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5 Minutes To A Better Mix: Room Mic Compression - TheRecordingRevolution.com
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2011
- Part 8 of 31 - In this video I cover a technique of over-compressing your room mic(s) on your drum kit in order to bring a fatness and energy to your drum tracks, all while keeping the natural dynamics of your close mics.
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The 1176 has a release setting the wrong way around, which means you've actually set your release as fast as possible rather than as slow as possible.
7 = fastest release
1 = slowest release
Awesome! Can't wait to try this one this week
Exactly, the pumping is what makes it sound so cool!
7 is the fastest release but that IS what you want you want in this situation
Loving the series. You can simulate the effect for sampled drums. One method is to create three auxes, one for your "normal room" another for your "squashed room" and the other for your submix. The normal room is just a reverb adjusted to sound like the desired room sound you want and the squashed track has the same reverb settings plus a compressor. From your submix use a pre fader send to your "normal room" and another pre fader send to the "squashed room".
It really makes a huge difference.
A real simple concept but an awesome sound, nice tip :)
I like your 5 Minutes To A Better Mix! Thanks man!
sounds soooooo goood!
I’m lucky enough to be working with 2 room mics in a church cathedral on my band’s ep. I can’t wait to try this later.
I'm so gonna use this on my next mix
thanks :D I've found these tricks help!
Fantastic!!
Thank you very much for this video. I,m your fan.
Nice. I also like the approach of using the room mics (if you are blessed with a nice room) to find your actual sound...catch the whole kit as though you were micing a guitar, or any other single instrument, and then slowly bring in the close mics where you need presence. Of course I dig crazy sounds, so it may not be everyone's taste...point is though, that it works well with 'over compression' too...for a certain sound. Over compress the OH and bring in the close mics for presence.
Fantastic tip
That room mic was oozing damn!!!
Awesome sauce! :D
Good tip with a good sound. One thing you didn't mention that is pretty important is to magnify the wave clip and make sure the phase alignment is true to the rest of the tracks, and also to drag the clip to compensate for the delay due to the mic being farther from the kit (unless you are going for that of course).
great video! ... basically just a creative use of parallel compression
congratulations on your 600k sub.
This is bomb.
@kierenalder I believe so, yes.
Out of curiosity... You said that the setting is long release, but on the LA 76 and subsequent copies, 1 is the slowest and 7 is the fastest. Wouldn't you actually have a slow attack of about 3/4 of a second and a fast release of about 60-70 milliseconds (based on the LA 76 1=1sec / 7=50 milliseconds feature). I'm not being a stickler, I believe your stuff is great, otherwise I wouldn't follow the series. I just figured that would be a helpful clarification for those of whom would be trying this on an alternate compressor.
Thanks!
hi graham.. loved these 5 minute mix tips!! will come in very useful so thank you so much!!
anyway my question is, whats the name of the compressor plug in your using for the room mic in this video? i know its based on an 1176 but not sure what your software version is? very interested to know!
thanks!
How do you handle a situation where the room mic track seems to be delayed in comparison with all of the other drum tracks? It sounds almost like a half-second slapback delay.
How about 366 tips in 366 days? ;)
I love these videos! Awesome stuff. :)
If you were composing drums from samples, would the room mic essentially be like a parallel reverb channel that you compress ?
I never really realized what a difference a room mic could make!
Interesting! Thanks! :-)
LMFAO 2:57!!! It is really f'n nasty i love messing with room sounds and mics. These videos are great man!
@develia Sounds like a plan!
hey Graham! Say i program MIDI drums and sample them with real natural sounds, EQ them to make them sound great. Or alternately if i didn't use any room mics, how about if I tried to create a "simulated room mic" track by applying reverb, and exporting only the reverb processed sound and no dry mix. Now playing that back with the original track, could that "wet reverb track" act the same as a room mic? It does give some spaciousness, but can it substitute room mics if done correctly?
Nice Videos!!! I don’t know if you remember that the attack and release times are fastest when fully clockwise on 1176.In this video your release time was very fast with a slower attack.Keep up the great work!!!!!!
Doesn't maxing the release time just cancel the effects of the compressor as it just removes the same amount of dB at every moment since the gain reduction doesn't have time to release?
You actually gave it a shorter release time.1176 attack and release work in the opposite direction.
I got one room mic,, and a side room mic for the drums... should I keep them mono???
Have you done videos for live band recordings?
what's the 1, 3 ,7 etc on the release knob? 100 ms? 1 ms? 700 ms?
@kierenalder This is a free compressor in Pro Tools by (the now defunked) Bomb Factory.
Do you think adding a long reverb kinda creates the same effect?
how does that work with phase though? @recordingrevolution
hey graham, when you use multiple room mics, where do you pan em? hard left and right?
@recordingrevolution ah ok then... so will it still come with PT9 if i was to buy it now??
parallel compression at it's coolest
Steven Slate actually recommended a FET Compressor (1176 in particular) on Room Mics, _but_ he said to use a Fast Release in order to give it, in his words, a more "bloomy" and "explosive" sound. And I'd have to agree that I think a Faster Release does tend towards a more energetic mix. Although, like he said, sometimes a Slower Release can give it a more tamed feeling, which he said, can also sound cool. And I think that's wht we're seeing here.
Looks like both methods do work.This sounds great too! I'm expanding into mixing bands as opposed to strictly Hip-Hop and EDM where there's often no Room or OH Mics involved. Thanks for the awesome tips as usual Graham.
By the way, check out the comment I left on the Mixing Overhead Mics video you did. You mentioned not knowing where the High Shelf was on a Neve 1073. Believe it or not...It's a variable shelf!
The tom that pops up in the right has a really beeoow sound to it. Is that a tuning issue? If an issue at all
Is not it's easier to make the auxilary track with reverb & compression and send overall drumkit on it?
actually, a lot of home studio producers do that even when recording real drums, because they don't have the luxury of a great sounding room. My advice is this: try panning the drums in the room realistically (more to the middle, or possibly mono), and also try to create a realistic frequency response (take the high shelf around 8k down a little, for a darker sound). Also, only keep the early reflections, and not the actual reverb on it (search for epicverb on google, great little free plugin).
what would you say about using a room mic in a room that really doesnt sound great
So I'm guessing after applying such a harsh compression on the Room mics there wouldn't necessarily be any need to parallel compress the entire kit later on?
was thinking exactly the same.
It's essentially the same thing. Doing both would sound like shit
What's a crud? =D
I would say no. Adding a reverb will not give you that extra attack or pumping effect. A good sounding room is always preferable IMO, especially on drums.If you don't have a room mic you could add a room type reverb with a clear ealy reflection (or a few) so you get that attack and compress that instead. Have fun :)
SO BONHAM
@recordingrevolution Whatever, got tutorials! ;)
"It's sooo Led Zeppelin". Yeah, "When the levee breaks" drums :D
haha. I pictured with a highband eq gain +18 Q10. eardrum lobotomy hari-kari
What would be the point? It'd just be a reverb at that point...
"It's soo Led Zeppelin" Yeah indeed! Haha! :D
@Ianuarius85 Haha. I might just kill myself if I did that.