Could A UK Typhoon Squadron Defend Falklands From Argentina's F-16 Air Wing? (WarGames 158) | DCS
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With the news that Argentina may be receiving 38 Danish F-16A MLUs, we simulate an Argentinian attack on the Falklands Islands and ask whether just 12 Eurofighter Typhoons with Meteor missiles can defend the islands from the new threat.
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I’d genuinely be surprised if Argentina could afford even second-hand fighter jets considering its dire economic situation
@@bobbiebob575 None of that. as argentinian i can asure you this is all politics, and the result of lack of a long term planification that can survive elections every 4 years
@@arieldario3849 For that reason, would you prefer the return of a caudillo-led military regime?
@@andrewhirsch6472 WTF what? NO. One thing doesn't justifies the other. We need serious politicians OR a constitutional reform that introduce economics welfare state politics by law (this cannot be easily undo), so many sectors can do long term planification without fear the next votations, and also more people aware of this...
@@andrewhirsch6472 That's a pretty dumb question. Would the US or Britain be comfortable with military governments of their own, due to poor democratic administrations in recent years?
@@arieldario3849 : That is good to know. I ask because polling shows that more people in the democratic world find a sort of "benevolent dictatorship" more attractive than 10 years ago.
This is basically the exact scenario the Eurofighter was originally designed for: Get high & fast really quickly and intercept less capable jets while you are outnumbered in Western Germany's tiny airspace during WW3. Nice to see it worked out really well!
Keep dreaming Argentina won't purchase block 10 F 16 with only single MFD outdated analoguish aircraft
I'd love to see WW3 for real ❤
@@soumyajitsingha9614they gonna buy whatever they can get their hands on
Great smashy, smashy boom boom Cap!
@@soumyajitsingha9614yeah, they gonna buy indian mig-21s that retire because they can't afford anything else.
Meteor... such an awesome missile. Thank you to our British brothers and sisters for making some awesome stuff! :)
Having done a FIRIC tour for 6 months down there at MPA, I can catagorically say that any invasion would first be detected by the radar systems- the current system picks up all aviation traffic from BA, then FIDF(Falkland Islands Defence force) which are pretty decent wouild be activated and honestly the amount of ammunition and weapons available to them would be more than enough to counter any invasion force until 16AA are scrambled from Brize to MPA(an exercise was played out not so long ago-full activation and they were at MPA in 19 hours from colchester to MPA)
so in summary you've got Eurofighters there, a type 45 frigate there, multiple sam systems there, no doubt a sub would be sent there urgently, no doubt lads from hereford would be down there, youve got the FIRIC company down there(normally an oversized infantry company-100+ soldiers) the FIDF there...and you think argentina would stand a chance
This is just a bit of fun, with no strategic context. Obviously in a war the UK has tonnes more stuff coming.
Yup I had to use my creative license a bit to create a nice battle.
@grimreapers I'm not critiquing the video, merely explaining through my own experience that a full-scale invasion of the Falklands circa 1982 nowerdays is highly doubtful...
@@flashgordon6670bro. Stfu. Merica!! MERICA 🇺🇸 will "have a go" and EFF you 🆙️🙃👍🏾💪🏿💪🏿
indeed, plus a smaller "gun boat" there as well.
Ex RAF vet here the 4 birds at Mount Pleasant are simply to get up into the skies launch full spreads of missiles then very quickly as fast as they can get to ground and refuel and reload to do it again.
But gentlemen the surprise you missed comes from below the waves there's always one in that area and well they aren't only good for Belgranoing Argentine naval vessels they are awesome at sea to shore capabilities too.
Spot on, I think most people in the Uk would not have a problem with the RN sending ordnance to disable Argentine aircraft/airfields if they ever decided to attack the Falklands again, we let them off lightly last time and should make sure they don't launch a 2nd wave of aircraft if they do it again.
@@BlesamaSoulLet them off lightly? You don’t know what the hell your talking about, if Argentina had held on another week, the Falklands would’ve been lost, the task force was out in the open and was touch and go all the way, were lucky to have a class RN, without it would’ve been a no go.
