A Tank Enthusiast Reacts: Gates Of Hell Ostfront (Part 2)
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
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For the first time ever, I’ve had to split an episode of Tank Enthusiast Reacts into two parts! Truly my rambles have transcended beyond even my own abilities to contain them. And guess what, this still wasn’t everything!! Just wait until I can edit together my full hour long Sherman tangent.
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Hey all! Just wanted to leave a note on this video with some corrections that many have pointed out in the comments:
- The game footage for this video was recorded about a month or two ago, and is on an older version of the game. Specifically the Renault FT's tracks being frozen was a bug of that older version that has since been fixed.
- The Finnish T-50 in the game does have the addon armor represented. My mistake here was getting a little too carried away with rivet counting, literally. In photos I was comparing with they simply didn't look the same, and I also failed to notice if it actually looked like there was extra armor plating on the tank. To me it did not, and to be honest still doesn't, but I could be wrong on this.
- The 8.8cm Flak truck was not used for AA. Which I don't recall claiming in the video but it is an important distinction that I think is worth saying here. In the video, I talk about the 8.8cm gun generically, as to be honest I really didn't know much about the 8.8cm Flak Truck. I wanted to use this video as the opportunity to learn more about it, and the 8.8cm in general.
- Unfortunately I seemed to have committed a cardinal sin by using a T.E article for part of my research. So I would take everything I say on the 8.8cm with a large grain of salt. I was not aware that T.E was to be avoided like the plague lmao. (This also goes for my discussion of the Finnish Renault FT). In both these cases, the sources I used are in the description, so they can be checked by everyone.
- At 19:46 I talk about the 37mm Bofors guns acquired by Finland from Poland. Yes, I am aware that the Bofors is Swedish, I was specifically referencing the Polish license production of the guns. The Finnish plans were to purchase the guns from Poland. I could have worded that better.
- In reference to the Finnish Swastika. The game uses the roundel for censorship reasons because the company making the game is based in Germany, where there are obvious laws about that stuff. Of course I knew this, and mention in the video it was probably being done for censorship. The "The roundel is not accurate" thing was something I thought would be a funny running joke that I would keep mentioning it over and over.
As for its use in Finland, although most of Finland stopped using it after 1945, for the most part the main Finnish Air Force still does to this day.
- Yes I mistook a KV-1 1942 for a KV-1S. The turret looked rounded enough to me, and I didn't know if it was me or a modelling mistake. Thankfully I can still correct in the edit!
- Yes, I'm stupid for not using the editor or some other easier method of inspecting the tanks. I've simply never messed with the editor in any MoW game or GoH so wasn't confident, and didn't even know how to get to it. I always play conquest, so that's what I showed.
As always, I call myself an enthusiast, not an expert, because there is a lot I don't know. But criticism is the fuel of improvement so I thank everyone for their contributions to this video. I tend to say that I learn the most about a videos topic AFTER I release the video.
This comment will be a living thread and I'll edit it as more corrections come up. Thank you so much for watching!!
Scary amount of text :D
Random related thing, i measured the add on hull and turret armour of the finnish T-50 as being 25mm's thick on last autumns visit
Just wanted to let you know, If you really wanted the accurate markings for the finnish tanks, there's a mod that adds it called uncensored finland.
Im not hear to read a book amaunt of Words funny tank man
suomi on kaunis maa
"Insert obligatory GuP reference, because let's be honest, that is the only reason we ever even knew about the BT-42" this is the reason why I hate GuP and GuP fans
Hi, I am unsure why the tracks do not move for the FT-17. Since I tested those not long ago, they were fine. 18:15
Edit: The video seems to have been recorded at the 1.039 version, the tracks were broken then. But they have fixed since the 1.039 hotfix the current version is 1.041.
21:15 Swastikas on Finnish tanks are replaced by a roundel because the publishing company for GOH (digitalmindsoft) is based in Germany, and because of German laws surrounding the display of symbols associated with the Nazi party when barbedwire studios (the devs of CTA:GOH) signed the publishing deal for the game they made a deal with digitalmindsoft to omit all Nazi symbolism from the game.
