The Controversy Behind Nike’s Vaporfly Running Shoe, Explained | WSJ

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  • Nike’s Vaporfly shoes have become a popular choice for both elite and amateur runners.
    But the shoes may soon be banned in professional competitions if World Athletics, the world governing body of track and field, decides they offer an unfair advantage.
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  • @dosephinedostar3543
    @dosephinedostar3543 Před 4 lety +8565

    “With the Tokyo olympics around the corner this summer” that statement didn’t age well

  • @JamilKhan-hk1wl
    @JamilKhan-hk1wl Před 4 lety +6928

    Its fake. Everyone knows that running in crocs gives you the most advantage

    • @devon6am
      @devon6am Před 4 lety +151

      Jamil Khan súper versatile shoe, the cruise mode and the sport mode

    • @sownheard
      @sownheard Před 4 lety +25

      Crogtech

    • @timmyfranckson338
      @timmyfranckson338 Před 4 lety +18

      I am speed

    • @Jack-hm5fl
      @Jack-hm5fl Před 4 lety +22

      Bro there’s actually these kids that run a 5k near my area every year in crocs, and one of them is like 12 and can go sub 18 it’s insane

    • @Sce45rays31
      @Sce45rays31 Před 4 lety +3

      And blisters...

  • @nachot6592
    @nachot6592 Před 3 lety +1560

    I disagree with the limitations. EVERY SINGLE running shoe, before and after the vaporflies, from one or two centuries ago, you name it, has been designed to offer an advantage; to improve our running prowess. The vaporflies just happen to be the first to manage to give such a performance boost but they will not be the only ones to achieve it. This is just the beginning.

    • @krazed0451
      @krazed0451 Před rokem +15

      They put a literal leaf spring in them...

    • @jasoncox9256
      @jasoncox9256 Před rokem +95

      Agreed. Anything beyond bare feet is technically a mechanical advantage. As Nike said, the shoe does not input more energy into the system, it makes more efficient use of existing energy.

    • @livelaughlucass
      @livelaughlucass Před rokem +1

      what leaf spring

    • @StarComet7
      @StarComet7 Před rokem +12

      i run at a national level, and if shoes goes to a certain level it will be an equipment sport and just be a money sport.

    • @definitefenrir6598
      @definitefenrir6598 Před rokem +7

      @@StarComet7 It already is all about money maybe not to most of the athletes who put in the work but to everyone else sports are nothing but money, It hasn't been about pushing what is humanly possible for long time.

  • @c_harris8714
    @c_harris8714 Před 3 lety +508

    You can not just ban a running shoe.. you either impose a standard shoe that all runners must wear in professional events or nothing at all. Banning particular running shoes just opens a can of worms and will never set a definitive standard that is consistent for runners to abide by.

    • @sandybakers690
      @sandybakers690 Před rokem +13

      Can of words?

    • @dannynysus
      @dannynysus Před rokem +11

      @@sandybakers690 Yeah, can of words. A.k.a., alphabet soup 🍲

    • @humsse-pulmanojohnhumprey4991
      @humsse-pulmanojohnhumprey4991 Před rokem

      Absolutely agree with this! fake advertisement

    • @causethatshow
      @causethatshow Před 7 měsíci

      @@sandybakers690 In other words, fool me once shame on me, eh, fool me twice shame on eh.....you won't be fooling me again. George Bush hahahahahaha.

    • @user-pe3tt7iu7g
      @user-pe3tt7iu7g Před 6 měsíci

      standard shoe is not it

  • @thendomudau8778
    @thendomudau8778 Před 4 lety +26643

    Imagine making a shoe so good it's considered cheating.

    • @anomad6314
      @anomad6314 Před 4 lety +365

      carbon plate acts like a spring.... so all the records obtained with vapourfly should really be wiped.

    • @thendomudau8778
      @thendomudau8778 Před 4 lety +260

      @@anomad6314 so is the shoe not good? 😂

    • @iggymiranda1797
      @iggymiranda1797 Před 4 lety +412

      @@anomad6314 shut up you Adidas shill

    • @GhostSamaritan
      @GhostSamaritan Před 4 lety +884

      @@anomad6314 Or maybe other brands should step their game up?

    • @batorsagandszerelem4474
      @batorsagandszerelem4474 Před 4 lety +1025

      I don't get the problem. If the vaporfly gives unfair advantage, then make all the runners wear vaporfly, so the playing field is even again. I think a shoe that can actually make you run faster is cool.

  • @KolMan2000
    @KolMan2000 Před 4 lety +7200

    “We want better shoes for running”
    *Nike makes better shoes for running*
    “Wait no that’s illegal”

    • @harumurasaki6615
      @harumurasaki6615 Před 4 lety +110

      exactly. absurd much ain't it? eeesh

    • @neolexiousneolexian6079
      @neolexiousneolexian6079 Před 4 lety +49

      I got rollerskates- I mean shoes with wheels under them! Run twice as fast!

    • @GratiaCountryman
      @GratiaCountryman Před 4 lety +56

      The problem is that you can’t have a situation where some people have the shoes and others don’t. The race is supposed to be about a competition of runners, not shoes.

    • @Albus_Rex
      @Albus_Rex Před 4 lety +52

      @@GratiaCountryman Buy the shoes then. Simple as.

    • @stephenwgreen78
      @stephenwgreen78 Před 4 lety +89

      @@Albus_Rex or just have Nike provide every runner in the Olympics with free shoes...best advertising ever

  • @lukedavis5411
    @lukedavis5411 Před 3 lety +553

    “Why are they illegal?”
    “You run good in them”

    • @user-oz5xb9ed3w
      @user-oz5xb9ed3w Před 3 lety +27

      well, you have to be able to run good in the first place. not like these are gonna make a slow person win

    • @wheninthecourseofhuma
      @wheninthecourseofhuma Před 2 lety +4

      You might as well give the runners stilts

  • @tevitateulilo7573
    @tevitateulilo7573 Před 3 lety +907

    This man really compares wearing Vaporfly’s to doing drugs...

    • @sto-humanfriendly
      @sto-humanfriendly Před 2 lety +18

      Doping is not doing drugs sometimes. It can refer to taking out your blood, oxygenating it, then returning it later

    • @kys9611
      @kys9611 Před 2 lety +82

      @@sto-humanfriendly but even with your example you have to agree that it’s still pretty absurd to compare shoes to oxygenating your blood artificially or ‘doping’.

    • @sarahmacleod2008
      @sarahmacleod2008 Před 2 lety

      @@kys9611 they say you gain a 4per cent advantage with the vapor fly so why do you still consider that absurd?

    • @peterflex1
      @peterflex1 Před 2 lety +5

      @@sto-humanfriendly did you read what youve just wrote? You can compare doing drugs with what youve said. He said its absurd to compare drugs with running shoes

    • @peterflex1
      @peterflex1 Před 2 lety +1

      @@sarahmacleod2008 4% of what? You are literally the person who is doing drugs right now

  • @codycollins6468
    @codycollins6468 Před 4 lety +3996

    Bruh having a shoe is a “unfair” advantage, running shoes are literally designed for performance it just so happens to nikes which is best...... some people prefer the carbon fiber plate in that other pair of shoes

    • @Cortesevasive
      @Cortesevasive Před 4 lety +19

      ADIDAS master race

    • @SuperToemoe
      @SuperToemoe Před 4 lety +174

      If they’re honestly mad about the advantages shoes give just ban shoes all together and have them wear shirts for sponsorships if you want it to be really fair

    • @spyseefan975
      @spyseefan975 Před 4 lety +26

      with your logic roller skates would be fine too

    • @shadowbanned-9577
      @shadowbanned-9577 Před 4 lety

      C-.. NO, NOT ADIDAS, We get that moniker...😉

    • @jeanardcontentvillarina1761
      @jeanardcontentvillarina1761 Před 4 lety +51

      If it's unfair then why not let them run barefooted

  • @MukulVermamukulverma
    @MukulVermamukulverma Před 4 lety +5229

    "we don't create any running shoes that return more energy than the runner expends"
    So... Nike shoes doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics . Good to know .