@@johnscone9382 but they didn't hold on did they and lost. The UK had options available then, just as now we have even more options available with fewer assets required in the area. There's always one who sees a downside for the Brits and talks us down regardless of how much we punch above our weight
@@BlesamaSoul What options were they then? Pray tell. The task force we’re losing personnel at an alarming rate at the end, running out of rations, ammunition, the British were on their last legs, another week it would’ve been a bloody disaster.
@@johnscone9382 but we didn't need another week you're just searching for a negative to justify your hypothetical negatives. We had additional subs and an air bridge if we needed to adapt and overcome on numerous areas, indeed we could have used a civilian air fleet to ferry supplies to Ascension and use the RAF from there. Plenty of options for those with a can do attitude. Today we learnt from 1982 and hence we've got numerous options with naval and air assets to defend the Falklands, I doubt the Argentinan military would be keen to try again
Eurofighter is a seriously impressive airframe
I prefer the Typhoon moniker tho.
It is QRF defined
@@ed-ho1rxThat means Quick Response Force?.. Right?
@@Glamrock993 quick reaction fighter on QRA alerts but sure quick reaction, up and at em
Yeah the Typhoon is really impressive and muti role it can be used in both ground attack and air to air combat roles.
Note for future Falklands videos: Argentina has currently 8-12 A4AR Skyhawks in service, and these do actually fly unlike the rest of the A4s.
Please do it with the jf 17 to compare it to the f16, too
We did a JF-17 version a while back: czcams.com/video/J1qMladHJUQ/video.html
@@grimreapersdo it again with jf17 block 3 with PL15s
@@Dark-S.73 the export version of the pl-15 performs more like a PL-12 that ED has already implemented so that video probably closely resembles how that would all play out.
Hi Guys, I’m new to this channel and vids. Really liked what I saw. Can I ask what program you’re using to simulate the battles?
Well done as always Cap. Keep up the good work.
I'd love it if DCS had the aircraft to allow you to try recreating the Blackbuck raids. I finally got my uncle to talk about what went on (he was a Victor tanker navigator at the time and flew on five of them) and the stories make the hairs on the back of your neck stand-up. The utter lack of technology and fog of war and moving parts in the raids was mind-boggling.
I didn’t come into this knowing that the Eurofighter meteors effectively serves the same purpose as the F-14A’s Phoenix missiles. Thats really cool
Smashing sorte, chaps. Bloody good show👍👍
Very fun video, nice of cap to discuss the ASRAAM fox 2's often get overshadowed by fox 3's in your videos with them being shorter ranged most of the time.
Yeah I lived there for 36 years amazing airframe , loved the jargon speak by the. Way Falklands is a westerly wind so they were landing wrong way lol . I was in defence force and do remember the people are still under threat and argentine aircraft still push there luck . Not happy they getting these aircraft I don't particularly like fig but my family still live there . Radar stations you mentioned I won't comment on . I do wonder if America is an ally at times go back 50 years they supplied argentine army with weaponry and they invaded islands ten years on . I enjoyed the simulation but euro fighter 1435flt is an awesome aircraft. When I was chairman of goose green club I invited the squadron down from mpa for a few drinks what a night they presented a plaque saying thanks to buzz and the community of goose green for a great time . They also presented a chess set made out of f4 rivets and board was name out of a f4 panel but sadly was taken . Great guys who put there lives ar risk every time they get in the cockpit . I miss the sound of freedom when you here them fly by its an awesome sight .
Pueden llevar hasta armas nucleares a la isla(cosa que ya lo hicieron). Y ni aún así va pasar algo, se preparan contra una invasión que no va a pasar jamás.
Si se pusieran a leer en vez de ser tan ignorantes, se darían cuenta de que la Constitución Argentina prohíbe el uso de la fuerza para recuperar la isla, entonces no va pasar nada, pueden armarse todo lo que quieran, pero nunca va a pasar algo.
Other points: If the fleet is 34 the chances of getting all of them in the air at once is probably approaching 0, a fair number will be unserviceable at any point and some will be used for training and development work.