One of the devs from barbedwire talk more about the topic in this video at 20:15 - czcams.com/video/V7qQUHKw9vY/video.html
Anyways, awesome vid as always! GOH is one of my favorite games by far and its awesome to see you covering it. Look forward to seeing more in the future :)
do they ban religious swastikas too?
@@TheredsunrisingEvidently, yes
Finland actually used the Swastika before Germany, i think finland adopted it in 1932 and germany adopted it in 1936.
@@MiikaVornanen They did yeah, they actually adopted it in 1918 as the national marking of the Finnish defense force whereas the Nazi party officially adopted the swastika in 1920
It has nothing to do with our laws, swastikas have been allowed in video games in Germany since 2018.
The video you linked has no mention of any laws, the interviewee states that its an entirely internal agreement between the developer and publisher and they choose to respect that agreement.
(If my older comment happens to appear which says the same thing, CZcams is being weird, I think it just deleted my first comment and I dont know why)
The Vickers 6-ton is super cool. I loved the role it played in the Chinese civil war, and how almost every nation who imported it modified it. It's truly the Sherman of the interwar period.
Finland was on something when they made the BT-42
Math but with an *E* . No question. Germany supplied them with that so they can fight longer
Supply shortages are a hell of a drug
Shoulda modified a T-34
Pervatin
Finn here.
The Finnish military adopted the use of the swastika as insignia before Germany did. The Finnish swastika was first adopted by the Finnish Air Force in 1918 and then soon after by the Finnish Defense Forces as well. In other words, it predates German use and is not affiliated with it.
The symbol used to mean the sun as well as good luck and was without much political connection. For instance, early aviators often used the swastika as a good luck symbol
This was a fun video and I enjoyed watching. Good work!
It does has a connection to Germany, although it only comes up after it is adopted. It was the insignia of a swedish nobleman that donated some of the first planes to the finnish airforce, with said nobleman later becoming a supported of the swedish nazi party and of Hitler.
If i had a cent for every gates of hell video mady by eta320, i'd have 2 cents, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that the video was split in 2 parts
If I remember correctly the 4,5 inch gun for the BT-42 did have a HEAT shell for antitank purposes but it performed poorly due to many desing flaws.
The HEAT shell desing was reverse engineered from a german HEAT shell and then scaled up to fit the correct caliber. They didn't get the rotationally activated fusing on the HEAT quite correct so it would often not fuse at all.
Quite sad that our only attempt at making a somewhat domestic tank didn't end so well.
-A fan from Finland.
22:28 - Finnish T-50 does HAVE extra armor, its called in-game T-50E (E standing for the added on armor).
25mm thick add on plates on hull and turret, measured myself with a ruler(autism moment)
The German 88mm originally was designed for AA, but EVEN FURTHER you can trace its origins back to the naval SK L/45, and its predecessor the L/35. A common misconception is that it takes its design from Krupp's 7.7cm FlugabwehrKanone, which is where we get the abbreviation FlaK, thus flak guns, flak vests, etc. Like how LASER is an acronym, but now it just means the thing, and the acronym just makes you sound like a nerd at parties. Except if you know where the term Flak comes from, chances are you don't get invited to parties. I digress, basically, the original FlaK 16, Germany's first 88mm, was not a scaled up 7.7cm L/27, but instead a gun meant to be used on and against light vessels. German dreadnoughts were armed with it to deter torpedo boats and destroyers, and it was one of the larger guns to be fitted on prewar and WWI destroyers, notably seen on the Deutscheland class pre-dreadnought battleships, and the S-138 torpedo boats. So, there were AP rounds for 88mm guns as early as 1900 or so, but the land-based FlaK 16s did not have these during the Spanish Civil War because it was assumed they'd not be firing at many boats on land.
on the Finnish tanks in game the roundel was used for censorship reasons as far as I am aware. there is however a mod on/in the Steam workshop to uncensor the roundel. edit: and somebody already made a more detailed comment ( @CaptSeabass ) before me by 2-3 minutes :/
i can proudly say i havent seen a single minute of girls and panzers and still knew the that the bt42 existed. shout out to warthunder at this point. getting completly demolished by that stupid howitzer was allways damn annoying
1:10 IIRC the mechanic is just that you need to get a single person into the vehicle or manning the emplacement to make it captured but good on you for taking the time to actually repair them all before ending the battle, that'll really help with the cost for them... Also, it's good to take everything not nailed down, it's fun to do and given the amount of gear the Germans and Soviets took there's Historical basis for it.
