Hangover on the Binary Maniak - Can I Clean Sedona's Hardest Trail on a Hardtail?
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2022
- Double Black Diamond on a Hardtail - Can I clean it? This is Sedona's toughest trail, Hangover, and today I tackle it on my Binary Maniak Hardtail to see if I can clean every inch of this trail without dabbing. Huge props to my best friend and riding buddy, Cody, for filming this one and encouraging me to keep trying.
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I’m a pretty intermediate rider from Illinois and I can confidently say I’d probably be able to clean the entire parking lot of this trail.
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I had to dig deep for this one, it was right at the edge of my skill limit.. Those last two climbs were TOUGH. Huge shoutout to Cody for helping me film this one. It was a LONG, HOT day on the trail to film this.
A bit more about the bike: This is the production model of the Binary Maniak, and it's SO GOOD! It's a tad slack for these slow speed moves, but once it gets up to speed it comes alive. Being able to run a 200mm dropper is a game-changer for me. On this video I'm running the Atomik Carbon fusion fiber wheels with berd spokes. DREAM wheelset right here! Super light. You can see the rear wheel flex from time to time when I hop up onto stuff. It's really interesting to see on the followcam.
Hi Steve, are you running it 130mm or 120mm today? Helm fork?
Also, what tires?
@@tomhawk733 130mm helm, 29x2.3. eliminator t7 rear, butcher t9 front. Not my favorite combo, but it got the job done.
Even with the GoPro effect, this trail still looks intimidating. Watching someone of Steve's ability struggle through sections solidified that. Great job Steve on not giving up!
I love Steve PSAs. Thanks Steve! Raising awareness is important for us to have continued access to these amazing places.
BEST MTB CONTENT IN THE WHOLE OF THE INTERNET! Congratulations!
Thanks Fernando!
Thank you for keeping an eye out for wildlife! Also, thank you for the public service announcement. Nice job on the trail. Sedona is a place I wish I could have ridden. Fun looking trails and great looking scenery.
Finally getting my maniak built up and have been re watching these vids. They are so great. Can’t wait to get on the trail with the maniak. Thanks for designing it. No one else cares about 29+ anymore. But we do!
So fun to watch you clean this trail.
man, you guys are nuts, solid riding!
Great riding Steve and thank you CODY!!
Great stuff - enjoyed the perspective of seeing you riding. Cody swings a mean lens!
Steve, Codi that was some great riding 💪🏾💯 you guys crushed it out there 🤙🏾
Great documentation of your technical moves and the difficulty! The follow cam adds a lot!
Man ...you.and Cody are awesome. Jorts and all!! Mad skill.
Looks like a super tough trail. Impressive skills dude 👏
Well, that definitely qualifies as confirmation that you nailed the geo on the Maniak👍 I can’t wait for mine!
I would enjoy every second of that place. The experience of riding home in a life-flight out of such a beautiful place would be unforgettable.
What a great video!!! Literally on the edge on some periods of the trail 👀👀. The go pro on Cody was awesome seeing how hard it was to clean the trail even with the go pro effect. That one decent too 👀👀 great job fun to watch!!!
Love your videos. They are so instructional and well put together.
Thanks Daniel. I try to be as instructional as possible. Thanks for watching.
steve you’re still my hero! i didn’t think that last part of hangover could be done.
i was pretty proud of myself last time, because i cleaned up to the part where you said “this is my least favorite part of the trail” then i was in self congratulatory mode and walked the rest of the hard sections. 😂
note: i also hiked the last turn on the switchback up… i was just too tired
That last switchback at the climb to the saddle is tough cuz I'm usually sucking wind and out of energy. You're a great rider Leo. Those sections toward the end are really tough with quite a bit of exposure to the right. it's fun hearing from someone who has been on this trail before.
Really impressive Steve!
Just such an amazing video to watch. Terrifying, awe inspiring and motivating. It's this channel, and your work, Steve, that got me to buy a hardtail recently, some 15 years or so since I last had one (GT Zaskar LE) and I'm loving it.
Thanks! I'm glad to hear you're loving your hardtail.
Great riding! The wider angle shots really help put the trails into perspective. Great cinematography, Cody!
Cody is THE MAN for helping me film this one.
Good to see you sessioning those difficult moves. Its always the moves with a big drop off to the side that scare the heck out of me too! Haha! I've unfortunately fallen a few too many times in those places and being self-employed makes those moves a little more sketchy and higher consequence. These days I find myself yielding to how much "flow" I feel early on and letting that sense of things dictate whether or not I attempt the high consequence moves. Good on you for ripping it up!
