdant Catacombs and other good stuff).
I got back into the game after my wife got me all five Commander pre-cons for my Christmas 2013. I got really crazy, assembled three really powerful and expensive Commander decks, played a lot...only to quit half a year later, late 2014, and sold all my cards...again!
Guess what...I just started playing again, and I will never sell my cards again. I regretted it twice already, don't want to regret it again.
WeirdSchizo does this explain your avatar? XD
Ha...perhaps it does. I've had this avatar for Gears of War 3 actually, because I wasn't particularly good at that game^^
Nobody was good at Gear 3 lol
The single player was awesome just it seemed the multiplayer died...
I'm so glad I got to watch this video. I started playing in Revised as well and quit shortly after the Urza block. I kept all my cards at my parents house after I moved out not thinking about ever going back for them. It wasn't until I joined the Navy many years later when I payed my parents a long overdue visit when we were in port at Hawaii that I looked for some of my old belongings. My decks were still in their old sleeves just the way I left them. I laughed to myself when I stumbled upon a sliver deck that no one wanted to play against. All of he memories of the game, good and bad, came back and I knew I needed to take a few decks back with me to play some casual games on my ship. There just happened to be a few guys that also played and that's where I picked the game back up (original Innistrad). I've been playing ever since.
You've just earned a well deserved subscribe!
Hi. I'm very new to magic, but I've been very drawn to your content, having it be suggested by CZcams, and I'm finding that I'm learning about it quite a lot. Right now it also holds a special place in my heart, because I got into it with my girlfriend and we started being really passionate about it and get to spend more time with each other. I like how you talk about the nice things in your past and you strike me out as someone who is very kind-hearted and warm in real life as well. Thank you for the content, sir, it makes my evenings when I get home from work much more tolerable. Cheers from Romania
I played for 10 years straight no breaks. I felt like I was getting burnt out so I started to take at least 1 week off a month and it has greatly helped me out just 1 week does wonders
back in the day of balduvian horde and jesters cap being awesome
I haven't played since like 04-05, recently a guy in one of my classes mentioned magic and just him talking about it made me want to get back into it amd I've been watching all your videos to get back in. I still have my cards somewhere and Im going to try and find them when I head back to my dad's house :D
i just started playing magic again when Aether revolt came out. I hadn't played since Ravnica: city of guilds. Commander seemed like a fun format and it awesome to use those old cards from back in the days when i played magic. One of the best part of it is that the play group hasn't seen most of the "old cards" im using in my deck so it bring alot of fun and mystery in our games :) Thank you for your videos. they're awesome.
Question from a newb: as a new player, I lost all my games 1st friday night, went 50/50 2nd, and 1-4 3rd. Most of my games are lost to powerful combos from last block(Theros). How do I stay motivated to keep playing(and losing)? Should I just drop $100 on cards that are going to be bad in 6 months, or should I consider just quitting until October rotates out the Theros block?
Annwyn Curtiss switch to modern
Annwyn Curtiss when I came back I started playing draft tournaments, it's only boosters from the newest deck and you make them on the spot. it's all about your knowledge of how to play the cards you see and the people, definitely evened the odds. I came in 1st 8/10 times and 2nd the other 2.
Annwyn Curtiss play online
Honestly, winning at all in your first few sessions isn't bad.
I didn't quit magic entirely, but I did sell my collection and downgraded to 1 modern deck. Maybe later I'll join back competitively in a couple years, but I can still mono-green stompy on a budget
avatarofcloud word brother, i started in rath cycle and kind of quit buying hardcore after original rav block, but still occasionally bought cards.
sold all my cards in 2016 except my single affinity deck. i dont really regret selling my cards, its just frustrating knowing things like lake of the dead that i paid 5 a piece for and sold for 2 a piece are worth 60 a piece now
Enjoyed this vid. Got me to subscribe. I'm similarly happy I held onto my old cards, even though they're mostly worthless 4th ed. cardboard. I agree that they take me back to a special time in my life that is priceless. Since returning to the hobby a couple years ago after a twenty year absence, and introducing my partner to it, I've been happy to show her my old cards and reminisce about how the game has changed. Thanks!
Oh, great video and great thoughts! I have my 13-years-old collection of MTG cards somewhere in the basement in my homeland, 2000 km away from me. But now I decided to find them next time I'm home. Thx!
if the eldrazi went to new phyrexia and consumed its mana, would they become infected?
Shhhhhh, dont speak those words.