Really sad to see eta pass, rip brotha🙏🕊️
Regarding the finnish use of swastika insignia (specifically with short "hooks") for their tanks, that only started during the continuation war and stopped in 1945 after the lapland war by the reguest of the allies. There was no official tank insignia yet during the Winter war, but the white-blue-white stripe around the turret was sometimes used to distinguish friendlies.
Also afaik the "Panssari Ps. 161" wasn't the official name for the Vickers by the Finnish, it was simply their register number: Ps. meaning Armor, 161 being the type's number followed by a dash and the tank's number. This system is still in use, for example the Finnish Leopard 2A6's armour register numbers are Ps. 274-***. The Vickers was just called the Vickers 6-ton or the T-26E (E for Englantilainen/English) if upgraded with a captured 45mm gun after the Winter war, which the tank shown in the video would seem to be.
9:51 An 88 against a T-26!!! Might as well be coughing baby VS Nuclear bomb.
i really enjoy seeing you talk about finnish tanks, probably because of my biased finnish blood.
if you ever happen to be anywhere near it, i definitely recommend visiting the Parola tank museum. its not a large museum compared to other tank museums around the world, and the collection is mostly soviet-era tanks, but it has some cool pieces like the Landsverk L-62 Anti II and the famous BT-42.
I knew that BT-42 in GUP because of War Thunder🗿
The devs of this game are some of the most passionate I have ever seen. I'm sure they will see this video and some of these minor modelling issues will be corrected going forwards as they are very dedicated to the overall historical presentation of the game. (Aside from some things which have legal obligations - e.g. Swastikas)
Really love anytime Finnish tanks are talked about. They have such rich history to all of them. And the BT-42 is a beautiful meme that I love in Girls und Panzer.
small correction/interesting fact involving the valentine. The british army never actually stopped using the valentine. while they all but ceased service in the regular armoured formations like royal armoured corps by the time of the invasion of normandy, the royal artillery still used valentine XIs as command tanks in SP anti-tank batteries and i belive as regimental/battalion command tanks too
finally! the tank wizard is back!
I didn know that the finns managed to capture 2 JSU-152s, imagine jouko with one of those. Truly scary, like giving simo hayha a 50 cal
There was a video released a while ago on Twitter of some Japanese making either a replica or something of a L33, and driving it around.
> Takes a shot every time he says "once again the roundel is incorrect"
> dies
I would like to point out that it was a common practice among the Germans to refit their prior variant tanks to the "current" variant's specifications, so it might be that they based the model for the Panzer IV ausf. D on a D chassis that had been refit to the F specifications. So occasionally you'll have old variant chassis with a new variant turret.
The good video. Really like it. Well done, Eta
21:30 Tecnically yes, but actually no.
Main Command of Finnish Air Force did change it 1945, in during Lapland war to help identification of own and soviet pilots.
and then later Air Force Staff stop using swastika symbol as insignia in 2002.
Finnish Air Force and Part of Defence force keeps using it.
Utti Jaeger Regiment (helicopter operations, special forces) has it in their flag and cross of merit
Meanwhile regional flags of Finnish Air Force with especially Academy still using swastika.
Mainly honoring count rosen who gifted Finland its 1st plane.
as Kai Meclin Finnish Air Force museum curator put it:
''If we now deny the use, or stop using the swastika, we could give a signal abroad that actually it was a Nazi symbol in Finland - which it never was.
We are still proud of it and using it.
It's also symbol of Finnish stubbornness that we don't give up our Right or our own history, if there is not any reason to be ashamed of it.''
