How Powerful Are Paladins? - World of Warcraft Lore
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Paladins, how powerful are they in the lore? Keep in mind this video is my opinion based on the existing lore facts.
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In this video I talk about the power of paladins in the lore. Covering the history of the Light itself and the various races that can wield it. After that I mainly use humans for reference as I go into abilities and strengths and weaknesses. Lastly I compare the paladins against all other available classes. Keep in mind that this video is just my own opinion based on the current lore. Feel free to leave your thoughts below!
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"The light will abandon you hero, just like it did to me" -Arthas. Saddest line
And the truth is that the light didn't abandon arthas. He just stop having faith in it and that is why his power started to fade.
D:
Every shadow priest ever
“No, you chose your own destiny.” - thrall
when did he say this ?
Paladins are the super saiyans on Azeroth.
Nicolai why ?? No
Lol super Saiyan lol nah you wrong Nicolai
@@abdualrhmanaljasmi2107 I would make you both sit with my paladin!
Personally I believe that Paladins are much stronger than they think they are... if they know how to control The Light.
Same goes for all casters.
The reason Tirion's shield was broken by Krosus was because of the 7.0 patch. He got his bubbles mixed up and used his vengeance shield in accident.
I hope you don't mind someone disputing your theory.
1:15:
You seem to forget that the Night Elves have worshipped the Light - personified as Elune - for thousands of years even before the War of the Ancients. It's quite likely that the nocturnal trolls that discovered the Well of Eternity were already worshippers of the Moon
Goddess, even before the powers of the Well evolved them into elves. Keep in mind that Velen himself believes Elune to be one of the Naaru, while Blizz sources claim that she might be even older and more primal than these beings. In fact, she may be the creator of the Naaru, in a parallel to the judeochristian God and His angels.
Also, while the Sunwalkers were introduced in Cataclysm, we can easily assume that the cult of An'she, the Tauren Sun Goddess, is also ancient. The Tauren also recognize Elune (called Mu'sha) as a deity, although she and An'she seem to play second fiddle to the Earth Mother.
Humankind, on the other hand, emerged post-Sundering. Their understanding of the Light may be more enlightened (pardon the pun), since they see it less as a "god" and more as a primordial force of the universe - but they were hardly the first ones on Azeroth to harness its power.
2:58:
Actually, even before the Sunwell was reignited, the Blood Knights were forced to undergo a major change of their dogma. When Kael'thas raided Silvermoon and abducted M'uru, the Blood Knight hierarchy realized how misguided they were. Desperately surviving on the remnant's of M'uru's energy left in their headquarters, they made contact with A'dal and pledged themselves to the Sha'tari cause, which in turn led to the reignition of the Sunwell. This was not a purely utilitarian decision, however - after facing such betrayal, Lady Liadrin truly regained her faith in the Light, and proactively sought redemption for her order. Ever since, they have - at least officially - returned to their traditional ways. In fact, their direct involvement with the Naaru may have brought them closer to the Draenei understanding of the Light than their old, human-inspired "worship".
3:12:
Calling the Sunwalkers "druids of the Sun" is a common, but irritating misunderstanding. It's about as accurate as calling Moon Priestesses "druids of the Moon" (which they obviously are not). The Sunwalkers are closer to shamanism than druidism, but, as I said above, their object of worship is not a mere elemental lord, but a sun deity. This would put them somewhere between shamans and priests, with a decidedly militant approach - basically, they are paladins in service of a more primal, less abstract religion. To dismiss them as "druids of the Sun" as insulting as dismissing our own world's non-dominant religions for not being "mainstream".
3:38:
In the vein of your dismissal of the Sunwalkers, but with full understanding of what I'm doing: isn't it the same way that some shamans can lose their elemental powers? (I'm looking at you, Thrall. *Twice already.*)
3:59:
Actually, the Broken and the Lost *were* forcefully severed from the Light by Fel magic and exposure to the Twisting Nether's energies after the sundering of Dreanor. Their affliction is not just psychological - it's holistic. Even in the alternate timeline of WoD we can find an example of such a Draenei (although he seems to have been corrupted mostly spiritually, without the physical shrivelling of the Broken and the Lost, but in the end he still wasted away as if mortally ill) - a Vindicator whose connection to the Light was severed by an Arrakoa sun priestess. You can encounter and free his hostile spirit in Talador, allowing him to transcend his taint and reconnect with the Light through final death.
