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"Found and Explained didn't write you a personal note in the description, are you crazy?" but here's the rub, I will know, and I will know that you know I know, and that is ever so more sweeter. But hey, don't tell anyone else, this can be our little secret ;)
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USA, Europe and Russia have been dominating the world of aviation for decades, but in recent years, a new competitor has emerged.
meet the new power from the east!
The Chinese 5th gen jet has already entered operational service and it´s numbers are rapidly growing.
But is it any good or just a cheap copy of its counterparts?
Stick with me today to get answers to why the J-20 might be… not what you think.
The J-20 story begins with the J-XX program back in the 90s.
It was, at the time, a very ambitious program started by Chinese government to procure next gen fighter.
Why was it very ambitious you may ask?
Well, to put it simply, China was so far from actually successfully building this kind of aircraft
Namely because:
They didn’t have the know how
They didn´t have the engines
And definitely no experience with stealth technology
The only thing they had was vast experience with copying soviet aircraft during the cold war and that age old essential ingrenent - money. But the fall of their long term ally - the soviet union, would prove to be detrimental for their success.
The first step towards new fighter was acquiring almost all top tier Soviet tech from the new formed, desperate for cash, Russian and Ukrainian governments during the 90s and early 2000s.
The second was huge data leak of F-35 documentation orchestrated by Chinese hackers back in 2009.
To sum it up, the Chinese gathered the most they could and planned to build their new jet with experiences from both sides. A perfect blend of east and west.
After being chosen over Shenyang in 2008, Chengdu aircraft corporation unveiled their first prototype in 2011.
But the world welcomed it with a lot of skepticism.
All of a sudden, every CZcamsr has become an aircraft expert with a doctor's degree in aviation, and can also calculate RCS with the naked eye. Perhaps this is the success of American public education.
😂 Typical western propoganda. J20 is better than F35 & F22 just as the Iphone can't keep up with Huawei so they had to politicize and concoct fake propoganda against Huawei.
We call that remote farming, amazing US technology.
@@hwf090909 😂😂😂
Yeah and only digital images of the magical aircraft
well american youtubers still have their creativity and individuality intact. With a little bit of reading of the history of espionage it is not hard to see how the J20 came about. No different than the russian concord copy and the russian space shuttle both accomplished with stolen plans. Not to mention the boeing b29's that the soviets reverse engineered. The J20 looks like it was built by model kit bashing and a hot glue gun. But without the powerpland AND the avionics the j20 is just for parades. Oh and sure you could overwhelm a battle group by throwing 1000 of them at it but they won't be coming home.
Gosh 5th gen look absolutely gorgeous regardless of nationality
Yeah it is.
What the hell are the two little pieces in the back that point down called? Some diffuser or somethin?
Gives the plane an X look instead of a V.
They all look american copying the same design solutions. Lame. They use to be all unique looking, you could tell between russian, european and American design but not anymore. Amercan design has taken over.
@@Tonius126 maybe because the US has the best aircraft. Why waste time and money when you can just copy it?
@@Tonius126 it’s not really “American”
It’s because it’s stealth
It HAS to look like that to be stealthy
And none of the Eastern designs look remotely American
The European designs also look dramatically different
The defusers, the cockpit, the wings, all are very different from American designs
@@Tonius126 it’s like saying the Mig 29 looks American just cause it’s 4th gen
Every generation of fighters look similar, because they all have similar goals
Early jets all look pretty similar, the Mig 15 and F-86 look almost exactly the same if you arnt paying attention
The Mig 21 and F-4 are probably the most pronounced jet designs
Idk what you are talking about
The DSI design is not stolen from the F-35, China already had DSI bumps in the export FC-1 fighters sold to Pakistan in the early 2000s before the first F-35 flew
Yes indeed , FC-1 is first fighter who uses DSI design. Just like his name Flighter China number one
This is how absurd this world works
FC-1 known in Pakistan as the JF-17 "Thunder"
The f22 was in development since the 1980s
F22 doesn't have DSI intake ur morron@@jakobespinoza1130
Plane doesn't look like F22:
"This is not stealthy"
Plane has the slightest resemblance to F22:
"Oh it must be a copy"
👌
Stealth only helps before the fight. After that it's all about firepower speed and having massive balls.
Y'all are 0 out of 3
Lookup China's Tofu-dreg buildings. They look like buildings, but their construction was so shortcutted, they are extremely subpar on construction standard.
China made those buildings look good to convince everyone they were built well as they appeared.
Not to mention China did gain access to the F-22 blueprints.
Going on past history, I'd say your Chinese variation looks nice, but what matters is what you can't see.
@@lissettelopez8331 Those tofu-dreg building are not made by top aerospace company in China which is supersede by CCP
Your skeleton is very similar to mine, are you my child, the child born to my mistress outside? Because your bones are so similar to us humans, you copied my genes, and my mistress gave birth to you? Yes, you are my child 😂😂🤣🤣
As long as the skeleton is the same as mine, they are all my children, by the way, Westerners are all children born to my mistress, because Westerners copy my genes, otherwise how can they be so similar to me, by the way, they must have copied my genes, they stole my genes, otherwise why are the body size so similar 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 to me So Westerners are my children 🤪🤪🤪
If you really study the history of Chinese Warplane development, you could trace back the aerodynamic design to J9, which was developed in the 70s, earlier than MIG1.44 (2000s), and the designer of J20, Yang Wei, is the student of the Designer of J9 and J10, he inherited the design philosophy
@fashmoog6071 neither he is replying to anybody
@fash moog Nobody wants to see your speech without a tutor
@fash moog cope! 😂
Can I know from where can I also learn avionics history??
