Seriously NEXT LEVEL - Bambulab X1 Carbon (3D printer)
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:52 Zellerfeld Promo
01:53 Bambulab X1 Features
03:59 Inside Look
08:08 AMS - Multi-Material Station
09:45 Kickstarter
12:29 Why so cheap?
13:30 Problems & Cons
15:47 Verdict
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@@matneu27 Have one on me!
this device actually looks professional compared to 99% of the other printers at this price point
I agree, but it is still in the kickstarter phase, so one can't even buy one yet and who knows what the quality and price would actually be when it becomes available to buy.
Agreed, I have a Prusa but I always thought it looked like an extremely well executed hobby product. This looks like a professional machine.
This printer might be a real problem for companies like ultimaker.
(which next to this printer, looks like a overpriced craft solution)
@@michael.knight Prusa are open source reprap project machines so were always going to look like that its why people bought them in the first place? There are different markets and if Prusa wanted to now with its financial clout could produce the same but it would take it away from its reprap heritage.
What other printers (aside Prusa) are there at this price point? I can't name any :/
My God this is impressive. As a systems engineering….. I dream about shit like this and the years it takes to come up with, design, and troubleshoot systems like this. This is absolutely brilliant and I hope nothing but success for them!
There’s just no way that this hits the market with all of the specified features and quality for $1500. If that happens I will absolutely be amazed they must be running it like a nonprofit charity. Seriously if they absolutely conquer their goals and become a reliable source… This will be thrown prusa…. no doubt
I’m just stunned
Hear hear!
@@hullinstruments Just look at all the tech in a $1500 DJI drone. There is a way to make boat loads of profit on the X1 as shown. (though it may require more sales volume than Bambu Labs can get in the first years)
@@hullinstruments Excellent software, algorithm, design and manufacturing and supply chain design achieve this goal
Little correction, you don't invest on KS, you donate to the project. That's a key difference regarding liability.
you essentially preorder. legally most countries don't have donating in exchange of promise of a product as concept separate from buying. anyway you can pledge money to the project without anything in exchange or make a pledge in exchange for promise of getting the product. there is more than "oh well the money is gone" with kickstarter, but if a company is belly up the company is belly up, but it's not like a company can just say that they had a headache and not ship and keep the money and keep operating.
the kickstarters a formality... they've sent units to basically everyone on youtube now. those vids and this video are legally 'paid' promotion because the product was received from them, influencer marketing regulations wise.
@@lasskinn474 nope, it is not a preorder. preorder guarantee that you get the product on the delivery date or else they will need to refund. donation is the right word, you will or will not get what you donated to.
@@MegaMaking there is a vat/tax, a payment and a promise of spending the money to deliver a product. Its a preorder with a flexible delivery date, kickstarter never refers to anything as a donation instead you pledge to pay when the ks closes.
Besides for most countries what it is being referred to doesn't change consumer laws. When ks says on their rules that you're not preordering its qualified that you're not preordering an existing product.
The companies can also get sued for fraud by state. You can also sue a company for not delivering the promised reward that was promised in exhange for money.
Often there isn't any legal instance to sue for the money unless you can show that the creator just embezzled the money and didn't spend it on trying to deliver - it is extrmely easy however to spend the ks money legally as wages to yourself or such and that just leaves the isolated llc to sue and they'll be bankrupt, exactly same as if you preordered a product and they went bankrupt while holding your money from a normal website.
And yes people and companies have been sued for not delivering. You're under same risk when ordering basically anything though the company could go belly up before they deliver what you ordered.
You can also issue a chargeback but often the promised delivery dates are way after a chargeback period.
Like, look, if you could just sell stuff in exchange of a donation everyone would do that. University guilds and such often do that but it doesn't actually change running an underground bar into being legal. Much like calling a ponzi scheme a blessing circle where you make a donation doesn't make it legal because it was a 'donation' given in exchange of receiving donations.
So anyway, if you run a KS scam better to form some asian hard to investigate llc to do it so it's harder for anyone to sue you if you fail delivering after paying yourself most of the money as interest for a loan you signed for the company. Point is that legally they're on the hook to deliver the product or you can sue them, practicalities of suing an american company or a dude being a lot easier than some wish scammer.
@lass kinn I was going to argue that it is indeed a donation, but you two are both correct and just arguing over semantics (how you each personal view the word donation/pre-order to mean given context)... Personally i think donation is an acceptable description as there have been several KS campaigns that failed to deliver. No the companies were not sued or faced legal issues but even though they promised if you donate X money you get this, it's only under the stipulation that if they get the project working do you get it. Invest is probably the better term and yes pre-order is a term that could be used to (depending on how trustful you are on the campaign you are backing). In my mind, if you donate (give) money to a politicians campaign and they promise let's say student loan forgiveness if elected president, I wouldn't use the term "I pre-ordered student loan forgiveness" because honestly I don't trust politicians and anything they say. If you are more trustful of the campaign then yes as odd as it sounds pre-ordering student loan forgiveness does make sense. But the meaning behind donation/pre-order is based on how you view an organization (the more trustworthy the more pre-order seems correct and donation seems incorrect). But this is a pointless argument on semantics and different people view words and meanings differenttly.