Yeah but they will probably know the Argentines are coming
I genuinely believe that there's nothing on earth that is better at killing non-stealth aircraft than the Typhoon - and I include the F-22 in that. The F-22 is clearly the superior aircraft and would win a 1 vs 1 against anything. But to kill as many non-stealth aircraft as possible, the Typhoon is just immensely efficient.
In all of your videos, I'm really pleased you do 'best case scenarios'. Doing anything else is pretty pointless, not to mention the work and effort required from you guys.
@@wombatgirl997 It appears you don't know the meaning of the word "obsolete".
@@wombatgirl997 OK, explains a lot. When the Challenger was designed, it was designed to kill the latest and greatest Soviet tank and take hits from them. There's nothing been built since that is much better than then, so it's not really to fight obsolete equipment. Same goes for the Typhoon. It'll do what you've just seen in this video against pretty much any non-stealth aircraft in the world with little trouble. It'll also happily go toe-to-toe against the SU-57.
@@wombatgirl997 Well, when the only country anywhere near you that's even likely to TRY anything stupid, only HAS rusty soviet junk, that's all you need to destroy
Some German Eurofighters have F-22 silhouettes on thier aircraft after simulated sight on sight dogfights in i believe 2012
it was a dogfight, not bvr tbh, w to the germans though@@carolrowley9868
I'm cool with the weapons load out, seems like a silly thing to complain about in War Games in a sim ;) keep up the amazing work GR!👍
Exactly. And even if the Argentinas did manage to buy this many aircraft, it's highly doubtful they'd a) manage to pilot them all, b) have this many serviceable, c) be armed with 120C5s (more likely 'B' models), d) have very little training hours on the platform.
So, given this is an absolute 'best case' scenario for Argentina. It makes sense to see an absolute 'best case' scenario for the UK too.
@@skatman3278 precisely, well put👍
I don't usually watch videos like this but I was tricked into it by the title.
... but it was surprisingly engaging and enjoyable 😂
Top class. Well done.
Bizarre hearing “the king’s Air Force” these days. Not used to that yet.
" The King's Air Force ". That's going to take some getting used to...
Very interesting to watch Grim, great video. I would imagine a real life scenario would also see atleast one Aircraft carrier not far away with F-35's too, given the fact that increased tensions to the point they're even considering another invasion would likely lead to such pre-emptive planning.
That's not to consider the potential intel leaks or espionage that could reveal such plans (as we saw with the Ukraine invasion, months ahead they knew) and lead to such units being sent to reinforce the islands.
That scenario would be very interesting to see, with more than just F-16's, but Argentina's older aircraft too.
Thank god you lot had all the right liscence plates in order. Carry on
I fought in that war Falklands young 18 yr paratrooper this upsets me the amount of blood that was spilt in that short brutal war
You signed up for the army . . . Not exactly a secret what The Army does .
@Dawgreen never had much to look forward to high unemployment in the northeast of England in the early 80s it was the army are prison
19:09 Well done lad. Funny as. Ad altiora!
Not sure about setting the F-16s to max skill level, Argentine pilots have been getting drastically low levels of flying hours per year, and definitely not in any combat roles.
Yeah.....Argentine pilots don't get anywhere near US or British fighter pilot training
Considering what a clusterf**k the Eurofighter programme was from beginning to end I always had a quiet fear that the final plane would end up being absolute crap. I've never been happier to be wrong, she turned out to be a bloody good multirole aircraft.
And we need to start doing awful American accents if they're all going to insist on trying (and badly failing) to imitate the English accent.....
Awesome! I'd really like to see this re-run with just the current 4 Typhoons plus a Type 45 in between the islands. Could run the 2026 config of 48x Aster 30 and 24x Sea Ceptor.
A Type 45 would utterly paste that air attack - it could pretty much single handedly take out the entire air wing in 1-2 salvos. Basically doing what it was designed to do against large air forces. The 45 is a formidible AA destroyer, but currently lacks surface weaponary, although that's being resolved.
@@Rasterizing yeah I reckon you’re right. I enjoyed watching the one the beautiful boys did where they were reenacting the incident in the Black Sea of the 17 (I think) Russian Migs against HMS Duncan, and it wiped them all out before they even got a shot off 😂
seeing MPA there brings back memories.
did a stint there before going out to Iraq in 03.
was not a bad place to go apart from the cold.
