Fast 3D printing is bad for Strength! (and how to fix it!)

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    Are fast 3D-printed parts weaker? This is a question that has been discussed more and more ever since the speed printing craze started. Let me show you that you can print TOO fast on Bambu Labs printers and how custom high-flow nozzles might be able to squeeze the last bit of performance out of these printers!
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  • @CNCKitchen
    @CNCKitchen  Pƙed rokem +56

    Have you ever noticed that you printed TOO FAST?
    Oh, and check out our CNC Kitchen products at cnckitchen.store/ or at our resellers www.cnckitchen.com/reseller

    • @tslee8236
      @tslee8236 Pƙed rokem

      You don't drive a car at its top speed! 😂

    • @MrDrake333
      @MrDrake333 Pƙed rokem +3

      Nice work, just a small thought, if the nozzle need a longer distance for the filament, then maybe the path of the filament in the nozzle could be changed to a circular downward path and end in the tip. A bit like the heat pipe in a water tank.

    • @Atenjo
      @Atenjo Pƙed rokem +2

      @Stefan,
      You asked for an idea for your test pieces - how about Archimedean chords as 100% infill and 0 perimeter? This should allow you to reach the speed more likely.
      General thoughts on flow rate:
      When I have many identical parts to print, I often take the effort to set the layers to a different temperature for increasing the flow rate even further. It would be nice if there were a function in the slicer for this - a temperature dependency on the flow rate, or, in reality, a temperature compensation, because our material does not reach our set temperature. Perhaps we have a deviation between the measured value in the hotend and the actual temperature in the material due to the high extrusion rate. If you follow this idea further, it should be possible to establish a relation between the heating element's power and the extruder's feed rate, taking into account the thermal conductivity to consider the resulting delay in temperature correction. Therefore, I do not believe that these settings can be adjusted via firmware, as temperature changes must be made in advance. Unfortunately, I am not a programmer, but I am really interested in whether this could be used to tune the flow rate of ANY 3D printer without making changes to the hardware.
      TĂŒdelĂŒ 👋

    • @MrMalaman
      @MrMalaman Pƙed rokem

      yes ! very poor layer adhésion issues specially with petg (X1C). days of tunning (slow down cooling and flow rate, increase temp).

    • @PhilippensTube
      @PhilippensTube Pƙed rokem +1

      Could you do a check on a Voron at high speed? Just to see if this is a generic fast printing issue or unique to the Bambu.

  • @gizmobowen
    @gizmobowen Pƙed rokem +251

    As always, another thorough and professionally produced video. Your content is always top tier.

  • @KimHarderFog
    @KimHarderFog Pƙed rokem +332

    Thank you for the anti-april-fools warning in the title

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  Pƙed rokem +51

      Just click-bait 😅

    • @genericpenguin
      @genericpenguin Pƙed rokem +19

      @@CNCKitchen The good kind. April Fool's day gets old quickly.

    • @Donorcyclist
      @Donorcyclist Pƙed rokem +11

      April fools day is one of the worst.

    •  Pƙed rokem +1

      How do I find out the volume/s?

    • @teitgenengineering
      @teitgenengineering Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

      ​@you can check the volume in the slicer

  • @Trevellian
    @Trevellian Pƙed rokem +15

    Bambu Labs said some months ago that they will be releasing their own *high-flow* nozzles. Hope they offer hardened nozzles for abrasive materials, as most current high flow nozzles aren't hardened.

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  Pƙed rokem +4

      Oh, I that's cool!

    • @ivyr336
      @ivyr336 Pƙed rokem +5

      They seem very "agile". Constantly improving and taking in community feedback.

  • @Wikcentral
    @Wikcentral Pƙed rokem +131

    As always, an educated, scientific, unbiased 3d printing informative video.

  • @DzzD
    @DzzD Pƙed rokem +14

    Great that you finally make a video on this topic ! Bambulab + CHT Nozzle is amazing, now need a bit more heater and cooling

    • @DzzD
      @DzzD Pƙed rokem

      @@gustavbondeus6767 I know, I tested both a monthe ago, clone and original (two monthes ago), and come to the same conslusions, I even get in touch with bondtech about this and they was pretty interrested by this sucject ;)

  • @davydatwood3158
    @davydatwood3158 Pƙed rokem +10

    When I first got the X1C I banged out a few parts at the default settings, and noted that the print quality was pretty good. Then I cut everything in half (from Bambu's defaults) and discovered this made the print quality *amazing*. As someone who's mostly printing ABS and then sanding and finishing it to look like not-3d-printed, running the X1C at 50% of nominal and 0.12mm layers still gets me parts in half the time the Ender-5 did, and those parts end up needing about a quarter of the sanding and finishing work that the Ender-5's production did.

