In the books artillery was used in a very similar manner against Atreides troops. The fun part? It was Vladimir's plan. He is verbally high-fiving himself in that scene. I would expect nothing less of him.
Because in the word of Dune artillery is useless, since it is stopped by the shields generators. But the firemen don't use them, since it attacks the worm.
At 2:51 I just realized after the one soldier was shot they were saying “DONT SHOOT! DONT SHOOT, WE’RE HARKONNEN!” You can recognize the same word for “Harkonnen” ("Haqueen") from the arena announcer
The user @harrybirchall3308 explained this under the video "Dune 2 harkonnen arena with extra subtitles" They said: "The noble families and houses all speak galach (translated to english for the viewer) and don't actually speak the tongues of the lower classes of their worlds, much like how medieval aristocrats all spoke french to communicate with each other, but the people they ruled over had their distinct languages."
@@erni_fx Why do Fremen speak Galach though?, I mean English in the movie. Of course there's Jakobsa language, but everyone understands Galach perfectly on Arrakis
@@fyn8172 the fremen arrived on arrakis a long time ago, and there have been spaceports there since, with some of the fremen relating more to city life than the reclusive sietch-goers, that is reason enough without adding the emphasis on the spaceports being the most important in the galaxy, being on the panet Dune
@@fyn8172 In the books it is noted that the Spacing Guild engaged in off-the-books trade with the Fremen so they could have extra spice. The fact that the Guild Navigators heavily depended on Spice was a tightly kept secret so as to prevent either the Emperor or whoever from the great houses who controlled Arrakis from chocking them. Thus it is possible to assume that many Fremen who engaged in the illicit trade had some grasp of Galach so they could communicate with the Spacing Guild contacts.
Idk if it was just me but after watching the movie a second time i realised only the commoners and harkkonen army regulars spoke their native language exclusively while the baron, rabban, rautha, and more prominent/senior officals including mentats seem to be bilingual but chose to speak whenever possible or exclusively speak whatever language they were speaking in English. Not sure if it was an intentional choice by Villeneuve to irl history of how some aristocracies would speak an entirely different language for a time, (like in england and russia who once spoke french) unlike the rest of their population who spoke an entirely different "lesser" language, but its a pretty neat inclusion if it turns out to be true.
The nobility in Dune speak Galach which we the audience hear as English, although obviously when shown in written form it’s clearly not and English would only be known to those with ancestral memory.
from what I heard, Feyd-Rautha's dad was one of the few decent Harkonnens in the books, so maybe he decided to give his son a more folksy-sounding name in the Giedi Prime language, whereas names like "Vladimir" are foreign-language aristocratic names
@@hannster7314 sacrifice [to House Harkonnen] our mortal blood give up our blood dedicate [to House Harkonnen] our faithful flesh give up our flesh leave to ourselves the deadly fear leave the fear leave to the mortals the endless fear beckon to death what's funny is that it phonologically vaguely makes sense with what's heard in the film so the chinese subs may not have been making shit up
@@fel_zharost Harkonnens have literally hunting grounds where they breed humans and hunt them. Even the herectics, who call our beloved God a Tyrant, never cry those scums
Whenever the characters are speaking English, they're implied to be speaking Galach, the Imperium's main inter-cultural language. Or speaking their own languages in private (Harkonnens among themselves, sometimes Fremen among themselves, etc).
Everyone everywhere is fawning over the arena announcer... Meanwhile I'm enjoying the troopers' combat speech much more. It sounds more direct, distilled, less fancy than what the arena announcer is using. Like a sub-speech you develop purely for use mid-battle.
And that's a battle language for you. In the book it's explained that each house have a specific sub language exclusively for combat so messages are more efficient and coded against enemy espionage.
@@Sid-th5ch Yeah, I realize that inventing three different interesting-sounding alien languages (Harkonnen, Sardaukar, and Fremen) was probably more than enough work for the filmmakers already. But it would have been nice to hear some Atreides battle language at some point. Imagine a version of the siege of Arrakeen where Duncan and Gurney keep slipping seamlessly between English and code language while they fight.
fyi for those unaware the reason why the Harkonnen said not to turn the shield on was because when a laser hits a shield it causes the equivalent of a nuclear explosion... at both ends of the laser
@@robothunter Indeed using shields also attracts sandworms in the novel. There's also two instances shields are shown to influence hand to hand combat: Everyone outside of Arrakis is trained to kill with slow blade movements, in order to penetrate the shield, so: -When Paul fights Jamis, the fremen around think Pauls is cruelly and unnecesarily humilliating him, because his would-be fatal or finishing blows are slow, so Jamis is able deflect him, the fremen not knowing this is on purpose because they aren't used to take shields into consideration. -Two years later, when Paul and Feyd Rautha (without shields) fight in front of the Emperor, Paul is able to defeat Feyd in part thanks to the latter still being used to the slow blade and with certain postures related to the use of shields, while Paul's constant battles in Arrakis have already made him strike faster and with different tactics.
