Binary Maniak - First Ride On my Dream Hardtail That I Designed
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- čas přidán 10. 01. 2022
- For the past year I've been working with Binary Bicycles to develop my dream hardtail, the Binary Maniak. Today we take it out to Barrel Trail in St. George Utah. This was filmed 9 months ago and I had to keep a lid on it, but here it is. Enjoy. a month after filming this, indecided to measure the seat angle. it came out to 79* effective. that's 2* steeper than we had designed. somehow the prototype got an extra steep sta. So we have changed it back to 77* which should be perfect. We've made some other changes as well, but they're all for the better. Pre-orders are open 'till mid Feb. Reserve yours today. Stay tuned as I share more about the prototype including a first look vid later this week. Learn more about this bike and pre-order yours here: binarybicycles.com/product/ma...
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A few things.
1. I'm way too personally involved in this project to be 100% objective, but I'll try my best. I've put hundreds of hours into this bike (and so has Binary). It's been a dream come true to see it come to fruition. In full disclosure, when someone buys one of these bikes, i make a small amount of money as the designer. A sale of one of these bikes directly supports Hardtail Party and helps me make more of these videos and put food on the table for my family. This channel and my Patreon bike consultation service are my full time job and my only source of income. As much as I'd love to see this model take off and sell well, my main goal is have integrity in all that I do. I'm more interested in being straightforward and honest than hyping up a bike to sell as many as I can. You can be the judge, but hopefully by now you've been watching long enough to know my character. I would never intentionally lie about a product to sell more; whether i helped design it or not. I recognize that I'm too close to this project to be 100% objective, but I've done my best to explain how it rides. I've ridden a lot of bikes and this one is special.
2. This was filmed 9 months ago. The day after the klunker challenge. I've since put many more miles on it (and shaved the mustache.:)
3. This isn't a review. I'm far too close to the project to give an unbiased review., it's just my first ride impressions on my prototype. It's not perfect, but we got very close to my goals on the first version. There will be some changes made to the production version.
4. The seat angle felt steep because it was. I went back and measured it aftereards and it came out to a 79* esta. That's 2* steeper than what we were aiming for. We'll get that fixed for the production model.
5. This bike is really supple, just as i resigned it.
6. This frame doesn't quite have the tire clearance I want for 29x3.0 slid all the way forward. I hope to fix this for the production model, but that may mean an elevated chainstay on smaller sizes.
7. I designed this bike for me and my riding style and terrain. I realize that it can never be everything to everyone and it wasn't meant to be. I love hearing what people look for in a bike, but this was my chance at designing the bike I want to ride most. If it isn't your cup of tea, no problem, there is a plethora of great hardtails to choose from.
8. If this is your cup of tea, preorders for the first batch are open till Feb 11, 2022.
Are you planning on an aluminum version at all?
Steve, this comment means a ton. Those of us who have been here since the beginning of the channel know you're transparent about everything, but it's so nice to see someone put it all out there and be open with their audience/clients/customers...people. You're a stand up dude, and I'll continue to watch this whole thing grow.
Agreed 79 STA is way too steep and 3” tires slammed forward is something that sounds awesome. Keep dialing in your design and I look forward to the updates.
@@samanderson3937 not at the moment. Binary only makes Ti bikes for now.
I have comencal meta HT 2017 and i want to upgrade it on max whit better parts and paint i hope to do this to the end of the year. I found you now 02:50 per night and you present that what i want to do on trails like this whit my hardtail. I hope to the end of the year finish my bike, good video and dont stop to upload greetings from Bulgaria
I remember the 80's and my navy buddies who had mustache's, I couldn't grow one to save my life. Cool bike and cool project. I always learn something watching your videos. You and Jeff Lenosky are my favorite mtb channels.
Jeff is a stud and a good friend
Your passion for bikes really shows. Love the videos, Steve!!
Thanks Logan. I do love riding bikes.
Awesome rig! Look forward to seeing the final production version!
Congratulations on your first bike design! It looks good and I am sure the final product will be even better. If and when I can afford to build out my dream build, this sounds like a contender for the base to attach my dream parts to.
Great job not only for the bike but and about your passion to create something .... Bravo from Greece...
Weeeee this is exciting watching your journey with this bike. Must be so much fun being able to do this. Pretty impressive that it's only a few tweeks out first build/ prototype. Good luck with getting dialed 🤘
Hell, yes! Congrats on the 1st ride, that's awesome! Also, I'm now officially jealous of AZ weather.
This was filmed 9 months ago in Utah. But yes, the desert is the best place to ride in the winter. Not the best in the summer though...