I think they’re powerful enough to resist
I want to keep mine for my Kids when they get old enough
Exactly bro. Same here..:)
I can imagine my (future) kids or grandkids asking me, "Dad / Grandpa, what's this card I found in the drawer?"
Me : let me tell you a story.....
Great advice! Quitting standard was the best thing I ever did. My friends and I have a blast with casual play, and it's always fun to play older decks at the LGS and draw a crowd. You should have seen the look on the faces of the newer players when they saw my Prosperous Bloom deck fire off on turn 3 for a win!
I really appreciate your channel, I love how you can vlog it's something a lot of channels don't have on Magic! Seriously keep up the good work! Tolarian Community College
Question: I have a lot of ideas for super fun gimmicky decks, but I can't possibly afford to build them all, what should I do?
Meh man Google magic proxy generator. Print your decks out, try them out.
Meh man PROXY'S!!!!
Two questions: (I am a rebel... what can I say?)
Firstly, and perhaps most important: If you could ban or unban any three cards from any format, what would you choose?
Secondly, I am a HUGE EDH/Commander fan and have built over 200 decks in the format (mostly budget, but a few Spike-esque monsters)... I am looking for a place to let my brain pour out it's Elder Dragon-y goodness... What advice would you offer a fellow M:tG enthusiast, in regards to filming their own videos?
Are their annex positions available at the Tolarian CC?
Did you notice my inability to count questions?
I did
Unban Roffellos from Edh. Ban the RC.
You brought a gleeful tear to my eye. I played Magic as a kid, then for forces I can only say where money related I stopped. Almost 2 decades later I find myself wishing I had kept those cards I had spent so much time just getting. They weren't the best cards, but they where the ones I used to play my friends with for the short time we did play. Thank you for all the information you give, the one friend I do play magic with is hesitant to play because of the money cost. I'm planning on sending him here so that he can learn just like I am.
Great video professor!
I pretty much had the same experience and regrets. I got back into mtg but I only buy the duel decks for casual games.
I always felt that the Revised edition was the best version of the game and I've been thinking of recreating a set using cards (or close approximations) from cards that are available today.
I get the "quit standard" point, but no for money. Sure, Standard is a grind and you gotta stay up to date. But (!) you can get a decent, if not top tier, Standard deck for around 100 bucks. You can't even think about gettin into Modern below 350 or so. So, while keeping up with the Standard Meta may be tiring and needing to buy the newest Set's staples might seem expensive, the BARRIER for breaking into Modern or god forbid Legacy (RIP 200+ bucks for a playset FoW) is just so high. My personal story is that I went for the most budget viable Modern deck I could find, Living End, around 2 years ago, I still had to pick up upwards of 300 Euros. And playing Modern doesn't mean you don't have to learn the meta. Sure, it changes less than in Standard but it still changes and there are much more deck types you have to learn when you enter the format.... not even talking about Legacy. So if your budget is small, let's say per month, you can't really not play standard because while long-term, Legacy or Modern might be more worth it in terms of non-decaying value, the barrier of entry is just SO. HIGH. For Modern especially since Modern staples have just increased and increased in price in recent years, be it fast lands, strong artifacts or any much-played card that's from a set before Khans of Tarkir.
I don't get why people call standard the most expensive format. To have a competitive Legacy deck the lands alone are worth the cost of like 2 stand decks... At least at my LGS
What you would rate the game modes in terms of popularity or most common I suppose.
Is Standard the most common and most played or is Modern? Because to me it seems like Modern is the best way to go because you can use a huge number of editions of cards which means more interesting deck themes and strategies!
Unfortunately, my game store only holds Modern once per month.
DeadlyApples666 Modern can be limiting in that the games are often over very quickly.
Standard games tend to go for a bit longer.
In the long term Modern is better value.
I'd say standard since its the mode that keeps gamestores and wizards running, followed by modern and commander. Lastly legacy since its way too pricey for the average player.
You and I shared the exact same feelings and experiences. What you described is exactly what I went through and did... I'm back in the game now but I miss my original cards soo much....
Thanks for your videos sir, very good they are. Feelings and logic with the most pure armony.
What mechanic, if any, would you like to see come back in magic?
For me it's madness.
Kory Ponting Split second.