8:59:
It was recently confirmed that demons are not that vulnerable to the Light. In fact, there are demons that actually wield it in a subversive, blasphemous way. The Light's opposite is the Void, not the Fel. This is probably the reason why paladin abilities are no longer designed in-game to be as effective against demons as they are against the undead (at least since WoD, if not earlier). *[!!!SPOILERS!!!]* In fact, the first and most fel-infused demon hunter, Illidan, was marked by the Light as its champion, and while he expected it to be painful, it did not actually hurt him *[/SPOILERS]* - so we can assume that the Light isn't specifically destructive to demons, at least not any more than it would be to regular mortals. (Any previous "extra damage" can be chalked up to either Early Installment Weirdness or Gameplay And Story Segregation... pardon my tropish).
10:50:
Actually, it was confirmed that despite being animated by dark magic, the Forsaken are not more vulnerable to the Light's power than most mortals. In fact, the healing powers of the Light cause them more pain than the damaging applications thereof, because they revive their dead flesh, causing them to actually register the pain of rotting, smell and taste their decay etc.
All in all, while you try to be thorough in your analysis, I think you make too many assumptions, and your analysis is human-centric to the extreme. Awesome piece of work, but you could do better.
Thank you! I prefer your lore way better. The in game stuff is just to not confuse players with the in depth lore.
damn what a comment
Paladin will always be my favorite class. I may stop playing them for a time, but I always come back and have the most fun when playing them.
Sam Burris once you go pally you are in it for life ^^
from 3:39 to 3:42 that dwarf must have enjoyed eating his shoulderpiece
LOL
XDDD
he was obviously sucking it off
correct me if I'm wrong but the paladins were created to counter the death knights of the horde and they pretty much kicked their ass
they were always described in the novels as being of equal to each other. I don't believe there is any instance where one overpowers the other. That being said, the new generation of death knights are far more powerful than the ones Gul'Dan created
The paladins were created to combat the ORIGINAL death knights, and definitely did kick their asses. Mostly because the original death knights were simply warlocks put into the bodies of dead alliance warriors.
However, the later death knights, such as Arthas and the playable death knights were designed to be on equal footing, if not superior to paladins. As that was what the Lich King intended to combat. Paladins and the Light.
The original "death knights" don't compare to the death knights created by the Lick King.
If you only go by the novels, then sure but in Warcraft 2 A Paladin could one-shot a DK or any undead with exorcism when he was at full mana
I'm pretty sure the first paladins were draenei.
Tirion: "Champion... You must.. take the Ashbr-"
*Random Paladin used Lay on Hands*
*It was super effective*
Tirion: "Nevermind, let's go kick that warlock orc's ass. (Kinda forgot I even had that spell...)"
*Stabs tirion*
You aint killing shit. I've already had enough of you stealing my kill ONCE, but for 3 more expacs after? FUCK THAT!
Now go back to that toilet hole you call a house, hermit, i'm the highlord now. And I am gonna show you, along with the rest of the universe, what the strongest...class...is?!
*Tirion starts crying*
Tirion: "Okay, I'm going to sit in the corner with Thrall and Maiev then..."
*Suddenly, all three are cleaved by Saurfang*
Saurfang: "Ain't nobody stealing kills in MY game."
Crowley: "YOUR game?"
*You feel an insane amount of cleaving intent*
MrAyeSir *Sargeras destroys azeroth then after cause no one decided to LOOK UP*
*Theldurin the Lost saves Azeroth by punching Sargeras in the face!*
Something I already mentioned in the video but it's worth saying it again. This series is my opinions based on the lore facts. Obviously people will disagree with some of my conclusions and that is fine. Certain areas in the lore, especially when it comes to the power of classes are very gray and can be interpreted in many ways. There are just so many factors (race, experience, specific abilities) that its next to impossible to make a completely solid ranking.The reality is every class can beat all the others but in order for me to form some sort of a system based on the history and current lore I have to rank classes based on their average strength.
Also, for the comparisons I've mainly used a human paladin just for the sake of video length. Of course other paladins are not exactly the same as I did mention briefly.
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Lol-lore "facts" . There fixed it for you .
You haveforgotten to mention the priesteses of Elune while you were listing priests, however i understand that NElves have no paladins, which might be the reason you have excluded them.
why can some classes be priests but can't be paladins, like goblins, or night wlfs
I hate night wifs!
