SATA RPS VS 3M PPS
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- This is a Review & Demo of the SATA RPS VS 3M PPS Disposable paint pot systems, you may be surprised at the results of the flow rate test I did.
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another great vid, 3M pps for me, been using them several years, never thrown a liner away yet, the ones with 2k get used for putting screws etc for strip downs in body shop, water base ones get kept with common colors or rinsed out for primers later if time.
you can buy the lids for pps seperatly or now i think they doing them with extra lid options
over standard gun pot vs liner system its a no brainer, i also use the liner system at home in my own garage saves huge amounts on thinners and excess waste
Sata rps at my shop. Even after pre straining waterbase through 125 micron, you still get junk pushing through pps screen due to the cup being pressurized. Sata rps retains the original design of the gravity feed spray gun. Flow rates are an improvement with rps.
I've used them booth a lot. But I think the RPS are the answer for me! Good video Gunny.
great video man a lot of good information about both guns,
I've used the 3m gun for the last few years. but I'm going to try the PPS 👍
Great video! Just take note that 3M will be releasing a new cup. And would you guess, it looks almost identical to the RPS cup. They are being tested in California. There is a painter on Instagram who posted a few videos on them.
Spraying with the gun upside down may not be a thing when painting a car but for us airplane guys it does come in handy.
B. MacNicol yes it does. My boss tried to convert our spray cups to the setup system
Thanks for another great vid
Gunny as mentioned previously the DeKups are a great system, too bad they don't offer them in Australia. I got a sample kit with around 10 liners, filters and plugs for around $30 as I recall and have really liked the throw away aspect vs. cleaning a pot. Use them on my trusty Eastwood Concours gun but that one is now relegated as a primer gun since I bought a Tekna Pro Lite on your recommendation. Will shoot my first project with it soon but an awesome tool and excited to try it out.
Great video Gunny...NOw here is a good question (since I bought one)...How is the 3M PPS system GUN with the changeable tips? More cost but wondering how you think it sprays ? and at 20 PSI at the gun instead of 28 or 29 ...an easier load on my compressor...BUT how does it spray base and clear ?
Great video my friend and to tell you the truth I forgot the click on rps today and what a mess. lol. Thank you for the review and it coming.
Love your video's. Question: did you just spray a coat of clear over the door and then immediately spray another coat on it? Why? And did not realize you could do that. Thanks for the time in making these vid's to help educate.
So what do you use for primers? Do you use a quick cup system and how do you deal with the filters on primers especially the high build primers? Thanks.
I've used both types at different body shops I'm a pps guy the one big thing that I hate about the rps is the air cap on the bottom the amount of times I've left my gun hung up in the booth come back and the cups empty and the booth filters and wall are covered
Hey Gunny I understand there is a PPS 2.0 out , ive been using the RPS system exclusively for the last few years and my PPS cup has sat on the shelf. Do you think the 2.0 is better and closer to the SATA RPS system now?
cheers Mr G
lol I just got some sata ones to try which is what the supplier who supplied both thinks are superior. I might want to paint under a truck so was gonna use the samples for that.
halo gunny good disposal cup.. but spend alot of money for that..
For industrial it will make more easier though..tq mate for the explaination...
very nice, I use the 3m
awesome review as always and good timing mate I was able to catch it be the flight out. I use my standed pots most time but occasionally I use the rps we have them all set up at work. couple of tips for others using them. you old 2" tape rolls save them and use them to store your rps cups up side down in them reason for this is 1: they won't fall over 2: keeps the filter wet if it days it gets crusty and shit gets in your base and then in your job. Also rps are washable so can be used muiltable times I have got over 20 uses out of one cup and filter. so huge saving there.
+Rick Sammons (rixsta) I just guess it defeats the purpose of a disposable pot if you're cleaning it to me though. Wouldn't it be just the same as cleaning your standard pot?
+The Gunman yeh your not wrong there also, it's always a toss up of time vs price. but just as a tip they have that function to be reused if needed.