This is so cool. Nice to se the Eurofighter used for what it was designed for! Will be sad to see it go when Tempest is finished ;(
The Typhoons are due to be in service for another 20 years the Tempest won't fully replace the Typhoons when it comes into service.
Tempest will be next level and then some......a jump from 4.5 gen to true 6th Gen fighter performance
I sat in a tornado at RAF Mount pleasant with the engines running as a young rifleman jn the late 80's. My mate won the lottery down there and got brought back in a tornado.
that sounds like hell TBH haha. 19hrs travel time not being able to stand up, watch films, sleep etc
As to the A-4's that the Argentines have the ones which they used in the Falklands where taken out of service and replaced with 36 A-4AR Fighting Hawks these where a modified A-4M and 4 TA-4F trainers which had an AN/APG-66V2 radar (pretty much the same as the F-16 Block 15) replacing the TV and Laser Spot trackers and a glass cockpit and uprated engine. The major issues is that the explosive cartridges for their ejector seats have time expired and other issues they currently have less than 6 of them remaining... With the F-16's the other major issue is the lack of tankers to help them get to the Falklands with a decent payload... Nice video as usual...
I thought they were upgraded, not replaced ?
@@Bob10009 no they where replaced as the original A-4's where A-4B' and C's for the Air Force renamed to A-4P and the Navy got B's renamed to A-4Q... main differences where that the C's came with 5 hardpoints vs 3 for the B's and Sidewinder carrying ability apart from the Navy B's which where re-wired for the Sidewinder and they had a more powerful engine...
Great video but the Falklands flight isn't tranche 1, their FGR4 tranche 3s, tranche 1s are only used for QRA armed with asraam from lossiemouth, from coningsby they fly with meteor armed FGR4s.
Thanks.
@@grimreapersRight. ANYWAYS 😂😂 NOBODY asked him.
QRA Typhoons fly with both ASRAAM and Meteor.
I'm afraid 1435 Flight are all Tranche 1 aircraft, not Tranche 3...
@@Jay-jo5do which makes little difference as they only have an air to air role.
"Foxington 3..." I LOVE IT!!!
Hi Cap, loving getting more Typhoon action thanks but i'm curious: I've read that the Typhoon can be bought with Thrust Vectoring but nobody seems to have taken this build of the jet yet. Would your brilliant team of programmers be able to add Thrust Vectoring to the Typhoon in DCS and if so, how do you think it would get on against current 4th and 5th Gen fighters with this addition? Cheers!
There is a mod kit for the Typhoon. It was decided that the aircraft is already capable of dealing with almost anything thrown at it, and as such they did not think it was worth the cost.
Comment pre fight, I would say that you overlooked the skill gap. The RAF take part in multiple training exercises against multiple nations every year. I would expect the RAF to join the fight with way more experience than the Argentine air force. Hard to replicate but could have potentially dumbed down the F16s Ai
God damn that exchange was expensive! $3.3 Billion vs $1.3 Billion. I realise it's hypothetical and not entirely accurate because of limitations in the software but still, it gives you a rough idea of just how expensive modern warfare actually is! And thats not including other costs such as fuel and personnel etc.
I've never seen a video from this channel before and including that was a real nice touch. I'll certainly be tuning in more in future.
Very enjoyable to watch and certainly gives you something to think about. Good job Sir and you got a sub from me.
Another thing I have just discovered about this order of 36 Jets is Brazil (Argentina's main regional Rival) has ordered 36 Saab Gripen E fighters of which it has 7 to date with the balance to have been delivered by 2025 and these I believe are equipped with Meteor - so this figure of 36 F16s looks like it is more to do with balancing power in the region rather than being aimed at the Falklands per Se.
I was gonna say. Why don't they buy Gripens? It seems everyone agrees they are the best deal in military aviation these days.
@@0xKruzr Yes the Gripen is great for those air forces that cannot afford to run and manage the complexities of an aircraft like the Typhoon and a lot of the tech that goes into the Gripen is British and therefore not available to Argentina. The UK also blocked the sale of South Korean FA 50s to Argentina in 2020 as that aircraft also used UK made components.