@@quentin7135No in the novel it goes into more detail and explicitly says that Paul's strikes were an instant too late because he was used to combat with shields, though he was also trying to spare him, asking Jamis to yield when he had the upper hand and later saying he didn't want to kill him.
@@verikan4241I’ve never read the books, thus I have a question. If the Fremen and the Fedaykin are used to fast paced strikes in melee, then how are they able to effectively fight shielded warriors on the Great Houses own turf during the holy war?
The hologram room felt very Combine to me. A large “computer” powered by a line of humans (mentats?) hooked up to a machine chanting numbers. Reminds me of how the Combine use brains grown in jars and Vortigaunt slaves hooked up to machines to power their computers and technology.
I notice this too! Mabye Is a language only for slave/servant. In the First movie, the harkonnen Who want rape Lady Jessica spoke this in english, mabye because he want to feel noble too.
Well aristocracy in ancient times have been known too speak languages they considered “higher” such as Europeans with Latin or French and Koreans and Japanese with chinese
Peasant language. The language most people are speaking is Galach (English for our ears) and is the lingua Franca of the Imperium. Aristocrats would speak it while regular subjects would use their native language. Think of Galach pretty much exactly like how English is used today; it’s the language of business and international politics, and younger generations in other countries learn to speak it.
Harkonnen ("Harkonian"?) language sounds like a kind of compressed English with some additional words in Dutch, German and occasional French/Spanish. E.g. Harkonnen "saun" (="shield") sounds a lot like "Zaun" (German for "fence") which could be thought of as a shield. Another example: "her tis ton da?" means "do you hear this sound there"? "Ton" is German for "sound", "da" means "there", the rest is grammatically wrong English.
A shield is just a little fence that you carry around so that all tracks. It was really bugging me that harkonnen sounded like creolised french and german and your comment is the only explanation I've found
I don't remember if the novels depict the Harkonnens as strongly patriarchal, but in the movie the only Harkonnen women we see are either slaves or "pets". We only see men in the Harkonnen military. And everyone in the audience at the arena appears to be male.
The imperium is a pretty patriarchal society overall (excluding the Bene Gesserit) and I wouldn’t be surprised if Herbert originally intended for the Harkonnens to be pretty misogynistic
I realized that one already and really had to laugh so hard at the fact that there are dipsh*ts out there who have declared this film somehow their 'anti-woke' masterpiece of the year. Chani literally says 'Here, we're all equal. Men and women alike.' Not that I would care all that much for that culture war stuff from people like Ben Shapiro and The Critical Drinker, but the fact that this movie is so good that it can sneak in stuff like that without a right-wing sh*t storm is telling. Also artistically, it just makes sense to depict the Harkonnens as deeply misogynistic. Not that I agree with most of the criticism against Disney's Star Wars, but the fact that the Empire or the First Order have an egalitarian employment policy somewhat interferes with the idea that these societies are supposed to symbolize pure evil. This also waters down all possibly daring and relevant political messages you could have made with those movies and series. Dune Part II on the other hand is really intelligently made in this regard, you actually sympathize for a protagonist who's morals are questionable at best. But Paul actually kicks the idea of equality out the door. Chani and her egalitarian and anti-imperialist ideals are implicitly the political subtext of the movie. The end of the film was satisfying, yet tragic, for those reasons. The tragedy has a human and a political dimension.
@@sirrathersplendid4825Sumerian is completely unrelated to any known language in human history outside of borrowed words actually. Hittite is Indo-European though
@@presseagainidareyou4704 - I’ve heard of people linking Sumerian with Japanese/Korean, but that’s got to be dubious at best. Certainly a thousand years older than Hittite, in any case.
I love languages that sound like this. I think the Harkonnens are a bunch of scumbags, but how they were presented in these films feels so cool. Almost every culture has a sort of priestly aesthetic to it going on, robed people humming or speaking in unison, but the Harkonnen are so industrial. I love how their language sounds and I love how their armor looks. I've always just sort of enjoyed these more "industrial Soviet grunt" races shown in media throughout the last thirty years, from the Space Jockeys to the Kett to these guys. There's more examples but I can't think of any at the moment. Maybe the bad guys from Quake 2 and 3.
