Installing a Paccar Epa 17 engine and emissions system in a 2012 367 Peterbilt that originally had an Paccar epa10 that spun a main bearing and ruined the block.
So true. It takes a good understanding of how the systems work in order to pull off a retrofit. The experience and thus the knowledge that Warren has is amazing. Customers are not just paying for the work he does, but also for what he knows, and he continues to accumulate more knowledge all the time. I thought it was hilarious when he mentioned that a certain company doesn't want to use him to do retrofit work for them but when they call around the area to find another shop to do the work for them those other shops refer the company back to Warren. 😂😂 It takes a special talent to pull these projects off and they're not for the average or newbie mechanic.
So Warren is the owner of his shop and lead mechanic. This swap for any other shop, especially the OEM would be so labor intensive and time and parts, that it would be cheaper to just buy a EPA17 truck. There’s no way a OEM or other shop to make money on it. Warren can adjust his price and make it work on his books but the mental stress of piecing this truck together is priceless. You can’t put a price on it. I’ve been doing this for 3 decades and I would not even try. I would have gone back with a EPA10 or nothing. Good luck Warren. You are a warrior sir.
@@jaygraham5407 no doubt! I’d like to know what his labor rate is and if he actually bills the customer for every minute he dedicates to the jobs that are “MISSION IMPOSSIBLES”!
@jamestrapp3783 I have been the route of being in the repair business. No way did Dad and I charged all the time spent on some jobs/projects. We dealt with the issues accordingly. I am sure Warren is the same way.😉
I agree ! This 73 year old now has an aching back, neck, arms, just watching this Lone Ranger doing his miracles. But I would not pass up an episode. A hard working brilliant man he is.
I admire you taking this job on Warren, especially on your favourite brand of truck. Can't believe the PACCAR block is not repairable for a simple main bearing spun. Thank as ever Warren.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj Oversized bearings are mainly meant to accommodate refurbished crank with slightly smaller id ,some specialized shops would mill block down and make a spacer that bearing would fit in , precise machining not for the faint .
@@rovidius2006 Oversized main bearings are specifically used on engines that have been align bored or align honed. Undersized bearings are used when the crank journals have been ground and the journals are now undersized. If oversized main bearings were available the block would be salvageable.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj Cat shops mostly because they have them both ways but most go calling oversized anything that's thicker or wider than standard size for they never see a oversized bearing the way cat people see it ,undersized bearings on the inside are used when using a bigger crank .Size increase in thickness is mostly called oversized for ease of use .
If there is a way to get it done, you’re the guy to get it done. These change overs are like a jigsaw puzzle, your about the best I’ve seen in the business. Thanks for the video, appreciate the time and effort you put into them.
I long ago ran out of words to use to tell you how much I respect you, Warren. Your work ethic is incredible, and your knowledge on these retrofits just seems to grow and grow. I remember the first one you took on, you've come a long way.
With the holes close together . Do like they used to do with the shocks on old trucks . Weld up the holes and put a pice of pipe in-between the frame for reinforcement !
Warren at some point in time when you get tired of crawling around on all this equipment you need to share all your knowledge in a structured educational setting. Your lifetime of experience needs to be passed on to keep the knowledge base alive. Always good stuff on the video.
Another Great Video, Warren. It’s amazing how much stuff changes in a relatively small model year change. Not like years ago when it was easier to swap engines. My friend was working on a 07 T800 Kenworth, it had been rolled over and a new cab installed. He knew the cab VIN was different when calling KW for parts. They checked the frame VIN and that came from a 1977 with a Cummins, not an 07 with a C15. It’s a pretty truck, pieced together out of a few other trucks. I appreciate your attention to detail and trying to keep it true to the VIN numbers. Thanks again for the videos.
I think they do this on purpose so you have to buy parts from them at an exorbitant price or buy a new truck. They don’t want you to be able to fix them easily, I once heard someone say the manufacturers don’t make their money from new vehicle they make money from selling parts. Imagine if you had to build a vehicle from individual parts it would cost a fortune. Thanks for the video Warren
As always, thanks for sharing your time. It looks really good, couple of months ago I see a peterbilt with the fan clutch mounted directly to the crankshaft, never seen that before
Hey Warren, I’m used to your videos coming out at night so I can watch them right away. This one came out a little earlier, but still enjoyable to watch. Another engine project. These things are a lot of work for you. Keep up the great videos. Thanks much for sharing.