@@ZenithWest169 ks has a working prototype stipulation so if the tech doesn't work is faked it becomes fraud already.. Its quite easy as a company to just dump the money and run though. Indiegogo doesn't have the already developed stipulation and laxer rules for the projects to explain where the money went(although ks can do little to force the companies explain the breakdown of where money went despite it being in the rules)
Ofc its best to approach it as a gamble of sorts.
Also for a non igg/ks example of possibility of not getting a refund even if explicitly promised the preorder cash wouldn't be touched by the company see the amico fiasco.
(This is for physical products, games and such have different rules on ks)
Edit: safest way to preorder is through a local retailer you think wont go bankrupt such as gamestop or whatever, although who knows about gamestop, who are on hook to refund you regardless if their supplier goes bankrupt
A team of master engineers designing an entire printer from the ground up is a beautiful thing
It's been 6 months, we have heard in several of your videos that you use this as your daily workhorse. Would you mind doing a 6 month review at this point? I think a lot of people would appreciate it!
Agreed! A 6 month later video would be great to see. It would be interesting to hear after the firmware updates they have done and if the carbon rods are wearing out prematurely? (Or any other part for that matter)
Had this machine for a month or 2 now and I love it. The quality even on ludicrous mode is unmatched.
"Nothing on this printer is half-assed..." That is the best phrase used for a 3D printer I think I have ever heard. Awesome review. I am seriously tempted to get in on this Kick-start campaign just to play with it. Maybe I could finally get into multi-material or multi-color printing. Carbon would be my choice with the MMS option.
Not a review.😉
Not a review, it's a $1200 paid advertisement. Make sure to call em up for the 100% off cnc kitchen discount. :)
Excellent highlights Stefan 👏
I also think this one will finally push the innovation level in our community!
And LOOOONG overdue!
If it was true..
@@joemulkerins5250 It's out. It does what it claims.
I backed this printer... let me state that first. However I don't feel it's fair to say Prusa doesn't innovate. Nearly every printer out is a clone of the Prusa, and they like Apple or android make small iterations and grow their business over time. That being said... the Bambi lab X1 carbon blew me away... all the features are just overwhelming... I'm so happy they are positioning themselves to be the next standard. In 10 years we will look and see many clones of this printer... because if manufacturers like Creality or Elegoo don't respond, they will be forgotten. Great video as always! I love your content.
i think for once, this printer will be hard to clone, especially since so much of the magic sauce is in the software
10 years ? Lol. Look what comes around in 2 years MAX.
@@hanspeter9636 you’re right… couple years max.
@@aronseptianto8142 The main reason is that the printer just isn't open source while Prusas are open source. Of course it is easyer to copy a machine if you are first of all aloud to and have all the plans and the software.
I personally wouldn't go for that printer, because I personally really value the open source approach of prusa. It did soooo much for the 3d printing community.
I totally understand that not everyone values open source as much as I do which is fine of course.
I have backed it, and today I just heard all of my reasoning behind my choice inside this video! Well done as usual, and I am so glad to have the very same feeling of you, even though I haven't had the opportunity to try it. Thanks again for another great video!
Guess this finally shows what you should get with Prusas price tag. Those machines are 10 years behind.
100% agree. Prusa has been riding their "reliability" and name for waaay too long.
Idk, they’re really really reliable lol. I think I hit 3000hours without a failed print on one of mine.
The only 2 issues I have is size of the print bed and lack of larger nozzles.
@@dammitcoetzee please tell me how. My extruder broke within 5 months
The MK3 was ahead of its game even 5 years ago. Old review videos are good proof. But yeah, China has begun to bring cutting edge tech down to a low-cost consumer level.
Literally been Googling for a more in depth look at how this thing works... And it's Stefan with the answer!! Thank you!!
Wow, this looks really impressive. I hope these guys go far!
Holy whit i would have guessed 4 times the price tag. This is mad! I really hope they pull this off and therefore raise the stakes within the 3d printer market
Very interesting to see a more detailed analysis of the inner makings of this machine, thank you for sharing with us. I really hope Bamboo Labs can manage the high demand and aftersales side of things and succeed with this great product they created
The "LIDAR" IS almost certainly a laser triangulation sensor. Low-cost LIDAR only has cm accuracy. Even high end LIDAR can't measure with tens of microns accuracy. It's the wrong tool for the job, whereas laser triangulation is the right tool.
They may need the triangulation lasers to do bed leveling. But the flow adjustment can for sure be done with a camera.