    • @averagejoe8226
      @averagejoe8226 Před 4 lety +265

      Mukul Verma Nike is referencing the rules of competitive running set but the global governing body. What they mean is that none of their shoes are designed to propel runners through alternative means e.g. springs or motors

    • @404nobrakes
      @404nobrakes Před 4 lety +204

      Average Joe springs do not store or create energy either. They just return the energy that the runner expends. That being said, a) the carbon plate and the foam are effectively springs and b) this rule is not sufficient on its own because it doesn’t ban bicycles or roller skates. We really have to think about what makes running running and how much mechanical assistance we’re willing to accept

    • @averagejoe8226
      @averagejoe8226 Před 4 lety +118

      @@404nobrakes My opinion is that shoes =/= doping. Runners should be allowed to utilize technology as long as this technology is widely available and does not drastically change the sport or effect integrity

    • @xxcleverxxvhfsaw511
      @xxcleverxxvhfsaw511 Před 4 lety +48

      This is very true and if the shoe is available to everyone why ban it plus it would make running more competitive

    • @Ozzyisunavailable
      @Ozzyisunavailable Před 4 lety +33

      @@404nobrakes if theyre allowed shoes at all then they should be allowed any shoes, however what is considered a shoe should also be more clearly defined

  • @Hexnilium
    @Hexnilium Před rokem +454

    I recently bought a pair, completely unaware of this controversy.
    The shoes definitely gave me a huge boost.
    I could feel the shoes helping me spring forward somehow.
    It increased my stride length, and made it easier to make each stride.
    I would estimate that it gave me about a 10% increase in efficiency.
    It also seemed to help with turns which were a weak point for my running.
    Turns always slow my pace down, but with these I maintained the faster paces.
    All in all, I know the shoes helped me go faster and further and with greater ease.
    The shoes are incredibly light. Even the shoelaces are light and made to stay tied.
    The engineering and precision to details are incredible.
    Should they be banned or discouraged? I don't think so.
    They help, but no different than how a pair of shoes from 1950 might compare to a pair from 2015.
    They're just more advanced shoe technology.
    Part of the future, not the past.

    • @user-pe3tt7iu7g
      @user-pe3tt7iu7g Před 6 měsíci +2

      I remember I used New Balance 15 years ago and it helped me in Cross Country running or Mercurial Vapor soccer cleats that helped me run faster.

  • @elphive42
    @elphive42 Před 3 lety +620

    Theoretically, any shoes can affect the way a runner runs - I don’t feel that a significant advancement in shoes should be blocked, as improvements have consistently occurred for the entire history of the sport.

    • @peterflex1
      @peterflex1 Před 2 lety +1

      This.

    • @user-ti9zc1xv2b
      @user-ti9zc1xv2b Před 2 lety +3

      Fine first principle thinking

    • @schumerthd
      @schumerthd Před rokem +2

      Also, not discussed is how each runner technique differs and how Nike's shoe affects their technique. If you watch the runner in the demonstration he does a lot of heel striking and would receive more benefits by using Nike's shoe, whereas a runner who strikes closer to the toes would receive no benefit from using Nike's shoe.

    • @TheLaualamp
      @TheLaualamp Před rokem +1

      I mean if you can put a spring in a running shoe then what if adidas comes out with some cartoon looking springy bois, everyone would agree that it's not okay, this one seems acceptable just because you don't see the spring.

  • @LYJManchesterUnited
    @LYJManchesterUnited Před 4 lety +4942

    When companies finally makes a product that does as advertised
    " We can't allow that."

    • @JohnSmith-cj9cx
      @JohnSmith-cj9cx Před 4 lety +131

      I wouldn't be surprised if Nike's rivals are behind the banning campaign.

    • @robywankenobi32
      @robywankenobi32 Před 4 lety +29

      Sounds like F1 racing haha

    • @neitherlink6612
      @neitherlink6612 Před 4 lety +17

      @@JohnSmith-cj9cx since it's expensive innovate, let's ban those who do, so we don't have to.

    • @anomad6314
      @anomad6314 Před 4 lety +1

      folks can use the shoe... but not for competitions.

    • @georgerosebush9754
      @georgerosebush9754 Před 4 lety +1

      @@robywankenobi32 I immediately thought of the fan car and how it was instabanned.

  • @NorrisLikens
    @NorrisLikens Před 4 lety +4058

    There hasn't been significant innovation in running shoes in 50 years. Then when the innovation comes you want to ban it?

    • @gamezone4153
      @gamezone4153 Před 4 lety +68

      Thor Odinson Bruh

    • @theazrael4423
      @theazrael4423 Před 4 lety +22

      Yes, of course, it improves the performance of people of African descent and this channel is after all, the wall street journal

    • @zitronentee
      @zitronentee Před 4 lety +71

      @Thor Odinson yeah, we should stay with sandals, right?

    • @AeroGold1
      @AeroGold1 Před 4 lety +8

      Same thing happened with the speedo bodysuits in competitive swimming.

    • @andrewbell7579
      @andrewbell7579 Před 4 lety +27

      The only thing I have against it is, not everyone can be sponsored by Nike and therefore it will cause monetary problems.

  • @alecj9227
    @alecj9227 Před 3 lety +581

    If they are gonna try and ban a pair of shoes, they should require that all world records must be attempted completely naked.

    • @ColinRowat0
      @ColinRowat0 Před 3 lety +38

      didn't the original Olympians compete naked?

    • @zionlee4594
      @zionlee4594 Před 3 lety +14

      @@ColinRowat0 yea, some say that it was done to prevent women from competing

    • @SimonWoodburyForget
      @SimonWoodburyForget Před 2 lety +5

      What would be wrong with adding barefoot running into the olympics, if their shoes are found to give them a considerable advantage?

    • @zionlee4594
      @zionlee4594 Před 2 lety +4

      @@SimonWoodburyForget the key here is that athletes wear different sneakers. but we cannot eradicate all types of "inequalities" as it is inherent in some sports. if we made the effort to eradicate such "unfair advantage," we would have to swim indoors one by one, all at the same temperature, etc.

    • @SimonWoodburyForget
      @SimonWoodburyForget Před 2 lety +1

      @@zionlee4594 I don't care much about _"inequality"_ I simply care about records being set in accordance to what the sport is supposed to be. What would you say if I took a bicycle to running competition? The philosophy of a running competition is clearly for a human to travel unassisted, so if shoes provide assistance, then how is it against that philosophy to not use them?

  • @BlackandChrome
    @BlackandChrome Před 3 lety +1049

    "We do not create any running shows that return more energy than the runner expends"
    Well at least they aren't breaking the laws of physics I guess.

    • @TheAlgerietop
      @TheAlgerietop Před 3 lety +31

      I thought so aswell, or they're putting engines of some kind in their shoes.

    • @stevethebarbarian9876
      @stevethebarbarian9876 Před 3 lety +28

      Rather than creating infinite energies, they're referring more to something like putting batteries in your shoes, which then apply some sort of actual force when you're running

    • @nightlight0x07cc
      @nightlight0x07cc Před 3 lety +2

      Now we need to see the compressed gas nitrous powered showed

    • @amralmatni6586
      @amralmatni6586 Před 3 lety +5

      They are talking about giving energy from another source like batteries or some chemical reactions maybe 😅

    • @krebgurfson5732
      @krebgurfson5732 Před 3 lety

      not sure if dumb, or making an obvious joke

  • @dchen2140
    @dchen2140 Před 4 lety +16413

    All I learned from this video is that I want the new Nike Vaporflys.

  • @jmcantila9104
    @jmcantila9104 Před 4 lety +3813

    If wearing a specified shoe for running makes the run illegitimate then we should just ignore any record unless it's done naked.

    • @dragonproductions236
      @dragonproductions236 Před 4 lety +287

      I mean by their logic you should also run on just dirt because track also gives you an unnatural advantage.

    • @OakenTome
      @OakenTome Před 4 lety +58

      DragonProductions Everyone’s running on the same track, not everyone can obtain these shoes.

    • @all4god650
      @all4god650 Před 4 lety +16

      @@OakenTome dirt track fields exsist

    • @roberth4395
      @roberth4395 Před 4 lety +109

      @@OakenTome You are such a close minded person. Why could not they? Holy cow that was dumb.
      A top tier athlete can go to a store put down the cash and buy a pair of shoes just like a nornal runner.
      Nobody forces sponsorship on them. If they take the cash for wearing and promoting an inferior product that is their fault.

    • @imagitext1342
      @imagitext1342 Před 4 lety +21

      Back to the original Olympics!

  • @prazonparajuli7346
    @prazonparajuli7346 Před 2 lety +82

    How can a “shoe” be considered cheating?
    Every shoe is supposed to give an advantage to the runner by reducing the stress their body takes.
    Comparing a pair of shoes with “doping” is not very wise.

  • @Ziabetus
    @Ziabetus Před 3 lety +44

    "they're so good it's causing controversy" has the same cringe as someone saying at a job interview "my biggest flaw is I work too hard."
    Dude shut up.

  • @steelfist43
    @steelfist43 Před 4 lety +3356

    Nike finally accomplishes their goal of creating the ultimate running shoe
    Shoe gets banned

    • @daib5364
      @daib5364 Před 4 lety +138

      That's how you know the shoes good and that's how Nike knows they did a good job

    • @Benardk4
      @Benardk4 Před 4 lety +12

      Sad, just sad!

    • @Benardk4
      @Benardk4 Před 4 lety +65

      How about everyone uses the shoe and we see who wins?!