Great video Warren really enjoy watching you retrofit this truck from old to new Paccar engine and DPF system. Looking forward to your next video stay safe Warren.
These retro fits are pretty cool, you sure know your stuff. Glad you didn't have to run a bunch of wire, and can get the fuse panel. This is still pretty tricky being a few year's apart, but you always get it figured out. Appreciate the video's. G-d bless.
Hey Warren, I tried your clutch trick when I had to replace the ring gear on my old F350. I got the engine back in ( it was easier to pull the engine than the transmission) but I couldn't get the engine close enough for the dowels to line up because I was held up by the throw out bearing. I lifted it back up so I could spin it enough to bolt the clutch assembly to the flywheel. Snugged to bolts up and went right together. When I torqued the pressure plate bolts, one was cracked and it broke off.😢 Fortunately I could get at the broken bolt through opening from the starter. 1/8" drill bit spun the bolt out as soon as it bit.😅 All sorts of fun! Thanks for the videos.
Warren! I guess there is one thing about the Paccar you sort of liked? I know you don’t hate it,you work on them, but I’m glad you’re doing this job other than me. See ya in your next vid.
Quite the project. Other hurdle maybe the cab controller (CECU) vin mismatch (I don't think it will allow it to start, not positive though). The controller should be the same, but may have to reflash to your donor truck vin and change all different parameters to match original truck. This way engine software could be updated and parameters changed if axle ratio, tire size, etc different as it is tied to truck VIN. Marman or Marmon, whatever used to describe the pipe coupling system had been the standard 20 degree flare and flange then started using "spherical marman" to allow for misalignment. Enjoy the content and sure you will get it all sorted out.
I had a similar problem on my freightliner fld Cummins. The tensioner pulley for the belt for the clutch fan. The adjusting bolt that rides on the rail to move the pulley broke in the pulley. the pulley locking bolt is holding tension only. Got the adjusting bolt at one dealer in NH the pulley shipped from Cummins in Tennessee or Texas. The nut for the pulley is coming from another dealer. The vin number saved my ass. Newer trucks did away with the rail system and the tensioner swings with a socket wrench like on cars and small trucks for adjustment.
Warren, I belive you need the insulation on the pipe. You gotta keep the heat in there for the unit to work properly. I have used information from your vidios to some of our trucks up and running. Thank You.
The only concern that I would tend to ever have over welding up the holes in a frame is the weld causing the area to be come hardened from the welding making it brittle and perhaps prone to cracking over time with flex and vibration. Of course annealing the area with a torch after welding and grinding may help prevent this.
Try placing a thick piece of aluminum or copper on the inside of the frame where the hole is and weld from the other side weld will stand in there easier
When was coming up in the '70's, the old school guys stressed that if you have two frame holes closer together than 1/2 the diameter of the holes (in other words, if the holes are 5/8, they can't be closer than about 5/16), it's going to crack. So yeah, weld it or bolt it. Don't let the keyboard warriors get to you
Sooo… it’s cheaper to install a different engine that requires replacing all the accessories and after treatment system vs rebuilding the old engine with a new block and all? Or did I miss something about the old engine not being EPA compliant in Comifornia?
I haul seed potatoes back in the early 90s right on the border of California and Oregon on California side where dorris is do they still grow potatoes around there
Warren, how do you get electrical diagrams and schematics for this paccar stuff? Having access to that would sure help me out a ton!! Appreciate any input. Thank you.
Hi Warren as always your adventures are incredible..I have 60 yrs experience in hi perf but your knowledge is really amazing..I look at some of your accomplishments with awe…I wonder though how many billable hrs are involved in such a conversion…understanding a new truck is far more cost than the open heart surgery you have done
The fact that these retro fits actually work with all the after treatment epa crap is a testament to your skills Warren 😅
So true. It takes a good understanding of how the systems work in order to pull off a retrofit. The experience and thus the knowledge that Warren has is amazing. Customers are not just paying for the work he does, but also for what he knows, and he continues to accumulate more knowledge all the time. I thought it was hilarious when he mentioned that a certain company doesn't want to use him to do retrofit work for them but when they call around the area to find another shop to do the work for them those other shops refer the company back to Warren. 😂😂
It takes a special talent to pull these projects off and they're not for the average or newbie mechanic.
So Warren is the owner of his shop and lead mechanic. This swap for any other shop, especially the OEM would be so labor intensive and time and parts, that it would be cheaper to just buy a EPA17 truck.