Kickstarted it, can't wait to start printing with it :) thanks for the great video !
I really like this. It is a nice change of pace for the printers at that pricing
Really happy to see innovation like this! 2022 is the year that 3D printing becomes smarter.
Thanks for going into some of the mechanical/electrical details, missed that from other reviews.
Having the piezo sensors in the bed instead of the nozzle makes a lot of sense!
Why? Surely that means a lot more sensors and more parts to go wrong?
@@matbroomfield timestamp 4:30 - "This is very smart because it keeps the printhead very stiff"
@@LittleMonk102 Ahhh, excellent - cheers Zeb!
Have been waiting for your review for weeks! Thank you
If this machine delivers what it promises that would be amazing, but i hope it is friendly to modding/upgrading/repairing without too many proprietary parts. I really like the auto calibration part and hope that such a unit might be availble for other printers too maybe even open source.
Much appreciate your feedback on this printer. I have backed this company with the X1 Carbon and AMS for July delivery. I really value your opinion and gives me that much more confidence in this machine. I hold heartily agree this is a serious wake up call to other companies. Thanks again Stefan.
Looks like a very well thought out well made machine. Love the camera and scan feature! Hope it is successful. AI and simple histogram detection is not the same.
"a very well thought out well made machine" almost too good in my opinion. if i had such a product described in the video already in production, it would be a peace of cake to find investors. dont you think so? :)
i was going to save up for a voron build, but this does change things a bit. lovely that it makes it so crazy easy.
Looks like an awesome machine. Nothing left to mod. Great for people with a lot of spare change.
I backed this and went for the X1 Carbon with AMS. I currently own the original Creality Ender 3. I heavily modified this as far as I can. While I get great prints, I know there is better. This unit from Bambu Labs looks like the next jump in 3D printing. It's already set for the higher temps required filaments, so i can skip upgrading my Ender.....thank God. I'm getting tired of tearing the Ender apart and trouble shooting to get it right. These guys appear to have that solved. Thank Stefon for the excellent video. You are a great credit to the 3D Printing community. I'm sure many have benefited from your knowledge.
I'm still using a Lulzbot TAZ 5. This might just be the printer I've been waiting for. I liked your review. Better than some of the others, and thanks for sparing me the unboxing.
I hope this pressures Prusa to update their LCD board.
A 20x4 character monocolor display is really oldschool.
Doctor Shane, Stefan for your wonderful video insights into this machine.
I think you covered all the bases here. Great video.
I keep telling myself I need to stop watching X1 videos since I can’t afford it right now, but it just looks so good! Great video!
Look at this blue Beauty in the background!
I have had my own projects funded on Kickstarter successfully and I backed this one. I feel pretty confident in it and I am looking forward to getting this bad boy up n running.
Hey Stefan, I just wanted to say I really appreciate your coverage on the machine. Especially closer looks at the electronics and how everything works. Im pretty bummed that the AMS has some spool limitations.
I definitely have a more positive outslook on the machine after seeing all of this, I'm not going to buy until it goes retail, i've been burned by lesser investments in the past, but these guys seem to have everything worked out. That being said, i certainly see it getting much more expensive with domestic stock that includes tariffs and shipping to the warehouse.
Love the innovations and it will help wake up the other 3D printer manufacturers to innovate. I have bought two kickstarter 3D printers and the amount of energy and time I had to put into them to get them flying right was not worth the money saved. I like the Bambulab features but I see a lot of plastic and wonder how the printer will hold up over time. All of my current printers are working very well. I will sit this generation out and wait for the "2.0" versions to arrive.
I think this is the printer I've been waiting for to upgrade from my modified Balco / Wanhao i3 Plus. Not as part of the Kiskstarter or even as a customer of an early production machine. Once they are more established / fine tuned, and I know more about spares availability, etc. Thanks for mentioning that the Fiberlogy spools don't fit in the AMS. That is a shame - I guess I'd have to respool my Fiberlogy filament.
Awesome detailed video as always. Thank you for your hard work, Stefan! 🤘
I’ll buy one as soon as it’s available to ship from their website. This printer will complement my Method-X perfectly (the Method-X’s heated chamber allows me to print large PC parts at 95% infill with perfect flatness and the DEX setup means that I don’t have to watch $170/kg support filament get pooped out the back end of the machine). What this machine will give me over the Method-X is speed, build size, and a not-terrible software experience. I expect this machine will perform all my printing outside of large solid pieces in warp prone materials. I’ll order an AMS if it can be modified to fit Prusa and 3DXTech spools.
Almost bought a Method-X Carbon before I decided on my Prusa. Thank God, I dodged that bullet lmao
Nothing matches a heated chamber for solid prints in warp prone materials. The Method-X gets a bad rep, but if you NEED large prints with 95% infill in warp prone materials then it’s the most cost-effective choice.
