Using Paintless Dent Repair + Old School Metal Working Techniques on Large Dents
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- This video will show advanced PDR techs the basics of removing larger damage fast and clean using Old School Metal Working Techniques WITH Paintless Dent repair. THIS IS A THEORY VIDEO ONLY. Real time large dent repairs are also featured on this site and more repair videos will be posted. Theory always comes before hands on work. You will learn how to NEVER AGAIN sabotage your large dent repairs!
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Thanks for this. 15 years as a PDR tech, taught by one of the best in the industry, and I still learn new things everyday.
Thanks Marty for taking the time to educate with your free videos. I’ve wanted to get into PDR for years but getting started into this trade is so expensive, so your videos are truly appreciated.
Your welcome Willie.
Came for information...Walked away with an education! Wow. Great experienced teacher!
Thanks Noye. Glad you found it informative.
Thoroughly enjoyed your presentation ! Im an an old retired IT guy (62) who does my own car restos as a hobby, but have always been fascinated by PDR . Your explanations on metal compression and and logic in relieving pressure is second to none. Best I have seen on the internet. Thank you for your efforts !!!
I appreciate the compliment. A good part of the basic theory is the Fairmount Method of metal working which has been around since the late 1920s and was finished around 1932.So I can't take any credit for that. I've only adapted the method to PDR. It's sad how all the old school metal knowledge is disappearing fast, thats why I'm putting these videos up at the request of a lot of metal men / PDR techs before I retire. The old ways are still the best ways when it comes to metal working. Unfortunately, most of the modern videos on PDR metal working are full of disinformation and promotional hype. Very sad!
Very educational. Most detailed pdr video on CZcams. Thanks a lot!
Your welcome. Don't forget to subscribe, and look through my entire PDR chanel. We have a lot more coming.
Very nice of you to say so, thank you!
Thank you....🙌🙌🙌
I watched this probably a year and a half ago and about 25% of it made sense. Just watched it again and now probably 95% of it does. Thanks for sharing.
Funny how that works huh? LOL
Amazing depth of knowledge & so excellently explained. Perfect mastery of the basics & a master craftsman. You are a great teacher. Thanks so much Marty.
Thanks for those very kind wordsTea. It's all about learning the correct theory. Everything else is just practice,
Best explanation on CZcams. I'm pdr tech with 6 years of experience but your advices are very good. I repaired BIG dent in the Passat B6. Thanks for your advices about pulling tab (out side-to back) I was able to repaired it in 1 minute!!! It was amazing!!! Thank you very much! Greetings from Poland.
Thanks Pogromcy. We have some more large dent theory and demo videos coming! Just got to get the time LOL
Thanks again Marty. Old school is where it's happening. Magic !!!
Ya thats where the money has always been also. 😀
I’ve been a panel beater for 30 years and learned a lot from you ,brilliant lesson
Thank you for the kind words, glad you found it worth watching sir. Nice change from the usual self promotional videos on social media. We have a lot more in the pipeline so check out our our channel regularly.
I really enjoyed this video. I learned a few things. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Thanks, glad you found it helpful.
I really appreciate your efforts in getting these videos onto CZcams.
I learn some much everytime I watch one of your videos.
This theory really makes sense, thank you very much.
Thanks Wayne. These theory videos are really important to do the large dents as fast and clean as possible.
I've watched a lot of pdr vids are you are hands down the best at explaining this art. Please keep the vids coming!
Very kind of you to say sir. Yes there are a lot more videos coming.
Thank you for your skillful direction. I never would have thought that removing dents was this technical. Wow!
There is some science and theory involved but once you've done a couple dozen it gets a lot easier.
Oh my God, only 7:47 minutes in and im blown away. I understood everything he's teaching and could visualize the forces. Thank you so much.
Glad you like them Francisco. Make sure to watch the other theory videos as well as the repair videos also.
Hi Mr. Runik, I like the way you explain how the metal behaves or react, it makes it alot easer to understand how to repair the dents.
Thank you
Your welcome Claude. It's all about proper theory!!
Hello!
It's an absolute privilege listing to this theoretical explanation. You are a terrific person Marty.
Glad you liked it Omar
Great class. I'm a panel beater of over 20 yeats that's been self learning pdr and I just learnt a lot.
