Repairing Mobile Tech Expo Type Deep Dents the Old School Way
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- This video will show advanced PDR techs how to repair very deep and stretched dents using sharp PDR tools and old school metal working techniques. For you automotive metal working guys, this is the way it was done before the overuse of lead and finally Bondo, destroyed the art of panel shaping and sheet metal collision repair.
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Marty i am very very happy i am one of your students. Your technique and this shade of the fog made me a very good tech in a very short time and i am fixing hail dents flawless.
By the way i really like your green tomatoes
Thanks Abraham! Ya the green tomatoes are pretty good. I never would have tried them if you had not suggested it.
Marty thank you for this video. I as well was told push up high and knock down but this method makes more sense. Also I like how you use the dry erase board with the drawings to explain things as well
Thank you sir, loving your videos.
Done my first PDR today got it to 80% but it was that was needed. It's such an art and I'm loving learning 👍
Your welcome!
OK, put my head phones on, played some meditation music. Tried this method and... Yes, got a fantastic result. Thank you for this.
Yup. Never take someones advice in a video for anything until you try it yourself. A lot of stuff sounds good but doesn't work in real life repairs. The information and techniques I'm sharing in these videos have been used by panel shapers for decades and are proven to work consistently in real life repairs.
@@TopGunPDRTraining they sure do work well. Again you very much for sharing this.
Well, I'll be trying this way. I was taught to push hard then tap down. This way does seem a much better finish. Thanks for the vid. Very helpful.
Another great video MR. I couldn’t take my eyes of those pushes. Great explanation of small details and excellent camera reflection. Love your work. And thx for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks Wilson. Can't take your eyes off the pushes huh? LOL
Marty, thank You for sharing your video and your skill. I was a body and fender many years ago and i remember how hard it was to fix a dent in a hood . You are a great instructor as how to do this wonderful craft . I love watching you work !
Thanks for the kind words Nick.
Ahhh. Great explanation I've actually been dealing with this in my practice. I seem to have a tiny divit at the end I just can't get rid of , great video
Thats probably the impact point that you didn't push out well enough at the start.
Great teaching sir. Keep it up, and hopefully you'll produce this (PDR) information more frequently. Thanks for the knowledge.
I'll be putting up lots more as I get time. It will take a few years to get what I want out there.
A true metal Man.
Thanks Joel.
Great video. Thank you.
Your welcome Frank.
Hi Marty
Hope all is well. Haven't seen any new posts in a while. Looking forward to the next one.
I may do some more, but I'm a bit disappointed that people are not spreading these videos out to other techs. Most are keeping the information to themselves and that was not the reason I made these videos.
Awesome video for stretched dents
Thank you sir!
Love the video Marty. Hope you’re health is good.
Thanks Jon, feeling great!
Thanks for the helpful tips! If you haven't already done so, I would find it very helpful if you used a second camera to do a split screen shot - i.e., to show both sides of the repair at the same time. That way I can see how you're working the tool, along with the effect it is having on the dent. Cheers!
That video is on the channel.
You have the best videos, more accurately shown, and EXPLAINED. You NEVER SHOW just before and after pictures. You are a GREAT teacher. Thanks so much for your efforts. You are way better than those "LOOK AT ME, I'M GREAT" fools who think they are the best. You are the real deal.
Thanks Ray, thats very kind of you to say. There are more videos coming shortly, I just need the time to edit them LOL
la flexión que se ejerce es del centro del punto de impacto ?o lo va rodeando ?
Hey thanks Loving it big guy
Thanks Bill.
Brilliant. Really good to see how long it takes. thanks
Thanks Jon.
@@TopGunPDRTraining by the way. You've guided my next car purchase. A heavily dented volvo which appears to have been attacked with a scaffold pole. I wish i could send you a picture.
Are you able to do a video of what the tools are doing from underneath the dent so we can actually see the tips working the metal. If you know what I mean 👍 love watching these vids.
I could but you wouldn't see anything except the tool pushing into the back of the panel with extremely connected pushes. It would look like I'm pushing in the same spot over and over again so there would be nothing to see. Whats happening in the reflection is where the visual information is seen.
When you are working that dent, are you pushing all around it, or are you pushing the center?
Hi Dan. I'm pushing around the impact point.
your videos are brillaint! so glad I found your channel!
Very kind of you to say, thank you!
You are the Man Marty!! I think you are one of the coolest trainers put there. Thanks for encouraging us Young Techs!!
You bet Stephen.
