Forgotten Airplane from 1946, WILL IT START?
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2022
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Dade City, Fl 33525 - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Memories! In '63, a well healed college friend got drafted into the Army. His daddy had given him a Blue Taylorcraft, and now it was abandoned in the St.Louis area. Both the friend and I were from the same general area of Washington State so his daddy called me and asked if I could fly the T-craft back home during the summer break. Looking at some free flying time and a bit of adventure I agreed. Stuffing my 5'11' frame and a small clothes bag into that thing I headed northwest. It took 8 days due to weather and winds. No radio, just paper charts or Texaco map, and several fuel stops.After the final landing, It took a week for my back to unkink, but by then I understood the distance and grandeur of the American west. I'd do it again.
Q
Never lean toward the prop. I slightly curl my fingers over the trailing edge but not enough to get hurt, keep back straight, step back and pull through using arm strength.
40 years of hand propping small Continentals, Franklins, and early Lycomings with no starters.
Hm...
Never lean toward - not falling into
Slight curling - minimal cross over
Straight back - general good posture
Step back and pull at arm's length - immediately moving back including arm/hand
I learned to fly in N5483M, a 1946 Taylorcraft BC-12-D similar to this one. The year was 1967 and the location was Larchwood, Iowa, home of Zangger Flying Service. The aircraft is still owned by the son of Russell Zangger, an excellent teacher. The first lesson was how to enter and exit the aircraft without doing damage to the fabric below the door. As you could see in this video Bruce had a tough time getting out. Also, if Russell caught you shutting the door with the seatbelt hanging out he charged you an extra dollar per hour for your time. The cost of instruction with gas and oil (wet)and instructor was a whopping $9.00 per hour. He also taught how to hand prop the plane w/o any help. It was always done from the front and with much more energy than shown in this video. The fingertips were just barely, and I mean barely, on the top edge of the prop and the rest of the hands were close to the prop. The right leg was swung under the prop then swiftly brought back while pulling the prop down and backing away as the leg came back ending up several feet away from the prop when the aircraft started. Of course before doing this the a/c was primed, the left magneto was selected and the throttle was advanced about two fingernails width. That is to say not very much. The old bird started the first time almost always. The reason Russell taught his students how to hand prop alone is because we took this Taylorcraft on our short and long solo cross countries and landed at airports that were not always manned. Even though we had to find someone to sign our solo entry in the logbook they were not always aviation aware and most definitely did not know how to hand start an airplane.
One time (at band camp) I advanced the throttle just a tad bit too much and the airplane started. It began advancing down the parking tarmac. I had to jump to the side, grab the wing spar as the Taylorcraft went by me and hold onto the spar until the plane was lined up with the taxiway whereupon I let go of the spar, jumped in and brought the throttle back to idle. Whew! But then I was 17 and knew it all!!!
When the fuel cork/fuel wire hit bottom and did not bounce any longer it was time to land without delay unless there was a wing tank (5483M did not have one but one of his other BC-12-Ds did). Starting the flow of fuel from the wing tank to the main tank was a wing high affair if you know what I mean.
The History of Taylor and his relationship with Piper is very interesting. Anyone that likes Taylorcrafts probably know the history of the Taylorcraft Company and the two men. Taylor was deeply involved in the development of the iconic Piper Cub. I got my license at 40 hours and hold certificate 1822XXX issued in February 1968. That’s it from me. Thanks for letting me post.
Respect to you sir!!! It’s a different world than you grew up in, I wish I had gotten to experience it!
Great post!
When I started flying in the 1970s there were no taildraggers to rent. If you wanted to fly tailwheel you had to buy one. So I began shopping in Trade-A-Plane before I knew how to fly. The Taylorcrafts were tempting because a good one sold for $2,500 or less. Same price for a good Aeronca Champ. An Aeronca Chief was even less at $2,000. But a Piper J-3 Cub was $4,500. My pilot friend insisted that I find enough $$$ to buy a Cub. I took his advice and purchased N3732C for $4,500 out of Enid, Oklahoma. I bought the little Cub sight unseen and had it flown to me by a young pilot for the cost of return airfare. I immediately began my training and 9 or 10 hours later soled my Cub. That day was a dream come true! Some laughed at me for paying $4,500 for a Cub because a couple decades before had seen Cubs going for $1,600. Today that same Cub in the same condition would bring over $30,000. A fully restored J-3 Cub brings $60,000 or more, especially when equipped with a C-85 or C-90 engine and metal prop. I am 68 now but perhaps I will live to fly again someday.