@@hardtailparty I'm here yo disagree with you. I love summer riding out here in AZ. Summer is when I put in the big rides on the MTb and go for 100 mile rides.
Truly spectacular! You a building a brand the commands respect and integrity! Thank you for inspiring us!
Having put in a pre-order, I am particularly interested in how this developes... You have me on the edge of my seat, Steve!
congratz Steve. I can only imagine how you feel riding product of your design, when we feel so proud riding bikes with bits and pieces we added :D good luck with your bike developement and production and keep up with awesome channel.
Thanks so much Mario
Congrats man! Looking forward to seeing the updated production version. Looks like its going to be a sick bike
Thanks C. We won't see the production version for a few months, we're still finalizing the details. Count me in the group of people who are excited for that reveal video.
@@hardtailparty good things come to those who wait and all that. Congrats again
This was such a great video. Your bike looks outstanding the way the light reflects off of it 🤩🤩🤩🤩 the Hardtail party logo integrated right in the center 👌🏾 pretty cool and the components you put on it I smiled throughout the whole video couldn’t be happier for you to be finally riding your prototype on the trails. Love the positivity and encouragement great riding everyone 💪🏾 Looking forward to seeing more on the Binary Maniak💯
Thanks for the kind words Akiva
Super happy for you! What a cool bike! That trail looks pretty fun too. Gotta get up to Sedona soon, not far from Tucson.
I’m super excited to follow the development and watch my new hardtail take shape
It's a maniac! That was really fun trail. It's always the best when we get to work together.
Looking good so far!
awesome bike, just so cool to see this all happen!! it would be very cool to see this compared to a paradox, with the same components, as they have pretty similar geo! congrats on being able to do this all, keep it up!!
Yes Congrats! Bike has a wicked look to it, hoping to see more after your tweaking. 👍
Sweet stache! Bike looks good, wheelie was awesome!!
Congrats steve!!
Just started the video, frame looks beautiful
This bike looks so sharp man!!!!
Have been waiting for this!
Can’t wait to get mine in!
Thats so awesome! Wish I was able to ride HT still would totally consider getting one but bad knees forced me to sell last hardtail 2 years ago. Still love the channel and looking forward to each new vid 😉💪
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you're still able to get out and ride, even if it's not on a hardtail.
Awesome bike! I want one!
Love the Stache!
Cool looking bike, Steve.
Don't know what I'm more excited about. The moustache or the bike 😱🤘🏻
I am thrilled for you that although there are some little tweaks to be made, the frame as a whole rides just the way you wanted.
I'm really pleased with how it's turning out. It's been a fun project.
New bike days should always include new moustache day. Loving it!
Man this looks like the perfect bike for me, I've been looking at buying a trail hardtail sometime in 2022. I can't afford to build out the full bike sadly, I could just pre-order the frame and start getting parts every few months.
Congratulations, bike looks rad and you can slide the seat back vs all the way forward like all the other bikes.
Mustache power Steve! 💪🤙
Nice bike! 👌💯
nice! can’t wait to see this one.
Bike looks sweeeet, man!
9:01
"This thing is so composed."
**immediately goes off drop and has a squirrelly save**
Love it! Nice work! Those trails are legit.
The bike is very composed, just not in the air on a windy drop. If you watch closely, I take off from the middle of the lip and the wind blew my front end 2 feet to the right and I almost missed the landing. I had to make a quick correction to save it. No more drops after that.
@@hardtailparty Just busting your chops. I thought that part was funny. Love the bike! Looks awesome. Can't wait to see the final product. 👊🏼
@@hardtailparty I'm really glad you left that part in the video, shows character. I think my favorite video from Hardtail party is when you built up the carbon Chamaeleon. I still pull it up every now and then when I need a laugh!
I love climbing technical things as much as the next dyude but it has never even occurred to me to turn around and try riding up Waterfall.
It's a good challenge. I can't wait to go back and give it another effort. I think it's doable.
It's here!
Glad you got out on it. Seems like you are pretty close to having it dialed with the first prototype. Hopefully you can slacken the seat angle without making the chainstays longer and still have plenty of room for tire clearance.
It'll be no problem.
Congrats Steve! When you first described this bike Geo I know you like steep STA but I think hardtail’s by nature are better climbing than FS bikes and perhaps a steeper HTA is not needed. Your wife is a great Mtn biker, it’s awesome seeing you both on the video. I’m looking forward to seeing more video reviews on this bike and other hardtail’s , especially steel and Ti frames.
See the first comment here. I love 77* stas, but for some reason my prototype came with a 79* sta. That's far too steep. 77* is perfect for what i love.