I see that 2.4... I just built mine and it is hard to not be envious of some of the X1 Carbon's features.
Excellent video! I believe 08:18 is incorrect. The Bambu Lab blog entry on the AMS explicitly mentions that there is a hygrometer (humidity sensor) in place, but I don't believe its raw output is available anywhere. When the desiccant is used up as detected by the humidity sensor the LCD will warn you to replace it.
6:47 I’m a space nerd, and can confirm that that model is not, in fact, a “spaceX griffin”
Saved the best for last! Excellent review. Every 3D printer manufacturer should be worried, starting with Prusa and their 8 bit boards. Everyone got complacent. If this doesn’t get you excited about 3D printing again I don’t know what can. The bar has been raised. Welcome BAMBU LABS! It can only get better from here!
The timing of this campaign can't have been very welcome in the Prusa camp, with the XL on pre-order. However, the XL has a larger bed and tool-changing, which might be more suitable for some people. It's also a proper pre-order and not a KS campaign, which will be a deal-breaker for a lot of people. Will be interesting to see how both the X1 and the XL fare in the next year or two.
@@stuartfisher4210 I have pre-ordered a PursaXL as well, and I am seriously considering to cancle that and wait for the X1 Carbon to hit the stores. I don't necessarily need the addtional size and with the shown capabilities it probably has the PrusaXL beat.
I really hope this is something that will make it to the mass market because I have for some year been looking for a multi material printer but I haven’t been interested in any of the current printers, but this one is extremely interesting for a make a space
As someone that has around 10 prusa printers Im honestly pretty tired of them, there is so much room for improvement and it seems like for the last few years they did nothing but rely on the MK3 success with nothing very exciting coming up.
While I do understand your feelings (fully!). I still very much hope that "the combined powerhouse PRUSA is now" will manage to fight back (& succeed)! *NO KILLER PLS*
@@reinholdu9909 I would LOVE to see all other manufacturers fight back. Prusa has sat on their reputation for way too long so they deserve to be sidelined. I'd like to see the real innovators knock Prusa and Creality into the dust as also rans. Make them have to earn their way back with innovative (Prusa) high quality (Creality) products.
If just one company hogged 90% market share for a few years, it would force fantastic innovation and price competition. Can't wait!
Couldnt agree more. The upcoming XL definitly looks comparable if not better in some regards, but in the end its almost 3x the price. Really wonder what this machine will do to their pricing structure.
The only reason Bambu exists and was able to bring this machine to market was because of Prusa and others and all of the community and open source projects out there that they have based their work off of. Prusa have spent years working on firmware, slicers and all of their designs and support, and at the end of the day opened it up for everyone to use and improve. Bambu is closed source and giving nothing back to all the work they have assimilated in their design. Dont get me wrong I think it is a good looking machine but it is coming from the complete opposite end of the spectrum to Prusa and others who gave back to the community they came from and respected.
@@thegarageluthier This. Bambu is the result of investors trying to take over the market from hobbyists. It's good that they're trying, because competition, but I hope Prusa or another open-source-friendly company can fight back and win.
The FDM 3D printing industry haven't been in motion for a long time now, little tiny new features added to multiple devices but never a real game changer. Hopefully, starting from the next year this loop will break, with the new printers on the market actually having something new, the Prusa XL, the Anker 3d printer and now this, hopefully we can see some new and actually useful innovations in FDM 3D printing industry.
Though I hope that the open-source spirit of the 3D printing community doesn't fade away with all these patented and mass produced devices, one of the most important things that's been pushing this community forward in my opinion is that our first priority now is actually working together for advancing this technology, not to just make some money and leave.
Thing is, most people are fine with just an Ender3. For most purposes, an ender3 really can just get the job done.
For any change to be put on the market, their gonna have to introduce all these features at the lowest price point they can.
3D printer owners arent exactly your average Macbook user, who are willing to spend $2k on a shitty i3 processor just cus "its easier".
People are gonna value the modularity and hackability of their printers.
This printer does so much stuff right honestly.
But a cooler engineering challenge would be to make the cheapest most barebones no-nonsense 3D printer, that has all these features done in the cheapest way possible.
Something like what Creality did with the Ender3.
Imagine these same engineers going gung ho creating the most simplistic 3D printer possible with the most readily made and compatible parts.
I still feel like 3D printers can become a hellavulot cheaper
Literally the only video I've seen talk about the nozzle. I wonder if it's to prevent people passing it up due to being proprietary. Thanks for pointing it out!
Backed it myself a few weeks ago after seeing how they're already able to deliver, and hope they are able to continue to do so with my and others backing! I have yet to purchase an FDM printer and only have a resin printer. Mostly I've been severely disappointed in setup times, unprofessional solutions, and overall print time of most of these extrusion printers. However, there are some applications where resin is not so great, namely having to deal with working around suction cupping on certain designs.