You've got my sub. 👍
Good to see you teaching again. You are a wealth of knowledge in this industry. From an old student, you are still the man. Keep up the great work.
Thanks!! Just trying to get as much info on this subject as I can before I retire. BTW when did you train here? I can't find your name.
I'll just call you. Back in 09.
Watching your instructional video, I learned more about the characteristics and the repair of metal than I ever thought possible in an hour. I painted and decorated for thirty years and really appreciated when you stated, "This is only the basics." Knowledge is power and you are empowering your students with the knowledge they need to succeed.
Thanks so much for the kind words. Glad you learned so much and there's more on the way.
Hi mister Marty, I just starting this job i am practicing, i want to thank you soo much , your basics is soo perfect after i soo your CZcams videos I just watching you several times and you are 100 % , thanks for this videos you show for free its helping me to be the best, if you will come to Republic of Georgia you will have everything for free i will take care everything, just buy plane tickets that's all you need, come any time you want, thank you very much ...
Thanks Zurab. Glad you learned from the videoz.
best teacher in the world, because of you I will be the best, thank you very much
awesome videos, I have friends that have recently been trained by other companies and still don't know what you so willingly say is the basics, I am a long term tech and still enjoy your knowledge!
Very nice of you to say! I know what your saying about the training out there. What most of them think are basics are really ideas that sound good but don't work well in real life repairs. The Fairmont Method ALWAYS works in real life collision repairs, and has since the 1930s Too bad no one even knows this method exists now. Hopefully these videos will fix that.
Thank you very much for the lesson sir it’s worth every second, I wish if you just demonstrated the pulling of metal and knock down those legs
Again thank you for teaching us such a great lesson
Thats coming in another video. I trying to keep them an hour or less.
Top Gun PDR Training thank you I look forward to watch it
Thanks for clearing the mystery about a crown with no dent on my 70s Challenger roof. . It was caused by vandalism. You are taking the fear and lack of confidence out of us rookies trying to do repairs on our favorite hot rods. It is becoming fun and interesting (being super careful). On a deep narrow crease about 10 inches long where is the starting sweet spot?
I think your video just answered start at "break-over point"
Impossible to say without seeing it. Probably the impact line.
@@TopGunPDRTraining - OK understand. Thank you. I am rookie DIY working on my favorite car; big risk. I am sure I did it wrong because I worked like crazy to lift deep crease and had poor outcome. I had no idea about "pressure trap sequences" and "residual pressure". I definitely did find the soft subtle humps you identified but worked on them out of sequence (end of sequence). There are plenty of youtube PDR "experts" that don't mention any of your info.
To everyone criticizing that the dent wasn’t actually repaired in this video, then it wasn’t for you. Don’t get mad because many people can repair these types of dents, but don’t have the knowledge or understanding of how to do it quickly and with high quality combined because they really don’t know the physics involved. It’s like a magic trick I guess. Some want to see the trick and be impressed while others are more concerned with understanding how it’s done.
Like he has said, there are videos out there showing these types of repairs. I believe look for the ones that have “tension” in the title. They are the more impressive ones I believe. This kind of dent pops out with tension, heat, and a little bit of tapping with some pretty simple clean up left afterwards.
Thanks Mark. I wish more techs understood that the money is in the correct theory and basics! Use the wrong theory and you will loose a huge amount of time and money over your working life. You will also wear out your body much faster. The large dent repairs I show on this channel demonstrate these facts. If you want to do fast clean repairs on large dents, you must learn the Fairmount Method of sheet metal repair demonstrated in these videos. The old school sheet metal guys had it right all along!
@@martyrunik amen. I chased hail for 2 decades and have been working locally for 10 years on more and more collision stuff every year. It used to take me all day or a little more to do a crushed in door. Now I can do two under the right circumstances. About to order a lot more products for glue pulling like tension and floor pullers with a variety of tabs. I know that will help both my quality and speed dealing with stubborn crowns by drastically reducing clean up time. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It’s making more and more sense everyday and making work fun again.
Ya it really is fun when you know what you're doing LOL . When you do everything correctly, the reward is a quick clean job that gets a big WOW YOU"RE AN AMAZING ARTIST! from the customer and lots of money for you. Large dent PDR is definitely very rewarding.