There’s no way a OEM or other shop to make money on it. Warren can adjust his price and make it work on his books but the mental stress of piecing this truck together is priceless. You can’t put a price on it.
I’ve been doing this for 3 decades and I would not even try. I would have gone back with a EPA10 or nothing.
Good luck Warren. You are a warrior sir.
Warren has skills comparable to NO One!!!
@@jaygraham5407 no doubt!
I’d like to know what his labor rate is and if he actually bills the customer for every minute he dedicates to the jobs that are “MISSION IMPOSSIBLES”!
@jamestrapp3783 I have been the route of being in the repair business. No way did Dad and I charged all the time spent on some jobs/projects. We dealt with the issues accordingly. I am sure Warren is the same way.😉
You sure earn every single penny on every job you do
I agree ! This 73 year old now has an aching back, neck, arms, just watching this Lone Ranger doing his miracles. But I would not pass up an episode. A hard working brilliant man he is.
Just tell the guy to take it somewhere else you’re too busy Warren, too busy
What a flaming pain in the ass!
Your knowledge, skill, and determination are unmatched, Warren.
My god what a mess. You’re a hell of a mechanic!!!
Warrens favorite throw away engine 😁
I admire you taking this job on Warren, especially on your favourite brand of truck. Can't believe the PACCAR block is not repairable for a simple main bearing spun. Thank as ever Warren.
Another great idea by the trow away society
The blocks could be saved if paccar or anyone of the aftermarket manufacturers decided to make oversized main bearings.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj Oversized bearings are mainly meant to accommodate refurbished crank with slightly smaller id ,some specialized shops would mill block down and make a spacer that bearing would fit in , precise machining not for the faint .
@@rovidius2006 Oversized main bearings are specifically used on engines that have been align bored or align honed. Undersized bearings are used when the crank journals have been ground and the journals are now undersized. If oversized main bearings were available the block would be salvageable.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj Cat shops mostly because they have them both ways but most go calling oversized anything that's thicker or wider than standard size for they never see a oversized bearing the way cat people see it ,undersized bearings on the inside are used when using a bigger crank .Size increase in thickness is mostly called oversized for ease of use .
If there is a way to get it done, you’re the guy to get it done. These change overs are like a jigsaw puzzle, your about the best I’ve seen in the business. Thanks for the video, appreciate the time and effort you put into them.
I long ago ran out of words to use to tell you how much I respect you, Warren. Your work ethic is incredible, and your knowledge on these retrofits just seems to grow and grow. I remember the first one you took on, you've come a long way.
Wow you do jobs I wouldn't even dream of
I absolutely agree
With the holes close together . Do like they used to do with the shocks on old trucks . Weld up the holes and put a pice of pipe in-between the frame for reinforcement !
Ive said this before, but Mr. Warren you are a master mechanic for sure sir. That area is so lucky to have you in the area!!!
Warren at some point in time when you get tired of crawling around on all this equipment you need to share all your knowledge in a structured educational setting. Your lifetime
of experience needs to be passed on to keep the knowledge base alive. Always good stuff on the video.
He’d be a fantastic college professor! I’d sign up for any class taught by Warren!
Yes indeed. No need for a college degree - just watch some of his videos and he would be hired in an instant. Fantastic critical thinker and doer.
Good to see you again on here Warren know you've been busy or you would have been on here sooner
Students would have to sign a waiver 😂 Warren be a little hard on these students now days , but if they make it, they will have got a real education
@@larryburns4605 🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👌👍👍
i couldn't do some of these projects your good my friend
real good work before i got hurt i loved working on motors, its a joy just watcthing keep up the good work.
Your mechanical ability and experience is very respectable Warren. Thanks for the videos, each one is a lesson for others.
Another Great Video, Warren. It’s amazing how much stuff changes in a relatively small model year change. Not like years ago when it was easier to swap engines. My friend was working on a 07 T800 Kenworth, it had been rolled over and a new cab installed. He knew the cab VIN was different when calling KW for parts. They checked the frame VIN and that came from a 1977 with a Cummins, not an 07 with a C15. It’s a pretty truck, pieced together out of a few other trucks. I appreciate your attention to detail and trying to keep it true to the VIN numbers. Thanks again for the videos.
I think they do this on purpose so you have to buy parts from them at an exorbitant price or buy a new truck. They don’t want you to be able to fix them easily, I once heard someone say the manufacturers don’t make their money from new vehicle they make money from selling parts. Imagine if you had to build a vehicle from individual parts it would cost a fortune. Thanks for the video Warren
Thank You for the effort to show the pitfalls of these engine swaps Warren.