When I saw the title of the video I immediately thought about that section at 10:20. Not an intimidating/high consequence move but definitely extremely difficult. Especially when you’re tired after already riding the bulk of that trail. Way to go Steve. Your skills are impressive as always. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Awesome riding! That trail is gnarly
Thanks, it's a spicy one for sure.
Awesome bike and awesome rider!🤘🏼
Greetz from Finland Steve and Cody! This is sooooo great when you film like we can see you riding! I understand that its not possible often, but please keep these coming=) Honestly love your channel, but watching your handlebar for 15-20mins and hearing how great the trail and bike is, its getting little hmmm..boring with time you know;) THANX for the best channel in the tube Steve!=)
My main purpose is to educate more than entertain, but I'll include more in of these as I can.
What an incredible trail and incredible riding by both of you! Hardtails on Hardtrails got me back onto a hardtail 🥳
🤙
Those tans walls are 😍. Great riding! Tremendous talent!
I'm a sucker for a good tanwall. Unfortunately my favorite tires aren't available in tanwall.
Impressive trail and riding!
Amazing to see you in the 3rd person view. Mad skills that we normally can't see. Congratulations!
Thanks Daniel. I wish I had a full-time cameraman, that'd be awesome.
So impressive!
Impressive riding. Impressive skills.
Looks and sounds like a dream bike. Hopefully some day.
That section which started at 11:00 looked so incredibly awkward. Tight corner with big boulders deflecting your wheel left and right and an exposure to eat you if you fall! I'd have give up on that for sure. Very very impressive riding both of you!
Nice. Love how you hung in there on the last attempt to bring the front end around, rather than bailing to save yourself despite having your wheel at the edge of a precipice. This is my favorite kind of riding (not the exposure, but the soft pedal and then attack and, if needed, session the tech). Not many folks left who will do the slow tech ride in the Strava era.
I assume Cody cleaned the whole thing, too - probably could do it on his klunker.
Nice Job! That is how tech is done in a HardTail. Cheers!
Thanks brother! I love tech like this.
Nice job Steve! That bike looks sick. I saw a Banshee Paradox in person on the trail last weekend -also a sick bike. I was on my Karate Monkey!
"...it looks mellow on Go Pro". 😅 LOL that trail looks mental scary on Go Pro to a flat land coward like me!
This made me cheer out loud when you cleaned the section starting at 11.00. 👏
That was impressive
Beast..mode!!
not going to lie, some of those sections scared the hell out of me watching you do them, great vid, great bike. Oh, did Cody dab, lol
Cody cleaned it too.
Great vid
Nice to see more of you and technique from 2nd rider view..
I'm super grateful for cody for filming this. It was a 3 hour day to film this. Lots of work and lots of time, but so worth it. I wish I had a cameraman to film every video, but it's simply not feasible right now. Maybe one day...
@@hardtailparty yeah well from my perspective riding mostly woods this seems science fiction..
wow that looked terrifying,you have some great bike skills
Thanks. It took a few rides on this trail to get it.
I highly recommend Steve’s bike consulting services. I watched all the videos, did my research and I though I knew what I wanted but that bike ended up not even being on my short list.
Great run on this trail! All that exposure made me nervous!
Thanks for supporting my work, I really appreciate it!
There is a PARTY in SEDONA! Wow. Rip snortin' affair. You aced it!
Impressive with a Capital I. #props
i love that you can unbiasedly (is that a word?) still find criticisms of your own bike.. but.. no bike is perfect for everything
I'm usually more critical of my own bikes and of bikes where I'm friends with the owner, because I don't want to bias the review.
those are some gnarly trails for a hardtail! im actually driving down to sedona to pick up a hardtail today!
Nice! What did you get?
@@hardtailparty I'm picking up an NS Metropolitan 2 dirt jumper in about 25 minutes. I can't believe how much hotter it is here than flag lol
Man this made me miss desert riding! It also took me a few minutes to realize the camera was switching back and forth between you and Cody...I thought something was wrong with my internet connection haha.
Come on out anytime!
You guys are excellent riders I know it’s a lot harder than it looks!! I was supposed to be going out to Sedona next month October but I’m not gonna make it!!
Dang! October is primo here.
This is amazing, really solid tech riding. For some reason I struggle clearing tech climbs on the full sus rig now that I moved on from the hardtail! Why do you prefer cable over hydraulic?
That’s a good looking Flamingo shirt😂
11:30 is the dark souls of bike trails
No frikkin' way in this lifetime for me. You guys are beasts. I'd be chicken without the exposure. Add exposure? No way.