Charles, we are two old geezers that like to fly. Too bad we live so far apart. I'd go flying with you.
@@cP-ee4ox yes, that is best when possible but I have done it both ways many, many times... hundreds of times.
@Brett Peterson I knew N3732C had crashed after barely avoiding an ultralight aircraft that flew into the landing pattern. The Cub pilot tried to avoid the ultralight but stalled and crashed. The Cub caught fire and severely burned the young pilot and his passenger. The injured men apparently sued the owner of the Cub who quickly liquidated his assets and moved to South America. There he ran a hotel and crop dusting school. I located him (I think his name was Riggs) to ask if he still had the logs from N3732C. He told me that he had sold the wreckage on a promisory note but that the buyer had never paid him. He told me that if I could find the Cub to go get it and claim it as a gift from him to me. I never followed through but thought about my old cub every now and then. I figured that somebody out there probably used the registration from my Cub to license a pieced together Cub as N3732C. Glad to hear that it is de-registered. How did you discover this? I owned that airplane twice.
@Brett Peterson Thanks. I remembered correctly that it was Riggs (Sam Riggs) that owned my old Cub when it crashed and burned. Guy in Columbia Mississippi
Good job. Lifetime cub owner here. Professional pilot for my “day job”. Just a suggestion- don’t even walk thru the prop arc of a piston airplane! Glad to see you taking safety precautions.
Aviation fan who cant get any chance of being able to soar here, and most definitely! NEVER go through the Spinny Zone of the Chop-chop! That's how you get Ground (or is it Air?) Moron!
what a beautiful plane, she definitely needs to fly again. hope to see it.
My father in law had a 46 Taylorcraft which he flew for a long time. I would help him do the entire process of care, fueling Ladder (wing tanks) Moving plane to have inspections and such. He could not fly for the last 4 years of his life but we took care of it starting it and such. He passed 12 years ago and we sold the plane. Thanks for this reminding me of years past.
I would love to see it flying. I just turned 50 and I am currently taking flight lessons. (In A 1940 J-3 Cub!) Great video, keep the old birds flying!
I am really impressed by the ease it started. The engine sounds fantastic. I want to say thank you for bringing this so that everyone can hear and see it working. Please do other videos on airplanes. I hope you get it to fly. Thank you David for bringing us along.
That makes me want another Cub with a C-65 to just keep on my farm, not to fly, but just to look at and run each morning. I spent many, many happy hours flying Piper J-3 Cubs!
Dave & Bruce: Would be neat to see that Ercoupe in the background start up, and to hear its history.
Not being knowledgeable enough, I thought Mooney...
Any ideas what the a/c frame is infront of the Ercoupe
Ercoupe owner here too. '46 415C with Cont. 85hp. Similar bare metal and red paint, fabric wing panels.
I'm now 80 years old. As a toddler I flew with my dad who was a private pilot during WW II (He was deferred as shipyard worker building submarines.) After learning to fly in a Piper J-3 (the yellow ones) he bought into a 1/10th share of a Taylorcraft at our local Wisconsin airport. I would sit in my mom's lap in both aircraft. I wasn't with him but heard the story and it is in his logbook (which I got from mom after she passed) - dad passed 25 years earlier - a wind gust took dad after he had landed and flipped the airplane. He only got a black eye from hitting the wheel. Amazingly only some fabric got torn and was quickly repaired. The Army or Navy wouldn't take him for pilot school, first because he didn't have any college and when they had "flying sergeants" dad was 27 and too old. When they knew who was going to win the war (but the Japanese needed to be convinced) dad was drafted for the presumed invasion of Japan, which of course didn't happen.This was just a couple weeks before I turned 3. Dad served two years in the Army of Occupation on Okinawa. By the time he returned flying became too expensive to do routinely in the post-war economy though dad kept his license in force by going up with friends. I don't know what became of the Taylorcraft. I have memories of both types of aircraft and according to my parents could identify and tell the difference between those two, and Aeronca and several other types.
the Piper J-3...............Gotta love the simplicity of the Cub. In US Military service it was the Grasshopper, and even got to see use as artillery spotter, and the funny story of the madman who strapped bazookas to his and took on the Big Kitties of the Panzer Elite.