    • @ducanhtran1852
      @ducanhtran1852 Před 4 lety +11

      Benard Kadima then adidas and other sneakers company will be bankrupted.

    • @Fijilost
      @Fijilost Před 4 lety +2

      Nike has gone through this before. It won’t last

  • @phillychilll6308
    @phillychilll6308 Před 3 lety +4089

    You'd think all running shoes were meant to improve running

    • @eddiep5078
      @eddiep5078 Před 3 lety +266

      That's what I was thinking too lol, they need to lay out what the criteria for an "unfair" advantage is, rather than just asserting that this is unfair because of the results

    • @subspacesausage5918
      @subspacesausage5918 Před 3 lety +118

      I feel like ”doesn't exert more energy than the runner puts in” is pretty straightforward.

    • @ulvschmidt7174
      @ulvschmidt7174 Před 3 lety +182

      @@subspacesausage5918 these don't magically add energy it conserves energy making the runner more efficent

    • @herbderbler1585
      @herbderbler1585 Před 3 lety +103

      If you take away modern shoes and track surfaces, rolling back to the technology used when the first four minute mile was achieved, about 95% of athletes who hold that record would be unable to repeat the feat. Athletic tech inevitably advances alongside material science and it's always so arbitrary how they determine was is and isn't an unfair advantage. Now to be fair, if the whole track is a different surface, that means all the runners are literally on an equal playing field. Shoe technology unfortunately starts moving into a pay-to-play conundrum for each competitor, but one can't bemoan that aspect too much as it exists in literally any sport.

    • @amit9838831064
      @amit9838831064 Před 3 lety +3

      Adidas ultraboost is best

  • @misterjones7929
    @misterjones7929 Před 3 lety +28

    As a 70 year old with over 40 years of distance running in legs, I find these shoes great for all round training as the combination of cushioning, stability and lightness reduce the chance of injury to my aged muscles and joints. The shoes give a nice feel of energy return to the stride, and if they increase my local parkrun pace to 9.30 min/miles from 10 min/miles, I can't imagine I'll be accused of having an unfair advantage on my feet..... :-)

    • @RagnarNomad
      @RagnarNomad Před rokem

      Shaving off 30secs on average run time per km is no joke, grandpa. If it can be such a huge improvement to you then imagine the effect on professional athletes in their prime?
      The technology itself is not bad, but it's bad that it created imbalance on the playing field, thus action(s) must be done to level the playing field again.

  • @chevyon37s
    @chevyon37s Před 3 lety +46

    Just like in auto racing, tire technology improves and the cars get faster and more efficient. Keep these shoes in the sport. The continual breaking of records is fine, and should be used as an example in the advancement in the human race not only how the human race has evolved but also how humans are able to manipulate inanimate object for advancement.
    To me if they ban a shoe for a running race, they must outlaw all shoes and should require runners to run barefoot if they truly want the most even playing field.

  • @Lazuardinho
    @Lazuardinho Před 4 lety +2999

    "Running shoes that return more energy than the runner expends"
    law of thermodynamics left the chat

    • @DarkPa1adin
      @DarkPa1adin Před 4 lety +223

      battery powered device has entered the chat.

    • @susanwojci
      @susanwojci Před 4 lety +4

      Timestamp?

    • @Quezonol
      @Quezonol Před 4 lety +11

      1:52

    • @kritarth
      @kritarth Před 4 lety +48

      You do not have enough understanding of mechanical science, in short thru the compressive strength and structure of the sole, additional elastic force can be supplied to runner legs, thats what they mean they that statement

    • @owenkay8908
      @owenkay8908 Před 4 lety +1

      Ground force

  • @oneeco
    @oneeco Před 4 lety +4472

    Imagine stopping innovation because a committee doesn't like better timing.
    Oh wait.

    • @cg1067
      @cg1067 Před 4 lety +11

      Lightbulb!

    • @lucifer9033
      @lucifer9033 Před 4 lety +10

      he cannot run anymore, that's his issue

    • @t_c5266
      @t_c5266 Před 4 lety +59

      What? Technology can make you go faster!? Time to allow bicycles and cars to improve times!

    • @Mikefeher1313
      @Mikefeher1313 Před 4 lety +24

      Stopping innovation? They’re just not allowing it in their sporting events ..

    • @nathanthom8176
      @nathanthom8176 Před 4 lety +59

      Except some countries track teams actually require sponsorships to fund them, so if your countries team isn't sponsored by Nike, you are automatically at a disadvantage.
      Also athletics are about what the human body can do, not what technology can make them do.

  • @timolsen8601
    @timolsen8601 Před 2 lety +21

    “Doing something to deliberately gain an unfair advantage” like wearing shoes rather than barefoot? Cool story

  • @kmcd6140
    @kmcd6140 Před 3 lety +19

    Seems like the Vapor Fly would provide better injury protection, as well, so I am all for finding a way to get these into the sport so that knock-offs can filter down to us plebes.

  • @weimpromptu
    @weimpromptu Před 4 lety +4116

    To level the playing field, everyone should wear Crocs.

    • @FarrFromPerfect
      @FarrFromPerfect Před 4 lety +69

      Now that's racing!

    • @aeta7978
      @aeta7978 Před 4 lety +104

      It wouldn't be fair, sport mode gives you +100 speed

    • @dunkyt
      @dunkyt Před 4 lety +37

      @@aeta7978 agreed, crocs are overpowered. Nerf it

    • @Zett76
      @Zett76 Před 4 lety +33

      How about just running barefoot? 🙂

    • @Jorge-125
      @Jorge-125 Před 4 lety +10

      Don't forget to use the ankle strap

  • @ethanluong3549
    @ethanluong3549 Před 4 lety +3469

    Nike: Innovates and breaks a barrier in running thought to be near impossible
    Committee: BANNED
    Nike: WHY
    Committee: The design threatens the integrity of the sport and is basically cheating
    Nike: We used a thin carbon fibre plate not a jet engine

    • @question_mark_1971
      @question_mark_1971 Před 4 lety +217

      They might as well make them run with just socks on or even barefoot

    • @inasaldinuguan785
      @inasaldinuguan785 Před 4 lety +76

      Sprinter's have spikes on their shoes but no one complained🤔

    • @inasaldinuguan785
      @inasaldinuguan785 Před 4 lety +104

      In the video it said that "These shoes give runners an unfair advantage" well spike shoes give sprinters an advantage and now everyone uses them in track

    • @MiniNinja258
      @MiniNinja258 Před 4 lety +2

      You Don't know me so everyone should use vaporflys lol

    • @j.s.3414
      @j.s.3414 Před 4 lety +11

      They didn't innovate anything...this entire design has been made for years by other companies. Placing a shank, and the sole design are in quite a few ultra marathon shoes.

  • @stevenshorten6184
    @stevenshorten6184 Před 2 lety +13

    The plate just keeps the foam from collapsing on the forefoot. It would be a very uncomfortable ride if it weren't there. It isn't a spring - it's a support piece. The foam is what is incredible on the shoe. The current design of the shoe is probably not doing you any favors biomechanically speaking. It's a cast on your foot that isn't allowing your foot to flex naturally. Expect some injuries.

    • @RagnarNomad
      @RagnarNomad Před rokem +1

      Nah, that plate can flex and return to its original shape: that is the definition of a spring. A spring does not always have to be a coil.

    • @stevenshorten6184
      @stevenshorten6184 Před rokem +1

      @@RagnarNomad Right, it's a compliant mechanism. But its flex is secondary to its stiffness. The shoe is shaped to roll - not flex. It does flex a bit like you said. But supercritical foams delaminate and behave poorly because of their inelastic nature and suspect bonding properties on textiles that are not also TPU-based.

    • @RagnarNomad
      @RagnarNomad Před rokem +1

      I got your point: the plate acts like a support to stabilize the athlete feet because of all that thick foam underneath.
      But this made me think a bit more: the plate by itself is not thing much, only by combining with that thick foam that they together create a "spring" and that "spring" aids the wearer of the shoes.
      One example is the leaf spring in truck, the leaves have different length thus having different elasticity but they work together to create a more comfortable ride on the truck.
      TLDR: the plate by itself does little but with glue and foam, they together work wonder, don't you agree?

    • @stevenshorten6184
      @stevenshorten6184 Před rokem

      @@RagnarNomad exactly right. The system they created with that combination of materials combined with precise geometry (shape) revolutionized the category.

  • @paulpat8845
    @paulpat8845 Před rokem +5

    I remember my friend introducing me to these shoes, i didn’t believe they would make a difference but my 1.5 mile run shed 1.5 mins. It helped me pass all my PT test. Ive had the same shoes for 5 years, only wear them once a year for my test.

  • @aurtisanminer2827
    @aurtisanminer2827 Před 4 lety +4827

    Shoes that’ll help protect runners from the continuous pounding motion that wears out their joints? Cant have that!