Lol 😂
where do you get the quick cups ? or who makes them ? I have looking for a pps liner alternative
Gunman, thanks for all your reviews, they have helped very much, even though we work in very different fields. I am a military aircraft painter, and have been using PPS for must of my career, using 3M Accuspray, but mostly a TeknaPro (been trying to convince the other painter to forsake Sata and go for DevlBiss)
Trying to find your video where you use a similar PPS cups to 3M.. pls post a link.. Thanks
Hi Gunny! Maybe i`m a little late, and maybe you already know, that Sata 4400b has same side QCC "threads" than full size Satajet. I like RPS cups are better than 3M PPS or any other, because RPS cups are so simple to use.. Thank you Gunny!
Hey gunman. Great vid, I'm only a back yard hack doing restos on my cars and some mates.
I run the sata rps cups, you can push your cup in all sorts of directions, just push on it you won't hurt it.
Also just a heads up you can by a copy of the sata Rps from eBay. Very hard to tell the difference except it comes in plain packaging, it's still marked as Sata rps. I was getting them for 46$ aus for 56 cups and lid/ filter setups deliver was around 20$
Heaps cheaper then buying them from a paint rep
do you have a eBay product number for that?
I am using RPS at the moment but prefer pps I have found when you dispose the pps liners in the bin they take up less room instead of filling up your bin with cups
If you keep paint in pps cups on the bench for later use they tend to become brittle when you go to use them
Where as paint kept in pps liners and cups on the bench are better and are more safe to use
The other day I went to use some pre mixed water Bourne grey that was in my RPS cup and it cracked and it spilled all over the bench so in my opinion I prefer pps
Your comment said pps cups get brittle where as paint kept in pps liners and cups on bench are better. What did you mean there? I think one of those you meant as rps but no clue.
How does d kupps stack up mate
Using pps style cups theoretically convert your gravity feed spray gun into a suction feed gun. Turning your expensive sata etc into a $150 suction gun. Internals of the Sata spray guns are engineered specifically for Gravity feed pots. Not sure about lower quality brands.
Sven McGee A gravity feed gun also draws paint by the vacuum created at the nozzle. Using a PPS upright feeds no differently than a regular cup. This is easily demonstrated when turning the PPS equipped gun upside down and pulling the trigger. The vacuum at the air cap is drawing the paint.
Hahaha can so relate to the clear running out of the bottom because you forget to click the tab back in....Good review mate :-)
How about deKups?
I’m having trouble knowing what adaptor I need to add the pps option to my Devilbiss GTI Pro Lite. Any ideas which adapter I need? Is it a #15 -TIA
Yes it's 15 and of using PPS2 it's S15
Why would these PPS/RPS is preferred over the reusable plastic cups ? Wouldn’t a reusable cup saves money in the long term ? And keep plastic waste down too ? Thanks
hey man
so hard to hear when fan or some equipment is running at the background
Hi mate great videos , just wondering what is the Flow time like upside down? I’m House painter cheers
It's identical. Venturi plays more of a role than gravity.
Cheers mate🤙 because I was deciding between the 3m pps Or the pressure feed 3m pps h/o on some of my siphon feed and pressure feed guns. Thank you again for all your time and hard work you put into your videos, I learned so much through your videos and I don’t even paint cars
Hi Gunman, I have been using 3M PPS for some time, and when I was introduced to The SATA RPS system by a Sata tech rep he explained and showed me so much more. I believe that the Sata cups are so much more versatile. I suggest that you get someone that really knows about them before you review them yourself. I appreciate that you said that you preferred the sata cups but you haven't demonstrated the benefits at all well. e.g check out flow rate using product, not water, checkout the flexibility of the neck while attached to the gun, this feature has always been there! To topup, leave the filter section on the gun and remove just the cup, don't forget to squeeze ,close airvent and suck the paint out of the gun first, it couldn't be easier.
+Experience Counts did you do the flow rate test? People just seem to follow like sheep believing there's an improved flow rate without any proof. Holdout upside down doesn't prove much because the air sucks the paint through with no adverse effects in PPS, thanks for the feedback though and maybe you could make your own video. I didn't realize I could bend the RPS pot but when I did it just bent back while painting anyway and can hardly see any benefit from it either. Versatile like painting upside down?