@@riloegaming Combine are so good and the Overwatch is interesting to me. I like the idea that the Combine Empire isn't ran by aliens, but hyperadvanced AI that surpassed their original alien masters, and is hoarding as much technology as possible. I would love to see a Half-Life film, since the Half-Life universe is a bunch of sci-fi tropes done well, paired with some serious and goofy writing that gave us the gems of 2 and Alyx.
There are precedents in history. In Ancient Rome, patricians tended to speak Ancient Greek, while plebians spoke Latin. In England, after the Norman invasion, the nobility (often replaced by Norman nobles) tended to speak French, while the common population spoke Anglo-Saxon (Old English, which would contribute to modern English).
Persian was the court language of much of the Islamic world for a long time, and persisted longer as the language of science, given the immense influence Persia once had on the arts, science, administration, etc.
@@Karl-nv5ok True, but in the books, when Paul gets ancestral visions, him and his sister trace back the Atreides bloodline to King Agamemmnon in ancient Greece, and the Harkonnens are traced back to Finnish people.
@extrude22 Yes I know I acknowledged that by stating it was Uralic. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Finnish was influenced by Scandinavian and Slavic (to an extent)
This movie did very well on developing the Harkonnens, more than the stereotypes that Lynch did with the 1984 version, where they looked like a fusion of Clive Barker's Hellraiser movie saga, and a weird New Wave band from the same span of years it was filmed, with actors that simply talked menacingly. Developing the Harkonnens as a culture, even as the brutes they are, as a bunch of pasty fiends living on a blighted industrial planet with a guttural language is still a bit stereotyped...basically they're Space Orcs, but it's cool to see them get development nevertheless.
It does sound like that, but it’s important to note the long vowel. Not something that English makes a fuss about, but Italian, Hungarian, Finnish, and many others do have this distinction.
I liked the Harkonnen language much more than the Fremen one. I wonder why he had the Harkonnen speak englisch most of the time while the fremen sticked to their language when they were with their own
Movie reason: They do it for the audience. In-universe reason: It is common for aristocracies to speak an "international" language such as Latin, English, Mandarin, Greek, French, etc (in our world history) while the population at large speaks the common native language. The aristocrats can speak both, however. This is probably how the Landsraad Houses operate.
@@Gelatinocyte2 Salutations to you that corrected stefanvukasinovic without the know-it-all-denigration that some CZcams commentators too often use. Kudos👍🖖
This has to be Harkonnen battle language, right? In the books the only mentioned languages that aren't extinct (like Franzh) are Galach, Chakobsa, and the various house battle languages.
Harkonnen is a form of Finnish. In the book the Harkonnens are of Finnish origins and descendants. The Atreides are of Greek origins. House Corrino origins are actually unknown. The book just states they where from the planet Corrin and after the battle of Corrin House Corrino came to power.
Explain something to me. The Harkonnen had that many people on Geidi Prime in a stadium in addition to whatever troops they have on Arrakis in addition to whatever number on the rest of the planet. And you are told that the Atreides are somewhat equivilent to the Harkonnen. How did the Atreides take EVERYONE to Arrakis and lose an entire planet's worth of men to the Harkonnen/Sardukar?
I find it interesting that you never hear the actual Harkonnens themselves speak Geidian nor anyone speak it to them. Id like to think maybe they have a law stating that they only speak Imperial Standard( English basically) as a way of further putting them separate and above their own populace which is conditioned to revere them nearly to the point of worship over the centuries theyve ruled there.
Everything and everyone on Harkonnen is referred to as “harkonnen.” Doesn’t that get confusing? Oh, no. Watch this: hey, Harkonnen! (a Harkonnen steps out from a crowd of them) Yes?
Shields attract worms and carry an unpredictable risk of violent detonation (on both ends) if hit by a lasgun. The latter isn't explicitly stated in any adaptation, funny enough, but it's more implied in these movies by everyone deliberately avoiding shield/lasgun interactions. That's why the Fremen refused to fire on that one Harvester until the shielded ornithopter was taken down by Chani's rocket launcher.
That stadium announcer is phenomenal
Ikr it makes me really hyped
kum kum gakhaaa kum
When he announced the baron and the music plays it even made me want to get up and cheer
He has to be or it would be the last performance of his life.
I want him to emcee my kid’s birthday at Chuck E Cheese.
The arena announcer is basically the dune part 2 version of the sardukar throat singer, both have their own mini fandom.
So true, Denis changes the tone of the movie with these scenes. Wonder what we have in store for part3
@@kelellocawa2414 Guild navigators is a MUST! Can't wait for it's design.