Super well done! Gratitude for sharing such a video, with potentially insightful instructional content too.
I wonder what Tires were you using? (29" x 2.8?)
29x2.3
Great footage on this ride. I'd be happy to say I hiked it with no dabs!! 🤣
Have you ever considered teaching a riding skills class? I'll bet there'd be a demand for one, especially with the changes in frame geometry. 🙂
Unfortunately you need a permit to do that on the national forest, and my national forest will not be issuing any more permits. Ever. I'm working on an online skills coaching class.
I’m in for skills coaching!
Heya Steve great video as always - have you ever tried gearboxes like a Pinion C12 or a Rohloff, and what's your opinion on them?
Yes. Not a fan of the pinion. I liked it in theory, but when I tried it it had WAY too much drag
Great effort, that is one technical and chunky trail. Probably better on a hard tail to try and clean it.
I find the climbs easier on a 130mm FS, but it's not too bad on a hardtail either.
Impressive to say the least. Felt like I walked half the trail first time I came out there.
Thanks. I definitely didn't clean it my first ride, that's for sure.
damn good riding. hardtrails rule
The exposure is what gets me, as I can't balance on two feet! When did you do this?
The exposure/fear makes this one especially tricky. It's hard to see in the video, but there's a significant drop off on the right on that last move where I struggled so much. This was done a month ago.
@@hardtailparty Oh yes, I'm familiar with Sedona exposure and it's intimidating fo sho! I'm surprised you did this in the hot season, I have to go early and leave early, lol! Nice vlog, btw!🤙
@@johnwilliamson9453 Since this is my full-time job, I end up filming every week, hot, cold, rain, shine. :)
the camera man is one helluva rider too!!!
Yes, he's a fantastic rider.
Sorry if I missed it but what size tires and wheels are you running on this video. Thanks! Excited for my pre order!
29 x 2.3
Respect! Hard line. no gloves for cody? no crash, never?
Cody is a fantastic rider, but he's still human and he crashes and needs multiples attempts like the rest of us. :)
Really nice riding! Would you try that same trail with any other hardtail you have ridden?
Yes, I have a few vids of other hardtails I've ridden it on. I've ridden it on a Sherpa, paradox, and a middle child, but the Maniak was the easiest. For some reason I just click with this bike. It can be done on most modern trail hardtails with a long dropper.
Mellow my butt😂 some of that got me queazy. Please be safe 😅
I tell everyone I ride with, don’t avoid the hard lines. Climb them! We don’t have a lot of tech so I always try the hardest lines and I had to do them over and over and over and now I probably clean them 80-90% of the time. Never 100% no one’s perfect. Hahaha
Awesome job! I really need to come ride Sedona... I did a similar thing on the Fish Lake Lakeshore trail that has a wild rugged double-black stretch abotu two miles long that I'd never even heard of anyone cleaning. Took me a ton of attempts and pretty much a full exhausting day, but I finally cleaned every inch of it. One of the most satisfying rides I've ever done!
Come on down, we're ready for ya.
ur wild for no kneepads
Man this video had me sweating! Just curious what gear you're in doing these quick punchy climbs? 50/52t or the next one down?
Two down from that. I'm usually in gear 3.
@@hardtailparty Thanks! And thanks for all the great content. You make me want to ride my bike.
@@wesleecyphers5707 thanks, that's the best compliment I could receive.
I honestly kind of hate this trail. It's just scary and exposed. Don't know if I'll go back to it. Props to you, this trail takes serious skill.
It's not for everyone. Some days I love it and some days I hate it. She's a cruel mistress. More dangerous does not always mean more fun.
When is the next HardTail Party ride?
Just built up a Ragley Mmmbop and have been riding Sedona and Flagstaff. This thing eats!
I'll have to schedule something. Keep an eye on my Instagram page for meetups.
Thank you so much for the good info and the epic rides. I have been riding FS MTBS on AZ trails for the last 15yrs and your hardtail fetish made me want to give it a try. I have a $7k full suspension but now all I ride is the Mmmbop. It's so much more fun and playful. It also loves going down big stuff fast. It makes me look at all my trails in a new way.
Keep up the great work!
@@whiskeythrottle182 indeed, that MMMbop is a fun bike.
Before watching the video: no doubts.
Will update after watching the video.
Nicely done sir!
Thanks This was a tough one for me. Definitely some scary moments, and it pushed me to the edge of my skills.
Like you said in the video, that is how you get better. Inspires me to push myself a bit and make sure to clean my rides.