@fash moog go watch japanese cartoon with ur mom
Didnt expect the Not What You Think crossover at the end 😂 Love both channels!
Exactly!
You can say, that it wasn't what you thought
@@ballblaster7662 yeaa same, i shouldn't have read the comments i guess ;(
but i was wondering from the moment i read the title lol
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But the reason is Not what you think
China has been using the DSI since the JF-17, saying it is ignorant of aviation industry technology to copy the F35. The J20's canard is flush with the main wing, unlike the canard of current 4th generation fighters, and has the same stealth impact as the F22's horizontal tail.
Are you still busy stealing from usa and Russia at the moment ? 😂
The leak of F35 data happened in 2009, and then J-20 first flight was on January 11, 2011. So what aspects of the design can be modified in such a short time?
The plane doesn't look anything like F35. Only someone blind and with IQ 20 can say that their airframes look the same. And those pictures from the front are so misleading. Pretty much all modern jets look like that and have engines on the sides of cockpit. Big deal. Its like say BTR is a copy of a logicstic truck because they both have round wheels........
Very smart!
This guy just fanboys american Jets
IQ 20🤣
It's possible it was in regards to stealth-specific features, such as RAM (Radar Absorbent Materials) to further reduce RCS. And it's also possible that it served as inspiration in suggesting how to redesign certain features, what failed on the F-22 and F-35 designs, etc. Why make the same mistakes someone already made for you?
Stealth capabilities don't particularly matter when testing the aerodynamic abilities of an air frame
Something to add. The first aircraft uses DSI intake that entered service is actually the Chinese develop FC-1 / JF-17.
more than 5 chinese warplanes use DSI😂
@@meandoctrine6639 they do now. not than. jf-17 was the first
Correction: WS 15 engine has passed the trail tests. It is at the pre-manufacture stage.
WS-15 has been tested on a J-20. However it will not go ahead until the engine is certified. Also pretty recently, the entire cockpit has been redesigned as well as the front. (Called the J-20B but is not the old J-20B)
The version with redesigned cockpit and humped back is numbered J-20 no.2051, in case anyone wants to look up what it’s like.
It's still a flying garbage can
@@thenewnews6342 sure buddy whatever makes you happy 😘
@@thenewnews6342 Please keep this mindset and spread it widely, thank you!
@@user-di1xb2no4y ok he was aggressive calling it garbage can, but still.... It remains a bad jet... Half inspired by stolen blueprints and half filled in with weak solutions to the gaps of stolen tech, and no engine to support the thing, cause Chinese are still learning how to build them
Laying something really quick, the photo on 00:46 was made by a Chinese military fan few years before the maiden flight of J20 prototype 2001. Its totally finctional and the creater actully just laying MIG 1.44’s edge on his artwork. I saw his comment on bilibili with this image that he created. With some reliable source, J20’s designed role has many similarity with the previous J9 V and J9 VI project.
The J-20s role was never to intercept F-22s and F-35s, they were designed to take-down AWACS and Oil Tankers/Refuelers hence, the long fuselage since it stores more missiles and fuel. Moreover, they were designed to fly longer since it's dedicated to fight in the Pacific Ocean where nearby landmasses are far away.
Furthermore, a key design in the J-20 are its canards. The canards are for short take-off and landing since the Chinese government is expecting that at the early stages of a war in the Pacific, the US can send in hundreds of cruise missiles from nearby warships, bombers, and cargo aircrafts effectively saturating military targets and runways. Because of this, they designed the J-20 with canards to take-off and land with limited runway.
So what does China have against stealth jets?
Canards will not help you take off small runways.
The J20 is long and small cowards will not produce enough lift to make a short take off.
@@polls. taking down AWACS and aerial refuelers would cripple any fleet in the vastness of the Pacific ocean, the Chinese had solid plans for this thing but it didn’t seems like they had a technological edge over the American since the F-35 and a few other fighters can act as an AWACS too. But still, crippling the aerial refueling fleet and AWACS would put a lot of the technological edge of the West into the dumpster but the West are too aware of this and hence why we are stuck in a new arms race.
Canards don’t help with take-off but they can help with landing. For taking off you need thrust and wing loading. The main use of canards is to create stability in high speed, high AOA situations. It’s a band aid that address poor lifting body airflow and poor wing design.
Canards does not guarantee that a fighter has short take off distance.
Depends on what the canards are designed to do. Depends on the placement and the loading of the canards.
In the saab gripen, canards help with short take off and landing distance.
In the eurofighter canards are specifically designed for manoeuvrability and does not help in take off at all.
According to PLAAF naming traditions the two-seat J20 will probably be named the J20S, with the "S" stands for 双 (shuang, means two or bi-), meaning it's a two seat version. Some examples are J10S, J11BS etc.
确实
Shuang means pair...two is er*....so E?
The animations are looking REALLY good! Keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
Good on you, Found and Explained, for what is definitely the best video on the J-20 I've seen yet. I like that you acknowledged all the tech acquisition and heritage with the 1.44 and beyond. I think this is a paragon example of an unbiased analysis. Fantastic work! Subscribed!!
