How to Break a Nazi Spy - WW2 Documentary Special
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- What is the best way to extract information from enemy spies? British interrogator Robin “Tin Eye” Stephens reckons that physical torture is pretty useless. Instead he has great success with a method of psychological terror that breaks the spy’s will and even turns some of them into double agents. But when the war is over, will he stick to his principles?
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Many of us are fortunate enough to live in countries where torture is illegal. But others don’t have that luxury. What’s the situation where you are? Can you be satisfied that the authorities will treat you humanely?
I have to ask, is the "Camp 020" book at Astrids elbow worth a read? Aaaaannnd NOW I want a Time Ghost book club with recommendations from the team!
If you're going to make up rules, you surely shouldn't then also make a rule that exempts you from the rules you made up, to do the bad things you're saying you made the rule up for in the first place.
@@tedrex8959 Can be bought at Amazon et-al and is published by Pen and Sword
I haven't personally read it, but the books chosen to show on an episode are not going to be bad works.
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@WorldWarTwo Thank you, I will have to check it and check the sources list to find out what the one beneath it is. I know I was using a jokey tone but the more I think about it, the more I think a Time Ghost book club would be wonderful. I am sure that I am not the only person who would like to hear the teams recommendations, (not just for WW2 books either) and you could include links in the videos so that you could earn a little from each sale. I know that you are all dreadfully busy at the moment but with so many TERRIBLE history books around it would be great to have a reliable source that the viewers know they can trust.
Who was it? General "Mad Dog" Mattis who said "I've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture."
I agree that yorture ileads to bad info, & gives ip the high moral ground.
As I understand it, the Brits had a prison camp for senior officers that was quite nice. It was a manor house,with butlers and all. Completely wired for sound including the garden. Apparently it did lead to some interesting bits of intelligence as the officers talked amongst themselves.
It was Trent Park, just on the outskirts of North London. Near Cockfosters Station at the end of the Piccadilly Line. I believe that the building has been converted into private apartments, so sadly, can no longer be visited.
Trent Country park itself is still well worth a visit though. A huge area of parkland it's great on a summer day. It can be seen in the 1983 Dr Who fifth Doctor story 'Mawdryn undead', as all the location filming for that story was done there.
@@tadeusz1 It used to be part of Middlesex University. My Mum used to work there, teaching ironically, creative writing.
Yes, but these were senior German officers, not suspected enemy intelligence assets...
I resided about an 10 minute walk from the tube station. Was there for over 21 years before emigrating. great walks on any sunny afternoon and Trent park golf centre was just a few minutes away.
The fact that he is a Gurka officer tells me that he has enormous self-control while also being able to get the best out of his "people". How true that violence does not produce the best results, only breeds disgust and is thereby counterproductive, I hold this as your very best lecture so far👍👍👍 May you and the entire editorial staff have a well-deserved Merry Christmas❤👍🤟
I this year visited the prison of the east German secret police and the methods used there really reminded me of the methods in the video. Never seeing another prisoner, bad clothes etc
If he pretends to be British its easy. Just show him a picture of a squirrel and ask to say what it is. Because no German no matter how good they speak English can say squirrel
"Ahh, thats a marmoset!"
"Nooo, it's not a marmotset it's got brown hair and a bushy tail, what is it?"
@@dennisholt7684 Its a squvivaal
As a parent nooo I don't wanna think it gives me memories of a cartoon duggie and the squirrels I'd sooner watch Rory the racing car than duggie again 😂😂😂
And in perfect “ hilly billy “ that thear is a critter
What's in this picture... A tree rat...umm colonel?
I remember reading about Bad NennDorf it sounded worthy of a location for a horror film. As mentioned some of those detained were suspected of Russian sympathies and included some who had survived the concentration camps. One inmate described it as worse than being detained by the Nazis. The most effective method of interrogation was almost complete sensory deprivation which took only a few days to break inmates. Graduates from the staff went on to play a role in counter insurgencies in Palestine, Cyprus, Kenya and Aden but didn't stick to non-violent approach.
Torture only works to get someone to tell you what you know they know bc most people will tell you anything to make the pain stop
Psychological terror can be as painful, traumatising and harmful as physical torture.
oddly enough tthere was a reference to a character called "Tin Eye" in an episode of Foyle's War, i believe in season 7 when Foyle worked for MI5. I wonder if this is the same person?
That Victorian palace sounds like a perfect place for a horror movie & / or a video game where we'd play a prisoner !
Honestly, between Tin Eye's face and the old victorian manor, if it was late October I'd have called that a funny Halloween prank.