    • @justinmurray8582
      @justinmurray8582 Pƙed rokem +1

      Hi there what size nozzle are you running on you X1C while printing ABS

    • @davydatwood3158
      @davydatwood3158 Pƙed rokem

      @@justinmurray8582 The standard 0.4mm. I'm usually printing at 0.12mm layers and trying to capture fairly small details on many things, so a larger nozzle isn't worth it most of the time. The exceptions don't come up often enough to bother with building up a hotend with a bigger nozzle.

  • @iskandartaib
    @iskandartaib Pƙed rokem +16

    To print stronger functional parts faster I use a tip from one of your earlier videos - print wider lines. For a LOT of my printing these days I'm using 0.8mm lines with a 0.4mm nozzle. With Cura 5, thin walls don't suffer, since the slicer will generate thinner lines when it needs to. You still need a higher flow hot end, of course, since printing wider lines at the same linear speeds means more plastic per unit time. Luckily my Artillery Sidewinder X2 has a Volcano hot end.

  • @Jynxx_13
    @Jynxx_13 Pƙed rokem +32

    I printed my Trident 350 parts with my X1 using ABS+ on generic ABS settings. I didn't notice any part strength concerns during assembly, but now I know to do PM checks more diligently. Thanks for the info Stefan

    • @coltenmeredith8899
      @coltenmeredith8899 Pƙed rokem +1

      It will be an upgrade for sure

    • @boonjabby
      @boonjabby Pƙed rokem

      Second this.
      Will definitely be checking also

    • @codys1108
      @codys1108 Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci

      I came for the Pink Floyd.

  • @timothysands5537
    @timothysands5537 Pƙed rokem +4

    Always happy to learn from your videos Stefan. I hope you and your work-family are doing well with the work life balance.

  • @magicgundam
    @magicgundam Pƙed rokem +3

    Yes! Been waiting for this... I've assumed the speed would compromise strength, so it's great to see it go through your usual battery of tests.

  • @iDoPew
    @iDoPew Pƙed rokem +10

    Awesome video.
    Made pretty much the same experiences with the aftmermarket hotend + CHT.
    Currently my go to hotend + nozzle combo for the x1c.
    Looking forward to a hardened version.

  • @gilbertmckown6161
    @gilbertmckown6161 Pƙed rokem +3

    Thank you for not doing the dumb shit on April fools like releasing a pointless waste of time video. This video is so great and informative!!!

  • @mrmccain9
    @mrmccain9 Pƙed rokem +12

    I’ve had a lot layer adhesion problems with Polymaker ASA with stock Bambulab ASA profiles. Ended up slowing things down and turning down part cooling to get acceptable strength. Definitely going to look into this mod! Thanks Stefan!

    • @anon-means-anon
      @anon-means-anon Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci +3

      I know this is 6 months old, but I have been turning the cooling fan completely off for polymaker ASA and layer adhesion has been great.

  • @leafydialupking1
    @leafydialupking1 Pƙed rokem +5

    So now we need super slicer to let us vary extrusion temperature based on volume flow rate with a comp value for heat up time just like with the fan. I’ve wanted this feature to lower the temp during bridges for a while.

  • @Liberty4Ever
    @Liberty4Ever Pƙed rokem +1

    I love your practical scientific 3D printer testing. This is very useful information, and you provide a great education on important subjects most people don't consider, allowing us to understand our 3D printers and the 3D printing process to gain optimal results. Thank you!

  • @Keith-um1pj
    @Keith-um1pj Pƙed rokem +7

    Still a newbie and a former machinist I thank you for insight into issues I've been experiencing with my X1 printer and it's settings. My Ender 3 S1 Pro with Sonic Pad tuned produces faster, good finished and parts of solid structural integrity of a phone holder, clip style. Using the same material, settings (temp/flow) X1 produced gummy weaker parts that failed under the stress of the design. Again being new (December 2022) I wasn't understanding the "why's" for such failures. I will be looking into your suggested mods and settings. Thanks for your insightful efforts.