People may ridicule the J-20's weaknesses and how it cannot go toe to toe with F-22A or F-35A. But they're forgetting the most important aspect and that is J-20 being China's first attempt at making combat operational stealth aircraft, and we can all agree that they made a pretty good job for the first try.
Yeah, after stealing other nations tech lol
True, give it time, the slow coal fire steam engine train will become the high speed magnetic levitation train of today.
I mean China doesn't need 5 years time, or 5 months, just 5 hours more.
不管是美国还是中国的隐身飞机都没有经过实战，没有比较的可行性！
no they didn't. they paid for stolen blue prints. i don't know who should worry more the government of China or its people getting bamboozled on this bullshit. waste of money. don't ne so desperate.
Why'd you say that when you never see them in combat?
You forgot about one of the most decisive feature about the J-20:
Its range. It easely outranges any other 5th gen fighter wich makes it perfect for long range intercepts and of shore sea strike missions
Two things the chinese might need in a fight against high developed contries
China doesn't have as good refueling capabilities though.
@@polls. that's why the J20 has such a massive range compared to other 5th gen fighters
Not just need… have you seen any Chinese tankers? Me neither… it’s a bomber from the 70’s mounted with refuel pods… in other words, they don’t have one…
@@AaronShenghao
Well they have their Y-20 tanker version but only in limited numbers but if they could make more of them the circumstances might change drasticly
At that massive size, it certainly a lot of room for fuel not mention those 4 pylon fuel tanks.
China’s DSI air inlet design was the JF17 for Pakistan Air Force, which happened in later 1990. It is much earlier than F35 DSI inlet.
These people love to badmouth China. But they are victims of US propaganda, so I don’t really hold it against them.
Truth
The planes every country is making now are absolutely beautiful.
You have been pumping out videos at a super high rate. Love it and all your videos!
I like how absurdly wrong western media can get when it comes to J-20, it’s like we are not living in the same world
Actually the most critical views of J-20 are of Chinese ex-pats..They actually raise more interesting concrete counter points that aren't in western media reportings,like info coming from inside of China itself .
That's a mess of a jet, nothing to comment more.... Badly copied from stolen parts of f117, and stolen data... As always.
Yeah, I heard it can deploy sharks that shoot laser beams.
@@USAviation85 and has a built in rice cooker, to survive the long flights, since the engine runs on communist spirit and it never stops
Have you ever wondered, they did it on purposes, not just the J-20, also some other stuff come from CHINA?😃
The j20 and f22 look alike because they face the same aerodynamic constraints and stealth requirements, just as dolphins and fish have evolved to adapt to the same ocean environment. Moreover, each type of fighter jet is different because of its use requirements, mission mission, and design, so that what looks very similar is actually completely different. You can't go around copying parts of other aircraft and putting them together to make a working aircraft. It's systems engineering. It's not as simple as you think. I guess the youtubers are experts in aerodynamics and after careful study they will say that Chinese planes are stolen and copied junk.
yeah just like all cars have 4 wheels, you can't say they are copying each other!
so ture😂
The new WS-15 engine was seen on J20 for flight testing last year, so 2 more years to go before its formal adoption
量产了
大哥 WS15已经量产稳定了，不是实验品了，还解决了稀土材料问题，发动机寿命大大提高
I just love when two of my favorite channels interact!
Made me laugh louder than my neighbors would like me to at 2 AM
Shout out to Not What You Think youtube channel for having the "not what you think" line in the title
CHINA NUMBER 1
USA LAST
@@fuhwa7515 CHINA NUMBER 1 AT BEING DESTROYED.
USA LAST AND WINS
@@fuhwa7515 Yup, Boy!!
@@fuhwa7515 ya bro, china bigger navy
@@memrman8331 China's navy doesn't even compare to the US navy, parasite
Best thing to do is don’t overestimate and don’t underestimate the enemy.
China is the only other country to actually field a fifth gen fighter in any numbers it's said to have around 200
Man your videos are soooo good. Been watching you from almost the very start of your channel. You’re one of the only channels I look forward to dropping videos ❤
Now would be a really good time to post some Kizilelma stuff! Almost identical to the J-20. Really interested to see how you would depict it.
Yeah that plane just took off and I think Russia is terrified of it even more so than f22s and f35s because the company that designed it is bayraktar and they might sell it to Ukraine.
@Mark Aspen No I'm from Australia
@Anna Truth What land? Australian land. They can come and try. Would be pretty funny to see them fail seeing how they can barely take some Ukrainian land despite having already had Russian mercs present there for 8 years..
@@hellothere1656 Excellent point! 😂
@Anna Truth you are either nuts or insane, or both. 😂😂. Pick one! 😂
What do you use to create your videos?
And where to you get in copyrighted videos of aircraft?
Would love to know. Thx
If others did the same, you'd call it "copy" or "steal". But, if you did the same, you'd call it "borrow" or "see eye to eye". Such as B-2, is it a "copy" or a "borrow" of Horton 229 in your eyes.
Amazing animation and also good comparison between east and west planes
Wow you released 5 videos this week 😍
This channel is on productivity steroids ,well done 👍
感谢你们中肯的评价！
This plane is 50 years behind. It’s not what you see, it’s eye of the beholder
Coming from an engineering background you can see that people are quite fooled by the media thinking that J20 is a complete copy or just "made in China". Japan went through a copy phase and Germany tried to stop them for decades before WW1. They had to go through their own Research & Development stage. Supply chain differences, materials differences, design differences, software differences (from satellite to radar different technologies). Anyone with actual engineering knowledge and not just regurgitating some youtuber's US intelligence shill information would know that from them making the right molds to using the right materials and manufacturing capabilities to creating the process from beginning to end, surely know that the J20 is 99% inspired by others but designed by China.
