I got my G3 a week ago. Finally got it to the range, i was waiting on my fixed barrel spacer to show up. Only put about a 100 rounds of mixed 9mm thru it. Had about 4-5 jams, should be fine after more break-in. Very accurate with a red dot at 25-50yds, 1"-2.5" groups. Very happy with my first Kel-Tec...
@jarvismorrison9328 Same thing happened with my Gen 3. First time at the range had numerous FTF with the first 50 rounds. After about 200 rounds thru it, it runs like a sewing machine. Very happy with it now..
@@googlechicken it was one of the main issues after they introduced it at shot show. I have the gen 2 with the mcarbo upgrades so unless they’re dropping a 10mm I think ima stay away from the gen 3
I have the gen 2 .40 S&W loved it so much that I fully upgraded it with mcarbo stuff. My gen 3 should be arriving to my ffl by Friday. I can't wait! Hopefully mcarbo comes out with some upgrades for this gen
The 2024 Gen 3 explains the $100 rebate for the Gen 2. Just bought one for $250 (and I expect to spend the savings at MCARBO to upgrade it to my liking!).
@@boss94ways51 Ive found that the 9+# trigger isn’t as terrible as I expected so holding off on the $240 package. Just replacing the charging handle, installing a recoil buffer and adding a stock pad (MO Tactical) and will see how it goes.
I will be buying this by summer with that new Canik tti combat. The only two guns I seen coming out in 2024 that are worth buying and not going to break the bank doing so. 👍
I wonder if Kel-tec will continue to produce some of the Gen 2's for those that don't want the bulk of an optic and don't want the extra expense and effort of buying/adjusting our own iron sights? The Gen 3 is great for those that want an optic, but this completely defeats my interest in a Sub 2000 as a FLAT super compact (ready to go) & quick to deploy firearm (no twisting). I might have to snag myself one of the old ones before they are all gone.
I don't know, but I do know the are offering real good rebates on the Gen 2 at the moment. I get you on the purpose of a folding carbine, real small and out the way till you need it.
a beauty upgrade. Now I know why they re blow em them out up North here. I will def upgrade this little carbine. This style of firearm is the stuff of dreams in a world where crisis is looming in the shadows. Nice vid
Are all the internal components the same other than just a different trigger? Any chance you could do a video going over the internals and taking it apart with the new rear ring they have holding it together?
I don't know, I did not have it apart. I can only comment on what I can see from the outside. The feed ramp is plastic, the trigger is aluminum. It's a loaner gun so I cannot take it apart, maybe in the future if one comes in for an internal upgrade I'll do a video on it. The new ring will come off by lifting the end out the groove and then rolling the rest out the groove. Just like you roll a V-belt on or off a pulley.
Just got my Gen3 and I love the silly thing !! SHhoots very well and at 25 yards it's very accurate. I mounted a Holosun on it with a 3X magnifier and Going to see if it's suitable out to 100 yards (I hope) lol.
@@merlinambrosius2554 you can shoot a pistol just as accurate but you cant mag dump a pistol at 50 100 yards and have a one foot grouping nor the speed and velocity for greater distances
IMHO I completely disagree. The FPC is heavier, clunkier and more expensive. The bolt catch/release is useless at best and a grand thumb machine if you try to use it from the right side. The trigger is no better than the gen 3 trigger. Sage to say I'm not a fan of the S&W at all.
A big advantage of the sub 2000 is the flat-when-folded form factor. Slips into and out of a daypack laptop sleeve much more easily than the S&W. That’s pretty much their reason for existing.
Agreed. And on top of all that, the FPC has that janky thick buttstock that is non-adjustable for LOP. On any rifle, that alone is a deal breaker for me..@@thomashoffman5745
@@ruiz212 Nothing, it will rotate 180 degrees, but it won't fold as the "belly" of the front stock is not straight, preventing it from lying flush with the top of the receiver.
It’s cool and all but I think gen2 is better. Keep it simple just run the factory sights and let it fold. If you wanna run an optic get a better quality pcc.
If they somehow managed to make minor changes like making it a non reciprocating charging knob and maybe a button bolt release I’d definitely buy one that’s for sure!
Does it still have plastic feed ramps like my Gen. 1 n 2 subs ?? both of my Gen.'s screws get loose... I picked up the S&W carbine n really like it way better than my Subs.. be well.
once Keltec redesigned the barrel to allow permanent mount of optic, why didn't they redesign the lousy trigger? The new S&W is superior in every aspect, why would anyone buy the Keltec?
Because it's a lot lighter and more compact. Would easily fit into a zip pocket on a backpack or small suitcase or a vehicle's behind-the-seat map pouch. The S&W is "nicer" for sure but quite a chunk.