Hit just shy of 1000 kg pulls today with the tower - using only hot-glue & nylon tabs. I was able to get close to 600 kg pulls using home-made tabs - nylon tabs & better glue-sticks were the game-changers that upped capacity to 1000kg. When a tab comes off at >800kg strain, it's like a bomb going off.. You duck.. Those pulls were on an "irreperable" quarter with internal boron steel braces - pulled both just fine which ought be impossible according to PDR "Theory". I'm now addicted - 1 deep, sharp dent several had already gone at, I got out in 1 pull at c.a 800 kg break force.
Yup works really fine! Thats just the beginning lol
Wow, three minutes into the video and i feel allready enlightened. Big thank you !
Even wen doin bodywork for years theres something to learn the better your taught the better the kind of work youll be doin thanks for valuable information
Brand New to the Channel. You know your stuff. I started watching the videos that you recommended . All because I dented my truck and want to hopefully fix it. I learned so much just by watching the videos. In the near future, I may attempt to fix my dent. I started learning auto body and Repair in the early 80s. I never completed the course. I lost interest. Thanks for your efforts. I subscribed and liked all the videos I watched. You are extremely knowledgeable and I appreciate the effort. Maybe use a piece of Heavy Duty Aluminum to demonstrate like you did with the blocks and paper demo-Good Luck. Never ever tell yourself that you are old with a negative thought. With Age comes invaluable knowledge experience and opportunity to pass it forward.
Glad your finding the videos useful Mark. Never too old to learn. lol
Thanks again Marty . Every time I watch the same video I learn something new. Joel in Alaska.
Ya I get that comment a lot lol
I was blessed to be taught by Marty! it was a great experience and got me ready for real world dents the first day back home.
Thanks dude!!
Thanks Marty. Good to see you in video again. Appreciate your knowledge.
Really? You like seeing my old fart face on video? LOL
Amazing information and insight
Thanks!
dont block the crown from moving down.
You sir are a genius and a craftsman
Wow !!!!
Thanks Rob, but I'm just explaining the basics of the Fairmount Method off collision repair which was around long before I was born.
Your theory based videos are the best, there's nothing like getting the why and how of the trade. For the morons who fail to understand that is scary to me, and may explain why there are so many so called "body men" out there giving the trade a blackeye. Keep up the videos and thanks for sharing your knowledge and skill in an effort to help those of us who truly are "Craftsmen."
Thanks so much for the kind words. It is amazing how people just want to see metal move and could are less about the correct theory. It's the right theory that makes you money. Anyone can move metal, very few techs understand the correct way to move it though. The Fairmount is still the most productive way to repair sheet metal damage and nothing has ever come along that works better.
Wow thank you for teaching so well I’m a so so Tech and I’m still learning from you and it’s great to have so much knowledge teaching so well again thank you Goddess always
We were watching the vid and was hoping to see you fix the panel, love the info and content so def subscribed but next time dont tease us like that,,,lol..There is alot of pdr vids out there but not many actually teach so thanks a million!!
Ya my student fixed that dent. I'm still learning how to get good repair footage, but as soon as I get a few bugs worked out I'll post some repairs. Never enough time LOL.
You know your stuff. Understanding the metal and what forces acted upon it and how it reacts to the force will give you a clearer understanding on how to reverse the action. I would like to see a practical demonstration as you are explaining various techniques. It would be beneficial to watch the metal reacting to what ever technique your explaining so that when i'm in the field and see the metal moving we know what to expect and to know the signs of when something is going wrong. Talking about it isn't always as effective as watching theory in action. Oh that's what it looks like when you do.... The pace was right for novice techs but could have been speeded up for an audience of experienced tech's. Thank you for taking the time to make this video and to share your wisdom. Did you have formal training in PDR in the beginning, or were you hands on from the start. I began with taking PDR classes, which were over priced and taught the basics (at the time you don't realize that), but more importantly it gave me the confidence to start working on a car without the very real fear that I'm going to make it worse. I've made every mistake at least twice but what gave me the confidence to push my boundaries in moments of doubt was the knowledge that there was very few things that I could do that I couldn't undo if it didn't work. I started with PDR but it quickly morphed into the entire appearance of the car and repairing the aesthetics which became repairing and restoring exotics specializing in Ferrari, Bentley/Rolls.