Not to mention how big the Chinese economies are growing and now Saudi Arabia and Russia are now even closer allied to China , which mean the Chinese will have more budget and resources to develop their technologies further in the short future. Mean while US is heavily in debt. 'Maybe' now China cant compete with the US weapons but they definitely will surpass the US in the short future.
Lol "it's not copy, just inspired" hence why china steals countless IPs for Russia and American jet blueprints
You must be Chinese by blood I assume? Missing some relevant facts, I'm also not sure how Japan is relevant in this discussion but of course they live rent free in the CCP's (and han's) mind.
To call the J-20 a design made by China is debatable considering they still rely on Russian engines for the craft. While yes there has been an attempt with the WS-15, its still widely impractical for any combat use considering the maintenance and reliability of a Made in China jet engine, which even the PLAAF recognizes. The J-20's EOTS is a direct copy of the F-35's and this can be explained with the 2007 leakings of F-35 technical documents Chinese hackers got their grimey little hands on. No one's really being fooled by considering the J-20 a copycat, because it is.
Any country will steal other countries top secret weapons if giving a chance... so stealing other top secret weapon/technology IS A NORM not a big surprise only if you are living under the rock!
should've added a cannon or gun to it. 👍 see: F-4 Phantom for details.
If the serial numbers from the Zhuhai airshow is anything to go by, there are probably 200+ operational planes already.
J20 is a sniper stealth, it can climb so hight that other 5th gen can't reach him and can fire at longer range. A very good defensive Aircraft
Absolutely wrong. It couldn't even go vertical at an air show recently, the engines are highly inadequate.
@@JSFGuythat’s… not how you climb… you usually angle up a certain degrees to climb, not vertical,
@@imnewlight Not at all the same, to demonstrate performance they do a max climb, most any fighter jet can go vertical. Not talking about a corporate generally aviation category climb. If you didn't know that why would you comment?
@@JSFGuy “most any” do you know anything about fighter jets? They can only do that if they have a twr of 1 or over, most, are under, if they are under, they can only climb with afterburners, which most don’t because they consume a lot of fuel
@@imnewlight do I know anything about fighter jets? Did you see my photo? I know what I'm talking about, you clearly do not. Upload some content to your channel why don't you?
I love how it almost sounds like the video will end with not what you thinks video ending
The j20 is usually underestimated constantly (Not by US military officials tho) either way understimation of an enemy always works to their advantage lol
US Military officials usually overestimate to get funding
@@-p2349 US military officials have way more credibility than random ass CZcamsrs and basement dwelling keyboard warriors.
@@TheRealIronMan Goodness gracious! rofl.
@@TheRealIronManyeah, like the politicians, and what do we know about politicians? They lie. A lot.
I'm more of an American aircraft enthusiast, however I do believe and agree the J-20 is no what many thought at first. Would be interesting to see your take on the J-31, I personally like that plane's looks :D
@@stuartemmanuel3735 Sure. Only the future will tell.
@@stuartemmanuel3735 Yeah, NGAD and F/Xx are also coming soon. The B21 Raider is already here. All of them will show the world why American was, is and always will be the leader in Stealth. The Chinese can't build anything they don't steal. That's not how you innovate. It's how you follow. Just like China always will.
@@stuartemmanuel3735 Nobody is gonna win
@@stuartemmanuel3735 okay calm down now bud😂
@@andryxa1p845 hey man the US was considered an underdog once. Look where we’re at now.
The aerodynamic design of fighter jets is mainly not about the appearance of certain places, but the design of all elements, using coupled canards, abandoning the horizontal tail, and meanwhile adopting a full-motion vertical tail. This is no longer feasible just by simple copycats. It greatly increased the difficulty of flight control design, so that the US always avoided using such a design. It is naïve to think that a country like China under CoCom and Wassenaar Arrangement multilateral export controls could produce a most advanced fighter by just copycat F-35's design documents. The same as it's impossible for United States to build International Space Station without the cooperation of Russia, Europe, Japan and Canada. If it's possible, then forget about those useless design documents.
China 🇨🇳 built ISS by itself 😅
Believe there's always an exception to the rule and there's nothing impossible for the chinese
@DordDord1206LOL. I believe that he is brighter than you. At least he listed some vaild examples to prove his opinions while you show nothing 🤣
because Japan russia europe and japan invent things. chinese just copy
@@chronicandironic8701 The western suffered from anti - China hysteria 😂😂😂
Something that isn't often featured: their naval attack aspect.
These aircraft are to challenge american carrier groups and would probably mostly carry anti ship missiles in their role.
They are not purebred air superiority fighters like the F-22
Yeah but they been flying these in four ship formations at air shows and pulling sick maneuvers. It’s air superiority aspect can only grow as better avionics are developed
@dukeofwar1003
Precisely.
China knows any war with the United States would primarily be one taking place in the Pacific ocean around their home turf, and the exceptionally long range of the J-20 makes it very well suited for those operations.
That and interception of high value air targets (in-air refueling and AWACS). The doctrine they seem designed for isn't to get into fights with F-22s and F-35s (whether dogfights or BVR), it's to deny the US the ability to operate them near China in the first place.