I got my G3 a week ago. Finally got it to the range, i was waiting on my fixed barrel spacer to show up. Only put about a 100 rounds of mixed 9mm thru it. Had about 4-5 jams, should be fine after more break-in. Very accurate with a red dot at 25-50yds, 1"-2.5" groups. Very happy with my first Kel-Tec...
@jarvismorrison9328 Same thing happened with my Gen 3. First time at the range had numerous FTF with the first 50 rounds. After about 200 rounds thru it, it runs like a sewing machine. Very happy with it now..
The 2000 just gets better & better. Bravo Kel-Tec.
Definitely superior, as long as it was engineered and manufactured properly. Time will tell.
I own a gen 2 in 40 caliber, it is the most accurate budget pistol carbine I've ever fired out pass an 100 yards.
Same!!! Scary accurate !!
Thanks for the video. It’s nice seeing it compared to the Gen 2
The twisting barrel is definitely a game changer and still 200 less than the S&W. Pretty easy choice for me
The only thing about the twist is now it’s more fragile.
@@TruthGotGunz is there any evidence supporting that ? I haven’t heard anything about that being an issue
@@googlechicken it was one of the main issues after they introduced it at shot show. I have the gen 2 with the mcarbo upgrades so unless they’re dropping a 10mm I think ima stay away from the gen 3
Appreciate the thorough review sir!
Love my Gen 2, I’ll get a Gen 3 if they arrive in my area with a 40 S&W
Thanks for this and for the comparison.
Solid review. Got one on the way, too. Good info
I like the gen 3 it's about time
I have the gen 2 .40 S&W loved it so much that I fully upgraded it with mcarbo stuff. My gen 3 should be arriving to my ffl by Friday. I can't wait! Hopefully mcarbo comes out with some upgrades for this gen
I think most of Gen 2 upgrades will fit Gen 3.
The 2024 Gen 3 explains the $100 rebate for the Gen 2. Just bought one for $250 (and I expect to spend the savings at MCARBO to upgrade it to my liking!).
Right always wanted one but didn't want to put another $250-300 into one to upgrade everything
@@boss94ways51 Ive found that the 9+# trigger isn’t as terrible as I expected so holding off on the $240 package. Just replacing the charging handle, installing a recoil buffer and adding a stock pad (MO Tactical) and will see how it goes.
Fantastic review. Many thanks 👍
Great video. Thank you!
Great review!
I will be buying this by summer with that new Canik tti combat. The only two guns I seen coming out in 2024 that are worth buying and not going to break the bank doing so. 👍
I would like to see a similar companion rifle to the P17 22lr pistol.
I wonder if Kel-tec will continue to produce some of the Gen 2's for those that don't want the bulk of an optic and don't want the extra expense and effort of buying/adjusting our own iron sights? The Gen 3 is great for those that want an optic, but this completely defeats my interest in a Sub 2000 as a FLAT super compact (ready to go) & quick to deploy firearm (no twisting). I might have to snag myself one of the old ones before they are all gone.
I don't know, but I do know the are offering real good rebates on the Gen 2 at the moment. I get you on the purpose of a folding carbine, real small and out the way till you need it.
Gen 2's are discontinued and out of production. Which is why Kel-Tec was offering a rebate in the first place; to clear the shelves for the Gen 3.
Good review. I’m curious if one could use/see flip up iron sights on the top of the front rail?
It will definitely work, sight radius will be about 1,5" shorter than the gen 2.
a beauty upgrade. Now I know why they re blow em them out up North here. I will def upgrade this little carbine. This style of firearm is the stuff of dreams in a world where crisis is looming in the shadows. Nice vid
$399 right now. just got one.
Are all the internal components the same other than just a different trigger? Any chance you could do a video going over the internals and taking it apart with the new rear ring they have holding it together?
I don't know, I did not have it apart. I can only comment on what I can see from the outside. The feed ramp is plastic, the trigger is aluminum. It's a loaner gun so I cannot take it apart, maybe in the future if one comes in for an internal upgrade I'll do a video on it. The new ring will come off by lifting the end out the groove and then rolling the rest out the groove. Just like you roll a V-belt on or off a pulley.
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 Cool, thanks for the response.
Just got my Gen3 and I love the silly thing !! SHhoots very well and at 25 yards it's very accurate. I mounted a Holosun on it with a 3X magnifier and Going to see if it's suitable out to 100 yards (I hope) lol.
Should be fine, the Gen 2s were accurate.
25 yards?? I shoot my handguns accurately at 50 yards.