Got my PPL in Feb and my buddy and I got a Taylorcraft and I got 19 hrs in it now. Fun little plane to fly. Love flying it.
“Like a big old tractor” is exactly right. That engine has a Stromberg carburetor on it just like my 1947 Cessna 140. Those are actual tractor carburetors. My mixture is installed and not wired in place. I use it for leaning about 3,000’. But it won’t shut the airplane off. Fuel selector or mags as you guys mentioned. Cool video. Love the T Craft! Definitely wash it and fly it.
About 1958-59, I helped rebuild 22 Piper Cubs at Sussex, N.J. It was great fun sanding and checking for cracks and priming the metal, then pulling on the Irish linen socks, sewing and doping the fabric, one coat of nitro and two coats of Butyrate with anti-fungal and second with aluminum powder, then two coats of cub yellow. They sold for around $5,000. At 15 years old, I was not allowed to rebuild the engines though (which I could have done). I remember the owner threw away the 4 or 5 old Franklin engines and replaced them with Continentals 65 hp. Had some Lycomings too. I still build and fly R/C models, Cubs being my favorite.
My dad had a champ with the airport that was a rental a guy rented it but on his trip decided to land it but he flew it between two trees
Thank you ❤️ for refreshing my memories of growing up. God speed
Awesome!! More aviation stuff would be cool, let's clean her up! ✈️ When I saw that video, I thought "oh no, they're gonna crash!" But as long as you still have your controls working, you're essentially a glider, so no loss of control. Unless the engine is powering hydraulics, which in that case does mean trouble.
Heck yes……get that beauty in the air. That’s one of the most beautiful classics I’ve ever seen. I’m 72 and we had some Taylorcraft and Cubs at Wood County Airport in Bowling Green Ohio back in the 60’s. This is what true flying by the seat of your pants is all about!
It's only an annual inspection and then go fly! Would recomment new plugs, drain fuel, check all strainers. Find an older A&P that *loves* vintage tailwheel planes.
My 76 year old Cub with cont 65 is just so much fun to fly.. Always an eye catcher and fly-ins!
And maybe a close up visual on the wood prop👍
@@user-3tf67bk46u I have metal McCauley prop. Others with wood to need periodic inspection by qualified prop shop.
Bravo! Thanks for starting a piece of our history!
She needs to fly again Bruce that was awesome to see it run. Thank you so much for bringing us an ole pave
Plane that was cool. 😎
When I learned to fly in 1954 we kept our J 3 in a T hanger out side was a small slab of concrete with a bent steel rod sticking out a short rope tied to the tail we grabbed the prop then pulled the plane forward till the rope was tight then we easily propped the plane by our self Great Memories
What a beautiful aircraft. Absolutely amazing craftsmanship
Good job on the episode I thought it was pretty cool. I always enjoy learning and I know a lot about most things but nothing about airplanes
Thoroughly enjoyed this video! Reminds me of an old friend who had a 46 Cub..same colour as the one you showed them starting it in the sky. As another poster stated.. memories.. thanks for great vid👍
Amazing airplane and an awesome video. Thanks for sharing it. Have a blessed weekend.
it would be really cool to see it cleaned up and flying!!!again pretty cool thanks for the video!!
So fun! My dad rebuilt a Taylorcraft in our garage when I was 7. I did a few stitches on the fabric, and he said, “Now you can say you helped rebuild a plane!” He let me fly a little when I was 8. I took groundschool at 16 but never got my license because I thought I’d not really use it and it was so expensive. My eyes were not good enough to follow in dad’s footsteps (he retired as a 737 captain for the airlines). But growing up around airports made me love everything about planes. The smell of jet fuel is awesome! Thanks for the video!
You should definitely come back and clean it and fly it. What a beautiful plane. FLY IT!!