    • @andre9095
      @andre9095 Před 4 lety +195

      Aurtisan Miner it’s not SPORTS unless you’re getting HURT, unless it’s “doping” then you’re getting TOO hurt.
      Just watch football and don’t think about head trauma

    • @bethanygarcia3437
      @bethanygarcia3437 Před 4 lety +103

      Andrew Batz there’s a huge difference between feeling pain on a run/during a workout and getting an injury

    • @yeapthatsme2982
      @yeapthatsme2982 Před 4 lety +169

      @@andre9095 if u want pain...why even run with shoes...run naked...more pain...more game spirit !
      We live in age where advance technology is called cheating...

    • @roberth4395
      @roberth4395 Před 4 lety +90

      @@yeapthatsme2982 People who think like you truly dustgust me.
      I only use sticks and stones as tools. Also, I only wear animal skin and eat raw meat.

    • @yeapthatsme2982
      @yeapthatsme2982 Před 4 lety +36

      @@roberth4395 yep...boomers will NVR let the world change....

  • @charlesheld3082
    @charlesheld3082 Před 4 lety +2339

    "The need for a level playing field is exemplified."
    Then have them run barefoot.

    • @joshmedici
      @joshmedici Před 4 lety +167

      Or make them all wear Vaporfly's.

    • @neophobia404
      @neophobia404 Před 4 lety +39

      but what if someone "injures" themselves and gets surgery on their feet that makes them more aerodynamic :^)

    • @topethermohenes7658
      @topethermohenes7658 Před 4 lety +76

      Have them all have the same coach, the same food, the same training 😂

    • @INikeAir
      @INikeAir Před 4 lety +6

      You, my friend, are on to something

    • @awseko4732
      @awseko4732 Před 4 lety +21

      There will always be a ‘best’ shoe. Why does it matter? Its just that this shoe is easily noticeable

  • @brycerevo2058
    @brycerevo2058 Před 2 lety +12

    Eliud kipchoge had alphaflys on , and I don’t get how it’s an advantage if it’s available to everyone

    • @notgray88
      @notgray88 Před 2 lety +1

      But it isn't available to everyone. The shoe costs well over $200. Not everyone can justify spending that much on a pair of shoes.

    • @christopheradami-sampson2781
      @christopheradami-sampson2781 Před 2 lety +4

      @@notgray88 If long distance running is your profession then it doesn't matter the cost to you, you will pay for the advantage, if you run for fun why do you care about that extra 4% just have fun.

  • @freya1348
    @freya1348 Před 3 lety +23

    It seems to me like the vaporflys would reduce the impact and injury lots of running has on your body so I think thats a good thing

  • @knptennis7379
    @knptennis7379 Před 4 lety +2367

    This is one of the longest Nike ads I have ever seen.

    • @theseeker1694
      @theseeker1694 Před 4 lety +5

      KNP TENNIS exactly 😂

    • @realthoc
      @realthoc Před 4 lety +46

      all these "journalistic" documentary styled reports are just ads for nerds.

    • @AlbertoMazarro
      @AlbertoMazarro Před 4 lety

      agree

    • @lucascarman2578
      @lucascarman2578 Před 4 lety +15

      That's exactly what I said. I bet Nike paid this journalist or the Wall Street Journal to make this piece

    • @LordVodka313
      @LordVodka313 Před 4 lety +5

      Exactly. I'm not into running shoes and I'm sold on this.

  • @lesmalan
    @lesmalan Před 4 lety +2507

    "At Nike, we do not intend to build a shoe that return more energy than the runner expends. We have a strict policy to follow the laws of thermodynamics at Nike."

    • @DidAYoutubeBlackhole
      @DidAYoutubeBlackhole Před 4 lety +135

      hahaha I was thinking exactly this, then was like unless they stuck some rockets on there or some sort of battery powered bounce haha

    • @sebastiangorka200
      @sebastiangorka200 Před 4 lety +107

      "We at Nike can say with 100% certainty that this shoe does not contain or came into any contact with the substance known as flubber."

    • @pfendi
      @pfendi Před 4 lety +11

      Sebastian Gorka oh hey! A reference I get! Lol

    • @xavariusquest4603
      @xavariusquest4603 Před 4 lety +56

      I was wondering if anyone would catch that little gem. Though, they are being more than disingenuous because, based upon the structure shown, rather than protecting the foot and providing good contact with the road surface, this shoe reduces the energy required to accomplish motion...the shape and orientation of that carbon fiber plate isnt random. The effect of a faster time is created by the reduction in net energy required...you have more gas in the tank in the end.
      They have manufactured a shoe that no one else would because everyone else would correctly assume it could be banned. Personally, given Nikes business practices over the last 5 years...I suspect they hope it is banned for competitors because general consumer sales will explode.

    • @PolKsio
      @PolKsio Před 4 lety +19

      hahah that's too funny, bet that was written by engineers having a big laugh

  • @amandasmith7828
    @amandasmith7828 Před 2 lety +10

    If this was an issue of a private company having a proprietary shoe that only certain athletes have access to, then I could see the issue. However these are sold commercially, so I'm not understanding the controversy. Shoe technology will continue to change shoe design (lighter, better energy return), and as long as all runners have equal access to these shoes, then it's a non-issue.

    • @B00merBob
      @B00merBob Před rokem

      Too bad for those sponsored by other shoe companies.

  • @joehill4094
    @joehill4094 Před 3 lety +15

    The ads are evolving

  • @MrDlt123
    @MrDlt123 Před 3 lety +3775

    While wearing my vaporflys, I watched this 8 minute video in 6 minutes.

    • @rajkumarsinghrathore2659
      @rajkumarsinghrathore2659 Před 3 lety +57

      Wrong it would be around 7.68 min coz.. vaporflys reduces only 4 percent of time Lol!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣

    • @JoeShopper
      @JoeShopper Před 3 lety +13

      I was only wearing one Vaporfly and one Danish Clog. I broke an ankle. You'll never guess which one.

    • @zafrylaiman8695
      @zafrylaiman8695 Před 3 lety +3

      @@JoeShopper i will never know because you didn't specify you wore which shoe on which foot

    • @JoeShopper
      @JoeShopper Před 3 lety +15

      @@zafrylaiman8695 Here's the thing, I was wearing them on my hands.

    • @rubenmontano5589
      @rubenmontano5589 Před 3 lety

      @@JoeShopper hahahahahahahahahaha

  • @sayakgupta3068
    @sayakgupta3068 Před 3 lety +2186

    Solution:
    1. Make people run barefooted.
    2. Make every athlete wear Nike vaporfly.

    • @Commentoidiota
      @Commentoidiota Před 3 lety +161

      3. Regulate the equipment like every other sport, so companies can still make improvements without taking away the achievements of the athletes

    • @AmanRai-rq3eg
      @AmanRai-rq3eg Před 3 lety +104

      There are 2 problems here:
      1. Barefooting obviously doesn't work as it would be damaging to the athletes' feet in the long term
      2. Athletes are sponsored by exclusive companies like Puma and Adidas, so they can't wear the Vaporfly now even if they want to (otherwise they lose the sponsorship money). If the Vaporfly is made compulsory it effectively puts all companies out of competition, and gives a huge unfair business advantage to Nike. It basically stifles further innovation in running shoe field as there would be no incentive for Nike to improve

    • @kirisei6632
      @kirisei6632 Před 3 lety +17

      @@AmanRai-rq3eg they chose the wrong lousy sponsorship company.😂
      Losers are just trash at whatever they are competing. If they are really talented, NIKE will approach them automatically for a sponsorship. So we know the whining people are the real salty LOSER blaming everything and everyone but themselves.

    • @SugarKalamay
      @SugarKalamay Před 3 lety +7

      @@AmanRai-rq3eg you must be fun at parties mr. explanation

    • @AmanRai-rq3eg
      @AmanRai-rq3eg Před 3 lety +13

      @@SugarKalamay If only we had parties now :P

  • @bearnaked2128
    @bearnaked2128 Před 8 měsíci +1

    If they want fairness among athletes, then there should be uniform shoes during the competition.

  • @kitlorenz6973
    @kitlorenz6973 Před 2 lety +4

    I always have problems/pains with the muscles in my feet/legs from running/workouts using fake shoes. I wonder how it feels wearing original shoes much more this performance enhancing shoes.

  • @itsv1p3r
    @itsv1p3r Před 4 lety +1996

    *man invents the first shoe*
    runners: this destroys the sport of running, running should only be done barefoot so it's an even playing field.

    • @maxwellmorrison1911
      @maxwellmorrison1911 Před 4 lety +42

      Exactly just the shoe of the sport evolving

    • @lokksiders__2151
      @lokksiders__2151 Před 4 lety +92

      You have different foot compared to mine. It's unfair.