Love the video but have to disagree. Paladins are some of the most powerful classes lore wise.
Just behind Warlocks, Druids ,Shadow Priests, Mages , shamans and DH/DK
@@klapacjuszanimomon8501 Shamans??????????????? XDXDXXDDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD
shadow priest=paladin/ofensive holy priest
Paladin in average is below Warlock, Mage and DH and DK. But the strongest ones can definitely reach insane level of power just like Druid, Shaman and Priest.
But to be fair, there isn't any bad DK because it's an elite, paladin aren't. The elite of Paladin are as strong as DK, they maybe even have the match-up advantage due to the light.
"few exceptionaly powerfull ones" - the whole playerbase...
lol
But if everyone's exceptional.... no one is!
+Opressor Oprimido what I said about the warswords of the valuable I looked around and said the rest of these ppl are wannabes
Peoples are now geting upset about how everyone is special with artifacts but I was always upset about every one can be paladin or mage while they are fewer than warriors and hunters in lore.
Baran Duman well what would you have them do? only first few people on server can create a mage?
Doron, you are comparing a godly creature (which took both the horde and the alliance fighting together with the nameless heroes to defeat) with your average Warlock. Just because that creature could break Tirions shield, doesn't mean a random Warlock could destroy a random Paladin's shield.
Sky Chaser but he’s no average paladin. He’s a a beast of a paladin.
Tirion is an upjumped above average paladin witha good sword/ location.
Tirion was famous for actually shattering Frostmourne
According to the lore:
arcane < fel < light = void.
So paladins and whoever controls void are the strongest in the Warcraft's universe.
Khennu shadow priests control void
Fel is stronger than Light and Void...
DrumsandOther
But death knights, especially in the second war, were void and fel users. They were no match for Turalyon using the light.
DrumsandOther No is not. Light and Void overpower everything
@@DrumsandOther i thought fel was a corruption of both the light and void?
I think paladins are one of the strongest classes since they are "heroic class" in lore, f.e. warriors and hunters are generic cannonfodder (like city guards), mages, druids, shamans, monks and priests are also common and most of them are rather weak. However, classes like demon hunters, paladins, death knights and warlocks are rare and elite, carefully chosen to be inducted in this organizations (in case of warlocks, these are powerful mages who want even more) , so average paladin is much stronger than average warrior (in lore).
the thing is druids and shamans are still not a "normal" class
Not really, maybe the initial order of the Silver Hand but that doesn't apply to all paladins. In the recent times with the Argent Dawn, Argent Crusade and the reformed Silver Hand many can go through training to become a paladin. I wouldn't call other classes cannon fodder as almost all of them require intense practice. It's not like anyone can become a mage, priest, druid or a shaman. There are varying levels of power with any class, a mage that just began his training would be weak but at his full potential he would be very powerful. Just looking at the warriors, even though regular soldiers are technically warriors there are special orders such as the Blademasters that are much stronger than an average warrior.
Those generic city guards right now are the mini sargeras of the Titan Keeper Odyn lorewise. Yeh, they're 3 at max, but atleast it finally we're not just random ass guy who is good at using weps. IMO Cataclysm war really felt like a war. It just shown how much destruction a Weaponmaster can do (Shattering Throw).
P sure generic town guards are considered "fighters" not "warriors". Same way Illidan was a "sorceror" not a "mage". Maybe this was retconned.
I always found that a Paladin's strength was based on their faith in the Light. The greater their faith, the more powerful they were. I acknowledge that Warlocks and Mages can unleash more destructive power than Paladins, but I felt that it's cause a Paladin is more honed and trained in their power. They aren't out to destroy everything through shear power, but tap into what they needed to overcome their seemingly impossible foe.
Paladin is the best class for me!
Arthas used the whosyourdaddy to kill Uther xD
LOL
It's not as easy, because he becomes invulnerable after the first hit. Had to go that route for the video recording. :D
Lol nice itisagooddaytodie indeed
He didn't, he just lets his Ghouls do all the work.
"It takes great practice and training to get to a level where you could actually start control there powers." -> queing LFG
Tirion also had a territorial disadvantage when his shield broke (noted by Guldan) and when fighting Arthas at ICC (noted by Arthas). Tirion also had the advantage at Light's Hope (as noted by Tirion himself) - so it seems the ground you fight on had a role to play. And I thought Arthas brought greater numbers to the fight against Uther.