I enjoyed watching that. Dave would make a good instructor.
I have similar aircraft...1947 Aeronautica Macchi MB.308.... Italian, Continental C.85, with electric start. No wing struts!.
Hasn't run since 2009! Mostly wood and fabric (metal cowl). The only one in Australia. A handful flying in Europe.
Great video Bruce it would be awesome to see you clean it up and get it air worthy 👍
Absolutely loved watching this video, great content 👍
I enjoyed that and it must take balls to restart a plane in the air like that.
Probably helps to be under pressure though😳 He was sorta lucky it wasn't totally vertical to first try to grab! Those two must live right..
That was unbelievable.
Used to work at a small airport (FBO) in Greenville, SC in 1985 and loved it. We had a number of Taylorcraft and fewer Aero Ercoupes - I recall the cork float in the fuel tanks.
You did a good job.I like that airplane,it’s really good for fun .Wish you all the best!
What a beautiful plane! And so so simple. Love it. Gat that thing in the air!
I'd love to see it cleaned up, checked out, and flying.
Grew up flying with my dad in a '46 Taylorcraft BC12-D. We lived on a ranch and fenced off part of a pasture for a runway. Those were the days.
Beautiful bird/plane.....interesting priming old school.....thankyou for the old school demonstration 👍
Have fun and fly that bird !
Sweet sweet sounding engine. Love ❤️ this video.
Love vintage A/C. They were built to last. I'd love to see it fly again.
Absolutely clean and have it inspected. It is a great Vintage/Antique aircraft to back flying.
awesome video, l'd love to see more aviation videos and to see the Taylorcraft clean as well as a video on your Cessna.
also love the PBY Catalina at the end.
Go ahead and clean it and then SELL IT TO ME!!!
My Dad had a T-craft from the late thirties, black with yellow trim and wheel pants. Gorgeous plane. He's long gone but I would love to buy that '46. I am in southeast PA. Thanks for the video.
Very cool. Definitely Clean it up and fly it.
Seeing that big Catalina coming in at the end of the video was a nice treat.
Excellent film footage and sound. Great commentary.
Love this! Definitely more episodes please. PS Epic T-shirt David :-)
Nice to see an old plane come back to live. It reminds me of Mikey McBryan's Plane Savers series on CZcams where they rescued a DC-3/C-47 and brought it back to full flight status. Nice shot of the Catalina/Canso. Looking up the registration number, N222FT, it seems that it is a Canso, that is a PBY that was built in Canada by Vickers Canada.
I had the opportunity to work on a ‘46 T-Craft that our EAA chapter had. A wonderful ole girl. My older 84 year old pilot friend who self-grounded years prior was the Sage mechanic who got that A-65 purring. Then we sold her. I miss it and wish we’d have kept her. Learned to taxi with differential braking from the ole girl.
Great vid and rekindled memories for this newbie pilot.
Fly it!!!
Thanks David for letting Bruce do a will it start. Let's wash it
I rlly hope you guys can get it up and running
Great video. Loved it. Thanks 👍
Such a small thing to correct, the PBY Catalina is a Flying Boat. You can see the wing and engines are mounted almost as an afterthought to the hull through the center strut.
WILL IT START series is just the best so far!!
It runs so quietly ! Very cool 😎
That dudes mullet is a whole vibe
That’s awesome! I fly an Aeronca and we hand prop every time as well!
Great video! Hope you get it to flying.
David had a great T shirt on. The Allen Parsons Project. Great musician going back to the 60's. :) Nice plane too. 🛩🛩🛩🛩✈✈🛬🛫
Beautiful Taylor, this is my dream, one hangar and a taylorcraft to fly. Perfect life. Congratulations.
Get it up in the air and flying again Bruce👍
Amber might disagree with that comment 😂😂 1946 airplane sitting for 20 years. Putter up in the sky Brice 😂 I know what you meant though fully maintenance it then fly it but still I wouldn’t trust it!
Pretty nice plane for only a year after the war. Like the sound of the engine and the one-flip start after priming.