    • @itsv1p3r
      @itsv1p3r Před 4 lety +58

      LokKsiders__ you're simply a better athlete than me... UNFAIR

    • @gracefool
      @gracefool Před 4 lety +11

      To be fair, this *was* the agreed upon position of the ancient Olympics. Barefoot is pure.

    • @NPCSN
      @NPCSN Před 4 lety +33

      According to that guy... anything you do that will give you an advantage is cheating...
      Guess I shouldn’t go to the gym to get a conditioning and strength advantage... 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @s.2314
    @s.2314 Před 4 lety +3026

    Give everyone vapor flys so everyone has the same "advantage".
    solved case

    • @santoshmoopanar6584
      @santoshmoopanar6584 Před 4 lety +186

      Athletes are sponsored by different companies they... Just can't wear any shoes

    • @rowanfitzgerald3250
      @rowanfitzgerald3250 Před 4 lety +90

      The thing not mentioned in this video is that they cost 250$ and not everyone can afford this :)

    • @worldwidewarriors8568
      @worldwidewarriors8568 Před 4 lety +373

      yes because $250 is not affordable for elite athletes that compete for money

    • @madil2259
      @madil2259 Před 4 lety +14

      Give? You mean give away new shoes for free?

    • @riripari2042
      @riripari2042 Před 4 lety +31

      @@rowanfitzgerald3250 Exactly. I looked them up immediately. Thought I'd try and buy a pair to help me on my next pt test. Not trying to break any records, just want an easier time while doing a 2 mile run.

  • @locketpop3851
    @locketpop3851 Před 3 lety +8

    After this video...IM DEFINITELY GONNA BUY THEM Nike needs to thank you for the free advertisement

  • @DeBenedettiD
    @DeBenedettiD Před rokem +1

    They left out the most important part. The VaporFlys carbon fiber plate within the midsole takes the shape of a rigid arc. When flattened in stride the plate wants to return to its original arc shape, that’s where the assistance(spring) is coming from.

  • @crafty2715
    @crafty2715 Před 4 lety +2675

    They’re just shoes man it’s not a drug, it’s like banning leggings because they run better than pants

    • @jthepickle7
      @jthepickle7 Před 4 lety +14

      BAN LEGGING! oh oh time to stop commenting

    • @merivesi7021
      @merivesi7021 Před 4 lety +61

      But by that logic people could be running with springs strapped to their feet, even though that's not really fair either.

    • @hanphilnoffz8827
      @hanphilnoffz8827 Před 4 lety +1

      Or tight short short

    • @NeoRimeOnline
      @NeoRimeOnline Před 4 lety +13

      Leggings are banned in swimming.

    • @king_has_no_clothskul8635
      @king_has_no_clothskul8635 Před 4 lety +34

      wrong. it gives unfair advantage. how do you expect ugandans,somalians and kenyians to shelve 400 dollars for the shoes? unless companies can sponsor not even govt can get the shoes. well, they dont rely on shoes. they beat all the mofos with bare-foot. marathons are run on man made asphalt, that is why you need some sort of quality shoes but not 400 or 250 plus dollar shoes. come on now!

  • @Miss_Annlaug
    @Miss_Annlaug Před 4 lety +3494

    I'm sorry: but is a shoe is classified as "doping" then so is healthy diet and training. I mean honestly. This is rediculous

    • @sashaevin
      @sashaevin Před 4 lety +61

      Ridiculous*

    • @topethermohenes7658
      @topethermohenes7658 Před 4 lety +209

      If they want pure person to person competition they should all receive the same training, the same food, the same coach, it's rediculous alright

    • @DrJRMCFC
      @DrJRMCFC Před 4 lety +12

      Not it’s not.

    • @geyotepilkington2892
      @geyotepilkington2892 Před 4 lety +20

      no, its purpleous

    • @Kriophoros
      @Kriophoros Před 4 lety +1

      To be fair, doping has been accessible to top level for a long time. If it aint broke, dont fix it /s

  • @alejandroo.m.9700
    @alejandroo.m.9700 Před 2 lety +9

    As someone that actually does track and field i can say that it's a fair advantage, because at the ends of the day you're the one wearing them, it's not like wearing them will magically turn you into an olympic gold medallist

  • @samw6457
    @samw6457 Před rokem +1

    Feels like pure Nike marketing. Sponsor the best runners that would’ve won anyway and then blame the shoes and create controversy around how good they are by partnering with media like wsj. I just want these shoes more than ever now.

  • @normanpoole213
    @normanpoole213 Před 4 lety +1866

    I don’t think we should ban them it’s like saying no to innovation

    • @stevenr3544
      @stevenr3544 Před 4 lety +9

      putting some carbon fibre into a shoe omG thAt Is So INnoVaTiVe

    • @manuelramos5701
      @manuelramos5701 Před 4 lety +108

      @@stevenr3544 then why didn't you do it 10 years ago and beat nike to the punch?

    • @DrJRMCFC
      @DrJRMCFC Před 4 lety +3

      fine, but the world records can’t stand otherwise just let non Nike athletes blood dope

    • @doormantdarner7815
      @doormantdarner7815 Před 4 lety +5

      J R Just let adidas make as good a copy as they can of these shoes and then everyone is equal. Running shoes have innovated so much in the last 80 years. It’s a question of natural selection, adapt or die.

    • @ericramos1916
      @ericramos1916 Před 4 lety +9

      We should ban them. Running should be what the human can do. We can maximize training, get lightweight gear and get ultra flat ground to run on, but that is just restricting the human body as little as possible. These shoes add on to what a person can do, they go past the human body instead of getting as close as possible to just a person

  • @RealestKraken56
    @RealestKraken56 Před 3 lety +2915

    "The Tokyo olympics around the corner this summer"
    Uh oh he didn’t know

    • @elslord16
      @elslord16 Před 3 lety +6

      at least it around this year summer

    • @DankMemes-gm1th
      @DankMemes-gm1th Před 3 lety +54

      @@elslord16 Not trying to depress you but IDK about that one chief...

    • @Dave_the_Dave
      @Dave_the_Dave Před 3 lety +5

      Big corner

    • @willreilly7120
      @willreilly7120 Před 3 lety

      @@venkateshsrinivasan8457 how

    • @reubencass187
      @reubencass187 Před 3 lety +3

      @@willreilly7120 the algorithm specifically requested it

  • @cpfarms8994
    @cpfarms8994 Před 3 lety +22

    Love kids making my shoes! Their little fingers stitch perfectly!!

    • @shubham4845
      @shubham4845 Před 2 lety +1

      😂 😂 😂 😂 Underrated comment

  • @willemm
    @willemm Před 3 lety +13

    I use them as well, and not to improve my amazingly slow times, but because I think it's better for my knees, which were always hurting after a run in other shoes.

    • @misterjones7929
      @misterjones7929 Před 3 lety +3

      I agree - see my comment above. These shoes may take a few crucial seconds off the times of world class runners, but they also have the capability of reducing the chance of injury in ageing slow joggers like myself. Worth paying the premium price for in my opinion.

  • @kholilialif5515
    @kholilialif5515 Před 4 lety +1890

    Item: Vaporfly (Legendary)
    Type: Shoes
    Attribute: +4% speed

    • @ProjectPsyche
      @ProjectPsyche Před 4 lety +23

      That stats is quite low for a legendary item dont you think

    • @Theaverageazn247
      @Theaverageazn247 Před 4 lety +96

      @@ProjectPsyche devs are planning on removing it next patch. too OP

    • @dustinropp
      @dustinropp Před 4 lety +42

      @@ProjectPsyche not if all other shoes have lower stats

    • @adrianblood652
      @adrianblood652 Před 4 lety +2

      Or they'll put out a f2p version and nerf it next season.....

    • @aqwalth1172
      @aqwalth1172 Před 4 lety +2

      Dev will nerf this shoes in the next update

  • @lindastonebraker2512
    @lindastonebraker2512 Před 4 lety +6886

    The fact that they’re actually relieving physical stress on the body is reason enough to use them!

    • @TatharNuar
      @TatharNuar Před 4 lety +86

      Reason enough to ban everything else.

    • @illegallemur4024
      @illegallemur4024 Před 4 lety +184

      I have terrible knees so I’m game for those bad boys

    • @Leksuttaja149
      @Leksuttaja149 Před 4 lety +70

      lets introduce bionic suits to weightlifting since it relieve stress on the muscles!!

    • @mihnealazar7039
      @mihnealazar7039 Před 4 lety +17

      Cool but not all can afford these shoes. Let’s offer them for free to every team from every country and then make them legal at marathons!

    • @simplyruben3184
      @simplyruben3184 Před 4 lety +102

      @@mihnealazar7039 oh ok. so you say professional athletes that run at Olympics can't afford a $150 pair of shoes while they make huge salary's? yeah sure. 😂

  • @johnhull2582
    @johnhull2582 Před rokem +1

    Having flatfeet, I have asked more than one podiatrist if it was possible to get a carbon fiber or spring steel plate arch support that went the entire length of the foot. I see someone listened.