Hi Mark. I have a video coming up that shows the metal reacting. It's very difficult to show this on video while repairing with a reflection on a door. Much easier to show on hoods. I also have a video of a white Honda door being repaired.
I started out as a classically trained Fairmount Method tech and served a 4 year apprenticeship back in the early 70s.
I slow things up so both beginners and advanced techs can benefit from the knowledge. I don't put these up for showing off but for instructional benefit only. Way too many videos that are fraudulent, or only try to puff upon the tech. I could care less about that LOL.
Trying to help PDR and auto body techs out there to stop taking so long to do a quality repair.
You guys are too smart for me, as you're a great example of a Tradesman. Car companies are working hard to eliminate your job.
What a world we are leaving our grandchildren.
Totally agree. My grand kids are asking questions about this world no one can answer.
Thank you for this knowledge. Great instruction.
Your most welcome Patrick. Theres more coming.
I was hoping for some eye candy dent removal... some before and after results.
Thanks for the tutorial though.
Hi David. There are lots of "eye candy" repairs you can watch on this channel lol. This video was theory only because of time constraints.
Great, not only is he an armchair metallurgist, he explains exactly how to fix the dent without ever demonstrating that all his repair theory actually works to end up with a flat panel.
As I clearly state in the description, THIS IS A THEORY VIDEO ONLY. There are many large dent repair demonstrations done this channel.
Excelente explicación, aprender con un maestro como el es de otro mundo, gracias por el vídeo
Thanks Jasson
Wow, amazing video! Thank you so much for sharing this content for free. Myself and most people here really really appreciate it! I read some of the other comments and I can't believe these assholes. I'd like to apologize for their childish comments. They are an embarrassment. Please keep em coming. Two thumbs up sir!!!
Thanks Adam thats very kind of you to say. We're all about education here and some people with short attention spans just want to see metal move. There are videos here that show repairs but theory ALWAYS comes first. The wrong theory will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars over a working lifetime. Like the Fairmount Method says: "Metal moves like water" and if it isn't, then your doing something wrong LOL.
You are a Legend Sir. Thank you for the video.
Your very welcome sir.
These are great, I enjoy the “ how”
Glad you like them
Does the "break-over point" has any links to the "yield strength" of the sheet metal or they're just totally different concepts?
Thanks alot in advance
Yes it does, but there are other factors involved also. Other things including the amount of crown ( curvature in the panel ) are important for determining the break over point also.
Boy, the Americans always take it to the next level, very impressive.
Thanks Steve. It's called the Fairmount Method of Sheet metal collision repair. Been around since the early 1930s
Hi Marty. I was taught lead work in the early 80's by an 80+ year old body man. I bet he was a Fairmount man himself after I thought about the amount of metal work he did to my car before he taught me lead work. For pdr work, I'm wondering how to treat an area that has badly oxidized paint? How do I get any kind of real shine back onto the surface so pdr can be performed ?
Hi Mike. A true Fairmount Method trained panel shaper would never use lead or plastic filler, 100% metal finishing is how it's done. Vixen files weren't even allowed LOL.
As far as your paint question, check with a good detailer, but I'd try something like 3M Finesse It with a. wool pad and then Mirror Glaze. It may be too far gone though. A good detailer can tell you immediately.
So in essence try to get a shine back on it. I know a detailer to ask. Thanks !!
This is extremely informative. Thank you for sharing this secret sauce. Would greatly appreciate your help on one quick question: in this case do you need to take the door off of the car to apply the motorcycle strap tension in a stand or will the door hinges be able to handle the force if tension is applied while the door is still on?
Many times you can use tension with the door on the car as long was you don't go over about 300 -400 pounds. Most hinges will take this much no problem. But it works best on doors if the door is off the vehicle and mounted to a panel jig like the one in my "FIXING A MESSED UP DENT" video. You have much greater control of the tension and panel damage that way. Quarter panels can be done with a simple pull dozer which I will show in an upcoming video.
Well worth the hour listening to this :) thank you.
Your welcome sir. Make sure to watch the other videos on this channel where we apply the theory to do large complex dent repairs.
@@TopGunPDRTraining I have been doing, just watched the white door mistake being stretched, well done. put a complete new light on PDR as a new comer for me even though i have been working with cars for over 30 years.