Very excited to see you were able to receive one for an overview!
Wow, i never heard of someone starting out with an SLA printer, usually everyone goes with FDM!
@@tinkerershaven SLA is really good for making miniatures and models, it's an invaluable tool for some other hobbies and professions.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Yeah, higher quality, didn't think about professional use cases.
@@tinkerershaven Especially someone with a resin printer stating that an FFF printer was too much hassle and prepare time. 🤯
@@MetalheadAndNerd Every technology has it's requirements and nuances, and it is a hassle until you familiarize yourself with the process AND gather all the tools you need for proper work.
Am I the only one who is more excited about the Voron 2.4 frame in the background than the X1 ?
@15.40
As he said, likely the best hobbyist printer you will ever own
im so hyped for this maschine. Finally a breakthrough in the fdm world.
I seriously want this. What a nice machine!
I am pretty sure they use the AT8236 motor drive because it's cheaper with the same printing result. These guys come from DJI with million of units made each years. Saving 10cents goes a long way!
the cutter idea is great
Thank God you came out with a review on this. I was looking forward to hearing your opinion on this one. TeachingTech also reviewed this to anyone watching
What was holding me back from buying this one was the question about the parts supply. I went with the Anycubic Kobra instead and even for this one, getting parts is a challenge!
I really like your description of their scanning system Stefan! I have been wanting to know more about it but it seems few have dug into it. Nice to see they have an AC bed. Is it running a relay, SSR, or something else to handle the PWM?
This is one of the more in depth reviews of the actual systems that make it work, thank you. I appreciate your talk about KickStarter as well.
This is what makes me interested in the X1. Fast CoreXY machines with resonance compensation are not new, but this level of sophistication at such a (relatively) low price-point definitely is. It already seems to be a very polished physical product and I look forward to seeing how they develop the firmware/software to improve the user experience.
@@stuartfisher4210 Could not agree more.
Very excited to see this new tec hitting 3d printers. So many things can be solved by people being able to make their own things in their own home.
I'm really excited to use this printer and hope it will be reliable and consistent. I love inventing stuff and printing prototypes, but currently I spend a lot of time fixing my printers or optimizing my profiles. Hopefully with the x1 I can do more printing and less fixing... I was lucky to get an early bird x1 carbon combo, hopefully bambu delivers :-) Thank you for this video, I was waiting for it 👍
Thanks for this awesome review. You're the best.
Just ordered the X1 carbon... Danke Stefan fuer Das hilfe!
I have this printer for testing and figured out how to print Nylon CF on this with good surface finish and the best Z layer bonding.
My formula is:
300c for eSun PA6-CF. Dry the filament really well first.
Heat bed to 110.
Disable the part fan in the default settings.
Start with their Nylon-CF profile. I cut acceleration and outside wall speed in half. I didn't compare to see if this was important, but it was still so fast I didn't want to try it both ways.
My layer height was 0.16.
Vent the top glass 1 inch for two reasons. One is to greatly reduce or eliminate the surface blobs (I would like to see a checkbox in the slicer to do a nozzle wipe on each layer).
Two is that if the chamber gets too hot, the filament that is designed to print at 265c will get soft and can slip in the extruder gears. I would like to see a feature to vent the enclosure by their exhaust fan at 40c or 50c to eliminate the need for this top-venting.
I've 'ordered' one and just hope it will survive the long shipment to Germany, people say will take up to 6 weeks, so better don't expect this awesomeness in July if it's going to be shipped by ship. IMO the first thing that other companies should offer is at least an optional enclosure. I just started with 3D-printing in October last year and the first things I was printing were parts for my DIY-case made with aluminium profiles and acrylic plate. It's not that I preferred it to a ready-made solution (could be offered way cheaper produced in bulks), but I couldn't find any for reasonable prices. My case does not only keep the dust outside and makes printing ASA like PLA, but there is also almost no smell even while printing ABS and it's considerably more quiet, energy-efficient with lower heat emissions. But this thing even makes printing without headed bed easy, or did you use a headed bed for PLA? Could you be so kind and measure the footprint of the case? Can't find any infos about it.
Best video about bambulab I seen, and I've seen a lot
Thanks! Appreciate it.
This will make 3 d printing even more mainstream, the LiDAR part is awesome, looks like excellent job, the time to start if it reduces failure will be great
Oh boy! I really hope that bambulab's market entry will be successful! If it is, this will become one of my favourite textbook examples of great innovation management!
They have it all!
Being a spin off from DJI, an unlikely competitor for the established companies, taking Prusa, Ultimaker etc. by surprise.
They offer a great customer value with their automated tuning process and hasslefree setup. They bring new tech to the table that the established firms don't have.
They enter the market via a low risk, high publicity campaign, securing funding and advertising at once.