Also Fury Road blind guitar-guzzler 'doof' warsinger lol
HAMMMM BA BAWILÄ CHAM BALALIM BÖM BÖÖLÖÖGILEM BIMBOLGIL BOLL BOLLA
BARA BO BU IMGEGIGÖÖÖL HAMMM GIGL GING GÄLÄNG GÜE ÖE ÜCH GÄO GELM HÄMMMM
@@D3adCl0wn It'll be difficult to top the absolute perfection that was Lynch's Guild navigator, but I'm sure Edric will be done justice in Messiah.
“Under our glorious black sun”
Metal
There is no hope under the Black Sun
*cue burgundian lullaby
@@arthurrebello919 Cringe
@@redvexxe9219 no
No way...
(insert the TNO copypasta here)
nazis!
space uruk-hai-nazgul-engineer-orc-mesopotamian-finnish
Let’s see if that abbreviates to something interesting:
Uhneomr
100% what a fantasy language like that would be named.
Hakonnen is finnish
And, they look like Cenobite-Borg-Sith-Engineer-Drukhari. (In the books they were gingers.)
@@thomriley1036so the movie toned them down. Is what you’re saying.
@@williamhamilton1154 In another universe, Feyd was played by Ed Sheeran.
The Harkonnens: *Menacing, guttural sounds.*
The Baron: “Old fashioned artillery. Genius.”
Feyd: "Where?" 😂
In the books artillery was used in a very similar manner against Atreides troops. The fun part? It was Vladimir's plan. He is verbally high-fiving himself in that scene. I would expect nothing less of him.
@@Nickname-ef9tv Indeed! He catches their forces in the caves and buries them alive. His tactics were savvy, but certainly brutal!
Because in the word of Dune artillery is useless, since it is stopped by the shields generators. But the firemen don't use them, since it attacks the worm.
@@frantisekhajek6775
*Attracts
It's completely illegal to have hair in Harkonnen society.
They malded it all away centuries ago
They obviously don't even grow hair. Like gray aliens for example.
@janmajer4662 Not true. Jessica and Paul are Harkonnens and they have hair.
@@TheDirtysouthfan must be a recessive trait 🤷♂️
@@TheDirtysouthfan "...in Harkonnen society" not in "Harkonnen genetic line"
At 2:51 I just realized after the one soldier was shot they were saying “DONT SHOOT! DONT SHOOT, WE’RE HARKONNEN!” You can recognize the same word for “Harkonnen” ("Haqueen") from the arena announcer
Shows how messy Rabban's attack was. No planning, hyper nervous soldiers.
The Futuristic languages are so awesome 🤩
@@Nickname-ef9tv they don’t call him “The Beast” for nothing, do they?
The guy who tk'd was kicked from the arrakis server
Hey queen!
4:21 even tho there’s no language here, it was too badass to leave out
Haha I was thinking that too
The French horns 🌚👹🌚👹🌚👹🌚👹🌚👹🌚👹🌚👹🌚
FEYD RAUTHA!
It's a shame we never hear the Baron, Feyd, or Rabban talking in this language.
The user @harrybirchall3308 explained this under the video "Dune 2 harkonnen arena with extra subtitles"
They said:
"The noble families and houses all speak galach (translated to english for the viewer) and don't actually speak the tongues of the lower classes of their worlds, much like how medieval aristocrats all spoke french to communicate with each other, but the people they ruled over had their distinct languages."
@@erni_fx Why do Fremen speak Galach though?, I mean English in the movie. Of course there's Jakobsa language, but everyone understands Galach perfectly on Arrakis
@@fyn8172 the fremen arrived on arrakis a long time ago, and there have been spaceports there since, with some of the fremen relating more to city life than the reclusive sietch-goers, that is reason enough without adding the emphasis on the spaceports being the most important in the galaxy, being on the panet Dune
@@fyn8172 In the books it is noted that the Spacing Guild engaged in off-the-books trade with the Fremen so they could have extra spice. The fact that the Guild Navigators heavily depended on Spice was a tightly kept secret so as to prevent either the Emperor or whoever from the great houses who controlled Arrakis from chocking them. Thus it is possible to assume that many Fremen who engaged in the illicit trade had some grasp of Galach so they could communicate with the Spacing Guild contacts.
Idk if it was just me but after watching the movie a second time i realised only the commoners and harkkonen army regulars spoke their native language exclusively while the baron, rabban, rautha, and more prominent/senior officals including mentats seem to be bilingual but chose to speak whenever possible or exclusively speak whatever language they were speaking in English.
Not sure if it was an intentional choice by Villeneuve to irl history of how some aristocracies would speak an entirely different language for a time, (like in england and russia who once spoke french) unlike the rest of their population who spoke an entirely different "lesser" language, but its a pretty neat inclusion if it turns out to be true.