Thirty years huh? You must be a car guy!
Wow...Smart man!
Thank you
You're welcome Antonio
Fantastic tutorial... So helpful; thanks!
Your welcome.
amazing stuff! you're the man! thx a lot
You're welcome.
good stuff. thank you.
From which material is the metallic tab you use to pull tension from the side?
Great video as always!
They are hurricane straps and a T strap. You can buy them at any hardware store.
Top Gun PDR Training
Thanks!
Galvanized steel, BUT, remove the galvanized coating before gluing it down.
Kenneth Dandurand
Good point! Thanks
Morty you are the man thank you so much for sharing with us
Glad you liked it Buddy
Do you have to put tension on both sides ? If so can it be done without removing the door?
You should put it on either side. Removing the door is best, but in some situations there are different ways to work around that.
Amazing work.👍
I'm new and this is lots of good info. It would have been awesome if you would have shown what you were talking about. I'm sure it would have made the video much longer but showing what you were explaining would make it even better.
Hi John. I do show repairs in many other videos. This one was theory only. The repair would have made the video too long and it was long already.
@@TopGunPDRTraining I know it was a theory video. The details were very specific. Was very good explanation of it. It would have just have been cool to add to to all the details you gave to show what it did. I have watched several videos now. This one just gives so much explaining that seeing it would have just topped it off. Great video either way tho. Thx.
John Collinsgrove .learn quicker by doing than talking.
@@robinjohnson553 yes. but that is also how bad habits are learned. Better to learn right techniques then try to correct wrong ones later.
John Collinsgrove .trial and error.no one can tell you how to drive a car.but this video was not for the beginner.but I got the jist of it.
I know that it is a silly question, but ill ask it never the less. How do you know if you have a stretched metal, i mean how does it look like? Because here 10:55 you are explaining it, but i didnt manage to figure it out.. so.. Again, i apologize for the question. Thank you in advance!
Don't feel bad. A lot of PDR techs don't know what it looks like. I will be doing a video on this in a few months that will show more detail and give examples.
That would be great :) Thanks :)
Great videos. Was this door restored in another video? I would like to see the conclusion!
Hi Jim. This is a theory video only. We have large dent repair videos on this channel also.
@@TopGunPDRTraining love all the theroy. Just wanted to see it being applied on this fender.
Thanks for the insight sir. Would you be able to share your theory on how this translates to blending light hail dents on rails?
Hi Matt. I don't blend at all, I release pressure parallel with the rails with a polished hammer and then glue pull if needed after that.
You are MOSES OF PDR 🙏🙏🙏👍💐
I wouldn't go that far but thanks Vladimir. LOL
Absolutely best and most knowledgeable PDR videos! Thank you, you have helped me so much
Thanks Jaime. More great content coming soon.
@@TopGunPDRTraining I had a question, without using an app, what is the best way to estimate for hail damage
Very involved question with way to many variables to answer here.
How do you prop the door for practice? Is the window and inside panel on the door?
I use a home made metal stand. No glass or inner trim on the door,
God this stuff fascinates me. I got into this trying to fix a beat up truck I bought that actually has some significant value on a very limited budget. I know I can make a difference I’m just afraid that it’s already beyond these techniques. If I could I’d take classes and do this professionally.
Just sit back and enjoy Trent. Glad to have you here.
hi mister Marty, please tell me if door is aluminum, what is bad thing to do? thank you very much best regards from Georgia
Thats a long and complicated subject that I don't have any videos of yet.
💥 Very Interest💥
Hi love your vids I'm currently learning just using scrap yards and buying second hand tools as my own job is in fiber optics but due this virus can u recomenb any sites get cheap to start out struggling bit as is most thankyou I'm in uk
Not really. Cheap PDR tools are always a mistake.
The "receiver" you showed at 29:15, does it work with a special type of tab, or does it fit over a regular glue tab? Where can one be purchased?
Its a standard glue tab receiver you can get at any place that sells glue pullers. Ultradent is probably cheapest.
After.....Before....👍
Great video I wish you could have pulled the dent to prove your talk
There are lots of repair videos on this channel. As it says in the description, This is a theory only video. I needed to keep the video at a reasonable length.
Do you have a background in traditional body and fender craft?