  • @seashadow5239
    @seashadow5239 Pƙed rokem +4

    Great video! For what it is worth, my old Fortus 250 (industrial printer) runs ABS at 305C and has a meltzone nearly 40mm long. And that machine has extremely tight temperature controls and uses quality thermocouples for temperature monitoring.
    Because of that I have become way more comfortable with pushing Temps through the roof while printing.

  • @thenextlayer
    @thenextlayer Pƙed rokem +67

    Amazing video (as usual) Stefan. I'm glad that I can always depend on you doing proper experiments, because SOMEONE in the community needs to do it, and I don't think I have the stamina or work ethic to do this level of experimentation :) Keep up the good work.

  • @dgschrei
    @dgschrei Pƙed rokem +15

    Awesome video as always. What this actually makes me wonder, is whether the good old 2.8mm filament might be due for a bit of a comeback.
    Changing the diameter of the filament affects the feed rate by the inverse square of the proportional change in filament diameter. Meanwhile the distance from the hotend wall to the center of the filament only rises linearly (but so also does the surface area available for heat transfer). So the question basically becomes: Is plastic such a bad conductor of heat that fully melting a 2.8mm filament takes more than 2.56 times as long as 1.75mm filament.
    If that is not the case , the achievable flow rate for 2.8mm filament should be higher in a heating zone of the same length.
    Thinking about this further this is probably one of the reasons why for bigger extrusion systems the pellets are usually not melted by heating them externally but rather through the friction imparted by the feed screw. In a system like that the flow rate of material and the amount of energy transferred into the material should be largely coupled as long as you adjust the turn rate of the screw to always have the same pressure in the system.

  • @Pamesahne
    @Pamesahne Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci +1

    I have bought the hotend and nozzle linked in the description and was able to reliably get to around 38mm^3 before visible changes between layers. Incredible upgrade for my P1S!

  • @qingyuhu
    @qingyuhu Pƙed rokem +5

    AWESOME video!!! Upgraded to 0.6 nozzle and print quality went to the toilet! Thanks for the tip on the extrusion rate, will try it! Thank you! Really appreciate your work! Hope one day someone makes an after market hotend that can use standard V6 nozzles!

    • @SirSpence99
      @SirSpence99 Pƙed rokem +2

      You can replicate almost all of the benefits of a 0.6 nozzle by changing extrusion widths to 0.6 while using a 0.4 nozzle.
      You lose the ability to do layers that are 0.4mm+ but you gain being able to do 0.1 or less. You also get much better quality.
      In almost all cases, the 0.6 nozzle print speed increase is a result of the larger widths, not the higher maximum flow rate. It sounds like you might be pushing that. The cht style nozzle has a significantly higher boost to flow rate than going to a larger nozzle. Same for the volcano style setups.
      The trick is to print your outer layers at a smaller width and the inner layers much, much larger. I'm able to get away with half of my prints times are typically from the external perimeter, even with infill values of 50%. You almost can't see the layer lines. Only the seams are readily visible.

  • @NanashiRyuu
    @NanashiRyuu Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci +1

    I just got my first printer and was trying to think about what was causing the change in gloss between layers when I stumbled on your video before bed. You saved me at least an hour of parsing through unhelpful reddit threads.

  • @n0vaph0enix
    @n0vaph0enix Pƙed rokem +1

    Wonderfully detailed as usual! Great work Stephan.

  • @hen3drik
    @hen3drik Pƙed rokem +4

    Thank you for the scientific and especially concise context. Everyone should draw the necessary conclusions for themselves. Personally, I find 12mmÂł/s to be completely sufficient. Great video!

  • @MandicReally
    @MandicReally Pƙed rokem +22

    Excellent video Stefan. I really think Bambu has hung their hat a little too heavily on "Speed" and they need to tune in "Quality" presets. My own tuned profiles are significantly slower but more reliably produce better looking & stronger parts (anecdotally). My X-1 gets a lot of use with these profiles and I'm much happier for my needs.

    • @akirasposion
      @akirasposion Pƙed rokem +7

      Hi there.
      Can you share your updated profile settings for different material
      PLA,TPU,PETG ,etc? It would help a lot of us that are getting into 3d printing with this Machine.
      Thank you.

    • @Ongo-gablogian
      @Ongo-gablogian Pƙed rokem +2

      Are those profile published anywhere per chance?
      If not it would be really appreciated on the discord!

    • @cenciende9401
      @cenciende9401 Pƙed rokem +2

      The quality out of the box was better than any of the previous 5 printers I've owned and 3x as fast.

