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In this episode we will be going over some issues we found on the 401 after checking the engine cradle for corrosion, and opening it up to the comments to decide what our plan of attack should be. After addressing that we set to work taking the whole tail off to check for corrosion and to clean it the rest of the way out.
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the minerals and other supplements in ag1 combined with the meals company sponsors probably have more to do with accelerated healing than anything else. we are basically machines and without all the proper fluids and maintenance it acts like a lada not a ferrari . without a store of parts and building blocks in place it takes longer and costs more to heal things just like other machines. thanks for the videos. ps if my memory is working its usually between 10 and 15 000 hours to build a kit plane....the 401 isnt a kit its assembled you gotta take it apart ...several times so the uninformed claiming it should be completed should just be ignored ...they are the people who pull over at 10 000 feet to fix a flat lol as for oshkosh if ya have the funds to throw at it it should be a hard slog but a possibility personally i was figuring min 18 months start to finish youtube and post pandemic issues make that a hard guess though. are you scheduled or doing what you want when you want things like the vapor deposition work best if all the projects are prepared and at a stage of readiness for it , and running into a backordered essential part could be disaster , how much planning and logistics have been done ? what more can be done?
What results do you get with the T-Test. Do you get Free T and Regulatr T, how about estridol?
@@citylimitsphoto its similar to magnafluxing so its a pass fail result lol either is good or is compromised . im toolazy to google what is estridol i got nothing lol
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I'd price them both and make a decision based on cost, reliability and quality.
Agreed Jason, cost V time.
What about the wing flex issue which is why they decided not to pull the wings to do the straps? Mating a different wing could be an issue.
On the plus side. Maybe they could find a wing with the strap AD already done.
Agree on checking price differences for wing/engine cradle frame. Totally agree with pulling everything apart to check for excess bird dirt. All that adds weight which throws off the center of gravity of the plane (CG). Don’t shortcut that. It to important.
David
agree.. donor plane wings...
Only thing that makes sense.
Buying another wing will just bring a whole bunch of new problems. Repair what you have will probably be cheaper. Been down that road more than one time in my 57 years of aircraft maintenance. My only advice is slow down and take your time. Large repair projects are like eating an elephant. Take your time and one bite at a time. you are doing a good job so far and I enjoy watching all the videos.
Awesome advice Jim…. I’ve heard stories of wings from other aircraft not fitting other airframes. Makes me super nervous…
Maybe not exactly cheaper, but in fact you know what you are working with. Unless the acquired wing already was compleetly rebuilt (with documentation to back it up) it may really be potential can of worms on top of the issues with removing, reattaching and aligning wing that worked, flexed and deformed on a different airframe, eve if it was identical.
@@rebuildrescue what Jim said - and absolutely not being an expert - but if (big if) the rest of the wing is sound, and it's just that engine mount, rebuilding that is likely to be less of a pain than a donor wing.
Also, how mellow are Joe and Keith? They are totally the guys you need on this project - just taking it on one bolt at a time!
@@rebuildrescue you can get donor sections from salvage yards and puzzle 2 wings into one, went through that with my 310
@@anythingwithplanes that sound like an idea, a donor wing and use the enginge cradle from that wing.
I’m enjoying this video series!
My 2 cent:
I know the A&Ps most likely speak out of experience (and I respect them a lot!), but please refrain calling something « surface corrosion » until it is 100% removed and assessed with NDT (ask me how I know)
1 - Eddy current will tell you if corrosion is completely gone (and is also used to locate cracks)
2 - Ultrasonic will tell you remaining thicknesses, which are crucial in order to know if an area is acceptable as is, or if it needs a repair (or even replacement if it is too far gone)
Indeed, used airworthy replacement parts are sometimes the solution (emphasis on AIRWORTHY). Make sure you don’t get fooled into buying junk parts… (seen attempts from questionable brokers before…)
Oh, and if you end up repairing any areas near the leaky exhaust, I would love to see you check if the metal is not out of temper. It doesn’t take that much heat to turn aluminum into an annealed noodle.
I’m nearby (ILG) if you need hands! 🤘🏻
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and information 👍🏼👍🏼
Great helpful response. RR hire him
I am a retired Royal Australian Aircraft Tech. Most of my time was spent on Iroquois Helicopters and the Caribou, there was a little bit of Chinook in there as well. Watching you guys work on this aircraft brings back a lot memories. Great stuff
Glad you’re here hanging out with us 👍🏼
I 100% vote for a donor airplane with good clean parts. I cant tell you how many times we find donor parts for king air's and twin bo's. Many shops do this kind of work finding used parts
Hopefully they can find a good donor 1969. Or however long they made that model. I know they mentioned something about having donor parts before but I can't wait to see this thing fly!