That paint stir stick is a fantastic tool!
Yes I'm an old school panel shaper
I read numerous comments about how great this was... lecture is good but zero demonstration to back it up. I didn't see a follow-up, but you can tell me anything but you have to demonstrate too...
I have 2 large dent demonstrations up on this channel. We will be putting more live repairs up shortly. You have to get the theory down first!
You may also want to view the "WATCH THIS VIDEO FIRST" video to find out why these videos are here and what to expect from them.
What about heating it up
Heat is helpful in many cases as are many other techniques and tools. There are some videos on heat use on this channel.
DONT BLOCK THAT CROWN FROM MOVIN DOWN.
DONT BLOCK THAT CROWN FROM MOVING DOWN.
Wow!
Hi mr. Marty I'm a old student
Hi Eric!
Sorry Marty I called you Morty LOL my bad.I was using voice
Mo problem. I've been called much worse!
This was 100 minutes of my life I will never get back!
Well actually, it was only 60 minutes, but okay.
Also, this was super informative. 1 hour of my time while I ate my lunch, and I now have new information that will save me 100's of hours of headaches over the course of my career.
I hope your wife finds your p0rn0s and secretly erases just the good bits lol
after one hour the dent is there hmmmm
This is a dent theory video only. There are large dent repair videos on this channel. This channel is based on the fact that techs need to understand correct theory before doing these dents or your work will take too long and still not be a quality repair.
I'm a totally not in the game person , just someone fascinated by this stuff but statements about replacing entire doors?I am confused because I THOUGHT they made like doorskin panels for cars...no? Seems like replacing only the skin of adopt would be way cheaper than replacing an entire door....no? Seems like aftermarket companies would make skins for every part of popularvehicles...no? And why not glue on aluminum or plastic or fiberglas setc? Just seems like to me ...not knowing any thing just logic and guessing
They do make door skins, but the skill level of many Auto body techs will allow only for replacing a door panel.
sounds good, but where is the result. don't believe it..show me
As I've stated in the video, and in the comment section, this is a theory video only. There are many repair videos on this channel where real world repairs are done. I have to keep the videos as short as possible and doing the repair while explaining the process would be a vey long video.
I thought he was going to fix it right there, but he did not. Just talking about it. Wasted my time to watch the whole video clip. Need to see some actions.
Damned if I even seen one percent of that dent removed from the door, and I really paid attention to the man. I suppose it's a religious thing where you have to have blind faith that it's all going to work out just fine.. LOL
As mentioned before, this is a dent theory video only. There are actual large dent repair videos on this channel. This channel is based on the fact that techs need to understand correct theory before doing these dents or your work will take too long and still not be a quality repair. If I put everything together the single video would be way too long.
Top Gun PDR Training yes I do understand I started PDR in 2003 when I wonderful man and my friend Mr Greg started teaching me I think the lord that he put him in my life first I’m still doing prd but I’m still learning and your video sprains everything in details so I thank you 🙏 for putting this video out for new specially but also for dose that has been in the business that don’t know how to start a large dent like the one I just saw on this video again that you god bless and don’t pay attention to dose who don’t understand anything or think that they know it all
@@aristidescastillo8089 Thanks so much for that Aristides and God bless you also.
$500 an hour !!!!!!!! Are you crazy? I'll just buy a new door and it wood be cheaper
Alfred Dafku *would
To much talking,, just get it done...!!!
Dear sir. Thank you for chairing your kwonlage with those who want to learn more. As they say... The empty cans always makes the most noise. I dare you(the empty can) .... Watch ALL the other videos, and then you can comment again... (I ame sure, that if you have the guts, you will apologise for your comment). This is not just PDR, this is about knowledge on how metal reacts. If you do not know this, then your work will always be sub-standard.
SIR, Thank you once again for all your videos!
Story telling for a good night sleep before going to bed .NONE of his talk shows any practical results !!!
Theory comes first. Large dent repairs start to finish are coming. I'm learning how to film them well enough to show well on film. There are other videos here that show repairs start to finish on smaller deep dents, and one on a large fender dent. You'll have to be patient. View the "Watch This Video First" video for more information.
There is no way to pull that kind of huge dent Why don't you just replace the door
Actually it's easy. See some of the repair videos I have.