    • @akirasposion
      @akirasposion Pƙed rokem +1

      @Broski Snowski I know about Orca,but sometimes getting the profile from somebody who lives and breaths 3d printing is a better base to start from.

  • @tatatazemefoo
    @tatatazemefoo Pƙed rokem +2

    When I make parts for press fitting bushings , I use concentric infill to reduce accelerations and keep print speeds faster at 100 percent infill. Should help with your coupons too.

  • @mikecontreras5190
    @mikecontreras5190 Pƙed rokem +2

    Ah I have noticed this as well up to this point I have just been setting my print rate to 50% on the X1 for my "quality" prints but controlling the volumetric flow rate is way smarter. Thanks for the tips and the research!

  • @alejandroperez5368
    @alejandroperez5368 Pƙed rokem +1

    Finally. A video about something I realized a long time ago from many videos prasing klipper-enabled machines and their ridiculous speeds.
    But I still did not hear an explanation of how the increased part cooling fan speeds, that comes with the increase in print speed, affect layer strength...

  • @timowittenberg
    @timowittenberg Pƙed rokem +3

    I had the same problems with my X1C.
    Thanks for the solution.

  • @RideShagbark
    @RideShagbark Pƙed rokem +131

    It seems like Bambu Labs is constantly improving it's printers. Hope they see this and add this to a future revision.

    • @Nerlin
      @Nerlin Pƙed rokem +12

      I was thinking the same thing. They should change to a high flow nozzle as the default.

    • @tHaH4x0r
      @tHaH4x0r Pƙed rokem +38

      @@Nerlin They would be stupid to not develop and offer drop in replacement highflow units. Most people who have bambulab printers dont want to muck about with aftermarket stuff. Just being able to buy the solution directly would be very advantageous.

    • @andreaspoulsen8017
      @andreaspoulsen8017 Pƙed rokem +2

      I hope they do as default stock.

    • @Nerlin
      @Nerlin Pƙed rokem +5

      @@tHaH4x0r I agree. I have 2 X1Cs

    • @coltenmeredith8899
      @coltenmeredith8899 Pƙed rokem +2

      Build a VZ-Bot. The Bambu Labs X1C is a toy compared to it

  • @snample_
    @snample_ Pƙed rokem

    i swear i could listen to the line 'hi im stefan' on loop for like 10 hours, the way you say it is simply beutiful

  • @brucoder
    @brucoder Pƙed rokem

    As always, Stefan, thanks for an excellent deep dive!

  • @adamsutton9104
    @adamsutton9104 Pƙed rokem

    Thank you Stefan for another super informative video. The work you do is so valuable. I just bought the new Ankermake M5 and have experienced the same issues as addressed here. The Bambu may be my next and having this info makes the decision much easier.

  • @Blimm_EL
    @Blimm_EL Pƙed rokem +2

    Again and again, this is a really interesting subject ! Thank you for all the work

  • @noanyobiseniss7462
    @noanyobiseniss7462 Pƙed rokem +2

    After pushing my hbot to max extrusion rates my parts were coming out all matt and I really liked it but never knew they were weaker.
    thanks for the info!

  • @danielcoffaro6569
    @danielcoffaro6569 Pƙed rokem +2

    Thanks! I have noticed pretty bad layer adhesion and really appreciate the help in understanding the issue

  • @MikeM8891
    @MikeM8891 Pƙed rokem +1

    US mechanical engineer here, I really appreciate that the strengths were also given in ksi. 👍

  • @Allazander
    @Allazander Pƙed rokem +1

    Another nice video that's very informative. I've already ordered the replacement hotend so that I can use my existing V6 nozzles in my X1C if I want to but now I'm ordering a couple of those CHT nozzles made to match the Bambu Lab nozzle length.
    Yes, the replacement hotend/heatsink with removable/changeable nozzles is expensive to start with but when you consider it can used for many inexpensive nozzles rather than having to replace the comparatively costly Bambu Lab options every time your nozzle wears out, they end up much less expensive in the long run and offer more variation. That and they make changing nozzle sizes/types much faster, no more having to break down the whole carriage assembly and swap entire hotends just to change nozzle size. Bambu only offers stainless steel and hardened steel while V6 style nozzles come in brass, plated copper (my favorite) and various specialized nozzles like ruby, titanium or obsidian plus many other variations/combinations of tip style/metals. I'll never need most of those since I normally use plated copper or hardened steel when it's needed but I like having the option of using my collection of plated coppe/brass nozzles back, not to mention being able to use the V6 style hardened steel nozzles that I already own rather than having to buy Babmu hotend replacements. I'll keep ordering the Bambu Lab hotends for the hardened steel nozzles when I need them, the AliExpress aren't much cheaper and I trust the quality of the Bambu slightly more. AliExpress can be great but you never know what you might end up with (off center holes, poorly machined surfaces/threads, low quality materials, etc.).