And this plane would have been a donor eventually as well lol.
@@roberson644 Exactly
It wouldn`t hurt to research the parts it may or may not save the day but worth a shot I think.
Maybe the donor plane would become the better plane.
Why not wait until you have your full corrosion inspection complete before buying any wings or donor aircraft, so you can make sure to get everything you might need at once. Maybe you don't need as much as you think you do, or maybe you need a lot more, or maybe there's something in there that will unfortunately kill the project altogether. That could end up saving a lot of money and labor in the long run.
Sounds far too sensible.
@@Pits750 No point in going down that road now.
It’s a good idea
This has been staged since the beginning. Everything is scripted on here. That is why they haphazardly pulled things off and started the engines knowing they were already screwed up to make fake drama.
His fake leg issue, half assing everything to make content and to say he now relates to handicapped people. His videos make any real mechanic cringe.
It is nice seeing a teardown, but most of this is being staged as they already knew the condition before and cut corners and act surprised. The other "buyer" of the airplane was also not real, just something they made up for drama.
@@common_c3nts Don’t forget the “records are all missing” bs. I posted 3 or 4 months ago that all that drama was probably made up and the logs would miraculously appear. And they did. I said he’d end up doing a bunch of pointless stuff (i. e., polishing the paint, steam clean the carpets) to get views and money on a plane that is beyond repairable, and it’s getting closer to that all the time. Of course, when you are using other people’s money, nothing is really beyond repairable. And before he even towed the thing to the hangar there was the “gotta remove the control lock” moment, even though the control lock in no way prevents moving the rudder or NLG. Now the engine beams are corroded and he jumps to “replace the wing”. How about call TAS and buy new beams and canted bulkheads from them. Obviously money is no object, so why not? Of course, it would make for better video to have the wing lying on the floor than it would to have a bunch of rivet heads and drill shavings from removing the beams.
These two AP guys Joe and Keith’s work ethic is terrific. And they seem to work together really well. And a camera man that jumps in and pulls things together while you’re out?? Love it. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Such awesome guys…. Sad I missed the fun !
The company I was flying for at the time "lost" a 401 when the right engine got a fracture in the engine to turbo piping. the fire cooked fuel lines and the only clue in the cockpit was a loss of Manifold Pressure, engine running roughly... and the A/C was AT ALTITUDE when it became obvious they'd lost a turbo. but the fuel flow was still high.... Several minutes later a thick black liquid was leaking out around the tip tank to wing seam and around the cowling, the A/C had long range fuel (gas behind the engine) It didn't take long to figure out they had an internal wing fire. The crew put it down fast into Raton, New Mexico. Nothing left... No casualties.
The black goo they figured was the fuel bladders cutting loose . If I remember correctly 5 alfalfa... was a 1968... she was wearing out where nobody had expected. The exhaust had what looked like slightly flexible corrugated expansion tubes and fuel lines intertwined though all the exhaust tubes. I see it as an accident just waiting to happen thinking back now.
@@eagle2019 they shouldn't have released those cabin rodents, could have come in handy to be milked for mouse milk but now they're gone... 😏
more seriously, what is mouse milk? 😬
I would look for donor wings for sure, faster and potentially cheaper.
I do agree on that
I agree.
What about having the parts fabbed by an independent shop???? Folks do it with old planes all the time???
Agreed
The problem is that if this is a common issue then there may not be good suitable replacements for cheap. We do know if the corroded parts are replaced it will be good as new and likely better than replacing it with a "passable" but also long in the tooth replacements. It's like pick n pull for cars. There are just some parts not worth getting used. I know planes are different. I suppose it depends largely on what condition the replacements can be had and at what cost. We do know what he would be getting by replacing with new. Sometimes cheaper and faster is not your best option. 🤷♂️ That's my 2 cents.
It's like my dad said when I was a teen and brought home an old beater Camaro to "restore". He said, "You're pretty much going to have to jack it up and roll a new one under it". This plane is beginning to have that look.
I admire your work ethic and determination. Hat's off to the first guy to fly it.
It's a real pleasure to have Joe on board for the 401, he's a great guy and a very inspiring professional.