Remember when Death Knight and Paladin fights used to take forever to end? I'd say they were pretty equal originally. It's one thing to see two people of the same class duke it out for a long time, but I think these two classes are the only case I can remember of two different classes being almost equally matched in a fight.
Might be seeing a change to that though with the new Outlaw Rogues going up against Demon Hunters.
Eh... outlaw rogues are nothing like demon hunters lol
MastaGambit I didn't say they were.
One of your arguments makes 0 sense. How can u honestly say that paladins have no shields that stand up to the destructive power of a warlock or mage? They are the only class with a shield that grants complete immunity from all sources of damage. Using Tirion as an example to dispute this is not even legit since it is not just a random warlock or a mage who breaks his bubble, but rather a strong demon summoned by Gul'dan (who is not your average warlock). You are right in the sense that paladins do not posess major destructive force, but you kind of skip over the fact that they offer utility that is unmatched by any other class, except maybe druids, with abilities for just about any situation. From a lore perspective paladins are just as much a prestige class as death knights and demon hunters, so how can you say that a demon hunter would win the matchup for sure?Arthas preferred to convert paladins specifically because they are elite compared to your average fighter. That and he probably found it ironic and amusing.
Mages, priests and demon hunters also have immunity shield paladins arent the only ones. His ideas are based lorewise not how you play that class in-game. Tyrion was using divine shield and the demon was so powerfull that he broke through it. Warlocks are the only ones who has that powerfull destructive force. But again, based on lore not how you play in-game otherwise it would be broken
When did I ever say the other classes had no shields? What I said was: He cannot simply ignore the fact that paladins do have a shield that blocks magic, based on Tyrion's bubble bursting vs. a very powerful demon. If an average lock/mage vs. an average paladin, the shield is likely to hold, both lore and gameplay suggests this. That does not mean the paladin wins by default, in fact i'd say it wouldn't change the outcome in most cases, but it sure as hell is different from dismissing the shield as being of no consequence. Basically, saying that any warlock and any mage could fry a paladin's shield is wrong that is what i'm getting at, that was my point. Regarding the demon hunter vs paladin I consider them evenly matched.
Of course that is an extreme, but the power of Tirion is also an extreme. An average paladin would be way below him, especially since he had the Ashbringer. With the sword he was the strongest paladin around with a great protection of the Light. I'm comparing extremes with extremes. On an average level of course a paladin could block but if a powerful paladin was faced with a powerful warlock the magics could overwhelm him.
Why am I saying that a demon hunter would win in a match up? The Illidan novel. Demon hunter have an essence of a demon inside them and their reflexes, speed and abilities are super human. There is no melee class that would be able to outmatch a demon hunter in hand to hand combat, without some legendary weapon or magical powers.
Chaos bolt went through all shields in Wrath of the Lich King. No paladin was safe from my destruction warlock!
Well, doron, let's face it...my paladin is now WAY above tirion.
Also, I am soloing HFC normal....and I am at mannaroth...so....PROGRESS!
Thanks for doing this vid (keep up the good work)
Thank you.
thanks for the video :) keep the good work :P
Amazing video! TY so much for making this.
Loved this video man,big fan of the Paladin and Shamans. Hope you can do Shamans next time.
Excellent work! I'm loving these videos. Can we expect shaman anytime soon? :)
I like how you make mentions of the case by case basis rule. Many try to search for a final and ultimate answer instead of acknowledging mitigating factors and different scenarios.
Great series I hope there will be more of it
excelente vídeo! Amazing video, thank you from brazil!
Yay my sort of favorite class. Always love your videos.
Thank you. :)
i feel like ur just saying "well it really depends on the duel and the power level" for every single comparison, but u also gave some good examples, keep up the good work.
Very nice video! I can't wait to see How powerful are rogues and monks.
Hi I love your videos you are awesome and it could be that the next of these videos could be about the warriors?
I love this series! do more classes!:D
wow i really like this videos keep up u really make great videos. what will be next class?
Thank you. Still not sure at this point.
druids ofc :D they have really good lore
or shamans maybe
Awesome video :3
You should do a video on Undead Paladins and Sir Zeliek and whether or not Undead can channel the light if they are faithful enough.