  • @4techs
    @4techs Pƙed rokem +1

    Saustarkes Video! Beantwortet alle Fragen! Vielen Dank dafĂŒr!

  • @Mytagforhalo
    @Mytagforhalo Pƙed rokem

    Whelp, I was wondering how long it would take, but here we are. That's an instant purchase for me. Thanks for testing Stephan

  • @4techs
    @4techs Pƙed rokem

    Mega aufwĂ€ndig, mega schlĂŒssig, mega aufschlussreich! Vielen Dank fĂŒr dieses Video!

  • @se77ra57
    @se77ra57 Pƙed rokem +1

    ive been waiting for this video after seeing all the speed benchys, really interestign result and great production as always. might be worth trying out a thin "wall" like sample or a vase mode based one in an attempt to reach the higher speeds

  • @JohnyPatrick
    @JohnyPatrick Pƙed rokem +1

    Such an informative video. Thanks! This is a worthy upgrade for a printer that is possibly the most capable in the market at the moment so thank you for showing this.

  • @controlfreak1963
    @controlfreak1963 Pƙed 17 dny

    Polymaker high speed pla is a good option to handle the high speed issue. This was an excellent video that showed me where to focus on these issues on my Bambu.

  • @reasonablebeing5392
    @reasonablebeing5392 Pƙed rokem

    Great video as usual!! My existing printers are dialed in and working well. I decided to sit back and watch (and save up my money) as this next generation of printers like Bambu are perfected. Then I will jump in and enjoy the benefits.

  • @williammartin9751
    @williammartin9751 Pƙed rokem +10

    Really interesting flow tests! Great to see those aftermarket options performing so well. The standing tests are pretty useless though. Since they’re in batches, the layer time is many times higher and there’s lots of time to cool down. Printing 12 samples 200mm/s is going to end up extruding on plastic pretty much just as cold as 12 samples at 50mm/s

  • @KaliKavala
    @KaliKavala Pƙed rokem

    Great depth to this topic. I admire your work. Great video

  • @nicholaswillcox
    @nicholaswillcox Pƙed rokem

    Incredibly eye opening. Thank you for doing this.

  • @VojaFMX
    @VojaFMX Pƙed rokem +3

    Stefan, I always enjoy your videos and the dedication you put into making them. Here is an Idea for a video. Testing linear systems, for instance difference in drag between genuine Hiwin rails vs Aliexpress ones, difference between smooth rods and linear rails, difference between carbon fiber rods vs smooth ss rods vs linear rails. Also maybe how big of a difference does lubrication of choice affect smoothness of gliding. and in the end which solution is the best regarding weight to least amount of drag during sliding.

  • @MapleGlassPrinting
    @MapleGlassPrinting Pƙed rokem

    Awesome video Stefan! Sending love from Australia 🧡

  • @rauchfamily4
    @rauchfamily4 Pƙed rokem

    Excellent as always. I enjoy all of your content Stefan! Bravo!

  • @serkanbudur
    @serkanbudur Pƙed rokem

    Great video Stefan, thanks for addressing this!

  • @paintballercali
    @paintballercali Pƙed 5 měsĂ­ci +1

    It's awesome to see e3d makes bambu high flow nozzles now.

  • @avejst
    @avejst Pƙed rokem

    Wow, another impressive video.
    Thanks for sharing your experience with All of us 👍😃

  • @pantonediago2827
    @pantonediago2827 Pƙed rokem +15

    As someone who has been trying to decide between a Bambu X1 and a Prusa MK4 this has been really informative. My main concern is print quality, strength and dimensional accuracy so I am starting to lean towards the Prusa..

    • @Fluttex
      @Fluttex Pƙed rokem +2

      we seem to be having the same issue XD

    • @kylequinn1963
      @kylequinn1963 Pƙed rokem +19

      You could always just like, slow down the bambu a little bit. Even with it set to a slower speed it'll run circles around the prusa in terms of print times.