When you see people participate willingly like the Camera Man doing the cleaning and taking the Bull by it's horns in the removal of the tail, it means there is a spirit of togetherness. As usual, greetings from the Swiss Alps.
Mmmm I love Alpen. You guys must eat that shiznay for breakfast, lunch and dinner!
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Actually this is good news, it was discovered and can be addressed properly. Any damage is could have caused is now moot. Moving on.
As a retired Avionics Technician from the RAF I really appreciate your video's, I spent 10 years on Nimrod's, its components were extremely heavy and old but worked together brilliantly, Nimrod was developed from the world's 1st passenger jet aircraft, thank you again and good luck with your projects!
Hey Joe.... I think you add lot to this show..... Hope you stick around for more adventures...👍
I think you need to do a deep dive inspection of all hidden areas of this plane to determine if it has more structural damage to help you determine your next step.
That's what they're doing...
I hope I'm not the only one that gets satisfaction whenever he's vacuuming and scrubbing to clean up all that crud. It's the same satisfaction as watching those guys clean up an overgrown yard/lawn.
I'm thinking the amount of *weight* of all the crap removed so far would have made the aircraft almost unflyable in the first place, even if mechanically everything was in perfect condition!!!
I was stationed in Panama as a Aircraft mechanic , This area is a tropical highly corrosive atmosphere and we serviced aircraft that were wwII vintage and these aircraft with proper periodic inspections , we kept a check on corrosion. That is essential to keep corrosion to a minimum. We would spot corrosion then treat it ! The answer was the INSPECTION on a strict schedule is needed to prevent major repairs.
What I love most about this channel is the new people that have come in and helped along the way. So awesome to building a team and a community. Can’t wait to see this thing finished and I will watch every step of the way!
I'm with most everyone else. Before deciding which way to go, wait until you've done the complete inspection. It may not be as bad as you think once it's cleaned out and you can better assess it.
Stay the course! Do it right the first time. In any project, aircraft or otherwise many times if you attempt to hurry the project by tossing in a temporary solution, that solution become the permanent solution. Your attention to detail on rebuilding this plane is incredible! Don't take any shortcuts to get it flying sooner.
I’m not a pilot, I don’t like flying but this channel is great. Your enthusiasm and passion makes it better. Keep it up. I watch religiously.
I feel you when you stated that you do more vacuuming on the 401 than anything. Truth is I did rehab work for years on the side. I always answered my favorite tool the same way every time. My Shop Vac!
Honestly, I’m not an aircraft mechanic but I’d vote on the side of finding a donor plane and replace the wings
I agree 100%. Replace with known good parts.
Didn't they say someone is already willing to sell/donate a rear rudder? If that's the case, there are bound to be other good donor planes out there, unless that was the last one lol
@@TekedixXx yeah they mentioned something about that.
Yeah but how hard is replacing wings, probably not harder then fixing the damaged one. At least then you know what you have.
In the aviation no such thing to use up used or second hand parts....
Gotta shout out the crew, everyone is really pulling their weight, and I love how they get showcased and their work can be appreciated.
I am so glad to see you guys literally going thru every nook and cranny, inspecting every nut and bolt, (and wheel) every cable, all of that! And while I cannot wait to see this thing in the air, and maybe even tag along during a flight myself, I would be totally happy if you pushed the date to Oshkosh '24 if that means doing everything properly and safely! Thanks again, Dave.
If that ever gets airworthy again it will be a miracle 🙏
It’ll happen !
You know I see all the work that's going into this project, I can't help but think of all the unsung heroes from World War II to present that had to go in and fix Fighters and Bombers that came back all shot up and the work they did to get those things back in the air mission after mission... all the while having to do the work in ungodly situations and locations like tinian and Guam or in the freezing conditions in Europe. The pilots and crew usually get all the accolades but those mechanics that work their butts off to keep those things in the air mission after mission just unbelievable.
The B-25 was only expected to be air worthy for 18 months. They'd just keep manufacturing them so quickly we didn't run out.
Thank god for the elite billionaire and corporate interests keeping our great nation from becoming pussies!
If they were too badly shot up to be repaired in a couple of days they likley stripped them for parts and the crew issued a new airframem
Yeah, unlike this Cessna, the WWII aircraft were never really meant to be service apart from the engines. They were designed for like two deployments lol
I was in the AirForce and a C130/C141B/C5A-B loadmaster I flew in C130A models and up some of those airframes had been going since the early 60's and up. Roomates worked EMS and FMS units, those boys worked their asses off Sheet metal and corrosion control. During Desert Storm, we flew Wartime contingency payloads and literally turned the leading edges into wavy aluminum foil the ACL's were so high. Crew chiefs kept those dang birds flying every mission...