Banding of course
Kory Ponting Kaylee Frye. Next question?
ghostofkrows i wish there were more split second cards. i love using them to stop huge combos though like grapeshot
Kory Ponting ante
This is weird but rn he's at 157,000 subs exactly 100k more
just seen this vid and you're totally right about standard!!!! I almost quit last year around the time this vid was posted because of standard being so expensive and some of my favorite cards and/or sets rotating out. ever since Ive gotten into modern and commander I'm having way more fun, and even though some decks may be expensive, they can stay constructed and the cards do not rotate out unless they get put on the ban list, i currently have 2 modern deck and 2 commander decks and feel like I can keep playing for years to come! this video was awesome!!!
It would be really cool if you made more highlander deck introduction videos. You've done really good work on these videos. Keep it going!
Me and a lot of my friends "quit" MTG a year ago because was to expensive and time consuming, i selled almost all my cards.But someday we decided to improvise a cheap cube with the rest of our collections, it's being very fun and we just expend money to buy food.
I like to play the top tier cards, but for me the real joy of Magic is to play with our friends, and i find this thing in cube
My question:
Do you think magic the gathering is headed in a good direction or not?
Zachary B Should also say that this was a great video. It really hit me in the chest, since I quit magic after return to ravnica. I never say magic again until college during the end of the theros block. I never went back to modern, I did make a standard temur and currently a rabble dragon deck, but I also went through my old decks and as I finally got into commander. I found myself making half of my 60's into commander decks
Thank you for doing this Video. I left MTG after Ice age, but I kept all my cards. Earlier this year when a good friend was flown to Brussels to play in the Pro Tour, I decided to get back into it.
I'm Hooked! I just did my first FNM, and I'm loving it again!
Keep up the amazing work with this channel!
I had to get out of standard, and have moved on to commander and modern, you story was moving, and I understand where you where coming from! Thanks for sharing!
Magic is a really expensive hobby and players that drop the big money for those mythic rares and combo cards are always going to have an advantage over you.
I still enjoy MTG as a hobby, but the last couple sets have not interested me in the slightest.
KainScion MTG lion is not promoting counterfeits.
KainScion At the end of the day, Magic should be a game of skill, where the better player wins, not the player with the most cash to burn. Sure trading or selling fakes is scummy but I and lots of other people are not going to notice if you sleeve those up in your deck and play them against me in a tournament.
KainScion Which is why players like Tom Ross can run game on $200+ standard decks with mono-red, right?
KainScion
Are viewpoints are so vastly different it would be a waste of my time responding to you.
KainScion "Grammar eludes you vastly." I fixed that for you.
Question! Question!
What can you say to those silly friends that always nag about how broken Blue is?
Robin Skyrde Just counter whatever they say then bounce them out of wherever you are.
insaneisaac
What if it's only turn 1 and you don't have enough mana out to use your counter spells?
Robin Skyrde Cast unsummon.
insaneisaac That's not in my deck ;~;
Robin Skyrde Then get one. Its a great blue card!
first card I got back in 2006 was aeon chronicler. blue card with suspend x. I cherished that card and has been the oldest card I have kept to this date even during my hiatus from 2007-2013. wow, 6 years gone by. now I live magic and learning the ins and outs. my strongest and favorite to play is my hydra deck and my white token deck featuring espeth, my first planeswalker I got in a booster this year. mtg cards truly have become the bookmarks in my life of great events and life lessons.
Great video. I had a similar experience, though I started in Fallen Empires. Did my first sealed deck tournament in Ice Age. We used to take some of the low value, low cost commons and whiteout the text with an eraser, then personalize them with jokes and flavor text about the group. Lots of good times. Memories are worth keeping for their own sake.
PASTA!
@ 3:40 Try other formats!? Like what? Standard is the only thing stores provide at Friday Night Magic! Most do nothing else. I'm sure WotC spur this practice on deliberately to entice players to keep spending the bucks.
My local game store does pretty much exclusively draft. It’s not all that cheap at the cost of four or five boosters per night (three to use plus prize support), but on the bright side it keeps them in business.
And yes, both the game stores and wotc encourage draft and standard because it sells their product. They have to keep the lights on, and occasionally selling a Commander deck prebuilt just isn’t going to do it.
This is a great video, You absolutely described how I felt when my 8 year old step son brought home a box of old MTG cards and wanted to know how to play the game. Seeing those cards brought back so many memories. I still remember going down to my local comic shop and seeing the old Starter Decks wondering what this new game was. I believe I payed 5.99 for my first starter deck in 96. I wish I still had them, I might have some in my dads garage in storage. I mean I know my old ninja turtles are still out there, and I still have most of my comic collection. It's just I was too young to think that those cards would be so valuable today.
Anyway thanks for a great video and bringing up some good childhood memories.