    • @BH4x0r
      @BH4x0r Pƙed rokem +6

      ​​@@kylequinn1963 and quality aswell most likely, plus no printed parts and the X1 has an enclosure, actually enabling you to print ABS and other harder materials out of the box if you needed to
      you may think you never need to, and still wonder why you're running a shitty open printer one day, and i Know that for a fact out of first hand experience

    • @mowcius
      @mowcius Pƙed rokem +10

      Consider whether you ever want to print engineering filaments (ABS/ASA/PC etc.). If you do, go for the X1 as the chamber makes a huge difference to the printability, quality, and strength of such filaments. You can always slow down the defaults too...
      The P1P is really the competitor to the MK4.

    • @JP-xd6fm
      @JP-xd6fm Pƙed rokem +1

      Bambu X1 is way better machine than prusa, just the build quality is way better. Amd you always can slow it down. Is like having a ferrari, you can drive it at legal speeds and you will have a better car than one guy with a fiat.

  • @ManjaroBlack
    @ManjaroBlack Pƙed rokem

    I've thought about posting about this. I'm glad you are sharing. Tuning to a flow rate is what I've always done, since my super racer is faster than most materials can handle. So what I do to utilize the speed is maximize the flow rate and then lower my layer height until I either hit my max speed or smallest layer height.

    • @travistucker7317
      @travistucker7317 Pƙed rokem

      How fast does that mean you end up printing?

    • @ManjaroBlack
      @ManjaroBlack Pƙed rokem +1

      @@travistucker7317 at most, I print quality parts at 400mm/s @60,000mm/ss.

    • @travistucker7317
      @travistucker7317 Pƙed rokem

      @@ManjaroBlack what layer height does that generally happen at?

  • @tinkerman1790
    @tinkerman1790 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

    Brilliant work 😎 Keep your great work đŸ‘đŸ»

  • @MrBaskins2010
    @MrBaskins2010 Pƙed rokem

    bambu should give the option to bulk purchase parts like costco. the key to printing fast is lower cooling and flow. high flow 0.8mm clones on all three of my machines. love that transition into the sponsor message.

  • @swimking1
    @swimking1 Pƙed rokem

    Fantastic video. I would like to see if the strength tests change if you print each coupon separately to see if there is a difference when the layers do not have time to fully cool down.

  • @diy_wizard
    @diy_wizard Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

    Wirklich sehr gutes und fundiertes, fast schon wissenschaftliches Video! Danke und Respekt!!

  • @DianosAbael
    @DianosAbael Pƙed rokem +1

    Congrats for all the job!

  • @TheTsunamijuan
    @TheTsunamijuan Pƙed rokem +1

    I have had a smoothieware delta for the last about 7 years. It has been my workhorse till it was damage in a earthquake. With the stupid amount of time I have put on this printer (wish i had a hour meter but just not possible at this point). It was the first printer I owned with the capabilities of going into the 200mm/s - 250mm/s range. I feel like your findings mirror what I learned over the years with that printer. If I wanted to print fast, part strength often suffered, and even details at times. I would often run it much slower than it could go, even more so when printing smaller plate volumes.
    You might also want to consider revisiting annealing the parts that you found previously weak. Not as big of a deal on PLA. But for ABS, and Nylons you can see noticeable differences. Its more noticeable on these materials if you run a high bed temp and chamber temperature. As you can experience annealing while printing, when doing multi hour prints in these materials.

  • @JoeyBlogs007
    @JoeyBlogs007 Pƙed rokem +1

    Very useful information. Thanks. I bet the manufacturer is taking notes.

  • @JohnOCFII
    @JohnOCFII Pƙed rokem

    The standard Tips & Tricks of successful FDM printing really seems to change once you cross that 100mm/sec threshold. Thanks for starting us on the proper education!

  • @RobertBarton86
    @RobertBarton86 Pƙed rokem

    This explains so much. I was wondering why some of my parts were coming out with inconsistent surface quality. I have been tweaking the max volumetric rate, with better results. But I still didn't understand why it was happening. I love any excuse to mod my printers, so I guess it's time to make some aliexpress purchases!

  • @jamUSA24
    @jamUSA24 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

    As always, an objective no nonsense fact based scientifically tested approach to solving a real problem. This is my go to channel when I need to research issues related to 3D printing.

  • @hegreengineering
    @hegreengineering Pƙed rokem

    I have waited so long for this video! :D, but will you do a test of the bambu/polymaker materials at stock speeds?