I swear, if I was the one doing this project, after finally re-assembling the whole thing in 2038, I would end up having a full bucket of parts, which I had no idea where to put or that I forgot to put where they should have been. And one of those parts would probably be a piston or something.
Reminds me of an episode of the old Bill Cosby show where he's a high school PE teacher, I think. Scene opens and he's assembling one of those transparent human body model things, and he mutters something about "every time I put this together, I end up with an extra lung."
I love seeing what you are fixing on the plane be carfule God bless
I have been going through the whole series. What a job. Everyone getting together is wonderful.
It has been an amazing journey !
Joe is Da Man! He spotted those cables like a true talent
I’d like to see you keep the plane as “Original” as possible and still be 100% SAFE. I never cut corners when safety is on the line.
I love the project.
Other than updated avionics, I don't think he has much of a choice but to keep it original
These videos are weirdly addicting and calming. Love the work and enthusiasm. There was a point in my life where I almost went into school to be an AME in B.C. Canada. This satisfies me while I am red seal in HVAC sheet metal. Keep it up. Happy with what you do, cheers.
Thanks for the honourable mention you ol’ conman you!
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"This thing weighs like…nothing."
and then Jason shakes some cruft out of it and it weighs less. 😂
BTW, spanners are never meant to fall out of aircraft! Bad mechanic, no cookie!
I'm happy to see you've reached the point of properly disassembling the aircraft - there are going to be so many weird things you'll find hiding in all the nooks and crannies of the aircraft, and you're finding them. As you say, everything has to be disassembled, cleaned, inspected and confirmed safe. 😗
Good to see you walking around and the positive feedback from your doc - that's really good news.
I'd finish getting the whole airframe inspected for any more corrosion or damage before making any big decisions. Obviously you're gonna be better off getting a complete left wing in better condition, but the rest is gonna be up to the results of a complete inspection.
But there are so many other complications involved with replacing a wing, including that "twisting" issue that was mentioned as one big reason why they do that spar strap job without removing the wings.
You know guys why I like aviation? Cause every time I look inside any plane I see all this engineering marvel. Literally, every rivet, every bolt, every piece has its place and meaning, and all this stuff blows your mind.
Good luck guys!
I see all these vids of you all popping out those 50,000 screws with no issues.. Working on old stuff my whole life I know you GOT TO have a few that dont come out!! Thanks for showing that!
Respect to Harrison, taking one for the team.
We appreciate ya'll, in what you're doing and the plan. Keep it up! Also really glad to see the knee's coming back.
Hello Rebuild Recuse
I just found your channel and subscribed. As a unemployed A&P Mechanic, I am very impressed by what I just saw. Thank you for doing this project. I have twenty years of Air Force and five years Commercial Aircraft experience. I can say I have never seen anyone go to the extent you have. Again thank you
Joe is a disc golf lover! Thats my kinda guy!
I’d been following this rebuild for a while, Im a pilot with over 25 years experience and considering getting an A and P license with a project like this to get the experience needed to pursue the formal certification.
If I recall in previous videos you are not an airplane mechanic but this might be the perfect opportunity to get the license and the additional cost could be taken on with the 501.c3.
Have you thought about using this project to get your A&P?
That sounds like a great idea! I hope he sees this
I’m really happy to see this job being done with the love and care that it deserves . It’s such a nice plane and is going to come out amazing when done . Please just keep doing what you are and the results will speak for themselves. 👍🏻👍🏻😎
I just discovered this channel, and I’m really glad I did. As a fellow aviator, this warms my heart to see all the cool stuff that y’all are doing. As someone who just got here, take your time. Safety first and enjoy it.
I’m definitely about to start binging these videos.
Glad you’re here with us Keith !
It’s been almost a year since I’ve seen one of your videos about the 401. I have missed a bunch. Now I’m binge watching to catch up. I love what your doing for all the good reasons. I also love that you are taking this plane completely apart. It’s going to be a brand new 54 year old aircraft. That is just terrific!
As a former A&P, I.A. you have my sympathy. This series would be a good learning tool for a mechanics school. A plane outside+birds+nearly two decades to weather=nastiness+big expenses.