I m so new to this that I was not able to see where he was pushing.
Thanks for this tip ! I did stretched dents in similar way like U show in this film but always 2 fast......I always wanna speed up this process and i make fck** vulcano and after that I fight with this mess more than 30 minuts 2 fix it ^^Coold blood is a key in this case. Thx for sharing Your experience Master!
Speed will come with accuracy. I've had a tag line on doording.com since 2005 that says Accuracy = Speed + Quality and You Can't fix what you can't see. If you keep those two things in mind a lot of other issues will take care of themselves.
Quick question. If inspecting a car prior to repair or as in setting up a quote, im assuming one stretched like this in the center would be charged more? Also how can you tell visually that its stretched? Ive seen some deep dents that arent stretched. How can you visialy tell the difference?
By the way, this video just got the whole gathering pushes, and how the metal thins in a stretched sent concepts to click. Thank you
Yes you charge a lot more. You can tell by the sharpness and depth of the impact point.
6:45 not boring it is magic !
This video is really interesting
Thank you for your videos. The talk about patience really helps.
Ya thats probably the most important thing you need when fixing damage like this.
Hi,
You are a master at this.
can that dent be done with glue pulling?
Thanks
Glue pulling can't fix stretched metal, way too deep.
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Thank you for that information.
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Ótimo conteúdo mais muito longo.🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Надо учить английский! Good job!
Was this repair fully done with pushes only or did I miss the part of you using a knock down , thanks ~
I usually don't use tap downs on most dents as any over pushes hurt the quality of the repair.
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Thanks.
Nice video
Excellent video!! Very graphic and detailed.
Learned some new stuff today, really useful
In the last 5 minutes, when you went back to the finishing line reflection, with which tip you were pushing?
Thanks and congrats for the vid
I used a tri-pick (or buddy tool) from Finesse on that last part.
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Thanks!
Ok thanks Marty
I'm wondering if next Time you could do a close up of the tips? Why couldn't you use the pencil tip till the end ? Instead of switching to the tri-pick?
I'll try and remember to do a close up on them in the future. I definitely could have used a pencil tip start to finish and most times do on something like that. I switched because I was filming and I had gathered up the stretched metal and could stat to move metal with the pick and not bore people that were watching LOL. On my next deep dent video you'll see a needle tip used start to finish.
Do you have any tricks for removing micro highs from over pushing in a door?
Use a sharp plastic tap down.
I can not see how you are moving the metal, nothing is showing in video how you doing it. I just see reflection of light is moving but did not show how you doing it. Thanks
Sure. Go over the theory part in the video a few times. I explain there that we are not moving metal, I am gathering metal. I also explain the difference between moving and gathering metal. Unfortunately, you can't see metal gathering in the metal unless you know how to read and interpret the reflection, and that can't be shown on a video, it needs to be seen live. .
Marty, I realy appreciate these detailed videos and your method of instruction! Would you approach sharp dent in aluminum the same way?
Thank you!
Yes, only I'd use more heat on the dent during the repair with aluminum. I couldn't use heat on that repair because the heat gun would have got in the way of the camera and you wouldn't have seen much detail.
Got it. Thank you!
Thanks for all the great info. Really love seeing the old school metalworking methods taught. By far the best method of cold shrinking in my opinion. The pdr finesse tsurkis rods work really good for this. I have never started with a soft tip on these, usually just went straight for sharpbut will definitely be doing on my next baseball hail smash!
I love those rods myself. When using the soft tip, just make sure to stop with the soft tip before you push any stretched affected metal outside the dent!
A big "Thank you Marty" From the Netherlands.
I realy need to learn patience.
Can you glue-pull a dent like that?
And how would one go about it?
No way you could glue pull that, except to start it with glue like I did with the soft tip. Too much stretched metal. You have to use a sharp tip on the stretched metal.
Thank you Marty
That is the correct way to repair that dent in the real world, the small texture from gathering the medal with a metal tip takes the stretch out and the dent will be perfectly flat. The mobile tech expo dent is about clean repair, you can have no texture or dots. Most guys including me stay with the soft tip too long because you will not get away with any texture. It is very difficult, 2020 dent was a little deeper than 2019, most techs were fighting the metal stretch at the end, you can place with a little pull, you will not place with texture. Its not a real world test, about working clean.
Agree with you on that, it really isn''t real world but rules are rules lol.
Thanks for sharing the details . I have trouble with those. No one has done a video on that . Great results on the dent. Is the tri- pick the 245s on PDR finesse site ? If not where?