Steve your mustache made you a full second faster. Also the bounce back from the climb was just the sheer power coming through the mustache. With great power comes great responsibility. Enjoy!
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Superb!
Keep the 65 degree head angle around a 120mm fork and the ability to carry a 2nd water bottle on the seat tube! Nice! Congrats on making the dream come true!
Thanks. I'll be close to that. Final geo will be announced soon.
I'm sure after enough time on it you'll be plenty objective. It sure looks great. Gorgeous frame. Wish i could afford those wheels😏
Nicely done coming down The Waterfall. That doesn't look bad on video but in person it is no joke.
Thanks. Everything looks easy on a GoPro. The Maniak handled it like a pro.
The mustache fits you surprisingly well.
Awesome!
Everyday fast trail shredder, has my eye for sure! After acting on a Spot Rocker this past summer, thanks to your review, I’m curious what you’d think of running 29x3 out back and 27.5x4 up front with a rigid fork during light Midwest snow seasons? Parting with my Honzo in search of a more versatile HT to split time with the Rocker. Love to jump and ride downhill but also a sucker for climbing - the Maniak seems like the ideal fit!
I really like the 10 minute videos
I try to make my videos long enough to provide the info I need without going too long. Sometimes that's 7 min, sometimes it's 40.
I hope it sells well.
You deserve it!
Thanks. We have strong preorders. That said, even if it doesn't sell extremely well, it's been an awesome journey and I've learned a lot more about bike design, prototyping, and what goes into taking a concept to reality. Plus I get to have the bike of my dreams.
I feel like the sales is just small part of what Steve would really like to see from this project. I'm sure if all goes well it could push other bike manufactures to adopt this style. In the end this is just another win for us the riders since we now have one more option to suit our needs out here.
You nailed it Buck. This bike is a statement to the industry. 29x3.0 ain't dead and shouldn't be, short travel hardtails with rowdy geo rock, and builders need to think about compliance. This bike is pushing the limits of what so many companies say can't (or shouldn't) be done
@@hardtailparty this is why I really feel like this bike could be a huge hit. Your not trying to build a bike to fit one niche, your trying to make one that can do many things well and not be limited by tire size. So many brands tend to forget that cycling is all about going outside and having fun, that's something I see in every video you do.
@@buckroger6456
Of course it’s not just about sales, cause that would be the wrong approach, but it’s always nice if your effort pays off at the end of the day.
Maybe we will get another bike if this sells well or something we’re not able to think about now.
It’s not completely about the money but about the opportunities.
Woah - that moustache?!!
I think there's a typo in the description, 27* effective sta sounds a little slack! Love the look of the Maniak and have been looking forward to the test ride
Great catch, fixed.
She's looking goooood! I'd like to hear your opinion between the Maniak, Solstice and the Sour. Great work and congratulations on making this project come true! I hope one day you can ship these to Argentina.
Binary ships worldwide. I've been working with my patrons to describe how different bikes compare to each other. I'd be happy to help you over there. patreon.com/hardtailparty
Looks great Steve! Thanks for sharing. My takeaway from the first 2 videos is that it is a real Swiss army knife in terms of possible wheel configurations, fork travel and usage options. You spoke a little about bar rise and front end height with 130mm/140mm fork options. I was wondering if/how headtube length then becomes a design factor in really dialling it in. Is it better for it to be a little shorter HT for swapping between 120/130/140mm forks with also swapping the bars as well?
A shorter head tube will result in a shorter stack. I want as tall a stack as possible on this frame.
Hardtail 💙
Awesome awesome awesomeness
We got a "So Good!" which is as genuine as it gets. 😁
Curious to see you ride that with the enve rigid fork with gears and without (singlespeed).
Love the (lack of) hub sound. Quiet rules.
That's a beautiful bike, ya gotta be stocked with that. I'm guess no options for international pre-orders? actually forget it,. I couldn't afford it anyway :( Looks like a cracking fun bike to rip around on. very jealous!
Binary ships internationally
this sounds great and I love to see your engagement in this project. I'm just wondering how it would behave on different frame sizes for other people's heights and weights. I'd love to have this frame nevertheless ;) Wish you all the best
We've scaled the tubing size and geometry to match rider height and weight.
Man, you've been sitting on this one for a while. Be curious to see how it ends up after the design tweaks and iterations. I love a tall stack. Can't bring myself to use less than 30mm rise bars on my FS (trying some PNW bars right now). Just feels better for most things. Did you decide to change the chainstay length by frame size or just try to keep it as short as possible?
chainstay lengths will grow with the reach, but they're still short compared to some other bikes.