Actually had this thought myself with European aristocrats using french/german as the language of "fashion".
That's an incredible detail that I didn't notice but completely believe the artistic reasoning for now. That's dope!
This could even be further backed by the Sardukar not speaking English unless it's addressing a higher societal member, like the Emperor.
The nobility in Dune speak Galach which we the audience hear as English, although obviously when shown in written form it’s clearly not and English would only be known to those with ancestral memory.
Always seemed funny to me that English aristocracy thought their own language was less than
Now think how scary the Sumerians would've sounded in battle marches.
why the sumerians? xD
@@totalmadnesman Orc speech takes linguist foundation from them if I am not mistaken.
@@thomasmalacky7864 BASED, also that is a thing that kinda happens in the manga Dandadan but way later on.
Dididazu
Iltām zumrā rašubt'i ilātim. Litta'id bēlet iši, rabit igi'ī. Iš'tar zumrā rašubti ilātim, litta'id bēlet iši, rabit igi'ī.
1:23 - "Chancey? Scaramouche?" Those were his friends :(
I think "scaramouche" means skirmish since it sounds a lot like the french "escarmouche".
@@mactrauma5323 as à frenchman, I confirm this. But why would he just blurt out "skirmish" in an interogative tone?
@@lordwarlockthangwrath8662 Maybe, like asking to his mates if they are in that situation or not
Hahaha
Scaramouche will do fandango no more
3:13 interesting how they call the Baron “Vladim Harkween” but Feyd-Rautha remains identical
from what I heard, Feyd-Rautha's dad was one of the few decent Harkonnens in the books, so maybe he decided to give his son a more folksy-sounding name in the Giedi Prime language, whereas names like "Vladimir" are foreign-language aristocratic names
The Harkonnen version of the name, just like the Hebrew "Yehochanan" became "John", "Johannes", "Jean" and "Iwan" in different languages.
@@rezajafari6395 How ironic that one of the very few decent Harkonnen had a child that is possibly one of the most cruel even amongst Harkonnen.
@@Blashmack he was basically raised by Vladimir though
@@BlashmackAnd what happened to him?
I’ll never get over the fact that chinese theaters somehow got their hands on translations for *all* of these, and yes including the arena chant
ooooo what were the translations??
@@hannster7314 sacrifice [to House Harkonnen] our mortal blood
give up our blood
dedicate [to House Harkonnen] our faithful flesh
give up our flesh
leave to ourselves the deadly fear
leave the fear
leave to the mortals the endless fear
beckon to death
what's funny is that it phonologically vaguely makes sense with what's heard in the film so the chinese subs may not have been making shit up
Did they remove the black actors as well? lol
All hail the CCP?
Where did you hear/see this?
1:07 “Commanimo?” 😢😢😢 he’ll never see the GLORIOUS BLACK SUN again
May his sacrifice in the fight against what is about to become the worst tyranny humanity has ever seen not be forgotten
more like COMO LE BO
Rip Komaliwo
Burgundy has lost another hero
@@fel_zharost Harkonnens have literally hunting grounds where they breed humans and hunt them. Even the herectics, who call our beloved God a Tyrant, never cry those scums
VLADIM HARQUEEEEEEN
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It's good to know that Rabban feels English is better at expressing rage than Harkonnen language.
It’s Galach not English
@@sanjayraju988 NO IT IS NOT
@@thikifo395 What? Galach is the lingua franca of the Imperium. It's the most common language spoken.
@@thikifo395You are wrong.
Whenever the characters are speaking English, they're implied to be speaking Galach, the Imperium's main inter-cultural language. Or speaking their own languages in private (Harkonnens among themselves, sometimes Fremen among themselves, etc).
The announcer is so hype
The Harkonnens sound like creatures from Spore and I am here for it
OMG now that you said I see the resemblance lol
Everyone everywhere is fawning over the arena announcer...
Meanwhile I'm enjoying the troopers' combat speech much more. It sounds more direct, distilled, less fancy than what the arena announcer is using. Like a sub-speech you develop purely for use mid-battle.
And that's a battle language for you. In the book it's explained that each house have a specific sub language exclusively for combat so messages are more efficient and coded against enemy espionage.
@@Sid-th5ch exactly how I assumed it to be.
Man, I really should read the book at this point.
@@Retroskulll I read is 2 weeks ago, I'm not a avid reader, but it was so good I finished it in less than 10 days, highly recommend it.