Tin Eye looks a bit like Indy😂
14:56 " food is kept bland" ah British traditional cooking.
Jokes aside I always been adverse to torture, and never particularly approved of violent torture as a method... however to the snobbery of refering to the same faulty research that physical torture serves no point only hides the true evil... That it sometimes work well enough... And as such is used when other methods don't fit, like a Toolbox for the un empathic torture do use tools that are barbaric and leaves scars
Excellent! I have followed Time Ghost for years and this is one of the most interesting and until now unknown stories to me.
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Never underestimate the horror of mental torture. Sometimes it can be even worse than physical torture
Thanks for the tutorial Astrid!
Can confirm it's effective! :D
Quite nice to see Ms. Deinhard once again.
Your mention of Albert Camus impressed me no end! That shows quite the level of research.
toujours un plaisir d'entendre Mdme Astride :) As always, well done. ty :)🧐
Torture is unfortunately always torture, be it physical or psychological.
Wow, this was a very interesting episode! Thank you for shedding some light on a quite often overlooked subject.
Many of the techniques described in this video of hooding, sleep deprivation etc were used by British forces in 1970 when internment was introduced in Northern Ireland. They added white noise and standing suspects against a wall and making them lean against the wall supported only by their fingertips. This is still subject to a case taken by the Irish government against the UK in the European Court of Human Rights over 50 years later
I often enjoy your video's Astrid. And this one was quite informative.
Hi Astrid
Very interesting story about Stephens
Need more like this
Thanks for this episode.
Thank you.
The Reid Technique is not a form of torture. When applied by experts, it creates sufficient pressure to break false stories apart or reveal that a person is telling the truth.
He looks a lot like the original movie depiction of Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
There's always a small amount of people who view the Geneva Convention as less crimes, and more instructions.
I love this guy already !
Indy looks a lot like Tin Eye!
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ASTRID= this has to be one of your best videos....well done.....
Pacific War News: On December 14, 1944, 150 prisoners, mostly U.S. military personnel, were herded into air raid shelters, doused with gasoline, and set on fire by the Japanese soldiers. Only a few managed to escape the brutal attack. This atrocity was one of several war crimes committed by the Japanese military during their occupation of the Philippines. It became known as the Palawan massacre.
Astrid Astrid I believe at 3;30 the pronounciaton for Gurkha is "Görkhas" i mean how to say it.Otherwise your information is wery good congratsulations...
My definition of torture ? How to break me ? One, dirty weekend with you, dear Astrid !
Astrid and Sparty have very similar facial contortions. Another informative video on the Intelligence side of War.
Another smashing hit ! Well presented and its great that you have brought this to the light of the day for all peoples to appreciated that war has many facets of cruelty , and in some cases needed to shorten a war or conflict . There are many reasons for why a person wanting to spy on another country and another to be a double agent to save ones own skin , with the subliminal thought that at the conclusion of the war your enemy of your enemy may still do you in . In retrospect we later on see many of the high Nazi's taken out of Europe in Operation Paper clip ,, yes I worked with one ,, even though I didn't know it at the time . After all how do you graduate from the German Navel academy in 1923 and end up learning to fly jets later on for US aircraft companies and never account for the time in between ? As I have lived in NZ for the last 25 years I'm now becoming better aware of the spying on the people of this country by the government , from people that work in these agencies . The art as you have explained about 020 , as you conclude is still being evaluated , and as we no longer ask about the prisoners at GTMO in Cuba as no one cares about them as they rot away , perhaps forever .
hmm that quote of his about the germans, sounds very much like he’s possibly quoting Tacitus ‘Germania’
I can't but help thinking "Tin Eye" were the proud product of the British boarding school system.
Are there still plans to do a bio special on Charles Upham?
Perfect timing, on my part, to watch this right before bed.
I think Astrid's videos are good to wind down to a lot myself.
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One of the horrifying aspects of war is it tends to give a career path to people who in peacetime society would otherwise be outcasted as psychopaths. Sometimes they even go down in history as heroes because they did it for a good cause. Whether any of that is justifiable or not I can't help but see it as a darker side of our nature and what parts of us war brings out. I also remember how Himmelstoss was described in All Quiet on the Western Front:
"Let a man be whatever you like in peacetime, what occupation is there in which he can behave like that without getting a crack on the nose? He can only do that in the army. It goes to the heads of them all, you see. And the more insignificant a man has been in civil life the worse it takes him."
Governments change; methodology changes, Human nature doesn't.....
Do you think that the British switching to heavy handed interrogation techniques had something to do with their exposure to the horrors of the concentration camps?