  • @degreeless_engineering
    @degreeless_engineering Pƙed rokem

    Great video! Back to square one!

  • @leochen4891
    @leochen4891 Pƙed 5 měsĂ­ci +1

    Thanks for the explanation and test.
    I confirm using the default bambu ASA setting results in poor layer adhesion.
    I was able to get acceptable results by setting the speed to 50% of the preset.
    I feel your suggestion of limiting the max flow rate is a simpler and more reliable way to achieve the same.

  • @DEtchells
    @DEtchells Pƙed rokem +1

    About avoiding crazy acceleration rates: all you care about here is relative performance, so you don’t have to be constrained to your standard coupon geometry.
    You could make layer-adhesion coupons with much larger diameters in the critical region, which would give proportionately lower accelerations, or conversely higher speeds for the same acceleration.
    To keep the forces in the range your universal test machine can handle, you could make the structures hollow. Either start large, using a different holders on the machine, or use the same clamping diameter, but expand larger and solid right above/below the clamps, then go hollow and neck down. (It’d be easier to explain if I could draw it here, but I think you’ll get the idea easily enough. When you start making the hollow part, widen the internal opening slowly (similar shape to the exterior of your current coupons) so it won’t need any internal supports.)
    There are obvious limits, so I’m not sure you’ll be able to go to a large enough diameter to make a difference (the total cross-sectional area of the neck in your current coupons doesn’t give you a lot to work with), but it should help some. - And given that your machine can handle tensile testing in the in-layer direction, it might be strong enough to handle a much larger cross-layer cross-section. (Again, for this test you only care about relative numbers, so don’t need to worry about comparability to your standard tests.)

  • @OldCurmudgeon3DP
    @OldCurmudgeon3DP Pƙed rokem +5

    I've seen the banding on PETG much more than PLA. If I go much hotter though stringing is an issue.

  • @Stoabie14
    @Stoabie14 Pƙed rokem

    A good way to avoid the acceleration issue in the test coupons would be to use perimeters for the primary fill of the part, as the concentric pathing will avoid the harder acceleration points based on the linear infill, and will be more consistent as it avoids the inevitable changes in extrusion speed required to keep consistent bead width when doing harsh direction changes.

  • @bionikleek9190
    @bionikleek9190 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci +1

    For the strength test on the fast speeds, you could increase the radius so that it has time to get up to speed. Then you could use your lathe to get the profile correct, while cutting out the acceleration/ deceleration zones

    • @TylrVncnt
      @TylrVncnt Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

      Increase the radius of what? Sorry if a dumb question

  • @TutorialBaker
    @TutorialBaker Pƙed rokem

    I've noticed this after printing 330 hours with my bambu x1c.
    Been printing with PETG a lot and when i switched to PC the performance were worse.
    I was trying to anneal the prints, with PETG , to compensate for that with SOME improvement but not enough.
    Test done with ERYONE PETG 255°C hot end, 200 mm/s (standard profile) 10% Fan MAX.
    So the parts printed with PETG at those settings are now much more brittle than 60 mm/s and tend to break like PLA.
    Instead of deforming and yielding like PETG printed on a ender3 at 60 mm/s (for example).
    I absolutely want to try the 3rd party hotend with the CHT "like" nozzle.
    THANK YOU STEFAN!

  • @ameliabuns4058
    @ameliabuns4058 Pƙed rokem +3

    Awesome video :). always get a bit annoyed when people only talk about how fast they can run their steppers! It's fun to do that but practically matters for me personally

    • @benjaminshields9421
      @benjaminshields9421 Pƙed rokem +1

      Take into account every possibility for practicality.
      Fast and light prints are amazing to test fit something you've designed before moving on to a full strength design

  • @matthewmathis62
    @matthewmathis62 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

    I wonder what that stabilization systems are like in the Bambu Labs printers, and other printers.
    I think that you could use centrifugal force to change the direction of the movement/inertia in the Printer Head to keep it from shaking.
    Kind of like how it's easier to move your hand quickly in circles or ovals without moving your body, than it is to move your hand quickly left to right.
    Great video, Stefan! I hope Bambu Labs listens and learns from your experiments and findings.

  • @weltenwanderer3767
    @weltenwanderer3767 Pƙed rokem

    Wow, that was really interessting! Thank you!