There was no Mig 1.44 at all. The J-20 used the existing design from their J-9 back in the 60s and 70s, and made it into a stealth aircraft with F-22 as the base configuration with a frontal intake similar to the F-35.
Mentioning Mig 1.44 makes the subject look very unprofessional.
@@izana6179 just Aussie propaganda while blowing their USA masters...
The intakes came from the jf17
What is the computer design program that you use for your aircraft animations?
lol i remember a guy who worked on the f22- saying whenever he worked on the programming he had to get swept through security and work in a copper cage, then they hacked and got info on the f35, give them some time with all that info i wouldn’t be surprised if they develop something comparable or even better(considering their cost of production is a lot cheaper than the US. )
Not what you think and Found and explained needs to do a full collaboration
The aerodynamic design of J20 was really heavily based on the J9VI-II wind tunnel model back to the 1976 as a part of the J9 project (which was cancelled due to the lack of fund and no access to an equivalent engine), not mig 1.44.
Even if the PLA was indeed bankrupt af back in those days, it still had access to one of the most capable wind tunnels in the world. The 611 institution which designed J10 and J20 basically figured out all of the currently-using VLO/LO designs and evaluated the corresponding performance and feasibility in the early 90s. But the PLAAF wasn't really determined to a 5(4)th gen aircarft by then for its lack of fund and motivation. It had more interest to a 4.5(3.5)th gen one based on the Flanker aerodynamic design so the Shenyang Aircarft Industry which produces the license-manufacturing Su27SK would easily produce the 4.5th gen fighter in a large quantity (which later became the J16 project).
As for the whole 5th gen plan, it really started in the late 90s, when the 611 institution had already worked out the aerodynamic design but hadn't yet completed the avionics system and stealth technology. Its rivalry, the 601 institution which later designed the J16 also came up with the J14 "Snow Owl" design but failed the bid.
As for the canard, I can find a thousand open-source papers about whether it will harm the RCS with different conclusions. If there's one thing I can really conclude with all these above, it's DO NOT CALCULATE THE RCS WITH YOUR NAKED EYES.
Definitely no viable calculation of RCS with naked eyes. Cuz just by looking at F35 one would think that all those goose bumps would make it less stealth than F22, but in fact, due to the development of computer simulations of stealth characteristics of contoured surfaces over the decades more rounded surfaces could be incorporated into a fighter without compromising any stealth as seen on F117 vs B2 or B21. F35 is definitely not less stealthy than F22
@@franksun4017 Indeed, and people tend to ignore the development of composite material for stealth and the avionics system, which also contributes to lower RCS in the real conflict.
Any surface can reflect radio waves. Any extra surface just increases the chances of this happening. A plane with canards will never be as stealthy as the same plane without it. The key is determining if the performance benefit outweighs the increase in RCS. Stealth coatings and CAD can reduce the chances of being detected, but the canards are not helping lower the RCS by any means. Add in modern AESA radar and the J20 will be tracked before it ever knows an F22 is in the air and that isn't even including the advances made in the AIM 260.
@@stephenhood2948 You have to take into consideration that there is nothing important inside the canard wings. The entirety of the canard wings could be made out of composite that’s more transparent to certain radar frequencies, similar how putting a cover on a radar doesn’t make it blind. Canards are not extra surfaces, F22 has stabilizers too, it’s just that if the radar wave is coming from the front, it would be covered by the wings. If waves come from the side or the rear, it would still be present. The main reason why people have the concept of canard being not stealth, is because usually they are placed higher than the main wings creating reflection zones and that they most certainly creates right angles with the fuselages evidently seen on something like a J10 or Saab gripen. Neither of these traits are seen on J20, and canards on J20 are in fact made out of some type of unspecified composite.
@@franksun4017 You cannot escape the fact that it is an extra surface to reflect radio emissions. I'm not saying that a plane with canards cannot have a low radar cross section, I am saying if you have 2 identical planes, one with canards, one without, the one without will have a smaller RCS, even if it is a very small amount of difference. Factoring in new AESA radars and it only compounds this problem.
The front view when all flaps and canards are raised looks so badass
Let's not forget the new J-35 as well. Based on the FC-31.
Holy Crap, this NWYT part was really funny
CHINA NUMBER 1
USA LAST
Last one standing in case of a war 👍
@@fuhwa7515 bot
To be honest the main problem with Chinese engine isn't the performance is the life span,the Chinese ws10 engine is develop from cfm56 the performance is the same as the f110-ge-135 on the early model,the one use on j-20 is while weaker then the pw f119 that the f-22 used,it is was the best in the f-110 family in terms on performance (they all base on the same core engine)btw the new ws-10 have use the technology that use on the cfm leap-x as well so the fuel efficiency isn't bad as well
It's WS-10C instead of baseline WS-10. Baseline WS-10 was used in J-10A, and never put into J-20 at any point. The early prototype J-20s used Russian AL-31 engines, which was underpowered and resulted in those early prototypes being unable to achieve supercruise. WS-10C produces greater thrust than F-22's F119, although less than F-35's F-135 (which unfortunately only use one engine instead of two, resulting in by far the lowest plane performance of the trio, it would've been a monster in a twin engine fighter). WS-10C is only temporary, slated to be replaced by WS-15, the engine originally intended for J-20 but fell behind schedule. As for life span, WS-10 family historically lasted longer flight hours than Russian engines, but shorter than western engines. One of the reasons WS-15 is so far behind schedule is due to the Chinese unwilling to develop along Russian titanium based line, instead opting for more difficult composite route similar to western engines. The added maintenance and replacement isn't worth the quick cheap development in the long run.