Argentina no tiene proyectado un conflicto por las islas malvinas, la constitución misma prohíbe el uso de la fuerza para recuperar las islas. Solamente nos armamos por que nos tienen en Sándwich, Chile y Brasil. Que siempre tienen tropas en la frontera nuestra, donde Argentina tiene sitios turísticos, del otra lado hay soldados.
@@GS-tl9uz Yes as I said in the other comment the F16 sale is likely being allowed by the US State dept due to the Brazilian purchase of the Gripen's and they have also supplied F16s to Chile in the last 15 odd years. As for boarder issues and Argentina's current peaceful stance - unfortunately Argentina during the 70s and 80s was somewhat of a regional bully and threatened war in 1978/79 over the Beagle Islands dispute which was eventually ended only by mediation from the Vatican and of course invaded the Falkland's and other Islands in 1982 and memories of such actions are unfortunately long.
I had thought Argentina and the UK were essentially OK with each other these days,@@cryhavoc999 , of course that could be me just being completely out of the loop.
had a wee read up about this and it has some really interesting geopolitics involved.
Honestly kinda of funny. The whole reason that Argentina was looking towards the JF17 was that western countries have basically prevented Argentina from having an airforce, and now we're trying to give them a deal on one just to spite China.
foxington 3 has to be the best british call out ever lol
21:38 Hell of a way to land a plane. -- Chuck Yeager flight sim from the 1980s for 386 PC
I understand that when they scramble the typhoons they send up the a330mrtt so they have plenty of fuel on hand, the weather can close in really quickly in the falklands.
If Britain felt the Falklands where under sufficient threat to send a whole squadron down then I would expect them to have a standing CAP up in the air
I think as a bit of fun, this was utterly fantastic! Bird and Drop made me spit out my drink with their WW2 pilot accents.
As a platform, the Typhoon is basically the best aircraft for this exact situation. Not to mention if they sent down 8 more Eurofighters they could probably send down a SAM (not sure logistically how but dude trust me). In terms of realism, I think some Typhoons would be filled with a mix of Meteors and more ASRAAMs whilst others would be back up. So good work, if anything the F-16s would have more air-ground!
Ultimately those F-16s are just good enough for what Argentina needs, but not something they could realistically ever use to attack the Falklands with. (plus their pilots would need more than a year's worth of training). Funnily enough, it's a very similar jet and number of jets that Chile has
Would love an ASRAAM vs AIM-9X comparison video to show how potent it is, because the ASRAAM's a very interesting missile and multiple countries use it in spades 😁
The A4s in Argentine Service, I think, have also been upgraded ro have F-404 engines without the burner. That made them a lot more fuel efficient, more powerful and saved a bit of weight for bombload.
Though I dont know that that was done to the Argentinian one. I know for a fact it was done for Singapures A4s.
So are we not using chaff, flares, typhoon wingtip ew pods & towed decoys or guns?
I think youre underselling the P'hoon somewhat.
21:37 might be the greatest sequence in GR history
Now combine the range and accuracy of the meteor with the near invisibility of the F35. It's cold blooded murder! Glad we've got them!
Do the British not still deploy a Royal Navy surface vessel to the Falklands? Surely that would also provide some surface to air capability, parked in Falkland sound it could provide some defensive coverage of the islands for any enemy aircraft evading the Typhoons?
Meanwhile the nuclear sub that’s always in the area sinks a couple of ships and the rest run away like they did last time🤷♂️
likewise a few holes in their airfields to ensure they cannot land upon return and no infrastructure to fuel/arm them........
@@BlesamaSoul. Hundiron un barco que no tenia siquiera sonar y era viejo de la segunda guerra, un superviviente de Pearl Harbor, algo así no pasaría tan fácil hoy en día, muchachos.
@@GS-tl9uzlooking at the Argentinian fleet there's very little capability or sign of modernisation. The UK capability has increased significantly since 1982, the Falklands are safe in British hands
@@BlesamaSoul. No niego de que los gobiernos de izquierda nos han desmantelado hasta ahora al no enviar fondos a las fuerzas armadas.