I've always loved Paladins. Started with WC3 Arthas then Tirion. Now both dead T.T. Playing Pala in Legion taking over Tirions legacy/Reign. Keep it up. I love lore videos like this. Paladins forever! For the Light!
don't forget uther
Never will but he wasn't iconic for me as Arthas or Tirion was. WC3 was all about Arthas for me then WoW was Tirion in the Wrath of the Lich King. I would still rate Uther high though.
yeah but he's still worth mentioning. rip tirion, uther and arthas. the greatest paladins. you'll be forever in our hearts.
can you do a video on what you know and think happened to the broken and mag'har orcs and mok'nathal after BC did they migrate to azeroth?
I remember thinking, back in the day when WoW was released, that paladins didn't really sit on the level of the other classes, since they were a Hero in WC3 (although they were also upgraded knight units in WC2). If only we'd had the concept of a hero class back then, but alas.
Hero and Prestige classes are as old was wargames. The Paladin was a prestige glass of the Chainmail and AD&D Fighter-man.
Thomas Paglione I was thinking about WoW in specific, but true.
The order of the silver hand was created long before the first war, it was an order created to protect the secret of the hand of tyr. This is verified by playing the holy paladin artifact quest, needs an update.
Love this pls make more
Will do. :)
9:28 "fail on the magical side"
Screaming to myself: blessing of freedom!!!
There is something to keep in mind. Tirion was being tortured for a while before we got there. Secondly, Gul'dan is insanely empowered by the Legion and Kiljaeden.
Nevermind the lore and what would/could happen. I know my personal experience as a Holy paladin, and I absolutely hate fucking with priests, mages, DKs, and warlocks. There was a time when I had zero fear against any other class, but now with all the "balancing," I'm not sure how 1v1 duels will be. If I get fucking mana burned one more time, I'm going to unleash my Navy Seal sniper skills and on somebody and hack their location. Seriously. No more mana burn. You have to just put up with my limitless mana pool or you're fucking dead, kiddo.
Could you do a video on the dragonborn and how powerful his shouts are?
you should do priests next, I'd like it mainly for the shadow part
Looking forward to the monks, especially the brewmaster!
Please share the song used on 8:27
The next one should how powerful rouges are in the lore. Love your work.
Thank you. I still don't know which one I will do next but I will cover rogues at some point.
Agreed.
Honestly, lorewise an unexpected backstab can beat anyone. Now 1v1 would depend on the smartness of the rogue.
I think in a 1v1 rogues are reaaaally strong, because they are basically assassins. So they know how and where to strike to land a single fatal blow. They also excel at finding a weak spot in a blink of an eye, so for example, a paladin vs a rogue:
The paladin would see a poisoned huge ass dagger in his chest before he could cast a bubble.
Threats for rogues: DH, because of their cheating sight and their swiftness, giving rogues a hard time
Mages, because their magic can also detect invisible things and may blink away if they look behind them swiftly enough
DK, because one does not simply stab something that was already dead before
What's the armor at 5:24 ?
Are the protection paladins most powerfull class ? coz i saw a paladin that cant die 10vs1 in cataclysum expansion ???
Very nice vídeo!
I enjoyed most of it. Just had a problem with this part with Tyrion being exposed to fell: it was not any fell, from some dude. it was massive fell from a fucking demon. I guess only Illidan could HANDLE it.
But man, you won my subscribe. Thanks for the channel!
please do a priest one. Also could you talk about Disc priest compared to the other specs?
I actually plan on creating a world of warcraft fanfiction that focuses on human paladin that was initially a strong believer in fighting for the alliance until he eventually finds reasons to doubt the alliance and goes rogue and perhaps his powers might atrophy due to his doubts
Interesting comparison. But after seeing all your other videos, what got me intrigued are the priest. They have been mentioned as a counter to most of them, but I can't remember many powerful priests in lore.
Because priests are mostly healers. They are the goalkeepers in football (soccer). When they are on the team no one gives a fuckk about them but if there is none the team is dead.
Hey Dorons, are you going to do only the main classes, or are you going to mention weird sub-classes like spellbreakers and necromancers? Not bitching but it would be interesting to see how you think they pair up to our regular main classes.
Probably not for this series but I do want to cover the lore classes that are not playable, either in a separate video or in something else.
One thing about tirion's shillelaghs is that guldan gets a little power from sargarus as he is basically what is letting the burning legion terrorize Azeroth
Can you do Shamans next? I'm really interested in how powerful shamans are lore-wise.
im thinking they have to be one of the most powerful ones since they can basically control all the elements.