@@Sid-th5ch Yeah, I realize that inventing three different interesting-sounding alien languages (Harkonnen, Sardaukar, and Fremen) was probably more than enough work for the filmmakers already. But it would have been nice to hear some Atreides battle language at some point. Imagine a version of the siege of Arrakeen where Duncan and Gurney keep slipping seamlessly between English and code language while they fight.
fyi for those unaware the reason why the Harkonnen said not to turn the shield on was because when a laser hits a shield it causes the equivalent of a nuclear explosion... at both ends of the laser
That, and according to the movie (at least) shields make the Shai-hulud go nuts
@@robothunter Indeed using shields also attracts sandworms in the novel. There's also two instances shields are shown to influence hand to hand combat:
Everyone outside of Arrakis is trained to kill with slow blade movements, in order to penetrate the shield, so:
-When Paul fights Jamis, the fremen around think Pauls is cruelly and unnecesarily humilliating him, because his would-be fatal or finishing blows are slow, so Jamis is able deflect him, the fremen not knowing this is on purpose because they aren't used to take shields into consideration.
-Two years later, when Paul and Feyd Rautha (without shields) fight in front of the Emperor, Paul is able to defeat Feyd in part thanks to the latter still being used to the slow blade and with certain postures related to the use of shields, while Paul's constant battles in Arrakis have already made him strike faster and with different tactics.
@@verikan4241I think he was just trying to spare him. He didn’t want to kill him. I think you reading into something that’s not there
@@quentin7135No in the novel it goes into more detail and explicitly says that Paul's strikes were an instant too late because he was used to combat with shields, though he was also trying to spare him, asking Jamis to yield when he had the upper hand and later saying he didn't want to kill him.
@@verikan4241I’ve never read the books, thus I have a question.
If the Fremen and the Fedaykin are used to fast paced strikes in melee, then how are they able to effectively fight shielded warriors on the Great Houses own turf during the holy war?
There’s something reminiscent of Half Life in VR in the walkie talkies that’s eeriely scary
Yes, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought of the Combine Overwatch soldiers
@@reidsimpson4213 haha yeah I was like “oh that’s so sick”, that sound used to scare me in the dilapidated corridors, they’re upstairs haha
"Pick up that Thumper."
Denis Villeneuve for Half life live action
The hologram room felt very Combine to me. A large “computer” powered by a line of humans (mentats?) hooked up to a machine chanting numbers.
Reminds me of how the Combine use brains grown in jars and Vortigaunt slaves hooked up to machines to power their computers and technology.
Intresting that baron vladimir harkonnen and his nephew never speak harkonnen language
I notice this too! Mabye Is a language only for slave/servant. In the First movie, the harkonnen Who want rape Lady Jessica spoke this in english, mabye because he want to feel noble too.
Well aristocracy in ancient times have been known too speak languages they considered “higher” such as Europeans with Latin or French and Koreans and Japanese with chinese
Peasant language. The language most people are speaking is Galach (English for our ears) and is the lingua Franca of the Imperium. Aristocrats would speak it while regular subjects would use their native language. Think of Galach pretty much exactly like how English is used today; it’s the language of business and international politics, and younger generations in other countries learn to speak it.
being overheard by a slave can have dire consequences. when speaking a foreign language you also have the excuse of translating it wrong.
Quite accurate to real life feudal families. In England for a while, noble families only spoke in french
I didn’t know the black speech of Mordor made its way to geidi prime
The Harkonnen language sounds brilliant. I especially love the networked Harkonnens chanting.
the harkonnen language was absolutely amazing this movie
4:20 live Feyd Rautha reaction
Common Feyd-Rautha W
A series taking place within this continuity, set on Giedi Prime, would have the potential to be phenomenal.
I too wish that Heretics could someday be adapted.
phenomenally expensive
@@mr.bluependant1871 Gammu would be so interesting in this adaptation.
Would be awesome if it was almost exclusively with subtitles instead of everyone just switching to english.
Like sin city
Harkonnen ("Harkonian"?) language sounds like a kind of compressed English with some additional words in Dutch, German and occasional French/Spanish. E.g. Harkonnen "saun" (="shield") sounds a lot like "Zaun" (German for "fence") which could be thought of as a shield. Another example: "her tis ton da?" means "do you hear this sound there"? "Ton" is German for "sound", "da" means "there", the rest is grammatically wrong English.
its Galach
a mish mash of many different languages but mainly English Germanic and Slavic languages
@@marin8141 it's not, galach is universal language of the Imperium and is translated into english for the viewer
A shield is just a little fence that you carry around so that all tracks. It was really bugging me that harkonnen sounded like creolised french and german and your comment is the only explanation I've found
I don't remember if the novels depict the Harkonnens as strongly patriarchal, but in the movie the only Harkonnen women we see are either slaves or "pets". We only see men in the Harkonnen military. And everyone in the audience at the arena appears to be male.