Pero, desde la finalización de la guerra, acá en la Argentina se cambio todo, ya nadie lucha como se luchaba antes, los estándares para salir a luchar son altos. Es decir, no se nos ocurriría la locura de mandar a luchar en un combate a un Barco que no este preparado al máximo. Entonces si no hay material para luchar adecuadamente no se lucha y punto, y si lo hay bueno, se luchara.
Lo mismo al nivel de Fuerza Aérea, jamás se nos ocurriría hacer de vuelta como en el 82 de mandar aviones sin radar y armados con bombas tontas contra un Barco artillado de última tecnología, por supuesto que no, eso es algo suicida en los tiempos que corren. Ya desde hace años sabemos que la forma de luchar en el 82 quedó caducada y obsoleta.
Espero haber sido claro jeje
Saludos.
Thats one huge Meteor Shower!
"Strider, the tea is wet"
Jolly good ...
You guys doing the British banter is HILARIOUS!!
I see the barrel roll technique that Longshot came up with in the Typhoon being used!
The problem is the Uk already has 4 typhoons in the falklands so another 12 will bring it 16 aircraft. Plus 30 F35B, so that is 46 very modern aircraft against F16s. Also i do not think the argentine wil rist all of its most modern aircraft on gambit for the falklands, they be worried about chile and brazil. This is a very good video.
Más que nada nos preocupa Chile, se esta abusando enviando fuerzas a las fronteras donde del otro lado lo único que tenemos son sitios turísticos.
A 'what' ache?! You sound like you are testicular exclusionary towards people like me who had unfortunate events take away some of our 'ballness'. 🙂 Love the videos.
As a viewer I feel very valued
Great smashy smashy boom boom Cap!
If you were in a battle formation of F16s flying toward FI’s and 2/3rds of your group were wiped out like that without warning, I think you would turn and head for home
One way or the other the UK needs to reinforce the Falklands. Things are heating up.
I doubt Argentina would risk destroying half it's air force in one day in the near future.
Well done Cymba.
A4 sky hawk in 1982 was a second hand old airframe and do mess to the fleet ..this argies are good in many things
In reality the air wing posted down there by the Brits is little more than a token to keep an eye and as a warning. If the Argentinians decided they wanted to try their tricks again it wouldn't matter if they managed to take the land because within a few days they would have not only lost it again but also any military they had in range at the time.
Back in 82 the problem for the Brits was mostly range but things have moved on significantly since then and it wouldn't matter how much the equipment cost in wartime - it would be available come what may.
If that meant every Meteor available then it would be.
I'm guessing the towed decoys aren't modelled on the Eurofighters?
Neg
Sooooooooooo many OPSEC considerations - they are super secretive re those Decoys.
This would be a fun dynamic campaign playing as Argentina. Not just having to do air to air but also SEAD and strike. Kind of like the Yom Kippur War 2023 campaign that was done earlier.
thank you.
19:51 just frigging die Simba for godsake I'm crying 😂
Great concept battle, much to say on this early on. Meteors just launching now as I type, would any Argentines be tasked with busting up runways? Planes are up sure but if you cant kill all the planes would you try to limit their future use? I would not send in my full flight of new/best planes to be eaten alive, what else could they send sea skimming to bomb some defenses?
Low level would not have the range, they are a few generations behind the world...
@@stevenlarratt3638 If the A4 skyhawks had the range, these F16s should manage. Plus Argentina still has one KC130 it service.
@@tetraxis3011 not a chance low level... that was the key point...
Whats the role play for typhoon not using any countermeasures?
I'll be travelling to the Falklands in about 12 months, nothing more to add, just a bit of a brag :)
nice
Jealous.
@@grimreapers Clearly you havent been there.....
I've been, remember your long Johns my friend.
"Jesus H Corbett" Is that Harry or Harry H? If the first we could call this a satisfying fighter Sweep.
MBDA. I recognise that name.
IT's on the side of a building near where I live and where I happened to have worked a few times.
I think they a Anglo-French weapons builder.