Just wanted to say you rock! I really enjoy watching your videos and your insight on mtg. Thank you ^_^
i think about leaving all the time...MTG just seems like its just a game with DLC constantly. This by far is my most expensive hobby....i draft and thats it. I thought about getting into modern but i will not pay those card prices,,,just redic.I would only recommend mtg with someone who has money to burn
***** woah...draft for me is 10$ with prize support. and yeah i can not play and save the money and then play but thats not the point i want to play mtg. once i wait and save up ill be dedicated to one deck only...unless i want another one and pay up the ass for more...besides i build janky standard decks for fnm and its great lol i never win top but when i beat "tier 1" decks best feeling in the world lol
***** The choice is yours my friend.You have chosen the path of "DLCs" so don't complain about it. Though, you can just build decks of your own from the cards you've gotten from drafting so much and play with some friends. In the meantime - start saving the draft money to buy some cards for a cheap modern deck to get so much more value for the money spent. As Jonathan said, there are a lot of cheap and good decks for Modern.
i did i like draft tho very fun and makes you think and i do use my draft cards for fnm shenanigans, and dont complain about me complaining :P. and dont call me friend buddy
***** Of course I mention your complaining. You have all the means to change your problem but still blames WotC for their "DLC-game". It appears to me that drafting is the thing you want to do so your post is a mystery for me o.O
If you ever wanted to try out modern you could build a infect deck for 15$ the goes off turn 3
I'm not even 5 months back in to the game, and I am considering not bothering with it anymore.
It's all netdecking! There's no creativity. I haven't even done FNM once! Because there is no format for me, where I can just PLAY.
Rulesrulesrulesrulesrules. How can you just play and have fun when everyone in every format is netdecking to ensure maximum competition and minimum creativity and fun?
Netdecking is CANCEROUS to Magic: The Gathering.
+Cowol Jar Woff No, it's not. It is nessecary for competative magic. either treat it as a challenge to create an even better deck, or just play edh or something.
+Joanna Winters Competitive? Fine, netdeck and have as little fun as you want. Though I STILL wish people wouldn't.
Even when it is so-called "casual", it's ALL everyone does! It's ridiculous. No matter what format, everyone is trying to make these hundreds or thousands of dollar netdecks.
You aren't out-playing anyone anymore, you're out-wallet-ing them.
I just want to fucking play! I want to play against people who made a deck of their own fun ideas. No bans or restrictions.
If you're playing casually, and not playing for massive combos or anything, then there's no NEED for bans or restrictions.
All cards were created, printed, and distributed to be used. Just because people are creating decks with combos, and hundreds of people are very un-creatively COPYING it, it doesn't meant everyone is abusing these cards.
I want the creativity back! I want the "magic" (huehue) that I felt in the game back in the early 2000's.
Even to just play for fun there are bans.... All to make it "fair"?? When netdecking is the whole reason the unfairness in some of these cards exists in the first place!
So... competitive netdeck play has even single handedly DESTROYED casual play.
If netdecking somehow completely disappeared from the game overnight, and everyone was forced to make a deck from what they have, you would have a game that is more 'fair' and fun than you could ever imagine. It'd be more based on skill than wallet, and it'd create an even LARGER community than already exists.
Sharing ideas is fine.
Sharing your deck, what it does, for getting opinions is fine.
Just copying someone elses deck is LAZY, unoriginal, boring, and not very fun.
Netdecking for competitive play has crept in to effecting people who want to play for fun.... This happened like a virus. I stand by calling netdecking "cancerous"..
These IS no just playing the game. There is only format after format after format full of rules that were created because of competitive people.
Hence, I don't do FNM.
+Cowol Jar Woff try to play pauper. It is a legacy format with only commons and only 9 cards banned. You can be very comprtitive with a 30-40$ deck and the most expansive one isn't even one of the best in the meta, it's burn, and it's expansive just because it's 90% of a legacy burn. So no pay to win in pauper. You can netdeck, and in fact it's even fun, you do it just when you start to better understand the powerhouses of the format, the speed a deck needs, how strong each color is, and what weaknesses has. Then the game starts, when you really understand and master the best 10-15 decks of the pauper meta you have all the tools to create compleately new decks, fun strategy, new combos, and still doing it competitively using 20c cards. Play pauper man and rediscover magic the gathering
competitive magic can be very fun has a high level of skill and strategy, and just because other's netdeck doesn't mean you have to. If it is the money issues, (which is why I don't play competitive formats) then play pauper or commander. You should look it up I think you would really like it. Lots of creativity!