+Experience Counts sorry if I seemed a bit pissed off in that first reply, this was the first comment I read when I woke up. Feedback is appreciated and thanks for watching.
hi i'm andre gunman from indonesia
if I have a sagola mini xtreme EPA spraygun and I want to pair it with a 3m pps system I have to buy what size adapter
Dre it’s on the 3m website dog
BUT COULD AND WOULD U FINISH A SHOW QUALITY CAR WITH THE 3M GUN HANDS DOWN
Was gonna ask,do yall get time for prime&block over in Australia?
Yes, I always get those panels as straight as possible
+The Gunman that's cool,here that's all included in the "refinish" time.Get paid the same if it's a new panel or edge to edge body work
We get prime and block in az but its not enough. But better than nothing. We get 1 hr for a big job say, 8 hrs of bonding work.
It’s like getting the same paint time for a used panel as a new panel, it is not the same.
Hey what website can I buy the 3m knockoff quick cups from?
Email my mate Chris at info@spraygunsdirect.co.uk and ask if he's got them.
what's the name on those cheaper ones mate??
+Joaquim Boto quick cup system
+The Gunman yes...got that from the video eheheheh
I mean the brand!
can't find it on eBay.
tnx
Joaquim Boto We get from Finixa Australia, doubt they'd be on eBay
OK cool mate.... I'll keep looking around :)
Tnx
Can understand the bloody Basard.
Hey gunny how are you mate good video we use the PPS and i like them but going to ask about the sata rps give them a try see if i like them more like you alway's say get up and paint some shit & bog that car!
After using the RPS again yesterday on a bigger job where I had to top up twice on the go I have moved away from them, they create an airlock in the top and paint gets trapped above the filter then when unscrewing the cap, paint just goes all over the place, I wish that happened before I made the review.
The Gunman The same thing happed to me with the PPS but you know the rps if you say no good there no good thank's mate!
Good vid. but pps is def the way to go
i have used 3m pps for 15 years . sata rps did not work for me at all
sorry gunny, I love your vids as a fellow tradesman. but too much pushing for spraygunsdirect recently. I realise, a guy gotta earn some coins, but its all about products these days. rps has so many cons, having to remember to do this, and do that etc. pps is so much simpler. still continuing to watch the vids tho mate :)
Hi mate, I greatly appreciate the feedback and have taken it on board, if I was to ask myself the same question I know the answer would be the same as yours. I have always done product reviews though and is a big part of what my channel is about but I must admit it did get pretty expensive buying things that I really didn't need just so I could review them so the partnership is mutually beneficial and does seem to make sense to me, most of the feedback if not all has been positive from anyone who does deal with SGD though and I do honestly believe they are a good crew up there providing great service and competitive prices, if I didn't believe that then I doubt I'd be doing what I do with them. Maybe I could just do a SGD delivery video every time I get something new from them, make a mention to them and the products I've got then in the review just focus 100% on the product, not where it came from. I do hope you continue to watch and apologise if you feel like you're being force fed unwanted ads.
After using the RPS again yesterday on a bigger job where I had to top up twice on the go I have moved away from them, they create an airlock in the top and paint gets trapped above the filter then when unscrewing the cap, paint just goes all over the place, I wish that happened before I made the review but hey that's painting I guess.
Keep it up mate. Ur such a decent guy. U take constructive critisim on board without any offence taken. And ppl deffo wanna see the products out there. Id like to see more prep and repair personally. And would love to see teaching ur apprentices. Showing us ur teachinf them will teach so many others who watch
Cheers gunny
$2 a wack for pps all i use
Old video. Pps 2.0 are the jam funny how there are a few peoples comments on how you can re-use both pps and rps. Ummm whats the point ok spending money on disposable cups when a reusable cup cost like 20$.
3m PPS stink! I only use sata cups.
What a horrible thing that rps cup is. Clicking a silly little vent open and closed is a recipe for lots of wasted material.
müll becher 3M ist besser einfacher
RPS Flawles Victory