@@hardtailparty That's good to hear as it would keep the feel of the bike consistent. It makes sense for them to change between sizes otherwise the bottom bracket gets proportionally closer to the rear wheel as frames get longer. 🤘
Deity Black Label bars with 38mm rise👍🏻
I'd love to see you review the sonder signal st and ti. 😘
I've reached out to them a few times but no luck
Brilliant work. If you change the name to the Binary Steep Steve il 100% buy one.
I'm in winter riding mode here in eastern PA, so I'm planning to put more time on my Chameleon 7 AL. So far, I really like it, but I don't have enough time on it to really say what I like or don't like about it. Plus, I'm not sure how much I'd ride on hardtail on really aggressive trails when I have a burly enduro bike, so a bike with a slacker HA than a Chameleon may be lost on me. Still... it'll be fun to watch your frame develop.
It's not for everyone. There are better bikes for PA.
"let's see if this mustache gives me climbing powers" --- in my experience facial hair goes a long way. Who knows how bad I'd be without it 😉🧙♂️
Great job man! You really deserved the smile under your moustache :{)
Thanks so much!
Dude we got to ride at some point!! I'm building a bike currently maybe some time this summer I'd love to meet you and rip!
I post my meetups on Instagram. Maybe we can connect sometime.
Beautiful! Work of art from a very talented artist! The swoopy lines look gorgeous! The raw titanium frame is simply drool-worthy!
One question: How is the standover, as is, on your prototype? That is, are you able to stand flat-footed over the top tube?
I can't flat foot on any production bike. With a 29er wheel and a 120-130mm fork, the front end has to be fairly tall. There's only so much you can do tomloeer that standover. Standover felt fine to me, but flat footing isn't a priority to me (and it usually isn't possible)
Man, I can’t wait to see when it’s done. You should be really proud of yourself! 💪🏼
What an awesome opportunity.
I’m a little bit jealous now. 😅🤙🏼
@@Marc28031984 it's been a really interesting process to see all that goes into taking a bike from concept to reality.
@@hardtailparty if flatfooting is so important to you, I can’t wait until you review the Canfield Yelli Screamy.
@@hardtailparty how tall are you/what’s your inseam? I’m 5’8”, trying to contextualize your bike’s sizing
Congratulations.
Waiting this vidéo
Well done Steve, love the bike👌can I ask why is it do easy to manual? I've got a Stif squatch with aggressive geometry and finding it an handful to manual but is truly awesome in everyway! Keep the excellent content coming dude👌
Short CS, tall stack make it easy to manual
party cheers steve ,will beef up the stack but cant do anything with the 430mm chainstay.
@@peterhaworth6859 the low bb of the squatch will make it touch too.
party yeah thought as much, thinking a little more muscle is required! I wish you could get your hands on one or a bird forge which is very similar to review.
There's a chance stif may send me one. Fingers crossed. You can still manual it though. Manuals are tricky no matter the bike.
Belt drive split in the final version? 😁 Looks sharp!
Nope. I was originally going to do that, but belt drives haven't proven reliable to me.
Nice job! Sizing wise is the one your riding more the M or ML size? What do you think made you want higher bars even thou the stack is high on the bike?
I'm riding a size M. It's still got a very tall stack, taller than 90% of the bikes out there. I think it's the long reach and slack head angle. Head angle came out a little slacker than intended, which lowers the front end (stack). I'm tempted to make the production model 1* steeper in the hta. This bike shreds on double black diamonds, but i want it to be slightly more balanced for blue trails.
@@hardtailparty So awesome you are able to do this. Will really make us have someone (you) that truly understands hardtail Geo by you being able to tweak things before production and learn even more!
I think that's a great idea to make it more balanced for blue trails on a 130mm fork.y understanding is the frame can handle anything from 120-150mm in which case those looking for a slacker black diamond eating Enduro hardtail can throw a 150 lyrik on and be happy
Hey Steve! Would you consider reviewing the Litespeed Pinhoti III or one of the Lynskey hard tails?
What about the Chumba Sendero?
Ive tried to get a sebdero. No luck yet. I'm game to review any modern hardtail.
At least it looks cool😉😎
On your dream build of your dream bike do you go with ENVE, Berd or 3ZERO MOTO?
Hey Steve, quick question. I know it’ll be a minute until these are built, but I want to collect a few items way in advance…just in case parts become even more scarce. I know it’s T47 but what’s the BB shell size on the prod version gonna be 73, 83, other…. What’s the max rotor size in the rear and what headset type/size …. Thx in advance. Can’t wait to see all the wheel and fork combinations you play with.
We're still ironing out the final details on the frame. Binary will have the most up to date info on that once we finalize every last detail.