@@georgedang449 that's why I said the later version use the technology of the CFM Leap x to improve the fuel efficiency, that's the ws-10C btw 147kn isn't that bad. But Chinese Engine right now having a life span of 3000hours if you don't believe it go check cctv. While al 31 is worst in. Performance the life span is 6000 hours
@@aliceenfield Unless I remembered wrong, Soviet AL-31's MTBO was only 100 flight hours, with the engine having to be totally scrapped at 1000 hours. It's quite horrendous. I honestly don't think post Soviet Russians, with their corruption and lack of development funding, managed extend it all the way to 6000 hours, especially since they continued to use their old material that's simply unfit to last as far as laws physics would have it.
@@georgedang449the one that the j-10(early) and the j-20(early) use is the newer production version of al-31,you fine some Chinese source aswell as CCTV report they admit their product quality isn't up to the standard like Russian currently only having a life span of 3000 while the Russian AL-31FN and AL-31FN-2 are having 6000+ hours life Span
@@georgedang449 because the Chinese still lack behind on fan blade material technology atm, they are still researching to catching up. While the Russian have the similar Material technology like Americans they are the same in generation so that's why
Amazing explain
The two seater might be the J-20S, the J-20B is supposed to be the WS-15 equipped variant with TVC
It is not very accurate, the J20 design was based on the J9-6-2 design in 1980. The J9 program actrually ended up in 2 design the J9-6-1 became the J10 and the heavy version of J9, the J9-6-2 eventrally became J20. There was a very interesting history behind it including a lot of Geo-Politic story and even the switch of design buro.
They'll propagandize any Chinese design as just being copied from them or a token anyway, because only they invented everything while the Chinese invented nothing as they say.
It's based off of stolen F-35 documents from a PLA hack as well as from a CCP corporate spy embedded within Lockheed Martin Canada that emailed them stolen schematics.
每制造一架j20我们会少两架j10 或者4架j5😂
It's like a combination of J-9, Mig-1.44 and F-35
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The aerodynamic and the control is crazy.
You must have spent a lot of time finding a mom for J-20
Amazing vid can't wait to see another one keep it up
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@@fuhwa7515 OMG SOO TRUE
@@SamsungAcore-rr2xg You're talking to a bot.
Won't lie. That's a good look 5th gen fighter jet.
it is a clumsy flying deformed triangle
@@lordwallie24like you (minus the flying)
6 deadly PL15.. PL15 is huge due to long range travel while Aim120D is small size and short range. 8 units can ve squeeze into the F22... PL15 can kill first before the F22 or F35 can see.
If they plan to integrate two dimensional thrust vectoring control (TVC) on the J20, then the stealth capability would be significantly enhanced and the rear radar cross section would be lower
WS-15S 涡扇15S发动机
I'd gladly take a ride in one! I doubt my checking account can cover outright purchasing one. Love your content! Cheers!
@Goblin Slayer what? I can't?!? I seriously thought I could just pick one up next time I'm in China. Or your from my bank and your trying to remind me I've never had millions of dollars to throw at an aircraft I don't have a certificate to fly.
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The relatively slender fuselage ratio of the J-20 shows its emphasis on high speed performance, but how to ensure maneuverability under high speed performance characteristics? It is necessary to carefully look at its aerodynamic design, it has 8-10 movable wings, flight control technology is extremely complex; And from nose to tail, it has a lot of lift structure. With a lift factor of >2, J-20 can guarantee a good supersonic cruise capability even without an engine like F119. It can achieve tactical maneuvers within transonic speeds that other existing fighter jets cannot achieve. The shape of F-22 aerodynamic design features, doomed to its supersonic mode, do not do fuel economy, although it has a top engine, but the endurance time, range will be greatly affected. In addition, the J-20 has a new age similar to the F35, full airframe distributed electro-optical detection system, information, larger and more advanced active phased array radar.
The sword is always going to outpace the shield. With dozens of nations using 35s and all modern nations pursuing stealth capabilities, radars are going to start putting out more and more energy until a .01m cross section looks like a Christmas tree. Nevermind IR and optical systems, tomcat optical cameras could apparently see fighters 50 miles away and that was in the 80s god knows what they can do now.
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Do a video about the other forgotten Chinese 5th-Generation Stealth Fighter the cousin of the J-20.. the Shenyang FC-31 Gyrfalcon
Love the video and the sudden appearance of NWYT btw, keep it up
It's by no means forgotten
The FC-31/J-31/J-35 (how ever it ends up called)has gone through multiple prototypesand is supposed to enter services in 4 to 5 years
@@simonwoess5679 Yeah but not a lot of people talk about it
The FC-31 which is usually ignored has undergone a substantial amount of design changes in the last half decade
3 iterations so far I believe, and it’s not even deployed yet
@Frank Sun When China finalizes the design there will be hundreds of them in less than five years time like the J-20 but they won't have to wait for domestic engines
2 engines will not facilitate mass production though. Look at what happened with the MiG-29 vs F-16.
When you add stealth, AESA, and 2 engines, it requires substantial amounts of resource allocation that can't just be wished into existence.
With China being cut-off from even the lower mid-grade Semiconductor technology, they're going to struggle with installing any kind of relevant sensor suite in the FC-31/J-35.