I maintained a 340 for a couple years and the exhaust system bore close watching. And I never did like the aluminum engine mount system. Any cable or hose that can sit against the structure can quickly rub into the metal and now you have a problem. Better off having a steel tube engine mount, like on a Navajo. They can be sent out for repairs and come back looking like brand new for a reasonable price. As far as what you should do at this point? Well, it's too late to do what should have been done in the first place. Thoroughly clean the outside, open ALL the nooks and crannies to look for hidden damage after removing the accumulated debris. Then gut the interior completely to see what is lurking under the floor. Start estimating. Next compare what is available on the used market. $139,000 for one with 3900+ hours on it, ready to fly IFR today. Then there is the operating cost. And the greenies want to get rid of 100LL. I am giving you an A for effort though. Good Luck, from Lycoming County.
Nailed it- "Well, it's too late to do what should have been done in the first place"
Well said.
The level of complexity in the simplest of small planes like that just baffles me. Juevos of steel for even taking something like this on. I’ve been watching since day one, and will continue. You guys rock, and thanks for answering my previous questions. 👌
From Ghana 🇬🇭… I need to tell u .. u have an amazing team.. it’s the kind of environment I’ll love ❤️ to find myself in.. where everyone looks out for everyone
We have an amazing team here, I am very lucky !
You showing genuine concern for the cameraman speaks volumes of your character. Makes me feel even better about backing this project.
First off, what's most important is the support your receiving for this epic project! That said, I would not worry about getting to Oshkosh 2023 as the ultimate goal! But to do this project right and proper. Focus more on what services this plane will be doing, hopefully we will all be engaged in the epic travels this plane will accomplish! It's not a car show for planes! But a purpose inspired project!
You're. You are.
Engine mount beam corrosion generally determines whether or not you leave one of these parked in the weeds. It's where I would have looked first.
Yeah like everyone with a sane brain was saying from day 1. This is a con.
I came down with a cold a few days ago and binged this entire series a little too fast, just wanted to say I'm really enjoying coming along for the ride despite having 0 mechanical knowledge. One thing I noticed is how much you talk about this project belonging to the community as much as it belongs to you, and I thought it could be a great idea to set up a subreddit and/or other forums so that we have a place to discuss the 401 and other projects other than the comment section. I think it would be great to have a place for everyone interested in the project to chat, discuss ideas, etc. There are plenty of people who would be happy to help, would love to hear what you think. Thanks for everything you and your team do Jason!
Joe and Keith are doing a great job, so good that you have good people to help that love what they do. Keep up the GREAT work.
Id only replace the one Wing. You mentioned earlier how the wing can deform after removal and can be extremely difficult to reattach. I can only imagine a donor from a completely different air-frame will make it that much more difficult. As for new engines as well...A plane is parted out for a reason Even with good paper work you really dont know what your getting till it comes time to use it. I think since your on a 9 month wait for spars, and your doing such a good job removing everything for inspection .You would have alot more piece of mind on a fresh 0 hour rebuild on engines that you know their back round.⬆️
I don't think the problem was the wing deforming just from being detached. It was they will deform if you put the spar straps (that are part of the AD to get it air worthy again) on while the wing are detached.
This is going to end up being the most expensive 'free' airplane in history. I got out of GA mostly because the costs involved are so astronomical. In the automotive world...if something bad happens you end up telling the customer 'Sorry sir..this is going to be about $5,000 to fix'...where in GA it's about the same except it's $50,000 (or more) for an equivalent repair. Another similarity is in the ownership group not being happy about spending money on their machines...but things on an auto that can be overlooked without compromising safety do not exist on an aircraft where everything is there for an important purpose and failure of many parts can be fatal.
In fairness, planes have more redundancy than cars, but it’s also true that you cannot just ignore issues and hope they go away.
I've been thinking the same since the beginning. What would you suspect the highest potential value for this aircraft would be if it were fully restored, airframe upgraded, 0 time engines? 200K? He's going to have a fair bit more than that in this. I see airworthy 401's available for under 150K. Now he wants a donor, and will have to move it or the parts to his hanger. . I guess it's good "content", but it' seems like a dubious business decision...
@@zincfive He isn't doing this to make profit on the airframe itself the business here is the revenue this content brings in. Haven't you ever seen car restro TV shows? They spend more than the cars value but it doesn't matter. The profit comes from getting viewers and advertising revenue. Producing the content is just a business cost. Every business has costs to produce its product.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Sure, I get it, I'm enjoying learning about aircraft restoration, plus it looks like he'll put a non-profit together to put the plane to use for charity flights. Good for him.