  • @astupidmoose4real
    @astupidmoose4real Pƙed rokem +4

    I've been slowing down print speeds on anything "decorative" to 50mm/s on only the external layers for my bambu x1c. While it definitely slows down prints (but still faster then most printers), it makes parts way nicer and eliminates any of the color changes.

  • @Londubh
    @Londubh Pƙed rokem

    You might be able to increase the diameter of your test piece (beyond the grip point, obviously) as a cylinder, rather than a convex rotation. That would allow for a larger percentage of each print being at the target speed.

  • @CrazexSteve
    @CrazexSteve Pƙed měsĂ­cem

    Thank you again my 3d printing brother! 🎉

  • @AlanBWarrick
    @AlanBWarrick Pƙed rokem

    excellent segue, didn't see it coming..

  • @Lucas_sGarage
    @Lucas_sGarage Pƙed rokem

    As always, nothing is just better, thx for the video dude

  • @ricfair7549
    @ricfair7549 Pƙed rokem +3

    For strength tests, I'd be interested to see what results you'd get if you used higher extrusion temperature for your high print speed tests! And then higher enclosed ambient temperature on top of that!

    • @Entropic0
      @Entropic0 Pƙed rokem +2

      Yeah I am pretty sure you can solve these kinds of issues with a higher wattage heater cartridge & turning the temperature up which decreases the time needed to melt the plastic. A copper heat-block also helps because it both increases your heat throughput and reduces the lag between the heating cartridge and the hot-end. I print at about 23 mm3/sec and don't have any issues with an e3d v6. It's like $20 in upgrades.

  • @lukasfuessel1935
    @lukasfuessel1935 Pƙed rokem

    For the adhesion test i you could do single or multi-walled cylinders and print in vase mode. Since you have a cylinder layer adhesion might still be the weakest link. might be worth a try. The bigger the circle the less the acceleration limit.

  • @Victor_2019
    @Victor_2019 Pƙed rokem

    Another great and scientific video. Thank you!

  • @Schnabulation
    @Schnabulation Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci +1

    Looking forward on you testing the genuine E3D obXidian nozzle


  • @Highspeedfutzi
    @Highspeedfutzi Pƙed rokem +2

    10:55 you could print long, flat samples and cut them up.

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  Pƙed rokem +1

      Yeah, I though about this recently. Maybe then just laser cut samples.

  • @oskarelmgren
    @oskarelmgren Pƙed rokem

    Really good data!

  • @justinharker
    @justinharker Pƙed rokem

    just printed a benche on my new x1 carbon. noticed the change in shininess right away but still it was crazy fast!

  • @zeugundso
    @zeugundso Pƙed rokem

    Would love to see you testing the actual temperature inside the tip of the brass nozzle instead of the heating block, maybe with a 0.5mm thermocouple

  • @geekazoid
    @geekazoid Pƙed rokem

    This is great work!

  • @muray82
    @muray82 Pƙed rokem +1

    I would love to see your final profiles

  • @grahamrobinson8534
    @grahamrobinson8534 Pƙed rokem

    Good stuff! Excited for the RatRig!

  • @DoubsGaming
    @DoubsGaming Pƙed rokem +2

    CNC Kitchen, can you do a vid on price to performance with filament?
    like what is the cheapest filament that still prints decently or what is the best filament for high accuracy. I'm still pretty new to 3D printing and there is a lot of brands out there and I have no idea what I should buy.

  • @ashers_workshop
    @ashers_workshop Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

    wow. another amazing informative video

  • @casualman9846
    @casualman9846 Pƙed rokem

    Very nice video as always! Keep it up! By the way, when will you review the Prusa MK4? Cheers!

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 Pƙed rokem

    I'd like to get a high speed nozzle, but my 3d printer uses m8 threads, which apparently is not standard... I can't even find a source that sells them other than resellers of the original OEM.
    This was a really great video explaining so many facets related to high speeds. Thank you.

  • @zondaghdutoit
    @zondaghdutoit Pƙed rokem

    wider nozzle sizes allow more material to lay on each other at a heated temperature for a longer time, making it stronger. They make the . This is why even with ultra high flow nozzles, the layers need time to cool down and not too fast, otherwise the part will collapse on itself. Have a look at the approach of filament innovations in the US. The make 2.5mm nozzles with very long heat blocks on they typhoon extruder and still produce very strong parts.

  • @Gengh13
    @Gengh13 Pƙed rokem

    You should make those test samples with the same surface area but an extreme aspect ratio, making one dimension long at the middle section will give the printer enough time to accelerate up to speed.