@LRRPFco52 Your argument would only be an issue if we were discussing the American aircraft industry in reality the PLAA has proven themselves to be especially resourceful in the development of the J-20. This precedence means the FC-31 will probably be put into serial production with little issues. The current firepower of the PLA makes a prospective invasion of Taiwan likely; couple this with Americans' inability to act during the invasion of Ukraine, there's nothing stopping China from annexing Taiwan. If they pull that off, they'll have access to enough semi conductors to make as many avionics suites as they'd like. Taiwan has a pretty bare bones airforce anyway
@@LRRPFco52 They make their own lower/mid grade semiconductors. With raw materials in place they can produce their own 30nm chips, and
it's considered in software dev side that the best developer is the one who can copy and knows where to put the copy part perfectly and in the end come out with a different software the the original . so those who has narrow mind to criticize this J-20 . i will say you have a lot to learn .
For your further insight J 20 has upgraded its engines with WS 15 engine making it able to super cruise thus making it far superior to f 22 and f 35
One more thing im not sure if you aware of this is that the PLA have very recently overcome this huge engine issue milestone and have created their own in house engine for their J20 that surpasses the Russians engines they have been acquiring from them and have literally outclassed them with horsepower and most importantly metallurgy of their turbine blades and crucial parts that are in extreme temprature inviroments overcoming the thermal failure and breaking point boundaries and have eliminated this issue as in totally....
...source?
Once you know what substance the US is buying from China for it's plane, you kinda find out the secret recipe, the ingredients.
@@tiantycoon142 ... that's not how that works, you know what it's made of...but can you make it? What's the use for it? The specs for it? Engineering jets isn't just plagiarizing blueprints and knowing the drawings bro
@@chaosagent_0106 The J-20s uses the WS-10C and WS-10b-3 engines, the b-3 being thrust vectoring.
Yes, WS-15 is in mass production. Ir's better than F-119 in specs
That water vapor on the wing in the animation is incredible. Really good job on the animation there. First animated video I've seen that has put that much thought into an airplane.
Stfu all Chinese so called equipment is cg rendered. No actual fuutage
I suspect that the effectiveness against the F-35 will depend on the variant. The Marine F-35B is the weakest and not designed for air to air engagements. The F-35C Naval Variant is designed as an interceptor and is a very effective dogfighter due to its larger wings. The F-35A or Joint Strike Fighter is somewhere in the middle and its also the export model our allies use.
The Navy F-35C was designed as the younger brother to the F-22A. The J-20 won't be able to touch either one, but the Marine and Air Force variants might be in trouble.
That title card image is really cool looking
Impressive video, clear and simple. 👍🇨🇳
Since 6th gen fighters are likely shifting away from maneuverability, I suppose J20 has the most extensive aerodynamic surfaces. 0:20 very futuristic looking
I personally think that not having a gun is a very big mistake. The Americans tried that in Vietnam with the F4 phantom mark one and it was a disaster
a video about the new H-20 bomber will be interesting
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B21 is there
did anyone think this was Not What You Think video for a few seconds?
the j20 now uses the ws15 engines and now it can super cruise
J20 is badass. looks gorgeous
Imagine going from famine to a 5th gen high tech jet in 30 years
Edit: the reply section itself speaks about the mentality of Karen's towards the rest of the world as they trust their daddy china uncensored 🤣
No need to fight them guys
Not that hard if you steal all the secrets and instructions on how to do so from every other country..
The west did all the engineering and testing. So china doesn't need to test things out. They just need to rely on proven western tech to make a 5th gen fighter
The effect from the west transferring their production technology to China. Indeed that's unseen and has an enormous influence. Or could have. They make in fact very little out of it. Instead of learning and overcoming their deficiencies they continue by stealing from the west. At the same time they already have peaked out and are on s downward trajectory.
Imagine they still have famine while having 5th gen fighter jets instead of focusing on improving their country
Who said poverty and famine is over in china
I don't know but I still luv my Nation F22 and I respect the J20 but something about the way the Su57's looks and sound its beautiful and terrifying at the same time.
That cameo at the end made my day
Thanks!
dsi was first introduced in FC-1 well before f35. Please add more caller ring tones during and before the video they are soo good
The PL-15, which adopts radar active detection, has a large detection distance and has an anti-jamming data link. At the same time, it is equipped with a dual-pulse solid rocket motor to effectively expand its range.
In view of the fact that the PL-15 bomb is 6 meters long, there are two versions of its range. One says that its range is 200 kilometers, and the other says that its range exceeds 300 kilometers, and it can even reach 400 kilometers.
Regarding the range of PL-15, the two opinions are too different. Therefore, the range of the real PL-15 air-to-air missile is of course only known by our Air Force. The outside world’s statement can only be guesswork, and it is only for interested readers. For reference only.
Even if the PL-15 has a range of 300-400 kilometers, even if it has a range of 200 kilometers, it should be the air-to-air missile with the largest range in the world. The U.S. Air Force believes that the PL-15 can have a range of up to 200 kilometers by adding a ramjet engine. It is already an AIM-120D medium and long-range air-to-air missile with a range of 150 kilometers far exceeding that of the US Air Force.
Do you know why you have three different ranges? Because the tests were done incorrectly.
According to Taiwan and some military analysts, PL15 & 20 have range well exceeding 200km, likely 300km or more which forces US rush to develop new long range AAM.