@@zincfive I'm sure they are making money from this especially the adverts. I don't think they'd do it if they weren't. From that point of view it doesn't matter if they spend 300k on a plane worth 150k when the venture itself nets them a profit after the expenditure. I'm pretty sure that's the case here.
I am glad that you guys are doing such a thorough job. It is nice to see things done the right way.
I've been watching this project since you first acquired the plane. I cannot believe what a beautiful job you guys are doing! Thank you very much
I'd get the current wings refurbished, never know even on second hand parts if it's going to be problem free. Pop up another link to your gofundme and I'm sure us followers can fund it
It may be more hours to repair/rebuild the wing but you will know for sure what you have.
This is a better plan imo
@@terenceharding4792 Hours don't matter a whole lot if they're not being paid for.
@@kerryedavis time matters if you’re working to a timeline. Oshkosh 2023.
@@terenceharding4792 I'm not alone in pointing out that such an artificial deadline should be ignored if it compromises safety especially. And excessive cost is also a valid reason. "Oshkosh 2023!" was just pulled from someone's... hat... to start with. It may never have been realistic.
For months it was: "Have to remove the wings and send them off for adding spar strap"
Last video was: "If we take the wings off, they will bend and twist and never be able to get them back on just right ever again." Concluded with "Were going to get the plane flying and ferry to a repair station for wing spar mods."
This week it's: "find some some donor wings and replace the wings."
All the while the currently installed wings have yet to be thoroughly and properly inspected IAW manufacturer instructions and a determination made as to exactly what needs to be done.
Gotta keep you coming back for update #75. Aka clickbait
Money pit, aluminium corrodes like crazy
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but now he's removed the gofundme link after raising $220,000 and he's learning things after video 100 when he should have tore the plane down by video 1 or 2 before asking for venture capital. He's raised a quarter million dollars and now the entire project is up in the air.
After a $50,000 plane purchase and a boat, I started wondering if the $220k has gone towards other projects or not. I don't know if gofundme pays out right away or once he its $300k? I don't think he has had bad intentions, but he's definitely got himself between a rock and a hard place here and it's a huge red flag.
@@mikemurphy7519 What is a bit obnoxious is defending it. When you're rolling around in a quarter million dollars in venture capital from the community and the channel blew up because he got in over his head, it's important to understand and separate yourself from "he's an an amature"
My opinion isn't about calling him a fraud. I think he had good intentions but is now in over his head despite many warning him. We're not talking about $5 grand.
To put simply since you find honesty obnoxious: $5,000 venture capital, LEO won't bother looking in to it. $220,000 is a different story and it's important to keep records and not suddenly change course due to unforeseen issues hundreds were talking about by video #3 long before he raised the money.
I think he's a good dude, but he doesn't need a white knight.
@@mikemurphy7519 I agree there's nothing nefarious going on. It's a huge project and there's no direction. Months have passed and there has been no assessment as to what the plane will need to return to airworthy condition. It's like they are on the 1 yard line, can see the goalpost at the opposite end of the field yet have no idea how to negotiate all the obstacles in order to get there - correction, are not even seeing the obstacles. It's a 50+ yr old plane and the only thing done thus far is "busywork," apparently so no major cash outlays have to be made. Yet, there is the goal of flying the plane next summer to OSH, lol. It won't be there before 2025 and that's optimistic.
As a machinist I had a hand in countless aircraft Parts from first article inspection to production I understand the process. You have to go over every square millimeter of the airframe and mechanical to make sure that it is right. Your lives and lives on the ground do depend on it.
Im really enjoying your 401 project making a basket case fully functional and supporting charities at the same time. As a former aircraft owner, I assisted in every annual and all major maintenance events with the AME instep with everything I did including the complete tail disassembly and reassembly of the tail section on my 150.
Why not 3-4 options: donor wings, donor parts from an aircraft scrap yard, new parts, or an FAA DER designed repair of existing structure?
You guys are really doing something awesome with the builds and the charity work, can’t wait to see what’s next!
Thank you for being here with us !
Don't rush it, take the time it needs to do it right and safe!
Glad to see the Kroil, my go-to everything!
There was a story in one of the boating magazines several years ago about a guy who restored a large wooden boat found buried in a tidal flat. When he finished, the only thing that was original was the bell and part of the keel. That said, I do enjoy your videos and much envy your perseverance.
So exactly like @sampsonboatco and the tally ho
Love this project and the progress you are making! I will preface by saying I am no aircraft mechanic. My only concern with a donor plane is the condition of it's wings also. You may find wings that are not much better than what you have. At least if the current ones are repaired, the replacement parts are new and you know the condition of the wings.