The imperium is a pretty patriarchal society overall (excluding the Bene Gesserit) and I wouldn’t be surprised if Herbert originally intended for the Harkonnens to be pretty misogynistic
I realized that one already and really had to laugh so hard at the fact that there are dipsh*ts out there who have declared this film somehow their 'anti-woke' masterpiece of the year. Chani literally says 'Here, we're all equal. Men and women alike.'
Not that I would care all that much for that culture war stuff from people like Ben Shapiro and The Critical Drinker, but the fact that this movie is so good that it can sneak in stuff like that without a right-wing sh*t storm is telling.
Also artistically, it just makes sense to depict the Harkonnens as deeply misogynistic. Not that I agree with most of the criticism against Disney's Star Wars, but the fact that the Empire or the First Order have an egalitarian employment policy somewhat interferes with the idea that these societies are supposed to symbolize pure evil. This also waters down all possibly daring and relevant political messages you could have made with those movies and series. Dune Part II on the other hand is really intelligently made in this regard, you actually sympathize for a protagonist who's morals are questionable at best. But Paul actually kicks the idea of equality out the door. Chani and her egalitarian and anti-imperialist ideals are implicitly the political subtext of the movie. The end of the film was satisfying, yet tragic, for those reasons. The tragedy has a human and a political dimension.
@@maniak1768 ok redditor.
@@autisticfieldmarshall1006 I assume you are in disagreement over my assessment?
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>sneak in stuff
yeah, which is called normal storytelling and not on-the-nose pandering woke movies are criticised for lol
This really makes me wish that Harkonnen was it's own language we could learn.
Me too bro
hittite and sumerian are pretty close
@@Sandmouse6942- So it’s an Indo-European language?
@@sirrathersplendid4825Sumerian is completely unrelated to any known language in human history outside of borrowed words actually. Hittite is Indo-European though
@@presseagainidareyou4704 - I’ve heard of people linking Sumerian with Japanese/Korean, but that’s got to be dubious at best. Certainly a thousand years older than Hittite, in any case.
They sound like the Helghast (Kill Zone).
YOOOO KILLZONE MENTIONED
1:01 cratcha tusa=we are ok
But there weren't ok😂
Narrator: 'He was not, in fact, okay.'
It sounds so cool the way he says it tho
1:07 Komolewo??
@@gedeoxa7506 it's mean,i love you
1:43 until today I still don't know what these people supposed to be.Low rank Mentats?
I imagine so.
Mentats being used as some kind of communications server or something
I think they're mentats that have been digitally linked with each other and the hologram display as a kind of human computer
Hybrids
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I love languages that sound like this. I think the Harkonnens are a bunch of scumbags, but how they were presented in these films feels so cool. Almost every culture has a sort of priestly aesthetic to it going on, robed people humming or speaking in unison, but the Harkonnen are so industrial. I love how their language sounds and I love how their armor looks. I've always just sort of enjoyed these more "industrial Soviet grunt" races shown in media throughout the last thirty years, from the Space Jockeys to the Kett to these guys. There's more examples but I can't think of any at the moment. Maybe the bad guys from Quake 2 and 3.
Here for the Quake mention
Grineer
"Industrial Soviet grunts" and the examples from films/games, you nailed it to a T
Combine Overwatch
@@riloegaming Combine are so good and the Overwatch is interesting to me. I like the idea that the Combine Empire isn't ran by aliens, but hyperadvanced AI that surpassed their original alien masters, and is hoarding as much technology as possible. I would love to see a Half-Life film, since the Half-Life universe is a bunch of sci-fi tropes done well, paired with some serious and goofy writing that gave us the gems of 2 and Alyx.
Borg meets Oompa Loompas
The common people speak their native languages, and then the nobility speak the imperial language?
There are precedents in history. In Ancient Rome, patricians tended to speak Ancient Greek, while plebians spoke Latin. In England, after the Norman invasion, the nobility (often replaced by Norman nobles) tended to speak French, while the common population spoke Anglo-Saxon (Old English, which would contribute to modern English).
@@gdkopinionator4356 Makes sense.
@@gdkopinionator4356the Russian monarchy preferred to speak French too.
Persian was the court language of much of the Islamic world for a long time, and persisted longer as the language of science, given the immense influence Persia once had on the arts, science, administration, etc.
Space Finnish.
It's a mix of English and other languages.
See this?
@@Karl-nv5ok True, but in the books, when Paul gets ancestral visions, him and his sister trace back the Atreides bloodline to King Agamemmnon in ancient Greece, and the Harkonnens are traced back to Finnish people.