That is what I was thinking and also why I want to have a video about them :P
Just look at the green living being that appears in all expansion cinematics, he is the best example of the power of a good shaman
You mean green jesus?
They significantly lowered his power in Legion though. In the Shaman quests he says that since he killed Garrosh he's lost touch with Doomhammer and the elements. Plus he gets 1v1ed by a regular demon at the Maelstorm .
I have to agree with some other commenters on a few points:
1) You seem to be placing the average mage too high on the scale. The average mage afaik isn't insanely destructive and could have their attacks deflected by a paladin and other classes. I think you're right about warlocks, warlocks (like demon hunters) are exceptional in every case.
2) You do too much of the "a good paladin is good and an ok paladin is ok". Yeah, we know they vary. That's obvious. Tell us things we don't necessarily know, like how an average paladin (or whatever class) performs in their intended role and compare with them in an intended role.
I heard that in the old RPG books, experienced paladins were described as getting physically larger and more powerful over time, because channeling the light through their physical attacks and defenses, and buffing and healing themselves all the time, caused their bodies to get sort of "supercharged" and develop to greater health and strength.
Of course, they were old, and based on WCIII lore and not WoW lore (I suspect that the idea of them getting bigger and buffer was partly to explain why paladins in-game looked so huge and square...), but I'm not sure if it's ever been explicitly refuted, and most paladins DO seem to be particularly athletic. Is there any lore anywhere that's currently canon and that either refutes or supports the idea of the Light enhancing paladins physically, in that cumulative, passive way?
I have to say I really hate what blizzard has done to Blood Knights. They went from Badass Battle-mages who drain power from the Sunwell to boring ass Silver hand paladins.
Nice vid mate keep them up! :]
I'd just like to point out (with respect of course) that yes we have seen Paladin vs Death Knight matches so we know their limits and strenghts but while we haven't seen these new Demon Hunters in action we clearly have kicked their arsess in Black Temple (and thats a canon moment) so I say that while it is indeed a case-to-case thing I'd still say that while the Demon hunters a swift they are no different fighters than the rogues just they cant hide in the shadows and they can actually fly but they are actually agile the same way so I'd say that while we don't know too much about the Demon Hunters we definetly know 1 thing we kicked their arses many times in Burning crusade and I don't think that such a class should be above of..... well.... most classess.....
A new hero race? It is indeed one.
We can finally get to see what they did? Sure thing!
Are they awesome and badass? Most certainly indeed!
Are they as strong as many people speculate them? In my opinion NOPE! Yeah Arthas was empowered by the Lich King buhu Illidan was empowered by the skull of Gul'daniel so...... I could rather say that they were evenly matched considering the fact that Gul'daniel was the STRONGEST WARLOCK WHO EVER WAS! and While yeah Ner'zul was made to be the lich king I'm sure Gul'daniel's power was far more stronger and if the legion used that 1 bloody skull to empower something when the legion lorewisely attacked for the 2nd time then I highly doubt that they were not evenly matched and yet Illidan got his ass kicked by Arthas Menethil and by basically everyone in Burning Crusade Keep in mind these Demon Hunters are still the demon Hunters we fought against at the Black Temple so I don't think that they are above not just the death knight but basically a lot of classess of course a Demon Hunter could probably beat ranged classess (unless the hunter dudes are really swift to give them an Arrow to the Knee or the Mages are burning them down and Warlocs? You know their strenght guys priests? okay they are rather good in groups........ though Anduin for a priest is pretty OP so.... case-to-case with them as well #Anduinisawesome) we've seen the Demon Hunters fight with us and while yes we are the ultimate badass awesome Heroes of Azeroth who did EVERYTHING while the lore-heroes just were there helping us out but now the Demon Hunters can become the Heroes of Azeroth as well which means that they are no longer defined by the simple fact that okay we beat them because it was what we were suposed to do! and the fact that they gonna get some serious buffs in the close future I'd say that Warriors are still the better tanks and there are a ton of DPS-es which are overpowering them gamewisely and I know this is a video about lorewise facts but now that we got the demon hunters in game lore will not gonna protect them from becoming stronger or weaker in the eyes of the people
I said everything with respect and I do love your vids I just pointed out the weaknesses of the Demon Hunters as well because yes they fought against demons in (well I wouldn't say in their entire life but for quite a long time) and yes they are able to basically keep their demonic side in check and I know that they got to the basically homeworld of the Nathrezim and I know that they managed to beat the living crap out of the demons there but considering the fact that we kicked their arses in Burning Crusade and Maiev was able to seal away kind of a lot of demon hunters and gamewisely (so in game) we have better tanks and stronger dps-es as well
Give them credits where credits deserve to be given but don't give them more than they deserve I've always wanted to play with this class and I'm happy to play with it finally but during my long playthrough as a Mage/Paladin/Monk/Shaman/Priest/Warrior/Death Knight I still would say that the Demon Hunters fun but they wont be the strongest till they get buffed (or Shadowpriests and Death Knights and Warriors and Paladins) get nerfed
back in 2004-2005, i had 2 guildmates (lvl 60 paladin and lvl 60 warrior), both were decked with complete set of Tier 0, the best pre-Ragnaros items one can wear (Lightforge and Valor). Then they had duels and all the time the Paladin won. The paladin had shield and heal spells while the warrior didn't have means to replenish health.