And they apparently did their economics homework and planed their production scale ahead.
Please let them be succesful and give the 3D printer industry some fresh competition!
I would love to see this work!
Awesome breakdown of an awesome printer! Looks like this is the start of the next generation of FDM 3D printing. Let's see how long it'll take Prusa to pick parts of this to make it their own.
I went ahead and threw in a backing on their kickstarter. Hopefully it all comes out well!
Thanks for the additional coverage on this printer Stefan!
Got a pair of these on order, one with the AMS, and one without. Next month can't roll around fast enough.
Have a few CR-10 v3's right now which have been solid 24/7 machines for the past year but i'm looking forward increased output, multicolor, and the ability to do PC6-CF out of the box with these X1 Carbons. Having these on the way is making me question if I'm going to stick with my Prusia XL preorder or not. The extra build volume and multiple extruders might push me to keep it too
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I really appreciated that Stefan didn't spend most of the video covering the same info a bunch of other reviewers have already posted. I really appreciated his insights even though I was in for a Carbon with AMS three weeks ago based on number of videos out then.
Nice examination, you showed us all the hidden bit the other reviews missed (all the technical bits, like drivers). Makes a huge difference in confidence in the machine, although I would have liked to seen more interchangeable parts, maybe if bambu labs succeeds more 'clone' bits will be available.
Would love to back it but a fixed income doesn't allow for many mistakes I'm afraid, so I have my fingers crossed for all the backers who have helped this come to market, thanks for taking the risk.
Great review! On their US site you can make a deposit and once a unit is available and your number is up, you pay the rest of the cost and they ship it out. (at least thats whats stated on the site). Hope my number comes up soon and it gets shipped out. Looking forward to giving it a try.
I think that it will bring the core xy more into the forefront. It's there now but the ender clones may move further back as the price for making the xy printers gets lower.
Yes, I have backed it. I am anxiously awaiting a unit.
I was a Kickstarter backer of the Buccaneer, I learned my lesson.
Already backed. Excited for the machine. I wished they designed in a 270deg door. It looks so odd to have the door hanging open at 180deg.
I really appreciate that you directly tackled the comparison to Prusa and other similar market comps. I believe Prusa is a positive influence to the hobby however I’ve always been turned off by their price point compared to my perception of the build quality/materials. For only a slight price increase, Bambu by contrast offers what appears to be robust and well thought out construction & feature sets that provide some degree of future proofing in that I won’t be rushing out to buy the next mildly iterative product from another company.
I’ve backed the X1 Carbon + AMS on day one and look forward to hopefully seeing Bambu deliver on the hardware and software fronts. I also chose to back the Anker M5 and I’m very much so looking forward to seeing how these both influence the greater market hopefully for the betterment of all involved in the hobby, prosumer, and small/medium business worlds.
Bambu is building on what Prusa and others have done and overcome for a decade or more, Borrowing all the ideas from the 3D printing community building your slicing software and firmware of of the hard work of others and bringing a machine to market with millions in backing before even starting a Kickstarter campaign maybe gives them a bit of a head start, Will it disrupt the market, yes. Is another competitor good, yes. Do they deserve some credit for the work they have done yes, but it is always easier after the hard work has been done.
@@thegarageluthier The question is, why the other companies like Prusa or Creality or others that flood the market, still produce the same not-so-advanced products? They had headstart since they are in the industry way before, but still fail to advance.
Now this company made a proper product with the features that missing for years, and they did it with proper industrial engineering mindset!!!
Selling an overpriced 3D printer, like Prusa is not innovation in my eyes. If it would have been made out of metal parts, rigid frame, modularity or anything professional, then I would say okay. But as long as zip ties holding the linear rails while others cloned it for 1/5th the price in metal, I should say that it is overpriced.
As Stefan said (in reverse), there is always somethihg that is half-assed in other 3D printers, many times not just one thing, and many times it wouldn't even be more expensive to do it properly.
I like hobby community and all, but I am an open-minded person who always want to improve. I don't have a full workshop with everything, like probably most of us, but I always try to somehow create proper parts with the tools I have and improve my skills. Half-assed is not an option for me. I am not shitting myself when I see a CAN bus or an USB connector, or a LQFP chip on a printhead, everything is learnable.
@@moczikgabor you do realize that just about everything you take for granted in 3d printing has been accomplished because of the hard work of others like Prusa? Flexible steel build plates, powdered coated PEI, temperature compensated level sensors, sensorless homing, all the firmware improvements for ease of operation through stepped setup. Duet and klipper and marlin for PA, for resonance compensation for core xy firmware implementation, for all the different levelling and tramming options and so many other things it's hard to count. But back to Prusa they have produced incremental upgrades over the years along with different advancements and then the SL1 and Prusa mini as well as the new XL and print farm system and software. Not to mention customer service and company growth along with all they have given back to the community.