The APHE round for the 88mm was developed for Maginot Line bunkers if I recall correctly.
We want the 3.5 hour video. Much like the over 4 hours cut of Revenge of the sith WE'RE MISSING IMPORTANT LORE
Huh, it's cool that the Pz.IVs in my Sprocket replica project are more accurate than a game with as much quality historicity as GoH ;)
9:34 on that note. Use HE early on in the game if you want to capture vehicles. It works very well up to early T-34s. Even with 50mm guns can hull destroy a tank.
Those tanks which had Vickers 5.ton base and T-26 turret, was later designated as T-26 E (meaning English).
and Soviets T-26 based on Vickers 5.ton tank
BT-42 design worked reasonably well against soft targets but was completely unsuitable for anti-tank warfare.
The problems arose with the copied HEAT shells fuses, which apparently did not arm themselves correctly after firing, due to the different muzzle velocity and round spin rate of the 4.5-inch howitzer compared to the original German guns.
Test firing suggested that it should have been able to penetrate 110 - 115 mm steel plate in 70 degree angle, but due to the poor quality armour plates used in tests, this gave a false picture.
which in Battle of Viipuri, 20th of June 1944
Tammisuo: At afternoon Soviet SU-122 assault gun and four T-34 tanks drove into firing sector BT-42 R-702, which fired 15 HEAT-shells at them from distance of just 70 meters - but none of the shells made any made any real impact.
In city: BT-42 511-7 fought a very desperate and one-sided battle against KV-series (or IS-series) heavy tank - hitting it 18 times with HEAT-shells without any real impact.
Panzer 3 mentioned I’m a happy boy now. Thanks Eta!
"british lend lease"
me: *flashback to that one german mission to hold the line with spanish troops and no AT against british lend lease* aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
also, the panzer 4 ausf D might be wrong, there are quite a few photos of pz4 Ds without their armored signalers so it might have been a specific outfit for say, tank leaders, and I feel I have seen other photos showing split hatches but those might have been because of restoration or a case of newer turrets slapped onto older hulls in specific tanks that may be used for reference
The legends of Krasny Bor
No groove for the Pz III L attenna?
Game is literally unplayable!
*YOU SHOULD USE THE EDITOR THE GAME HAS TO GET ALL OF THE TANKS!*
If you go Into the game directory, you can acess the GEM Editor
If you ever played MOW you probably know how to use it, just load a map with F6 I think, and you can spawn in vehicles and stuff.
I feel so at home watching your videos
The museum was really great i loved it
ah, yes, content for me to procrastinate. Love it
Bruh this sucks.
Nah I'm just kiddin, love the super informative videos bud. Looking forward to your next upload. Take care! :D
18:18 Someone forgot an important piece of animation...
when you were talking about the radio antena protector, on some models of the panzer 3, it had a cover that the crew could take off and put on. The devs might have seen a photo with the cover on and assumed thats what it looked like :)
Man I want to love CTA:GOH Ostfront so much, the gameplay is great and I love the detail... too bad the AI both cheats and is bad. Units won't do anything unless you tell them to do every single thing, won't even shoot back at enemies shooting at them unless you order them to.
19:48 Sweden*
I’m playing Fallout NV and now I can watch this at the same time, I’m indescribably happy
Sturmi :3
Damn dude I love Finnish things
Night Shift shoutout! Would love to see you try and make a model or two sometime
Imagine liking the bt-42 from an anime instead of from Cursed Tank Sim
The T34 'mickey mouse' turret is my favourite.
Hi, I have made a super-huge compilation of all roughly 1930-1970 vehicles for CTA: Ostfront. Its called SVT´s Grand compilation.
It has about 20GB of new vehicles for Soviets, Germans and Americans. Both from other mods and from previous games on the same engine.
Of course, it´s not public (as I just physically can´t contact all of the OG authors of those vehicles due to their sheer number and ask them for permission). But if you´re interested, I can share it with you through the Steam friends list.