What are you geared at? I'm at a .7 with a 32/51. I wan't to go 30 but I feel so limited on the downhills then. 11sp shimano xt is what I'm running. Maybe I just need to hit leg day more.
Edit: sick riding man, those punchy climbs from a slow start I could only dream of doing.
32t. But I'm rarely on the road, so I don't use my 3 highest gears. I could run a 28t on an 8 speed and be ok.
😳This didnt look mello on gopro at all. Im loosing it at my desk. Soo this isnt worse than Highline ? I know its an oldie for you but, Wow Never seen anything this hard. 💯👍
This is more exposed and more difficult than hiline.
Nice job. That exposure on the right on hangover looked sketchy af!
The exposure is no joke on this trail. It definitely messes with your head.
Those are some mad skills. I can already tell most of what I was seeing would have turned me into a hiker 😆
It's a fantastic hike. I don't usually recommend this trail to visitors from out of town until I know their skill level.
@@hardtailparty a few of those spots look worse then bugs spring & prison camp.
@@buckroger6456 agreed. Milagrossa has one 10' section that I'm too chicken to hit on either a FS or a hardtail. I don't think I'll ever clean that section 100%, the risk isn't worth the reward.
@@hardtailparty it really isn't worth it, especially if your like me and tend to ride alone. I've been having a lot of fun on the blues and greens lately, but I know I'll be back to some black diamond trails just to test myself on.
@@buckroger6456 agreed, blues and greens can be just as fun as black diamonds without the risks.
What bash guard are you running? That's the production Maniak frame right? No ISCG 5 tabs, what adaptor do you run? Doing my Maniak build now!
check out my maniak build vid, I've got details there.
@@hardtailparty thanks. Finally found it.
For those interested it
was in a caption for about 4 seconds about 10 and a half minutes into the video titled "my dream hardtail first impressions" and it's an MRP BB to ISCG 5 adaptor.
Steve, just ordered the frame. What’s your preferred tire size. Thanks
I run 2.3 and 2.6 on my.personal ones, but I also have a 3.0 wheeelset I toss on from time to time
SO much low speed control!! 8:05
The edge along the trail on some portions looks like a big drop.
It is.
What is the weight of the frame of this bike?
You got balls of steel lol.
Steve, you got me lost with the word "clean." If you may please help me understand it, eh mate. Thanks in advance!
Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines! #RideOn #KeepBiking
To "clean" a trail means to ride every inch of it, without touching your foot down (dab) or walking any section. In my case, it required multiple attempts. If I put my foot down, or didn't ride a segment first try, I went back and re-attempted it until I rode every inch.
@@hardtailparty Copy that, Steve! Thanks a lot for responding!
Skills 😇😇
Thanks I had to dig deep to get this one. It was right at the edge of my skills limit.
@@hardtailparty totally in awe !!!
Both skills and the landscape.
When r u going to review the Dartmoor hornet? 😅
That's up to dartmoor. I've reached out to them many times.
How’s those enve bars compare to Stanton ti bars?
Lighter.
You exchanged the camera between you while riding?
we were both wearing cameras.
what made you go for the enve m6 handlebars over the M7?
The M6 is more compliant. I find most Enduro and dh products are stiffer than I like.
@@hardtailparty Ah, i was torn between the two but went with the M7 as Im on the heavier side of 90 kg and the 35 mm bar clamp makes it easier
I'd never try something that difficult, much less do that well on a HT.
Did we hear correctly that your running mechanical brakes??
Yes. I have a few videos on the topic. But before you judge, they're not just any mechanical brake. They're Paul Klampers which are nothing like other cable brakes.
2:06 I hate vandalism! 😠
My son and I were talking about the difference between trail grades and the consequence of mistakes. If you blow a berm on a green or a blue, you ride off into the forest. If you blow a turn on Hangover, you fall down a cliff. You're videos are chock full of big moves. You should take it easy sometimes. Ha.
I'd like you to compare the experimental ESD back to back with the Maniak.
I no longer have the ESD, I had to send it back to Kona, but those are the types of comparisons I cover over on Patreon.
Your friend rides BC Podsol?
yes
@@hardtailparty they r out of stock 4 like whole calendar year...
p.s u got skills
@@mladenkaranovic3469 yeah, they've been out of stock ever since the review dropped. Cody is actually riding the one I reviewed last year. Great bike!
I'm under no delusions when I see this video. The Camera doesn't turn it into a blue trail for me. This looks as hard as it actually is from your go pro view. I'll stick with blues and single blacks.
Can confirm this does not look mellow lol
*did you know you'll go to jail for rock graffiti??*
the Cave Men watching: 😰😰😰