@@thegarageluthier I didn't said I do not realize those, I said that those are there for years now, and they do not really improve anymore, the industry is still selling more or less the same bed swingers for several years now.
And this product is a clear demonstration that there were a lot of things that can and should be improved. Why Prusa did not do it?
@@thegarageluthier I want to add that inventing something doesn't mean you are done for good.
You have to improve continuously otherwise others will do, and you'll be out of business sooner or later. It won't take away what you have been invented, but if you slow down, others will be ahead of you. Not only Prusa can innovate. While it did, several years ago, a whole lot of others did too, and still doing this day. While it can make up a great excuse that "But I was the first!", nobody cares outside of history articles, most users just want a better, more capable product in the present.
Just to mention an example, MirageC does way cooler developments, in bigger steps, while (I assume) he is on a lot smaller budget.
Cars are invented centuries ago, but you probably don't want to choose an early model for commuting to work, isn't it?
This is the best review yet
Excellent video! It baffles me as to why they didn’t utilize the infill area of each printed object for the purge tower, this would greatly reduce waste and nobody cares what the inside of their object is colored. If there is excess purge-to-infill, it can be programmed to utilize as much as possible to complete infill and *then* purge the excess remainder out the rear. By weight, it wasted more filament being purged out the rear of the printer than what was utilized for the Catan pieces.
I've heard that PrusaSlicer can do this, but you still might need a tower if there's not enough infill.
I dont need this
I definitely don't need an 8th printer
but man do I want it
Thank-you for the comprehensive review.
Fingers crossed, if they stick to their price (1500 with AMS) and manage to get to full production i will be buying 3 full units with AMS.
I've used similar integrated and USB-C connected toolboards with Klipper on my printer. The USB-C cable probably carries 24V and CAN bus. Definitly not something you want to connect to your phone.
Otherwise I really enjoyed the more in depth look on the printers internals. Exactly the level of detail I come here for.
Funnily enough I was quite hyped for it and backed it initially, but later on pulled my backing. I dont really have doubts about its qualities, but in the end I mostly want a machine to tinker with and this is not it. And I dont print enough parts otherwise to make this machine worth it.
I backed it. Hoping for the best but I'm pretty confident all their investment won't be for nothing. Don't have the time to build a voron 2.4 or seckit, rat-rig etc so the wait is on! Great vid thank you. Lots of things I'd like mod already like active heating, better lights etc
Just received my X1c and it is truly awesome. So fast that videos don't do it justice. It has worked very well out of box. This machine exudes quality and polish and I am very happy with it.
There have been a few small bugs:
Using polyterra pla the default profile under extrudes by a small amount (this is an easily tuned software parameter in Bambu Studio). This was how I fixed the somewhat common X1 problem of top layer gaps.
I have had a few errors where the Z axis failed to home and the printer thought the motors were overloaded. A recent firmware update appears to have fixed this.
And I've had a few instances where the ams has pushed filament off the side of the spool when retracting and then when it tries to push that filament into the printer the ams binds up and asks for you to come fix it. In fairness this is with cardboard spools (which they don't recommend with the AMS).
The included bed sticks WAY too well and gluestick is an absolute requirement, but you need to reapply very frequently. They sell a textured PEI bed on their site that I'm sure would address this, but you do need a bambulab bed because there is a special section of the bed that the X1 will clean it's nozzle against, so generic beds won't work.
These small problems aside, this machine is lightyears ahead of anything else on the market and if you have the money I highly recommend it.
Thx Stefan showing us what exactly under the hood!!! It save me the cost to back one for and even no wait until July this year. 👍🏻 Based on the chip, it really carry the DNA of the team of DJI engineers. We can easy found the exact same chip from DJI product likes ESC board in Mavic mini. With the experience on such familiar hardware as well as collection of mature technologies/idea/mods from 3D communities, I will say it is a piece of cake for those engineers who makes this dream desktop 3D machine. The successful factor which also the most difficult part in product manufacturing are about “cost control” then “how to market it the best way”. With solid background learned from DJI so far and relatively low cost in mainland China, I truly believe they are not that had to archive their goal tbh. Additionally, I found this machine has already been reviewed by all famous CZcamsr, with this strong support in Marketing pov, I can see this project will have a great success at the end.
From the feature list it looks like it sets the new standard in this price area. Which is really what we need. If it lives up to the expectations it could be a game changer.
We needed a relatively cheap and reliable core-xy printer that works right after unboxing it, no need to assemble anything or print parts with previous printers.
such an impressive machine! i would love to see a teardown if you were allowed to take it apart!
surely a lot of the ideas makes a lot of sense!
Great video. This looks cool. But a non-user replaceable nozzle is kind of a buzz kill. This seems so complicated that it's going to have problems and they did not build it with service in mind.