If he got a donor plane he would know by inspection what kind of shape the wings are in. just because its a donor doesnt mean he is cutting corners it only means he is getting the plane back to working order the fastest and probably cheapest way. and that doesnt mean jeopardizing quality you can have cheaper faster and still maintain quality
@@eagle2019 You havnt shown me any of your qualifications to make these estimates. Ive had 50 years wxperience in Mechanics to make mine and I know full well we are dealing with Lives here but Im sure if He decides to go with a donor he will consider all things. But Im just going by what I see and hear from these professionals that are working on this plane and quiet sure they will make the correct decision. what I said was only an opinion and like you I dont KNOW ALL the details and whether or not they could even find a DONOR plane with all they need on it and certainly if it doesnt have the parts they need then it would not be worth buying
Thank all you guys for doing this work.
Don't rush it you all are working hard and it's a worthwhile project good luck to you all
The issue with donor wings is that you will probably have to disassemble them and test them as well. They may turn out defective as well. I have zero experience with aircraft but I’ve seen that donor cars may or may not work out. If you could find a source that sells restored wings with a good reputation, then that may be a good option.
Question: Why do the mechanics use such long screwdrivers? Also, why not use a power tool with phillips bit to remove the screws? I can see why you wouldn't want to put them in with a power screwdriver, but blowing it apart I think would be faster. Thanks for the video!
The length changes the leverage and adds a little more weight, most of the screws on this are probably pretty corroded and are typically reused many times so there is little grip in the Phillips and they will round out with any power device.
Probably too negate any lateral motion
Stay the course, Gentlemen! You all shine in the spirit of Pilots and the aviation industry! Used to be in a Band called Push, played All the functions at The Sanford Airport in Florida. Before it became International. GREAT PEOPLE and Great Parties for sure! GREAT PARTIES!
Hat's off to the techs for making this project happen!
Joe is absolute G. Super smart, super old school. Question for you, Why are you using hand tools to remove screws? I vote for replacing the engine cradle. The reason why is, The donor wings may not fit quite right as the original wings do. making things fit is sometimes more wasteful time than just repairing the original equipment. Donor wings have unknown problems.
Because “paid by the hour.”
It is hard to turn a birdhouse into a airplane. Every part that you can get off, you can clean good but the parts that do not come off may be a problem. With every part that you take off you find animal damage. One thing for sure this restoration will take a lot of time and money. I sure hope that it will be worth it and not just a money pit.
They are making tons off donations and views... Even if this thing is a money pit, it's a net profit for them.
I keep asking myself how much an airworthy 401 costs vs the time and $$ going into this as was so nicely put "birdhouse".
@@mgoblue0970 These planes have a decent safety margin, as long as everything is inspected and checks out, it will be fine.
Hi,
Just wanna reach out and say that it’s a blessing for looking at the videos and watching all this magic happening for the 401.
Such a great team and all the effort that everybody puts in to the project.
Keep the spirit up and the 401 will be ready for take off.
Greetings from Sweden! (GOT)
Joe, Keith, very impressed, there aren't many friends like that. And Joe, you explain everything in simple terms, but I suspect you know all the answers, that's a real talent!
Joe is all business! I love the intensity, I love it! Everyone is so focused. You guys are great!
I think It's easier to unscrew and screw wings than riveting 100s. Don't bother inspecting the wings, get a good replacement. In 9 months, and with good number of viewers, you will get them.
This is REALLY cool, now we have a team. Look at all that knowledge and dedication. I had faith that you could pull this off with enough money to fix it. I am at awe on all time and how it is getting done, but not rushed and do it right.
Excellent job being very thorough and precise this is why airplanes that have been sitting for so long are free look forward to seeing it done
One trick is when you have to climb back in the tail take some thin plywood and lay across the bulkheads it’s easier to go in and out
Bad news is an obstacle yet to be conquered. Here with you for the journey.
The 401 will be a 2023 model aircraft by the time you guys are done. I am addicted to these videos.
Loving the project. All episodes until this one I've watched in 3 days. I think I'm hooked.
If possible save the wings. They are the soul of the 401.
I did this with a dirt bike, I inherited it after 10 years in a shed with a bad rebuild. The satisfaction at the end is worth it. Just got my CPL, now I need to find an abandoned aircraft, a large bank account and give it a go.
Keep up the good work!