Each round took quite a while though, as Paladin at this stage had only a few high damage offensive capabilities, and this made people say it's the most boring class to play
Wings (Crusade) is still the best spell in the game, which give us a fighting chance in any fight
You say there were no recorded duels between paladins and DHs but even if there were you would probably just say ''However this was just one duel/specific scenario'' like you usually do
Do one on monks please
How powerful are druids?
04:54 where is this ?
4:33 is this shield obtainable? Does anyone know its name?
Unfortunately it is not obtainable
i wish.
Something that is noteworthy though, Paladins were trained to counter Warlocks (which in turn, also "old" death knights since they were just souls of warlocks who were put into the bodies of the deceased".
I’ve been stuck in combat with a warrior for a while because we both can heal ourselves.
We just stoped after like 45 minutes of combat and just waved and walked away.
The only other class that I say could stand up to a paladin are Shamans. They are similarly empowered and martial in nature.
Keep in mind, a paladin is an elite warrior WITH divine powers. With lore in mind:
Warriors are basically just a guy with a melee weapon.
Priests have divine powers but are not primarily geared for combat or paladins would not have been needed in the first place.
Warlocks, Deathknights and Demon Hunters all rely on demonic, shadow or undeath to empower them. To the paladin, this makes them prey, for paladins are empowered specifically to fight such foes.
Rogues are just a guy with a knife.
Monks are just a martial artist.
Mages have powerful arcane abilities but the paladin at one point or another has abilities to hose such things such as Fire and Ice resistance auras. Yes they were fairly weak but that was for balance purposes. Realistically speaking, they would be far more powerful.
Hunters? Just a guy with a bow and a pet.
Knightstruth I main a ret. paladin and agree ...in PvP the only real problems come from good casters... I can usually handle everything else ....of course the only good warrior is one with pocket healers and even then I give them problems ....
Sr Doronsmovies, When will you add the warrior?
There is a problem... light magic DOES NOT do more damage to undead, or demon beings in Legion. So paladins are on the same efficiency level as any other class in that matter. During vanilla light magic was doing more damage to undead or demoninc beings, I dont remember but I guess same was on BC too... but after Lich King all that have changed and light magic was not affecting the way it supposed to be.
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I literally had no idea what the fuck he said the first few times i saw it
From the gameplay perspective Demon Hunters (depends on the player) could be really easely defeated by Paladins,but also sometimes they can be really hard. From my experience - I play random BG as Pally and two Demon Hunters jumped on me it was 1v2 duel,but with the help of the healing spells and the power of the light i survived (barely) but i did :D So for the Pally vs DH thing i think it depends on individual (btw i had pretty much same health and ilevel as the DH had)
I'm just going to point out a little flaw in all of this. One about Paladins not being as great in arms as general warriors. Theres honestly no reason that they couldn't be and remember that Knights of stormwind were losing to Orcs, until Paladins came along by your logic a knight should be far superior in arms to a paladin but that's just not the case and also I feel that you brushed off the whole empowerment thing as if it was nothing. This empowerment of the light throughout their bodies is a major factor in what makes a Paladin able to stand up to things so much bigger than himself in ability or size.
do Shaman please. also think about Runemaster, I doubt it will ever be added since its would be redundant with monks and DK rune forging. still, they are my favorite
I will cover the shamans, doubt about the runemasters though. Most of their lore is retconed although there might be some interesting new information in Legion.