If I've learned anything from watching old movies it's to never trust a man with a monocle.
What movies do you pull from to get your intro? They look like good old movies.
Yeah, I've long been intrigued by the women in the cafe(?).
@@DandyLion662a Me too. I hope they'll give us a list of the movies used some day.
The woman looks like Marlene Dietrich. The man with the pistol is a VERY young Lloyd Bridges, possibly from the serial “Secret Agent X9.”
Please do a big video later on, on all the resons the Japanese empire fall like the army and navy fighting, there doctrines ect
How interesting to see a potentially awkward down the line communication from long before the days of What's app.
Give humans anonymity and secrecy and they will devolve into unspeakable human beings in almost every case. We have to hold all government officials accountable for their actions if we want them to act decently on our behalf
Interagastion prisons must be scary, daunting, quite, isolate each spy, let there sperits break,
Other forms of Intimadation like ghost storys ect, or tricks such as good cop bad cop, are also used,
After they confess they are given a place to comune with others, nice fun places and gardens to grow there food,
This leads to few escape atempts and sometimes more confesseds
Read Solzhenytsen's account of interrogations and the regime at the NKVD's maximum security lockup the Suhkanovka and with the exception of torture, the conditions are identical. Absolute silence, total isolation and methodical dehumanization. Horrifying.
War brings out the beasts.
What type of bread is Astrid wearing on her head, I've always been curious!
It is called Flechtbrot ;)
That's it! @@Amradar123
I would like to see black people covered in this channel. my grandad was in the war in Belgium he told me that the blacks at the time were not allowed to fly planes in the navy even tho they worked hard in America and payed there taxes yet they were allowed to join a tank regiment he explained they were assaulted and spat at by the white Americans yet when they got in those tanks there pride and honour was more than any other soilder her had seen and that they wanted to prove there worth. He was friends with Albert till he died in 2008 and said he had more guts than any other soilder he met. It's not talked about much on channels but I really think black people should be shown the courtesy they deserve and what they did in the war. He told me that the tank regiment saved many lives and only two out of 50 men came and said thank you. My grandfather was white and Albert was black and remained friends forever.
You should do a special on Hanns Scharff to compliment this video.
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Woolwich is pronounced wool-itch.
What are you when you know all these dark secrets and put up a false front of righteousness?
The ruthless wolf disguised as the innocent sheep. The terror you see coming but only notice when its too late.
wait a minute... i thought the gurka are exclusively nepalese?
Not the officers.
Breaking Nazis? I love that idea
Of course torture works, both physical and mental. Anyone with a big sister knows this. It does work best with 2 or more prisoners. When a military person claims torture doesn't work know that they've said this because they're doing it and want plausible deniability.
I suspect it does work. Subject to torture, I'm sure there's a point at which I'd give up everything. And I thought it was a working assumption that if, say, you were in espionage or a resistance movement, if one of your colleagues were captured, you'd assume they'd given up everything and consequently take up compensating measures.
So, when push comes to shove we behaved in the same way as the Nazis. In that case, why did we bother to fight them?
Hazarding a guess here, but maybe because our side wasn't invading neighbouring countries and trying to exterminate Jews, gays, commies, Slavs etc?
Gurkhas were not colonial troops, Nepal was and is still independent
Mmm they fought for the colonial British Empire in the colonies of that empire m… that makes them conical troops.
@spartacus-olsson Fair comment but weren't they more mercenaries than colonial troops? Paid by the British government to fight for us
The worst way to torture me is too bring in a beautiful woman holding a steak baked potato and a salad in one hand and a bottle of bourbon in the other id give them the kind of underwear my commanding officer is wearing!😅 They wouldn't have to lay one finger on me!
The p is silent.
Torture never works for its purported reasons. I used to know Americans who were involved in both the undeclared (and therefore illegal, immoral) Vietnam War and, almost two generations later, Darth Cheney's equally pointless, criminal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. All of which only confirmed what I had read and long thought--that torture might force its victims to give up some names, etc, but the very, very obvious fact is that no one can actually resist torture. Anyone who contends otherwise is either an idiot and/or someone who condones this terrible crime against humanity. When we are being tortured, our only impulse is to fabricate whatever our terrified minds imagine whatever might make the torture stop. Aren't we humans lovely? The absolute Crown of Creation. And if you're too young to get that Jefferson Airplane reference, just listen to Frank Zappa's nakedly frank "The Torture Never Stops." Cats might play with their victims, but only we actually torture them.
DID IT MAKE US BETTER THAN THE ENAMY DONT THINK SO 😮. 😊