They built the nozzle and block as one unit but it's not too expensive. It's only 15 dollars. Hopefully they dont jack up the prices in the future so I plan on buying a few spares right now while the price is cheap.
The automated setup for a print is seriously something the prusa and Altimaker need to take note of. bambu didn't do anything revolutionary, but they are the closest to "it just works" that we have. Bambu is the printer for people that don't want to tinker. You get better possible outcomes with Prusa, but it REQUIRES tinkering.
I backed it. Was about to back the Anker but, thankfully, I decided its just a fancier version of my Prusa MK3S so I decided not to back Anker. I had trouble with selecting a pledge, I tried to get the early bird one as soon as the Kickstarter campaign started but I couldn't. I gave up and got the X1 carbon combo instead. I still ended up being backer 1,700+! That was in the first 10-20 minutes, I think.
Yeah, backed it. Can't wait!
Hadn't seen the filament cutter in the extruder assembly before. Had no intention of getting the AMS at retail before, but with the filament cutter I think it's well worth the additional cost. (but it needs more space for desiccant)
Currently planning to wait till the X1 is available at retail, but $1500 for a super-fast auto-calibrating printer than can change it's own filament is a steal. Only take 75 rolls of $20 filament to make the printer cheaper than the consumables.
I didnt find out about it until after the kickstarter but I put in my preorder. Excited to receive it. I think this company seems really competent which makes sense considering DJI is another highly competent consumer technology firm. Like you said, at this price point they probably need to sell tens of thousands of units to really be profitable. Hopefully the machine takes off.
Is there any indication of when a pre-order is likely to be fulflled?
I ordered a p1p knowing that'll be beat. It's exactly what I want. Just hoping the ams stays supported on future printers
1 year later and this printer changed the market for the better. We now have fast no hassle printers even at low- mid range prices.
Awesome Video, and as you say anything that kicks those established printer manufacturers in the behind to make them provide value for money instead of ripping people of in the supposed name of quality it will be a great thing, and again as you say i really hope it shakes up the market for the better of the end user.
Impressive design
Thanks for sharing :-)
First, I just wanted to point out a few issues they have said they will resolve, but still are pretty big annoyances.
1. Doesn't allow printing over the network with out internet access. Instead you can only use microsd. That's a problem
2. It doesn't not currently tune up each filament of a multi material print, which you might want it to do before the print
3. People have had issues saving filament settings for each of the 4 spools when using non rfid spools (bug not purposeful as best I can tell)
Now, to answer this videos call to action, and from a previous post asking the same question:
I dislike the proprietary stuff, I dislike the firmware lock down, I dislike the WiFi only, and I absolutely hate only allowing cloud not just local networking.
All that said, I think I might back it (as in I pledged for the all included model)
Why? it does nearly everything I've wanted out of a printer.
Auto flow compensation, input shaper, first level checking, high speed, all material hotend, direct drive, mmu etc.
No other printer has come close to checking all of those boxes and automating processes that are just annoyingly tedious (like input shaper or pressure advance).
These are all things I've been modifying my large bed slinger to be closer to forever. So far I managed speed through klipper, an accelerometer, hemera, copper volcano, and bigger nozzle (which means less accuracy) and a few other things but many of these require manual tweaking and need retuning every time I make a change from big filament changes to belt tightening.
I have been a 3d printer tinkerer for a long time to the point of stripping down a large bed singer, changing all the electronics, installing a hemera, skr2, klipper, volcano... the works.
I realized I don't actually enjoy feeling like I need to constantly upgrade. I just want the printer to be what I think it should be, and this checks most of those boxes while costing 1/4th the prusa xl, which would have been a stretch for me.
With this, I hope I can finally move away from 3d printing forcing itself to be a main hobby and having it be a tool I can choose to make a hobby whenever I want.
I would think about the prusa xl, but they are just way too late and way too expensive.
Worse yet, they don't have nearly the amount of auto calibration and for my purposes, are missing features like input shaper and they are similarly locked down in practicality while being open in theory so things like input shaper are just not possible unless they say so.
If I'd have to do so much work to get klipper working in it and setup an accelerometer etc etc... well, we are back to square one of me tinkering on my cheap big bed slinger.
I'm tired of that. I want to spend more of my limited time making cool projects not printer upgrades.
If it helps local Wifi sending instead of cloud sending is a future feature.
I couldn't have put it any better myself.
"I hope I can finally move away from 3d printing forcing itself to be a main hobby and having it be a tool I can choose to make a hobby whenever I want."
Yeah, that. 100% 👌
""I'm tired of that. I want to spend more of my limited time making cool projects not printer upgrades."
I agree.
I'll definitely keep an eye on this printer as a possible upgrade from my Prusa. The thing about the spools is a real bummer, though!
That voron 2.4 flexing in the background ❤️