Could you try it with just the aircraft the British have on the island and see how it goes with the F16 making it to the islands
You forgot 16 Regt RA with there AD Battery with the CAMM air defence system (Sky Sabre)
Would y'all be willing to do a quick re-run of the drag race vid that the f16 won in the past, now that you've corrected the gr f16 flight models? Maybe just put it up against the previous competitive planes to simplify things a bit.
Roger.
@@grimreapers and please include Eurofighter this time! It won't win, I just want it to be there :)
Beers and Booms baby, thank you GR. 🇨🇦 Veteran
I feel like you’d have complaints either way. Whether you keep modern missiles or a mix of older and newer. I vote carry on with the modern missiles unless you’re trying to go SATAL style for more dogfights
Typhoon can fly with 14 Meteors apparently but it'd have a rang of about 50 feet :P
Wait a second hold up, so Argentina like China are set to Ace skill? The US and UK just finished 20+ years of actual real world combat, practice and fine tuning also Ace skill level. China who has zero experience in modern aerial combat with maybe a third of of the flight hours of US pilots. Now Argentina who doesn’t even have fighter aircraft, poof, ACE skill level.
Russia, for all its hype, couldn’t even get to Kiev. Time for a hint of realism in the tweaking guys. LOVE love love the channel and all the hard work. Can’t believe I have to say it but it has to be said.
It's done to make it interesting just like using SU 57s and pretending the russian and Chinese missile figures are accurate.
@@davidwhitton9050 I know and I feel truly awful even saying anything when Cap and the boys do so much hard work for my enjoyment. Again I love love every video. It’s just been a little under the skin I’m like oh the Vatican vs UK ace skill. I really want to see China get wiped out ( in game) because we all know they would go boom boom against a finely honed and practiced AF like the UK/USAF. Just one time set them to what we would really see as an outcome. Please 🙏 question mark.
I think politically its better that arg is given us planes rather than fall into the lap of china or russia. The threat of an embargo hopefully would be desicive in the unlikely event they tried another pop at the falklands.
Dunno if it comes up but I do like the names of the Typhoons. Faith, Hope, Charity and Desperation.
I didn't know that! Feels like names The Covenant would give to their fighters in Halo 😄
Faith, Hope and Charity were the names of the three Gloster Gladiators that defended Crete (Malta?) in WW2.
@@robertlight2370 Add a little bit of darkish RAF humour and there you go. It may be an apocryphal story, but it's one I'd like to think is true.
@@robertlight2370do you play WT by any chance?
@flyingscotsman9657 No. I don't play anything. I just watch some videos occasionally.
Well, the obvious suggestion is to also play it if Argentina gets the Chinese jets instead.
About the less good weapons, I have seen images of Eurofighters with 6 Meteors (I think they were German), SU-35s with 6 R-77-1s, and most F-22s and F-35s run AIM-120D1 or later, so while maybe older fighters should have less good weapons the best of the best are being equipped relatively accurately by you guys.
Roger
@@grimreapers Never heard that Meteor throttles down to m1.0 before....because the ramjet doesn't work at that speed....cruise speed is a lot higher....
Standard Lossemouth QRA is 4 Meteor and 4 Asraam + 2 tanks as well...has been for an age. The AIM-120B will have all gone to Ukraine as they were end of life, the C-5 are soon as well and will be discarded once the D-3 are delivered shortly.
Usa supplying airframes to a country they embargeoed for illegal acts in the 1980sis a bit crazy.
That would be a pretty good time to attack.
Falklands Islands: We're under attack. Argentine forces are landing.
Britain: (looks at calendar) Oh, ha ha. I'm not falling for that. Happy April Fools Day!
With a maximum range of around 500ft can F16As even get from the mainland to the Falklands? Surely, they'll spend most of their time hitting tankers, and all the Typhoons need to do are take down the tankers.
Hey CAP. You may have heard my other comment about the Russian Gremyashchiy class Corvette. I also found this Russian destroyer the Lider class destroyer.
We also have the RNQElizabeth and the RNHMSPOW. No one messes with them.
Do you have a way for us to try out your version of mods?
Neg, only normal public versions are available for all.
Do you have a source location that you grab public versions of mods? Or a List of places with modders you guys use?@@grimreapers
i think you should do it wth all human pilots and all pilots should have more than 500 hour flight time. that would be much realistic.