That's the answer I always get, to play pauper.
But I want to play with my own deck, unrestricted :(
great video, very reminiscent of myself started playing in revised phased out around 2004 and sold not all but many of my really good cards for a car in high school; which at the time was totally worth it to me. Bought a few boxes over the years but never really got back into playing till recently a friend showed me EDH and mtgo.
back in the day were packs of alliances super cheap in your LGS? (during the Wrath cycle tempest stronghold ex my LGS was selling alliances for $2.25 per pack as apposed to 3.50/4 wrath cycle packs)
Great video, I had a similar experience when I first entered high school days but mostly to peer pressure from my classmates and friends telling me that magic was nerdy and looked down upon. That was nearly 15 years ago, I'm glad to see how much the magic community has grown when I came back to the game 2 years ago, or maybe I have grown because at 30 you really don't care about silly connotations of being "nerdy."
I've got 4 words
Minimum wage and hearthstone
lul at hearthstone part.
BurningOnTheStake im actually thinking of stopping playing until a month after g.o.r. comes out. Don't really enjoy the super blue/white control decks. I know the annoying decks won't leave but I want to build a cool wizard deck. Ravnica (I know I spelled it wrong) used to have awesome wizards I hear. Probably will build a commander deck and play some times.
BurningOnTheStake im actually thinking of stopping playing until a month after g.o.r. comes out. Don't really enjoy the super blue/white control decks. I know the annoying decks won't leave but I want to build a cool wizard deck. Ravnica (I know I spelled it wrong) used to have awesome wizards I hear. Probably will build a commander deck and play some times.
Also approach will rotate soon, god I hate it.
When are you going to cut your hair!
dont do it man....its a trick. lol
(HJ): Beautifully spoken! I still know a lot of specific fun stories for many cards in my binders when I flip through them (and often bother my wife with them lol), hence I could relate to the Bottle of Time comparison :)
You know, I really appreciate the effort you put into giving your viewers advice. And that's always so helpful too. Thanks a lot,
This is a great video, sums up how I feel about my card collection now. Although throughout my magic career I've made a few bad trades and even had some parts of my card collection stolen, but the majority has stuck with me since the days of Weatherlight when I first started playing.
The most valuable pieces of my collection however were during the Alara block. Myself and all of my friends in highschool had accumulated the single largest collection of magic cards we had ever bought from a single set. Every time I look at any single card from the Alara block I'm almost immediately filled with nostalgia of remembering when myself or one of my friends had used the card.
Those friends gave me the responsibility of keeping all of those cards, and when I moved out of state, they told me to keep them. They kept their favorite decks, but told me to keep all of the rest. Every time I see an Alara card, it takes me back to that time with those friends. Selling my collection would be like selling some of my most treasured memories.
I love this idea of wedge asking you questions, with your unpreped answers, look forward to it :D unfortunately ive only just started play for like a month so, I cant think of any interesting for you as of at XD keep up the great work professor ^^
I have recently gotten back into MTG again, and found all of my old cards. This channel is helping me get back in safely and consistently, so THANK YOU! :)
Thanks for another great video. Here's my question--if you could CREATE your own mechanic (e.g., haste, banding, constellation, etc.), what would it do, and what cards (colors, sets, card types, etc.) would it apply to?
Such a nice story. My brother and I have played, quit, and re-played Magic several times. First was during Tempest block and left during Urza block. Played again in Onslaught and left before Kamigawa. Then now, we're playing again starting from Kaladesh.
Really good vid 2 years later man, keep it up always! (:
Just went through all my old cards and sorted through them all, bought some new ones, going to a pre-release next weekend. The nostalgia trip is crazy. Cool to see the game's still going strong.
Your reflections were quite moving, so I felt compelled to leave a comment and 'thank you' for sharing.
Like many others on here, I too had a similar experience as yourself back in the 90's... I'm a "revised edition" kid I suppose. Although the point of this video is to share personal insights to that younger generation who may be going through what some of us had gone through back in our days, the actual reason for me stumbling upon your channel, and subsequently this video, is that like yourself a few years back, I've recently had that 'fond walk down memory lane' and am trying to get back into Magic once again. Luckily, I never sold my cards all those years ago, and despite so much changing, it's sort of like starting at the beginning; I'm actually excited by it.
So my dear Professor, I just wanted to voice my appreciation for your channel, that your logical and thoughtful advice, knowledge, humor, and all-around great attitude is refreshing and comforting as I reacclimate into MTG. So I thank you!