So glad I found Rebuild Rescue. Watching this 401 project is great! I love planes & birds! You are right about birds 🐦 returning back too where they were born! I saw the video when you first started to get 401 too run & when you moved her too her new home. What makes me Wonder in amazement, is who told the birds where you moved their plane & nest? They found it inside a hanger, pretty far from where it was parked for 17 years. That is pretty amazing! Funny too! It was very nice you let them raise their babies & also released the 🐀. Not that many people would do that! I got a good laugh when you removed the plate on the tail. It was stuffed full. 😋 Great job! Oh! kitty litter helps absorb oil. Makes it easier too clean up plus helps to keep people from slipping & falling. Hazmat clean up & Safer work space.
Make the repair. Fabricate the parts, if possible. Get started on it.
Restore the plane as is! You've got time and a community to support the work, better than stripping apart multiple aircraft to get the job done. Here for the romance of restoration, not the cheapest and fastest restoration possible!
I am so impressed with the level of detail on the checks. I would feel very safe flying in the plane when done. Fingers crossed Oshkosh 2023!!
Do the engines and look for a donor plane in the meantime. If it doesn't check out, you'll have to repair the wings you have.
I haven't worked on a plane since 1978, but looking at what you have found I would look for a plane that needs engines. This one honestly could end up in a tragedy after is all "done".
@@alfredozayas3421 this would be the safest solution overall, but I think it wouldn't be the way to go. After all, it wouldn't be the free aircraft we all came to love so much.
@@alfredozayas3421 there's no reason this airframe can't be made airworthy it's going to take time and money but it's not a lost cause. I think they should buy the new parts and wait for them. Donor wings sounds like a short term fix that'll need doing again in a couple of years
@@Root3264 I completely understand. My issue is with the overall safety of the finished product. He alluded to it on this video. If money isn't an issue and rehabbing the plane to a safe and funcional capability, then by all means do it. My concern is that they are trying to do work intended to be done by experts on the field and making it look like DIY. That is dangerous in aviation. Just my opinion, nothing else. I keep watching and talking to the tv when I see them do something that would have gotten me in trouble I did it on an aircraft.
When it comes to the engine bay or compartment or whatever you want to call it. You need to find a registered airframer. A registered airframer can legally build parts from scratch. All you need is the sheet aluminum or whatever metal is required. My buddy in the Navy was a certified airframer from Boeing. We ha a forklift go through the tail stab and our command was freaking out because it was going to take 3 months to get a new one, which was half of cruise. To make the story shorter. He went to the Master Chief and the master chief took him up to our commander. He told our commander if you have the materials available, which we did for patches, that he could replace those panels it makes a tail look as good as new in a week. The commander suspiciously agreed and my buddy had that tail looking brand new in 3 days running 14-hour shifts. He was awarded some medals and the Navy paid him an extra $30,000 for his repair. I can't remember his name, but it started with a T. He ended up getting kicked out of the Navy because he was an alcoholic. The last time I talked to him though he was a multi-millionaire because he owned nine apartment complexes and was still doing side jobs for Boeing and other aviation oriented companies. What am I getting to?? You need to find a specialist that is willing to do work on the side for cheap and can get it done quickly. Those pieces that need to be replaced, can be done within a couple days with fresh material. It doesn't look like anything's damaged enough to where you can't have an air framer copy the parts. So depending on where you are, call a Boeing or Douglas or any other airplane manufacturer and see if they have any certified Air framers that would be willing to come out and help you.
how far did he go at master chef? 😁😁
@@lnr243
No he talked to the MMC and MMC took him to see our Commander. The airframer was only a 3rd class.
@@benhawke7231 Maybe you missed the joke:):)
really glad your ok
I’m no longer wrenching as a A&P, pivoted careers. Since I started watching your channel, I rebuilt and reorganize my Snap On tool box. I even replaced the battery in my Magneto Timing Tool. I enjoy watching Joe and Keith work without pressure. Best channel on CZcams, thank you.
Thank you for watching Joe !
It was great to meet you and the “RR Crew” @OSH. I cringe when I watch some of the screw removal techniques on the videos. You need to acquire a tool called an “El Brutus” for extracting recalcitrant screws. One of the teams on the engine removal video had one. It is expensive but will become your best friend the first day you use it
I think restoring as much of the plane possible would be the biggest satisfaction rather than replacing a whole wing
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I collect old military gear and I always try to keep as much of the original parts as possible. So I guess that I would go with buying wing parts and rebuild the wings.