I used a pencil tip for most of it. The trick pick I used at the end is from Finesse but it's not a stock tool. Tim at Finesse makes my trip picks custom for me. Their tri picks are the stiffest and most consistent out there. Blehm and Finesse are the only companies I trust any more to make custom tools JMO.
Thank you so much Marty for this brilliant show, I watched it at least 10 times. I got 2 questions, when you move your pencil tip around the impact area, did you move like 3:00 to 9:00 to 12:00 to 6:00, or just move from 12:00 to 1:00 to 2:00 to 3:00 to ...... 12:00 around? when you were close to finish the impact area, you changed you tool to tri-pick or ball tip, what made you decided to change the sharp tip to a non-sharp tip? What is the specialty of a tri-pick? Thank you so muck.
There is no push pattern, I always let the reflection tell me where to push best and for hard to push. I changed tips because I didn't need to gather up any more metal.
@@TopGunPDRTraining Thanks a lot for the reply. I will watch this video several times more. I wish I can join your two-weeks training course, but I am in Australia. How long can you student learn cold shrinking skill usually?
@@huizhang8510 They usually learn it in an hour..
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I really like all of your videos. I have been binging your channell since last night. I am at it again this morning. I like most of what you show. However, I think I need to correct some of your terminology.
There are 2 types of "Stretching". Which one you are dealing with is determined by how "Elastic" your steel is.
1. If you have NOT gone past the steel's elasticity, we dont really consider that a genuine "Stretch", as it can be stress relived to return it back to it's home position. You do this in your video.
A truly stretched panel requires heat shrinking with a torch a shrinking hammer and rapid cooling with a wet rag, to restore to home. There is no physical manipulation you can do 'cold' to restore it.
I keep seeing the word "Stretched" thrown around the PDR world by the new generation. Its clear no one today knows what that means.
I talk about this in other videos and in my classes. Stretched metal according to the Fairmount is thinned metal only. Any time you thin metal you have gone past the elastic limit in that area. Collision damaged sheet metal is a very complex subject and I try to keep it as simple as possible as far as terminology goes or you just loose people.
Stretched metal can also be fixed (or modified) by other methods besides torch and rapid cooling which of course can't be used in PDR. Cold shrinking discs, pulse generators and pencil / needle sharp tips etc.
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Would like the underside of the toll working on the dent how you move the tipe ?????
i don't understand your question. if your asking how I move my tip, it's with very connected pushes,
What's he's asking (because I have the same request, hah) is a camera shot of your tool on the underside of the hood so we can see where you are pushing, and in what sequence. Like as you work it, switch from shots of over the hood and then under to see what the work looks like on both sides. Yea, I know, more work for the vids but it's great for demonstration!
Either way, great vids, we are definitely lucky to have you doing them, and it's all appreciated. Keep it up!
The problem is it doesn't look like I'm moving my tool at all from the back so there would be nothing to see LOL. The pushes are so connected that it looks like I'm pushing in the same spot over and over and over and over and over and over again LOL If that sounds boring it's even more boring to watch. There is absolutely no pattern whatsoever, I let the reflection tell me where to make each push and how hard to push. Next time I do one I'll put a couple minutes of back side of the panel footage in If you guys want to see it though.
Understood! For some of us, it may help just to see where you're pushing in relation to the dent, and in what direction. You're moving slowly yes, but you could show us by exaggerating the movements as a demonstration. Basically the theory on the whiteboard, but juxtaposed onto the underside of the panel with the actual tool. Just some thoughts, it's fantastic content as-is and we thank you for it!
I can only assume you are using your hand to manipulate a tool, stop showing the throbbing dent and show the tools.
Great tips but I didn’t think that dent wasn’t really even stretched
it was stretched, definitely as deep as the ones at the 2017 Expo, but I can't get a reflection to show it for the camera yet, still working on that, I also should have run the camera through that dent also at the beginning to show the diameter better. Still learning how to film these LOL. The next video will show some severe stretched metal done by a metal tap down and hammer. It had to have a needle tip to shrink up the stretched metal. It will be out shortly.
Mentions "no access from the back"... goes on to use tools from the back.. How do you approach dents like this when there is REALLY no access from the back, Marty? Just keeping you honest..
I can't find where I said "no access from the back". If it were in a brace or closed area I would use one of many brace.tools PDR techs have available today.
we are trading minutes for hours !
nothing can hide from those ugly lights
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