Simba did you did well as always, ole chapy my boy . . .
thank you, I enjoyed the challenge and I thought I was able to do well enough to showcase that while the brits had the technology advantage the couldn't nessicerly come out un saved.
I'd suggest 1 Vanguard class submarine has the final word if needed
What did you use for the Argentinian invasion fleet?
3 rowing boats and a raft made from turnips
Hey chaps! That scenerio was, "How well would Britain do if it had the U.S. defense budget and blew it all on the Falklands. Why don't you try that again with a realistically affordable number of meteors.
Ive already basically done this in a previous comment, lemme go and c+p that for ya (sorry if some things dont apply to ya)
well he did say the british got a days notice about a imminent attack and flew in 8 typhoons, and he explained the heavy meteor loadout, even then it woudnt of mattered, 4 Typhoons x 3 F-16's Splashed each = 16. Thats half of what they could buy. Even then, the airframes are old, some would have to turn back. Add into it that the typhoons could go back to base, refuel and rearm (if required) and head back up and probally get another 3 F-16.s Or more. Im not aware of the scenario you mentioned but if the line of F-16's is how it was in the video then each Typhoon would splash more than 3 each as they are far apart from each other meaning its 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 in a bad case scenario. Typhoon wins those, better pilot quality (Argentinian Pilots are notorious for spending very little time in the air and none in combat scenarios) put that with the Argentina's lack of understanding about the aircraft with just getting it. You cant defend what you are trying to. Regardless how you say it or test it theres only so much you can do in a game, look at the facts and figures and the UK wins. 999/1000 times.
even with 4 typhoons, 2/3 meteors each the British still win.
That was remarkable 34 F16s where shot down in about 3 minutes! With RL deconfliction that would likely be far more impressive.
Yup sometimes it just works out well.
3 minutes of mayhem then back for tea and medals.
The only moan I ever have about any of these WarGames is that the AI is always set to Ace level. If Argentina do receive these aircraft and a scenario like this was to happen, not a single one of them would be considered an Ace. At least not right away. Moan over, carry on as before good sir!
I was just saying the same thing. Wonder how many years it would take them to get even the most basic competency in air operations. It takes a culture to build a AF that I think they would almost be starting not exactly from scratch but close.
Its because the DCS AI isnt the best, so the Ace level is around the closest thing to an average pilots skill.
@@tetraxis3011 That makes sense to be fair. I really didn't want to be negative, I absolutely love the vids that Cap does and totally understand the work that goes into them.
Maybe I should have been a bit more inquisitive before I went full moan. Sorry Reapers.
You make a good point, the sim needs to take into account that those F-16s are being piloted by untrained, half starved communists.
@@jamespaladino2784 I think it has been said that Ukraine's pilots will be training for up to 6 months on F-16s before going up against Russia. I don't know about ground crew and maintenance groups.
I hope the boys keep practicing their RAF Banter,
'till Cap either submits to it or has a meltdown 🤣
hmm
What we have been told here in Denmark is that the airframes of our F16s are at the end of their lifespan. Developing cracks etc.
It's a shame to see it go but isn't the Danish Air force replacing it with the F35?
@@charliezz6746 yes, I believe we had the first F35 delivered to us a couple of months ago.
The F-16 sale is definitely geopolitics at play but from a military point of view, in the highly unlikely event that something did escalate to the level of a Falklands War 2, I can think of a few advantages to the UK in Argentina having F16 rather than JF-17. Firstly, the characteristics of the F-16 are presumably better understood by the UK vs the JF-17 and secondly if the conflict dragged on there should be more opportunities for the UK and our allies to make getting spare parts difficult for Argentina - shades of the Exocet shenanigans happening in the shadows in 1982 - compared to our abilities to disrupt JF-17 supply chains. And I suppose thirdly, but sort of related to the last point, if Argentina wanted to try and pre-empt any supply issues by stocking up before a conflict started I would think that UK and allied intelligence agencies would be better able to detect such signals from the F-16 supply chains vs the JF-17 supply chain. Basically better the enemy you know.