  • @brid5970
    @brid5970 Před 3 lety +1

    This is the same argument from the 2000 Sydney Olympics. Australian swimmers banned from bodysuit swimwear and the controversy of track runner Cathy Freeman’s running suit. It’s upgrades to materials and design and should be up to each team to innovate for themselves.

  • @LOZ8619
    @LOZ8619 Před 4 lety +2087

    if they ban them I already see the new slogan: "illegally fast"

    • @Moocow2003
      @Moocow2003 Před 4 lety +63

      This is GREAT advertising for the shoes 😂

    • @yousefabdelmonem3788
      @yousefabdelmonem3788 Před 4 lety +33

      Watch cause your slogan might get stolen
      Illegally

    • @gulaugurgunnarsson6268
      @gulaugurgunnarsson6268 Před 4 lety +13

      @Random Autonomous Drone Pilot yes you can? Nike already has a patent on the "just do it" phrase

    • @Stopdahate994
      @Stopdahate994 Před 4 lety +4

      Random Autonomous Drone Pilot trade marking a phrase is a thing, look it up

    • @zacker150
      @zacker150 Před 4 lety +6

      @@Stopdahate994 that was literally his entire point "it's called trademark not patent"

  • @SUPPORTYOURSELF
    @SUPPORTYOURSELF Před 4 lety +3463

    This is the longest Nike ad I've ever seen.

    • @ferretworld4031
      @ferretworld4031 Před 4 lety +11

      They are literally talking about the DISADVANTAGES of the shoes. Did you even watch the video?

    • @turborooster8548
      @turborooster8548 Před 4 lety +120

      @@ferretworld4031 No, they are saying the shoe is so good that people want to buy it. Are you stupid?

    • @ferretworld4031
      @ferretworld4031 Před 4 lety +8

      @@turborooster8548 yeah they "want to bad it", are YOU stupid?

    • @turborooster8548
      @turborooster8548 Před 4 lety +29

      @@ferretworld4031 When in the video did they ever say they "want to bad it"?

    • @ferretworld4031
      @ferretworld4031 Před 4 lety +3

      @@turborooster8548 No, that's what YOU said in your first comment! Might wanna go check that buddy.

  • @TheNextraa
    @TheNextraa Před rokem +1

    Why is it always the reaction when there's a technological advancement in sports to ban the innovation and not embrace it?

  • @jimmybobbyjoe
    @jimmybobbyjoe Před rokem +2

    This opens the discussion that's been hushed for centuries in running: What is the limit? What is the limit of what is and is not considered cheating? If the vaporfly is cheating, what's to say that wearing any shoe isn't cheating, if someone is running barefoot? If I have any opinion it's that the only solution is to have a standardized shoe to measure the true running capability of the runner- not their shoes.

  • @simonmcneilly55
    @simonmcneilly55 Před 3 lety +5121

    “ doesn’t return more energy than the runner expends “. Well thanks for not breaking the laws of physics at least.

    • @gangisspawn1
      @gangisspawn1 Před 3 lety +101

      Lol I thought the same thing.

    • @buckiesmalls
      @buckiesmalls Před 3 lety +120

      Right.. By the logic one could jump to the moon after several hops..

    • @AR-no5ud
      @AR-no5ud Před 3 lety +195

      I bet some materials scientist got a kick out of writing that to their boss.

    • @elliotdeclet594
      @elliotdeclet594 Před 3 lety +64

      its totally possible for a shoe to return more energy than expended using modern technology, the whole point of the statement is that they arent doing anything like that

    • @alicangul2603
      @alicangul2603 Před 3 lety +85

      @@elliotdeclet594 How would that work? Stationary asphalt doesn't generate energy. Where would the energy come from?

  • @patreekotime4578
    @patreekotime4578 Před 4 lety +2586

    Why is the only solution of a "level playing field" to ban the superior shoes instead of mandate them? Especially if the design provides more comfort and reduces chance of injury?

    • @starlight5123
      @starlight5123 Před 4 lety +84

      Exactly its dumb

    • @92ireland92
      @92ireland92 Před 4 lety +143

      Dont even need to mandate them. Just make it an option available to all competitors

    • @LuLu-lh1hz
      @LuLu-lh1hz Před 4 lety +7

      Ireland exactly!

    • @kikalcala
      @kikalcala Před 4 lety +7

      My thoughts during the whole video.

    • @jacobschmidt1631
      @jacobschmidt1631 Před 4 lety +39

      Because some competitors can not afford some shoes if they are made very expensive. If Nike made a cheaper version, it wouldn’t be an issue

  • @richardgentry5589
    @richardgentry5589 Před 2 lety +1

    We basically just watched a 8min Nike ad.

  • @zacharyfindlay-maddox171
    @zacharyfindlay-maddox171 Před 8 měsíci

    I'm 42, I love running and I started wearing the Vaporfly's because I don't feel as much pain and soreness the next day. I wish these shoes were around when I was younger, I think I would have prevented wear and tear on my body.

  • @Howlett9999
    @Howlett9999 Před 3 lety +2114

    I never thought I would click an 8 minutes Nike ad by myself

    • @maheshjayakumar569
      @maheshjayakumar569 Před 3 lety +35

      That's what they want, and seeing the comments everyone fell for it.

    • @23sleng
      @23sleng Před 3 lety +6

      Yeah lol people going in like this isn’t a commercial

    • @Qeengish
      @Qeengish Před 3 lety +6

      I don’t even run and I want these shoes

    • @maheshjayakumar569
      @maheshjayakumar569 Před 3 lety +3

      Classic example of how smart people entrap the dumb ones

    • @Sneax673
      @Sneax673 Před 3 lety +3

      I was thinking this exact same thing a minute in lol

  • @helpme4330
    @helpme4330 Před 4 lety +2404

    This is like a teacher finding mistakes in your exam when you got a perfect score.

    • @w1z4rd9
      @w1z4rd9 Před 4 lety +1

      Lezz zz lol

    • @ashishsaimon6511
      @ashishsaimon6511 Před 4 lety +11

      By cheating

    • @Jamac007
      @Jamac007 Před 4 lety +83

      @@ashishsaimon6511 cheating and innovation are 2 deferent things

    • @88thBusStop
      @88thBusStop Před 4 lety +69

      Jamac007 wearing any type of shoes by definition is cheating. Nature hardened your heals by design. All shoes should be banned.

    • @starrysock
      @starrysock Před 4 lety +9

      @@Jamac007 bringing a calculator to the math test isn't "innovation"
      A math test is about your ability to do math, a marathon is about human endurance. Making it more than that turns it into a contest of how much we can artificially boost someone's skill, not who has the most skill.

  • @carolinelong9652
    @carolinelong9652 Před rokem +2

    It sounds like the only way to truly make this fair is to make everyone run barefoot from now on.

  • @ragetobe
    @ragetobe Před 2 lety +24

    Strictly from an average runner who covers 5k runs at 4am before work everyday I can say the vapourfly and tempo next % are the best trainers I’ve ever worn, they make me feel safe from injury and confident in pushing myself. I don’t race anyone but myself and it won’t affect me if they get banned but I guess it will mean Nike don’t make trainers like them anymore which would be upsetting as I felt like I finally found the perfect trainers.

  • @definitelynotcole
    @definitelynotcole Před 3 lety +2406

    I wouldn't be surprised that this whole "controversy" was manufactured by Nike's marketing team.

    • @raptorduck8785
      @raptorduck8785 Před 3 lety +49

      This is not the first time something like this happens. The Olympics Comite is stupid.

    • @hebson21
      @hebson21 Před 3 lety +29

      Remember, its all about the equipment, not the athlete. Goes the same for golf, cycling, and any other premium sport...

    • @seanwool
      @seanwool Před 3 lety +4

      You're catching on.

    • @remipepelko9201
      @remipepelko9201 Před 3 lety +6

      @@hebson21 cycling is pretty even, at least in grand tours and other uci regulated races, mostly because of weight limits and lack of aero advancement significant within uci limits.

    • @AnnSisuLiv
      @AnnSisuLiv Před 3 lety

      Bingo

  • @jonm3024
    @jonm3024 Před 3 lety +1991

    Using this logic, i guess the only "fair" way to compete would be barefoot and naked?

    • @allisontallantmcculley1047
      @allisontallantmcculley1047 Před 3 lety +251

      Like the Greeks did it back in the ancient olympics

    • @warlordnipple
      @warlordnipple Před 3 lety +16

      @@kalecardenas9645
      Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.
      www.ancient.eu/article/20/ancient-greek-clothing/#:~:text=The%20Greeks%20were%20not%20particularly,barefoot%20for%20his%20entire%20life.
      Greeks rarely wore shoes. If they did it was sandals or boots, which usually don't count as shoes.