They claimed Chinese limitation is their fighter radar range at some 200km, although already one of furthest. But recently China might has developed new AESA radar with longer range multi frequency phase array radar, supported by AWACS powerful range able to better utilize its PL15 BVR 300~400km range.
Saying in a easier way, about 20% to 30% more than AIM 120D
According to who?
The chinese military?
As if they would tell us the true specs. No military in the world would do that.
They make you think that they have that performance, but the actual one is a secret.
@@edenjung9816 the usaf itself stated so, so is that enough for you doubters?
i sincerely believe tho that China has developed and showed some serious progress in CGI technology
10:08 The legendary duo 😂
Seeing it going up against the F-22 in a few years
The F-22's engines aren't proven to work with DSI airflow (yeah great stealth with those splitter plates instead) or powering as much avionics around its body.
J20 is a key node in the aircraft network. it's the drones, missile bases, and warships that carry the missiles.
and its primary task is homeland defence.
in this case, its long-range makes sense, for aggressive defence.
Like the f 35 is the QB, and the AWAC is the coach.
Time will tell.
J20's primary task is to take down AWAC's and tankers, not homeland defence. J20's don't have internal autocannon or rotary cannons, meaning it's not suitable for short-range dogfight, therefore not exactly your go-to for defence against invading fighter jets
@@liam4688 It's actually designed to do all of those missions, you are correct in stating it is not a dog fighter it's looking for BVR engagements, it wants to fire off it's payload, hit the burner and get back to base.
The J-35 on the other hand is designed as an air superiority fighter they two will compliment each other well.
I m sure when full scale war happens and these equipments get costly to produce,Aircrafts like migs will start appearing its the kalashnikov of airpower
Why are you talking like every thing will work as intended, its the CCP buddy....nothing works like what they say
They have 10s of millions of engineers plus billions and you think they can't build a jet?
Have you seen the 3 setting jet... #1 fly, #2 controls short range missiles and guns, #3 control long range destroying lasers.
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Another great video. I would be interested in a video showing how you create these amazing animations.
live in chengdu, what i can tell you, that engine sound sooooooo good
Thanks for that video now im gonna buy j-20 in alibaba ☺️🙏
Many commentators originally stated that the J20 was a 'vast' aircraft and 'way too big to handle well in a dogfight!', ignoring the fact that it's smaller than an SU 35S.....which can hang with pretty much any fighter in a close in dogfight.....lol
Newer versions have been hinted at with the appearance of prototypes with thrust vectoring engine nozzles....which may or may not be adopted for serial production.
The WS10 engine is replacing Russian engines while the WS15 (a more advanced engine with greater thrust) is nearing completion development-wise. That is supposed to be the definitive engine for the plane and will allow supercruising ability.....
It has the range to be a viable interceptor (given China's huge land mass) and could work in the maritime strike role too.....with long range anti ship missiles
Doesn't the WS10 have a bad habit of flameout and also a high maintenance cost per flight hour.
Since you talk about dogfighting with 5th fighters, its obvious you know nothing
@chuggs Right? In order for it to do well in dog fights it must also have a time machine built in where that type of combat is still relevant.
@@Finkaisar not really, there have been studies that show that whenever 2 stealth aircraft engage it almost always ends up in WVR combat or as it's better known, a dogfight, there's a reason the US gave both of it's 5th gens rather excellent dogfighting ability.
each cadets will have to face real life lessons , experiences will improve technology
there is something very important that you did not mention in the video: the j20 is unique in that its designed upon a vastly different doctrine from contemporary fighters, it's built for beyond-visual-combat, not for close ranged dogfights which explains its extremely large combat radius and the fact that it does not have an internal cannon built in. it's a missile bus, like the f14 which was a bit ahead of its time (the aim54 was effective only against less maneuverable aircraft, particularly bombers), fitted with the PL15 which is suspected to have better long range capabilities than the AMRAAM.
i started a war in the replies
Reportedly PL15’s max range can be over 200km. Another key feature about J20 is that the twin WS-10C engines mounted, though not as powerful as F-22’s F-119 on ground, do have better high altitude and high speed performance. J-20 is predicted to have supercruise capability at mach 1.7 with top speed exceeding mach 2.5 since wind tunnel tests reported success over its airframe at speeds above mach 2.8. According to their official leaks, with newly developed WS-15 turbofan engines J-20 can reach an astounding top speed at nearly mach 3.0. Speed brings a huge difference in BVR air combats and J-20 definitely is a huge threat to F-35 with better avionics and super long range missiles.
Wtf are you on? 🤣 the fact you’re comparing this supposed “5th Gen” to a F15 speaks goluvems, instead of the godly F22 or F35, which have much better BVR capabilities and stealth.
@@hollister2320 Did u just describe F35 as godly? lmao
@@jamesj2964 F-35 is underestimated. It’s actually overall better than F-22 in terms of stealth from the frontal sphere and avionics. It’s also much more economic compared to F-22 given the self-diagnosis system.
@@jamesj2964 It is clear however, that J-20 is bound to be better than F-22 and F35 as a stealth fighter. PLAAF gave it a very clear role and paid effort to make it fit in. They mobilized their resources much more efficiently than the USAF could ever imagine.
这种战斗机，我们国家目标装备数量保守是400架，预计2028年左右完成，装备400架用于取缔J10A这些老旧的三代机，还有J31，预计等福建号航母服役后，会装备，包括与俄罗斯苏霍伊设计局合作的J16，也会大规模装备，毕竟多用途战斗机，有点类似美国的F15