What a shame, Runemasters seemed so cool unlike Monks which are very plain.
Well there are also Necromancers as well. Runemasters can be seen in the game since there have been bosses that are Runemasters and technically Death Knights use a form of rune magic. There's also the Blademaster which can be used in Warcraft 3.
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I'd say Blademaster turned into Warrior, since the main ability blade dance was given to warriors. Necomancers like Runemasters were cannibalized by other classes, mainly Death Knights.
Wrath really wrecked my dreams of Runemaster. DKs and Rune Forging and Inscription with Glyphs.
Mage next!!
One thing I'm curious about is that since there are night elf priests would night elf paladins fit
tier 2 on a 3 tier system
warlocks been tier 1 but only if they let it all go, then tier 2 been mages, druids, paladins, sharman's and DK and lastly tier 3 been warriors, rogues, monks, hunters and priest.
now shadow priest and demon hunters i don't know about id likely put them in tier 2.
I love this video just like the others TY
Thanks, good to hear. :)
pls do shadow priest and shaman
please next do how powerful are the shamans
Will cover them, most likely not next though.
doron i mostly agree with your video (and i imagine comparing classes lore wise must be a pain in the a**) but you have to remember that paladins were created to fight orcish warlocks during the second war, so i think in a purely lore-wise scenario paladins would have some counters to defend and fight against locks...
I feel that what paladins lack in overwhelming power like with warlocks they make up for in overwhelming stubbornness to die or having their will broken.
It's here!
In Azeroth, world where magic reigns, many warriors have no choice but shed bitter tears
Interestingly, tauren ''paladin'' NPCs in game themselves talk about the ''Light', back in MoP and WoD, while we know they are ''sun paladins'' technically, we don't really know much about their Earthmother, except they worship its other part in counter to Night elf worship of the moon. By that we could say that its just Elune both races worship even if the tauren themselves don't know it., high possibility since the tauren have had a high affinity for all things Nature long before night elevs even existed and even had relations with Cenarius before aswell.
Tauren existed when elves were still trolls, they were one of the primitive races on Azeroth along with trolls and others. When you read specifically about druidism, the tauren befriended Cenarius when they were still primitive due to their love and care for all things nature, they are the children of wilds, after a while Cenarius left em and later on gained connection with the highborne elves, teaching Malfurion Stormrage druidism who became the first mortal druid.
We do not know if Cenarius taught tauren any druidism during their time together, but since Malfurion is considered the first mortal druid, then we have to assume he didn't and they were just friends.
But the point is, Cenarius has a great respect for the tauren race because of their affinity to nature since the beginning of their existence.
do druid please
Holy fuck the amount of misinformation in these videos is astouding. I haven't even gotten to the part where he attempts to pit paladins against the other classes but wow.
EDIT: I finished the video and I'm happy to report that at least he was very fair in judging their relative power levels to other classes. Although, I think Doronsmovies is way to biased towards mages and warlock casters. The likes of Gul'dan and Jiana, the type of mages that could crush every other class are of heroic power levels. The average mage would be utterly destroyed by an average or either weaker paladin as they cannot rely on summoning meteorites or colossal demons but, instead usually have to rely on small projectiles or direct magical attacks, both of which can be blocked by the paladin's defensive magic.
The strongest mage would be able to kill the strongest paladin, but that's it.
Do how powerful are monks please
Someone mentioned he is biased toward DH but i think he has more of an incline towards Warlocks ;) am i right or am i right.
BTW love your videos
please, can you make for the warriors??
Yes I will make one for warriors, just not sure when.
Well you have to cover the strongest class now, THE WARRIOR!
I think it's important mentioning that 'blood elves' can be paladins, just like a human, although its just a lot more uncommon. A lot of the previous blood elves, became high elves and therefore disconnected to the new Sunwell, but they are still paladins through faith only. As well as some blood elves the same!
IMO night elfs were tuned to priesthood long before vrykul evolved/devolved into humans and coming to the Light. We even see that in the Well of Eternity dungeon with Tyrande using the Light. Not trying to be rude or anything. But I do agree that humans seems to be the most attuned to the Light, well expect from the Draenei.
Paladin:Jedi Knight
Technically the trolls, particularly the Zandalari, were using the light before the Humans were. Also unlike the Draenei the races of Azeroth seem to have a natural ability to use the light while the Draenei were given this ability from the Naaru.