Best Wishes to You and Your Family.
Like how Warren Talks to us as he works his way through a project.
As always, thanks for sharing your time. It looks really good, couple of months ago I see a peterbilt with the fan clutch mounted directly to the crankshaft, never seen that before
Hey Warren, I’m used to your videos coming out at night so I can watch them right away. This one came out a little earlier, but still enjoyable to watch. Another engine project. These things are a lot of work for you. Keep up the great videos. Thanks much for sharing.
You are one hard working knowledgeable man with an incredible amount of common sense really enjoy your videos thank you
Really enjoy watching your video Warren keep up the good work 👌
Good video. I'm no mechanic but I enjoy watching a good one overcome challenges.
Thanks Warren for your time and consideration top job very informative 🛠️🚛🔧🚜🛠️🔧
Not frowning on welding the bolt hole.
That's what I was thinking when you put the light on it.
Great video Warren really enjoy watching you retrofit this truck from old to new Paccar engine and DPF system. Looking forward to your next video stay safe Warren.
These retro fits are pretty cool, you sure know your stuff. Glad you didn't have to run a bunch of wire, and can get the fuse panel. This is still pretty tricky being a few year's apart, but you always get it figured out. Appreciate the video's. G-d bless.
Hey Warren, I tried your clutch trick when I had to replace the ring gear on my old F350. I got the engine back in ( it was easier to pull the engine than the transmission) but I couldn't get the engine close enough for the dowels to line up because I was held up by the throw out bearing. I lifted it back up so I could spin it enough to bolt the clutch assembly to the flywheel. Snugged to bolts up and went right together. When I torqued the pressure plate bolts, one was cracked and it broke off.😢 Fortunately I could get at the broken bolt through opening from the starter. 1/8" drill bit spun the bolt out as soon as it bit.😅 All sorts of fun! Thanks for the videos.
Warren! I guess there is one thing about the Paccar you sort of liked? I know you don’t hate it,you work on them, but I’m glad you’re doing this job other than me. See ya in your next vid.
Quite the project. Other hurdle maybe the cab controller (CECU) vin mismatch (I don't think it will allow it to start, not positive though). The controller should be the same, but may have to reflash to your donor truck vin and change all different parameters to match original truck. This way engine software could be updated and parameters changed if axle ratio, tire size, etc different as it is tied to truck VIN. Marman or Marmon, whatever used to describe the pipe coupling system had been the standard 20 degree flare and flange then started using "spherical marman" to allow for misalignment. Enjoy the content and sure you will get it all sorted out.
He probably ordered parts from a wrecked truck with computers and everything just to make sure
Warren that's one big jigsaw puzzle and you are the puzzle Master
Never thought I would hear you something good about a Pacer 😊
Great job Warren
Hot damn,literally covered up with work!
I had a similar problem on my freightliner fld Cummins. The tensioner pulley for the belt for the clutch fan. The adjusting bolt that rides on the rail to move the pulley broke in the pulley. the pulley locking bolt is holding tension only. Got the adjusting bolt at one dealer in NH the pulley shipped from Cummins in Tennessee or Texas. The nut for the pulley is coming from another dealer. The vin number saved my ass. Newer trucks did away with the rail system and the tensioner swings with a socket wrench like on cars and small trucks for adjustment.
Warren you never cease to amaze me.
Thnks Warren for confirmation not to ever have anything todo with a Paccard engine..good luck and pray don't the shoot the pony/engine
Very knowledgeable man
Respect!
You're the man Warren! I appreciate you and your videos!
Warren, I belive you need the insulation on the pipe. You gotta keep the heat in there for the unit to work properly. I have used information from your vidios to some of our trucks up and running. Thank You.
Definitely great way to turn engine and line up pressure plate bolts
Always a thumbs up Warren appreciate your uploads on your videos
The only concern that I would tend to ever have over welding up the holes in a frame is the weld causing the area to be come hardened from the welding making it brittle and perhaps prone to cracking over time with flex and vibration. Of course annealing the area with a torch after welding and grinding may help prevent this.
Hey Warren. Kindest regards 🇨🇦
Hopefully the fuel system primes up better than the one you worked on awhile back!
I might as well bite the bullet and get the Paccar rear seal installer. Got one in the shop now that needs the rear structure resealed.
Great video. Thanks for sharing...