    • @simoncarrington166
      @simoncarrington166 Před 3 lety +39

      I don't remember seeing any depictions of ancient Greeks wearing shoes... And I doubt they ran in sandals

    • @blairbuskirk5460
      @blairbuskirk5460 Před 3 lety +30

      @@kalecardenas9645 while the ancient Greeks did have clothing and sandals they weren't used in Olympic competition. Kind of like we have semiautomatic rifles but don't use them for biathlon competition.

    • @kalecardenas9645
      @kalecardenas9645 Před 3 lety +1

      @@warlordnipple they never had “shoes” but they did where foot wear

  • @supKEVEN
    @supKEVEN Před 2 lety +1

    Dude looked so comfortable running in the vaporflys

  • @technologygamers9505
    @technologygamers9505 Před rokem

    someone tell me how can i order this shoe
    PlZ🙏

  • @inoita11
    @inoita11 Před 4 lety +1532

    I'm gonna run the Boston Marathon in steel toe boots, anyone that wears anything better than those I will consider cheaters.

    • @user-ii3kn8zz1k
      @user-ii3kn8zz1k Před 4 lety +87

      you nailed it, it doesn't really make sence. Shoes are always getting better

    • @gabrielduarte3904
      @gabrielduarte3904 Před 4 lety +6

      @@user-ii3kn8zz1k yes, but no.. because he would be putting himself willingly in disadvantage

    • @necromancerbb
      @necromancerbb Před 4 lety +51

      @@gabrielduarte3904 the point stands then... anyone NOT using the vapourfly's would be putting themselves at a distinct disadvantage. Precisely as inoita11 said.

    • @pottasium7117
      @pottasium7117 Před 4 lety +29

      nobody:
      caveman boomer be like: "you use shoe, i barefoot. You CHEAT!!"

    • @SpiderDibs
      @SpiderDibs Před 4 lety +11

      Solution! It's required for _everyone_ to wear them! Boom chakalaka

  • @ludo3375
    @ludo3375 Před 3 lety +2414

    Engineering a shoe so well that wearing it is considered cheating. Incredible. That's an amazing feat

    • @footyhub3259
      @footyhub3259 Před 3 lety +36

      Props to Nike.

    • @willhooke
      @willhooke Před 3 lety +150

      *amazing feet

    • @hanklesacks
      @hanklesacks Před 3 lety +12

      Great ad as well

    • @BrielleHater1224
      @BrielleHater1224 Před 3 lety +3

      @Eduardo Babyhands I would say that that is the case but so much data says differently. Like the general increase in fast times from these hyper shoes, and the VO2 max testing done on individual athletes in and out of the vapormax.

    • @sneerbums2528
      @sneerbums2528 Před 3 lety +3

      Nike Stonks 📈📈

  • @danielyadgarov2344
    @danielyadgarov2344 Před 3 lety +1

    This seems a lot like the lzr racer from swimming (swimmer here) in that case all full body suits were banned for men allowing only jammers but material had no limits. So maybe in running you could make a general fit and layout of the shoe that all companies must ablige by but make materials a choice.

  • @onidevogel6597
    @onidevogel6597 Před 4 lety +671

    Imagine designing such a good shoe they say it's cheating

    • @KongsiILmu-dh5yj
      @KongsiILmu-dh5yj Před 4 lety +1

      God be like; *W H Y*

    • @DeluxxMuin
      @DeluxxMuin Před 4 lety +13

      The same thing happened to the vehicle: Dodge Demon. It was so fast that it was banned in most drag strips and tracks, but it's also a production car you can get right off the lot

    • @DeluxxMuin
      @DeluxxMuin Před 4 lety

      @@GigglyDucky thanks for the info!! I only vaguely remembered the video

    • @ahastar1141
      @ahastar1141 Před 4 lety

      The single best marketing ever

  • @kenanbegic5862
    @kenanbegic5862 Před 4 lety +1225

    When you're so good they call you a cheater. Adorable.

    • @user-gl1ny5hz8y
      @user-gl1ny5hz8y Před 4 lety +4

      Alborn Messchussets fr

    • @genki2705
      @genki2705 Před 4 lety +6

      you didn't watch the video.

    • @kenanbegic5862
      @kenanbegic5862 Před 4 lety +4

      @@genki2705 but............ I did

    • @tmuto5119
      @tmuto5119 Před 4 lety +3

      @@kenanbegic5862 bc its not the person thats good. Obvs they are but the shoes give them a big advantage

    • @kenanbegic5862
      @kenanbegic5862 Před 4 lety +8

      @@tmuto5119 But... if you were to run in normal street shoes vs. any running shoe, the running shoe has an advantage. At the end the runner literally said it's nicer to run in Nike ones because they're comfier, so they should be banned?

  • @nestosauce
    @nestosauce Před 3 lety +2

    Scientist who created an innovative next-gen shoe: AM I A JOKE TO YOU 😐

  • @Phosfit
    @Phosfit Před rokem +1

    7:40 This test has someone run a mile with one product on then follow up with another product and run another mile. Problem: the flawed test.

  • @BladeMasterz916
    @BladeMasterz916 Před 4 lety +2164

    Nobody has an advantage, because everybody is wearing them.

    • @anonymous1burger
      @anonymous1burger Před 4 lety +38

      Capitalism: do things for utility's sake and natural competition will regulate it.
      Athletics: artificially create competition so that un-useful things can be retained.

    • @swng314
      @swng314 Před 4 lety +6

      Swimming becoming finswimming because everyone starts using flippers

    • @cyjan3k823
      @cyjan3k823 Před 4 lety +16

      People who are sponsored by adidas Just cant

    • @BladeMasterz916
      @BladeMasterz916 Před 4 lety +4

      @@cyjan3k823 sucks for them lol

    • @douglei897
      @douglei897 Před 4 lety +3

      @@swng314 . flippers slows you down when you do the kick turns and that's why nobody uses them.

  • @Alertacobra12
    @Alertacobra12 Před 4 lety +710

    "Shoes so good they're banned in competitive running" - Nike 2020

    • @johncapodilupo6876
      @johncapodilupo6876 Před 4 lety

      Alertacobra 12 copied

    • @neixen-
      @neixen- Před 4 lety +5

      Yeah they need to be banned because they are good for the athletes that are sponsored by Nike, but what about the athletes that aren't sponsored by Nike????
      To everyone saying that this is "stupid", I really wanna hear your super effective ideas to solve the problem.

    • @RMBII91
      @RMBII91 Před 4 lety +1

      "Comments so good I copy them from other people for likes" - Alertacobra 12

    • @RoyontheHill
      @RoyontheHill Před 4 lety

      @@neixen- other companys make there own sci fi shoes so there athletes have a better chance

    • @thiyagarajans9014
      @thiyagarajans9014 Před 4 lety +3

      @@neixen- do u watch F1. Do all teams have same engine manufacturers. Let's c Mercedes keeps on winning ban them. It's upto ferrari or the competitors to bring something unique on their own. Or take cricket do all batsman have bats made of similar material

  • @awesomeperson7782
    @awesomeperson7782 Před 3 lety +3

    This is like saying “that guys only good because he has a badass gaming chair”

  • @TheRealHaloLover
    @TheRealHaloLover Před rokem +1

    I feel like they are made specifically for road running. I don't think they might even hinder you on trail runs with how much more nibble you have to be

  • @metal4ever516
    @metal4ever516 Před 3 lety +1910

    That's not cheating, that's innovation. If I run a 5k race with regular running shoes against an opponent with sandals, have I cheated, or did I just bring the right tool with me? It's not like doping. Let Nike keep their shoes. Eventually, other manufacturers will find ways to replicate the system and catch up. This is brilliant advertising for Nike.

    • @DatGinnga
      @DatGinnga Před rokem +93

      Now the question is, is an Olympic race a contest of innovation, or of the human body and will

    • @drabadraba101
      @drabadraba101 Před rokem +137

      @@DatGinnga if you look over a list of Olympic sports, most of them use equipment. Separating the innovation from these sports doesn't make much sense to me. For running, it could be standardized by having everyone run barefoot, but that's a bit ridiculous

    • @DatGinnga
      @DatGinnga Před rokem +58

      @@drabadraba101 I actually work out barefooted myself but I agree lol, but I don’t think the innovation should be up to the athlete to acquire, as that’s not the spirit of the contest. maybe have a standardized Olympic board that chooses the best available gear, and issues it to all participants

    • @drabadraba101
      @drabadraba101 Před rokem +23

      @@DatGinnga that seems kinda fair to me. In this case, what about shoe size or arch support or whatever. A single shoe doesn't work, every athlete has a slightly different body which is optimized by different designs

    • @mohammedhussain6749
      @mohammedhussain6749 Před rokem +1

      In your analogy there was in what to run in but with these shoes you’re in a known distinct disadvantage. You’re running at 100% whilst they’re running at 104-105% if they wearing the shoes and you’re not

  • @missvanjie905
    @missvanjie905 Před 4 lety +789

    3 minutes in and they still haven’t explained HOW the shoes give anyone an advantage

    • @manchuratt8900
      @manchuratt8900 Před 4 lety +59

      This annoyed me as well.