I pre ordered an XL to replace my XL Carbon Stache. Also would love to know which parts I won't be able to swap over! Looking forward for more updates!
Probably should have put a high pivot idler on there for good measure. All the cool bikes have one.
I knew i was forgetting something!
@hardtail party, any plans for the aluminum version in the future?
Not at this time
You're starting to look like Ron Jeremy with that mustache. I think it's cool 😎
Lol.
Hi Steve! I am curious what's the biggest drawback of steep seat tube angles? (Other than wheelies haha) Is there a specific reason why bigger manufacturers aren't embracing other than the their designing and manufacturing processes?
To be honest I am biased towards steep STAs as my HC HT has a 78 degree STA and even on flat ground I don't feel it too steep. I think it puts me in a much more efficient pedalling position. I wasn't able to find any significant negatives to that aspect of geometry, but I am sure there is one as everything in bike design is a compromise.
Overall IMO short steep seat tubes are the way to go in the future on every bike and especially on hardtails. I feel 76,5-78 degrees is the sweet spot.
Is your 78* sta in a hardtail or fs?
@@hardtailparty hardtail
I thought they discontinued the Stache?
Nice bars, Steve.
The Stache is back! Funny enough, this was filmed the day after the klunker challenge. I've been sitting on this one for a while.
My apologies if I missed this. What is the approx largest 29er it will fit? Binary web says 27.5plus and 29plus. Love it if it was capable of 2.8s or bigger.
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See the first look vid. It's designed to fit a 29x3.0, but it doesn't fit all the way forward.
@@hardtailparty thanks Steve, I watched both I must have just missed it. Congrats on this, has to be exciting as hell.
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Steve - I’m built similarly to you: 5’6” with 28” inseam and torso of someone 5’10. I find that with such a steep down tube it’s difficult to clear the stand over of most medium hard tails unless they have hydro formed top tubes (bend sweep in the tube - similar to Tess’ bike). Is there no way of introducing a hydro formed top tube OR would this just escalate production cost? I think companies like Reilly Cycle Works are doing Titanium hydroformed tubes so the technology must be there. It would also add an aesthetic element to the frame. Any ideas?
I have never found a hardtail that i can flat foot on, regardless of seat tube angle.
@@hardtailparty - you should try my Momsen SL650b then…. More XC but I use it for everything
Looks like you now have a “control bike” the standard to which all other hardtails will be tested agaist
I'm going to try not to compare too many bikes to it because I'm so close to this one.
So the real question is will you sell all your other bikes that do multiple roles since you designed this bike to do all the things you want it to? Looks awesome!
Maybe if i get 4 of these frames so i can leave one set up SS, one 29+, another rigid and another for bikepacking.
SS's can be 29+ and rigid too. 😉
@@psychowillie7173 right , but i need a variety of bikes. SS 29+ rigid won't work as my only bike.
@@hardtailparty agreed...even in my flat and featureless terrain, I have 3 SS's in the stable; rigid, 130mm travel, and 150mm travel. Wouldn't mind adding a fourth but will probably wait for the "steel frame handcrafted in Arizona" version.
@@psychowillie7173 it'll probably end up being the same price as the ti one, and it's not guaranteed that we'll made a steel one. That's up to binary.
Nice bike I would love to have that frame. Im the same size as you But the price got me scared.
Check out the price of other ti hardtails.
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Hardtail party:. Yes
This got me excited.. Does it ship worldwide?
Yes
Fantastic.. This might be my 1st titanium hardtail frame..
Are you able to add a udh hanger?
It has sliding dropouts.l, which includes the derailleur hanger. I don't think it'd be ideal to add a removable hanger to the dropouts, but I'm open to being persuaded otherwise. I know sram will start releasing derailleirs that have a different design, but i worry that too many moving parts will just complicate the dropout. Are you more interested in the udh for replacement hangers, or because you anticipate a drivetrain that only works with it?
Do you have to reach a minimum # of pre-orders to get her built, or is this a go no matter how many step up to pre-order?
We've already hit the min. It's going to happen.
@@hardtailparty Congratulations. Will the final product have more straight tubes, or still this curvy look to it?
@@MMcG25 more straight tubes.
Hardtail Party,
What size frame is your maniac?
I’m your exact height and body build.
Looking for a trail riding and light bike packing frame to build up.
Med
@@hardtailparty
Thanks for the reply!
It looks like a reverse Ibis.
what brakes are you using?
See my first look vid, i go over all the components.
perhaps a 140 fork would make the seat angle feel better
See the first comment I pinned.
Mustaches are scientifically proven to make you faster - my ski instructor buddy