Great video. Thank you Warren
safety glasses when drilling... what a job
Warren… no harsh words for the PACCAR. You are coming around on them. 😂
Well, it looks like the word is out now. Western Truck and Tractor "LOVE'S" Paccar. !!!
Try placing a thick piece of aluminum or copper on the inside of the frame where the hole is and weld from the other side weld will stand in there easier
You complain about the emissions (rightly so)but deep down I think you like doing this stuff. It’s a challenge and makes a man think.
Pure substance and quality content Tku.
We're you an engineer in a past life Warren? Wow, that retro-fit is mind boggling. Great video.
Great work as always Warren 🦘
I thought the P word (paccar) was banned for a while? 😂😂 thanks for the video Warren!
When was coming up in the '70's, the old school guys stressed that if you have two frame holes closer together than 1/2 the diameter of the holes (in other words, if the holes are 5/8, they can't be closer than about 5/16), it's going to crack. So yeah, weld it or bolt it. Don't let the keyboard warriors get to you
Hope you’re having a great day buddy thanks for sharing
Thank you for the video Warren. 👍
The master of master tec 👍🇸🇪
great video ❤
Might as well put the updated oil module and high oil flow kit for the rockers to help save that camshaft
Sooo… it’s cheaper to install a different engine that requires replacing all the accessories and after treatment system vs rebuilding the old engine with a new block and all? Or did I miss something about the old engine not being EPA compliant in Comifornia?
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Wish I had a mag drill in 2003 on my Kenworth W900 sure would have made life easier
I use to rent mag drills when I occasionally needed them. I ended seeing a like new Milwaukee mag drill for $200 on offerup and I couldn't pass it up.
I haul seed potatoes back in the early 90s right on the border of California and Oregon on California side where dorris is do they still grow potatoes around there
My company has an epa 15 paccar 367, and I've got eportal. I could probably get you some part numbers for the engine if you need them.
Talking nice about the puccar? looking good
Hey Warren,
You talked about a UN proposition a while back. Which one was it? I cannot remember. Old age. Lol keep up the good videos.
Matt
Mounting that DEF tank on right hand side will mean that he will have to drive backwards through truck stop fuel island to get DEF!
The customer might complain unless that's the side they wanted it on 🤷
That's the side the original one was mounted on
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353Wasn't criticizing Warren, just know it causes issues sometimes in truck stops.
Busy is good Warren.
LIke George Jones used to say " Who's going to fill my shoes " These No One that can fill his shoes.. Thanks Warren, See Ya
I missed something ,why were the clutch bolts removed?
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Warren. Why is it better to blank frame holes with bolts rather than weld?
I used your leave the clutch on the tranny a while ago awesome tip. I have subscribe ever video fyi
Spring has sprung
What are those other 2 trucks in the shop ? Are you working on them ?
only warren can master this disaster true craftsman
Quick question, couldn't you weld up the old holes on the frame? Or would it compromise the metal?
Like you said the grill and front of the hood on a short hood isn’t as tall as an extended hood.
Thank you.
I don't think V-band clamp will seal up the flange on DPF, since there not same diameter
You sound a lot happier today Warren. How’s the foot doing?
Warren, how do you get electrical diagrams and schematics for this paccar stuff? Having access to that would sure help me out a ton!! Appreciate any input. Thank you.
I likey!
Hi Warren as always your adventures are incredible..I have 60 yrs experience in hi perf but your knowledge is really amazing..I look at some of your accomplishments with awe…I wonder though how many billable hrs are involved in such a conversion…understanding a new truck is far more cost than the open heart surgery you have done
big old thumbs up warren
Talk about all pain for no gain....sheesh.😳
(Not your work, but the fact that you had to use another Paccar engine)
What's with these Paccar's??
Hopefully this one will be easier to work on??
How's your foot doing?
Try to take care of yourself!!
Ive been a truck mechanic for 30 yrs….the customer would never have enough money for me to do this nightmare?
The BETTER conversion is to cut that epa crap right off the truck. A lot better power, a lot better mileage, and a lot more reliable.
I did not expect to see anymore paccar piles of shit in your shop.but i think you are getting g lucky a bit with that one.
I think he’s starting to like them. 😂
A Paccar engine is the highway to hell
You must be good at math because that a big Algebra problem 😅
Warren, that is one neck of a jumbled cluster. By gosh, your getting all unwound. Check of a job Warren.
I thought you said these Paccars were not very good Why bother when it looks like your workshop is full to busting already