Uncle Nightshift mentioned!
i have to recommend the valour mod for this game
im obsessed with playing Hungary, Italy is a blast, and britain and japan are WILD
the french and polish get some love as well, as a daughter of polish speaking and born americans i adore it
there's even a version of the US with some interesting and rare early tanks
THERES EVEN SOME BONUS GERMAN AMD SOVIET TANKS
MACE > Valour.
21:40 There is a Vickers 6-Ton Alt.B with this paint
there is a Finland uncensored mod.
Was about to say how you captured a T-34-85 with such old equipment till I saw the 88 an panzer 4 ausf G
Now im thinking, if they modifieds a T-34 using the BT-42s gun, would it have worked better? The suspension probably wouldnt have suffered so much like on the BTs
I don't mind the inaccurate, it's their first game, maybe they sometime reuse the model for the tank, but they really did a good job in liberation dlc almost all of the vehicle model is accurate (?).
Stv 103c mmmm bset tank
The only reason I know about the BT-42 is from War thunder also its fun to use
I will not give up eta320, where is the IS-7 video?
Since u showed the Finnish bt… do a vid on the entire bt series (my favorite light tanks) love the content keep it up ❤️
19:06
O! 7tp?!
(Technically... i am close)
The BT-42 I knew from, Hearts of Iron OR Steel Division, and then I think maybe World of Tanks\War Thunder first.
☕🐝🇺🇸
I recommended you should be reviewing these tanks in the game editor.
BT-42 my beloved
The tracks work on the finish tanks. Just was a bug
I have decided to become a BT-42 Denialist, i don't care about combat reports the bt-42 was the and is the greatest armored vehicle ever made.
Hello, just found your channel. I couldn't help but notice the strange emblem on the wall. What is this exactly? Looks like a modified version of the famous Polish artillery company that raised Wojtek the bear
Try out Darkest hour Europe 44-45 in tank battles, its a Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 mod with a lot of improvements, and historical precision
The Finns got the swastika from a german noble who donated planes iirc
0:27 no don't. I only came to know about it as it dropped in War Thunder at the Fire and Ice update
9:40 beautiful hoi4 music hahahah
Ha i did not find out about the bt42 through girls and panzer but through a much worse thing known as warthunder
Yeaaas a New video I like your video!!!!! Man!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
The Russians loved their light tanks
ey nightshift mentioned
Yes Yes! YES!
suomi on kaunis maa
eta Eta ETA ETA
Stuh means strumhaubuitze
Am i The only person who has actually seen a BT42
NIGHT SHIFT MENTIONED 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🍾🍾🥂🥂🎊🎊
America made steam engines an sent them straight to Britain after the war British railways which was a combined company of the big 4 railway company’s kept the American tank engines an put them to work at docks
Hey i really like this. You mentioned that most tanks interiors were painted white i was wondering why that might be, i had trouble finding an answer elswhere. Thank you
It was done so that what minimal lights that were in the tank would reflect better off the white walls and it’s easier to see. Also, if anything springs a leak inside the tank the black oils/grease can also show up easily on a white background
@@eta320 Thanks, that makes a lot of sense
what is the emblem in the backround?
nice
Cheese
around 4:00 eta miss identifies a KV-1 1942 as a KV-1S, laugh at this person
I prob learned of the bt-42 from mowas2 valor thh
have yal seen a BT42 in real life? i have :D
AWESOM SAUCE
i was too focused on the hoi4 music in the background
Hey man a tip for pronouncing the finnish stuff correctly, is to use a light italian accent. (:
Sturmi :D
hey Eta, eta(haha) on the next video?
1 week
Yo gaming video
Well, i actually learned about the BT-42 when i didn't even knew Girls und Panzer, i learned about it when i started to like history alot and when i was starting to study about the winter war, i saw photos of it and got curious, that's how i learned that the BT-42 existed, at first i thought it was an tank destroyer and just later i got the knowledge it was an assault gun that was not soviet. so not everybody learned about the BT-42 from GuP! (Also sorry if there is an english errors, my keyboard is old and very bad and i'm also not that good in english, since i'm brazilian)
Hey can you play panzer war de and panzer war please and thank you
DO NOT SHAVE YOUR HEAD