@@merlinambrosius2554 you can shoot a pistol just as accurate but you cant mag dump a pistol at 50 100 yards and have a one foot grouping nor the speed and velocity for greater distances
Great video
This is kind of video you can actually learn something
Thank you.
both generations have their pro n cons . some trend i read said that it had a LRBHO but reading through the keltec website says nothing about it?
It does not.
Still has a plastic feed ramp
Wtf keltec 😖
MCARBO still needs the business :P
Do optics hold zero on a polymer rail?
Long as the rail is secure there shouldn't be any issues.
With the metal ring rather than the castle nut how will the rifle be tore down completely?
It's like a key ring, you lift the end of the ring out the groove and keep going till the ring is off.
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 Thank you
Definitely an improvement over the previous gens. IMHO, the FPC is still better in pretty much every way except it does not take Glock mags.
IMHO I completely disagree. The FPC is heavier, clunkier and more expensive. The bolt catch/release is useless at best and a grand thumb machine if you try to use it from the right side. The trigger is no better than the gen 3 trigger. Sage to say I'm not a fan of the S&W at all.
A big advantage of the sub 2000 is the flat-when-folded form factor. Slips into and out of a daypack laptop sleeve much more easily than the S&W. That’s pretty much their reason for existing.
Gen 3 for me and it’s not close it’s a better firearm all around and 200 bucks less
Agreed. And on top of all that, the FPC has that janky thick buttstock that is non-adjustable for LOP. On any rifle, that alone is a deal breaker for me..@@thomashoffman5745
Does it have last round bolt hold open?? Please respond? Thanks
It does not have a last round hold open.
Would be great if someone would make an adapter that would modify the gen2 to do this same swivel
Someone does. It’s a whole new front
anyone should just be able to buy the new barrel twist and stock and be able to switch it on the sub2k gen2.
There's already a barrel twist available for the second gen. It's a third party forend
@@alexanderbolias900wow…so the gen 3 is really them being greedy 😂
If it would rotate 180 degrees it would be perfect allowing to keep a cleaner profile with a red dot.
That would be pretty cool.
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022so what keeps it from rotating the full 180 degrees?? Thanks
@@ruiz212 Nothing, it will rotate 180 degrees, but it won't fold as the "belly" of the front stock is not straight, preventing it from lying flush with the top of the receiver.
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 so maybe a different handguard or modifying this one would allow it to do the 180 🤔🤔🤔 thanks for your time.
Red Lion Precision forend rotates 360°, that's what I have on my gen 2 with their folding front iron sight.
Can the magazine catch be switched to the other side for us southpaws?
Nope.
💜💚🇺🇲🥊💪🧠
Yes but wantcto retain my iron sites
You can put flip up AR15 sights on.
Have they upgraded the feed ramp to metal from plastic?
No, it is still plastic.
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022was all in till i saw plastic feed ramp
@@boss94ways51mcarbo my boy
It’s cool and all but I think gen2 is better. Keep it simple just run the factory sights and let it fold. If you wanna run an optic get a better quality pcc.
I agree, to me it's a compact backpack rifle. As soon as it get bulky, I'll settle for a full size PCC.
If they somehow managed to make minor changes like making it a non reciprocating charging knob and maybe a button bolt release I’d definitely buy one that’s for sure!
HOW STURDY OS THE SWIVIL
It is very sturdy.
Howzit ouman!
Lekker man!
Does it still have plastic feed ramps like my Gen. 1 n 2 subs ?? both of my Gen.'s screws get loose... I picked up the S&W carbine n really like it way better than my Subs.. be well.
It still has the plastic feed ramp.
@@ThrowingCopperCRA-2022 , thanks, can't believe their still building them with plastic.. be well.
once Keltec redesigned the barrel to allow permanent mount of optic, why didn't they redesign the lousy trigger? The new S&W is superior in every aspect, why would anyone buy the Keltec?
Because it's a lot lighter and more compact. Would easily fit into a zip pocket on a backpack or small suitcase or a vehicle's behind-the-seat map pouch. The S&W is "nicer" for sure but quite a chunk.
@@KYFHOme The KT is 4lbs, the SW is 5lbs, not a "lot lighter". both are about the same size.
Wait a second what are you doing making this video you don't live in a free country
Whaaat? You trying to tell me Tennessee is not a free state? Somebody lied to me.🤔
I want flip up irons not much room to do that. Seems like a mistake not to make that an option.
What's stopping you from mounting flip up AR15 style sights, with a red dot in front of the rear flip up sight. I like 2 sight systems on my ARs.
@@benthere404 Exactly. I just got a Gen 3, and have both red dot and flip-up sights. The flip-ups co-witness very nicely with the red dot..