There is a lot safer way to restart an engine in flight, if there is enough altitude, which it appears to be in this video. Just point the nose down and as the airspeed increases work the rudder left and right. The airstream should rotate the engine before the airspeed gets to high. Be gentle on the rudders and pull up if you get above maneuvering speed. I taught all my students this procedure.
@1:23 - David - One of my favorite vinyl albums of all time is "I Robot". What a wonderful listen. I'll give it a spin in honor of that shirt.
Alright! Sounds Fantastic
Thanks Bruce for the awesome video yes wash and see if it sill fly thanks again
I learned the front/leg swing method of hand propping in A&P school. After that, the only plane I hand propped was my dad's Cessna-140 that had a low battery. I think my dad was surprised I knew what I was doing.
Nice How is the fabric? Engine. Compression?
Congrats Bruce on getting the 46 Taylorcraft running. lv ur crazy videos.
Amazing how it starts with the mags on
Absolutely clean that baby up and get it back where it belongs.......in the air!!!
30yr A&P and most of my career worked on high performance aircraft and never had the opportunity to work on something like this, I'd bet it would be a blast! 👍👍
Back to life. Love it.
What a GREAT video ...... (plus a great band on the owners t-shirt)
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I always think that heating the plugs and spraying some release oil into the bores would help it start ???........(But the release oil could create a misfire - woops)
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More relaxing than any meditation video ...... where they tell you to concentrate on your breathing !!!!...... (Pretty obvious really)..... lol ....(or otherwise the meditation wont work) !!!
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MANY THANKS FOR THE VIDEO !!!!
I've seen planes that have sat for 15 years with fuel in the tanks and the fuel was as fresh as the day it was pumped. I really don't think avgas goes bad. That would make sense for fuel certification since a lot of airplanes sit for a log time between flights.
What a beautiful aircraft! I love all the old planes..
Oh wow there's an Ercoupe behind the T craft! Sweet!
That’s a classic. Keep er flying
Nice. Yah She needs a clean. Love the old things. From motors to the lot.👍🏻👌🏻❤
This is what my dad flew! Not sure the exact year, but it was late 40's Taylorcraft. I would love to see you get it fly worthy. Without a doubt. Also, I would love to hear a discussion of what engine you could put on it to keep it within specifications but beef up that horsepower. I’m no mechanic, but I’ve dreamed of taking an old Taylorcraft and putting on some chunkier tires and a beefier engine and having a good off field plane. Nothing for high-performance just something that can hold its own. Heck, restore this I might wanna buy it!
Very cool video. Next on the list should be a big boat or small yacht
Really enjoyed that, thanks guys. - My request - Clean 'er up and fly 'er !!! 👍👍👍👏👏👏
cool clip, keep the clips coming
clean and fly it great stuff thanks to dave
Nice video. Enjoyed it.
Love the smell of Av gas we used to run it in are street cars
Would love to see you guys fly that thing!
You don't want to start it with the prop blast into the hangar. It will blow dust every where including all over other planes.
Clean it up and FLY IT! Good video.
gotta get that thing flying!
I had one like that and it had an elastic band that you had to twist up with a hand wind.
Awesome video Bruce really appreciate it. Have you been to sun n fun in Lakeland it's awesome👍
That is a really cool airplane!! I love that plane!!
My dad had a 46 BC12D N 43140 when I was a kid in the 60s....flew many hours with him as a teenager. Dad passed in 74 and the plane went to Alaska where it is to this day.
Great JOB!!
Love 100ll ! I have many old small engines and use it in everything that doesn't have catalytic mufflers which don't get started regularly, with zero fuel related issues. Even non ethanol pump gas will degrade and varnish in a short period. Would enjoy seeing her get a good bath and maintenance! Thanks for sharing👍
Nice will it start that’s a cool little plane oh ya go back can the little plain 👍🏼
Nice. I'll be doing this with our J3 Cub later this year. Have to get the engine back on the plane first....
Great video, thanks for respecting the prop. Years ago a new student pilot, was so excited about soloing that the made the ultimate mistake, they tried to remove the chocks from the front of the aircraft, they lost an arm and luckily they fell back with facel lacerations.
Cool stuff man 🤙
I love to hear that sound!
Good to see it running again David, now lets fire up some of those Cox/Testors U control planes collection you have.