    • @mish2773
      @mish2773 Před 4 lety +24

      A bit about the foam they use in planes

    • @andrzejsupermocny2386
      @andrzejsupermocny2386 Před 4 lety +61

      B O U N C Y

    • @mish2773
      @mish2773 Před 4 lety +3

      Andrzej Supermocny you can see the jiggle in the steps ;)

    • @DrMack9696
      @DrMack9696 Před 4 lety +80

      They have a carbon plate in them which functions essentially as the springy legs amputee runners use... I'm not sure why this was not more thoroughly addressed here....

  • @noelle3308
    @noelle3308 Před 2 lety +1

    The reason Kipchoge was so successful; he spends 8 months a year running marathons 4 days a week in the high altitude mountains of Kenya. I'm glad footwear is improving, its protecting athletes joints and prolonging their health. I don't think any professional runner would have a problem with this shoe or any advanced footwear.

    • @ezura4760
      @ezura4760 Před rokem +1

      Yeah they make it sound like any old dude can get up off the couch, dust off the Cheeto crumbs and burger stains, tie on a pair of Vaporflys and then go break records…

  • @jerrysmith5782
    @jerrysmith5782 Před 3 lety +1

    Nike: "...we do not create any running shoes
    that return more energy than the runner expends".
    If that's Nike's standard, then they shouldn't object to competing against my shoes...which have an uncanny resemblance to a bicycle.

  • @rydohg
    @rydohg Před 4 lety +686

    This is the greatest Nike ad I've seen. Running shoes so good they might get banned? Deal me in

    • @Turbo329
      @Turbo329 Před 4 lety +15

      Yup, gonna order mine. Lol. I have plantar fasciitis so this is an incredible breakthrough for us flat-footers. hahahahahahhaha

    • @SmallHalfBeard
      @SmallHalfBeard Před 4 lety +16

      Nike has been doing stuff like this for years. Same thing with the "Banned" Air Jordan 1 and Airship

    • @willyjaybobindy3402
      @willyjaybobindy3402 Před 4 lety +17

      Exactly how Jordans became known, right? MJ wasn’t supposed to wear them due to a ban and did anyway...boom. A legendary shoe is born.

    • @rubeluddin87
      @rubeluddin87 Před 4 lety +2

      I already own 2 pairs will order another next month. A bit expensive tho at £250 a pop but it’s worth it

    • @jordachejordan90
      @jordachejordan90 Před 4 lety +2

      Ur right. When something is banned it adds more to the shoe's prestige. Nike is still making money off the Air Jordan 1 being 'banned.'

  • @thelead1565
    @thelead1565 Před 4 lety +276

    Unless you’re going to make everyone wear the same shoe brand and model, it makes no sense to ban one.

    • @1DrnkCnuk
      @1DrnkCnuk Před 4 lety +31

      Might as well force everyone to run barefoot and have them separated into different categories based on foot arch.

    • @theshanamaster
      @theshanamaster Před 4 lety +6

      It's just like not letting anyone have steak because a baby cant eat it

    • @-COBRA
      @-COBRA Před 4 lety +1

      or force all to run barefoot

    • @shayslay3416
      @shayslay3416 Před 4 lety +2

      @@theshanamaster that's honestly not a good comparison. The shoe and the steaks are the variables. A baby literally can't eat a steak, but all the runners can wear the vaporflys.
      It's more like people eating soup faster with a soup spoon vs people eating soup with a teaspoon, because the people are the constants, and the spoons are the variables, but they can still pick their own spoon.

    • @risktaker141
      @risktaker141 Před 4 lety

      @@shayslay3416 wow, no one cares

  • @FutureofGD
    @FutureofGD Před rokem +1

    It's unfortunate that people are upset by the vaporfly and by the swimsuit. Both are completely accessible to all participating athletes and they can choose to use them. If they chose not to use them then they must feel that the equipment they have is better suited for their performance.

  • @navypinkdesign
    @navypinkdesign Před rokem +1

    just gift every competitor a pair. literally level the playing field

  • @samiammunoz6854
    @samiammunoz6854 Před 4 lety +1092

    changing the physiology of your body and wearing very well designed shoes are completely different things

    • @saroche
      @saroche Před 4 lety +6

      Yeah, you’re cheating in both though.

    • @Drae2g2
      @Drae2g2 Před 4 lety +34

      Cheating like taking steroids to make you stronger and faster. It's just a freaking innovative shoe!!

    • @taekwondotime
      @taekwondotime Před 4 lety +4

      True but it's still cheating. All that will happen is we'll see EVERY runner switch to this brand of shoes (or we'll see one particular brand of shoes mandated for all runners), and that will remove the competitive advantage. That's the only way to maintain a level playing field.

    • @weyjei3709
      @weyjei3709 Před 4 lety +15

      Then what about the hardwork and innovation done by nike, isn't it unfair for them

    • @nrc91
      @nrc91 Před 4 lety +13

      How is it cheating when all companies have the opportunity to make a better shoe 🤨

  • @THESLlCK
    @THESLlCK Před 3 lety +3707

    The first time a shoe company delivers on its promises, it gets banned

    • @Minecraftmaster684
      @Minecraftmaster684 Před 3 lety +152

      This is correct, we probably won’t see innovation like this anymore because shoe companies don’t want their shoes banned

    • @THESLlCK
      @THESLlCK Před 3 lety +42

      @@Minecraftmaster684 Or we just change the rulebooks. Then again, we'll probably end up with mechanical running shoes with full-on rebound springs like those sprint boots with spring feet

    • @SimonWoodburyForget
      @SimonWoodburyForget Před 2 lety +65

      @@Minecraftmaster684 _Yeah right._ The entire goel of shoe companies is to get banned. The shoe that gets banned from the olympics will literally be advertised as being _too good_ which in turn causes people to buy more of them. The entire goal was to get banned.

    • @SomethingSeemsOff
      @SomethingSeemsOff Před 2 lety +5

      The NBA has had to ban multiple shoes from the league due to significant unfair advantage/increased danger to player.

    • @timolsen8601
      @timolsen8601 Před 2 lety +4

      All basketball shoes increase danger to players as the narrow your base of support and increase stress on medial ligaments of the knee

  • @martinbernardo6676
    @martinbernardo6676 Před rokem +1

    There's always gonna be controversy with innovation, and the whole point of competition is exploiting every single advantage that is possible within the rulesets.
    If these folks really want everyone competing on the same playing field, they should ban shoes alltogether and have them run barefoot

  • @alexlw8888
    @alexlw8888 Před 3 lety +1

    everyone has already been doing this with all the recent innovations in footwear. By this logic, everyone should be made to wear the same shoe(also a bad idea because naturally, athletes will have different anatomical requirements). Or, competing brands will have to adapt their technology.

  • @stenbak88
    @stenbak88 Před 4 lety +2609

    If all of them are wearing them then who cares this just makes other companies step up. If you want a truly level field then ban shoes

    • @edwardlewis1963
      @edwardlewis1963 Před 4 lety +73

      I imagine you can't come in with a spring loaded pair of footwear;
      the issue seems to be that the shoe looks like a shoe and not some fancy obviously spring loaded gadgetry.
      I imagine this 'controversy' is a repeat of past 'controversies' involving new technology being used in sports.

    • @sufalchhabra736
      @sufalchhabra736 Před 4 lety +4

      Exactly

    • @sufalchhabra736
      @sufalchhabra736 Před 4 lety +90

      I mean some shoes are definitely better to run with. You buy a more expensive light shoe it's better than cheap ones anyway.make everyone run on the same shoe ore barefoot else there will always be someone with disadvantage

    • @dominik2824
      @dominik2824 Před 4 lety +34

      @@mortensgard6142 That what be providing more energy than the runner expends. These shoes do not do that.

    • @loki2240
      @loki2240 Před 4 lety +58

      It's not just a matter of current competitors but also past competitors and records. But as a former sprinter, I don't think that it really matters. Rubberized tracks are much faster than the cinder tracks that sprinters used to run on. In fact, many newer rubberized tracks are much faster than early rubberized tracks. Shoes are much better, training techniques and coaching are much better, etc. It's just not the first Olympic Games anymore, and it never will be again. Technology and techniques will continue to improve performance for the foreseeable future.
      And despite the suggestion of this video, technology significantly improved marathon performances long before these shoes.