BARUUN VLADIME HAQKWEEM
Been waiting for someone to make this. Thank you!
1:42 this holographic hemisphere map is my favourite scene here
Everytime Harkonnen is spoken.... The Baron flatuates! Shai Hulud knows all! The gas must pass!
They remind me of the Combine from Half Life. Even their technology appears bio-mechanical in nature.
A lot of technology in Dune is bio-mechanical because computers don't exist
Interesting that they made the Harkonnen language sound vaguely slavic. An interesting call back to their Finnish origins.
Finnish isn’t a Slavic language
@@extrude22 That's correct it's Uralic, but it does take heavily from Scandinavian and Slavic
@@gibusgaming5866 Finnish isn’t even an indo European language. Slavic and the other Scandinavian languages are
@extrude22 Yes I know I acknowledged that by stating it was Uralic. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Finnish was influenced by Scandinavian and Slavic (to an extent)
The name Harkkonen was taken from Finnish surname Härkönen by the original author of the book.
Thank you for this
1:41 didn't even realize they were chanting together, are those mentats???
since there's no computers, they group to calculate stuff?
yess they are
J'ai l'impression de retrouver les "soldats" qu'on voit dans MadMax au niveau des gestes, du crâne rasé.
I love the subtle HR Giger influence of the Harkonnen architecture.
david j peterson just rocks. he did high valyrian and dothraki as well.
This movie did very well on developing the Harkonnens, more than the stereotypes that Lynch did with the 1984 version, where they looked like a fusion of Clive Barker's Hellraiser movie saga, and a weird New Wave band from the same span of years it was filmed, with actors that simply talked menacingly.
Developing the Harkonnens as a culture, even as the brutes they are, as a bunch of pasty fiends living on a blighted industrial planet with a guttural language is still a bit stereotyped...basically they're Space Orcs, but it's cool to see them get development nevertheless.
0:25 "Hot sand"
It does sound like that, but it’s important to note the long vowel. Not something that English makes a fuss about, but Italian, Hungarian, Finnish, and many others do have this distinction.
They look like Borgs from Star Trek universe and sound like Klingons.
1:42 bro this is one of my favorite parts, just the mentats chanting in unison sounds so cool
Their language remains me of the Jaffa language from the first Stargate 1994 movie.
Sounds like a weird mix between German, Russian and Romanian.
0:13 is such an unsettling reveal shot.
I liked the Harkonnen language much more than the Fremen one. I wonder why he had the Harkonnen speak englisch most of the time while the fremen sticked to their language when they were with their own
Dynamo Dresden-Auswärtsblock
TSE BAHUN! VLADIML! HALKWUUU!
0:14 I love this part
The stabilization capabilities of these handheld magnification goggles are insane
Just thought I’d point out, binoculars with gyroscopic and electronic stabilization are making their way onto the market, they’re wonderful.
I love that they made them sound like the NPC's from halo 1.
Just i, or the nobles harkonnen (Baron, na-baron and Raban) did not speak this language? Is mabye a language used only by the slaved population?
Movie reason: They do it for the audience.
In-universe reason: It is common for aristocracies to speak an "international" language such as Latin, English, Mandarin, Greek, French, etc (in our world history) while the population at large speaks the common native language. The aristocrats can speak both, however. This is probably how the Landsraad Houses operate.
Is just for the audience.
@@VolkovVelikan Hey, fan-canoning is fun!
not like it was mentioned hundred times already or something
Superball need to hire this guy
If they used shields they attract the worm but i think they should have used the shield they can also fly away from the worm
It's not just the worm they're worried about. In the books, when a lasgun hits a shield, it basically results in an equivalent of a nuclear explosion.
Yes and they probably assumed the Fremen would've just lasgunned them from far away and their whole unit would blow up@@Gelatinocyte2
@@Gelatinocyte2 Salutations to you that corrected stefanvukasinovic without the know-it-all-denigration that some CZcams commentators too often use. Kudos👍🖖
This has to be Harkonnen battle language, right? In the books the only mentioned languages that aren't extinct (like Franzh) are Galach, Chakobsa, and the various house battle languages.
03:04 & 05:04
kind of sad we didn't get more Harkonnen in the final battles, it was mostly just Sardukar getting steamrolled.
The chanting sounded so similar to the war chant at pelennor fields.
I live this movie it my favorite
Harkonnen is a form of Finnish. In the book the Harkonnens are of Finnish origins and descendants. The Atreides are of Greek origins. House Corrino origins are actually unknown. The book just states they where from the planet Corrin and after the battle of Corrin House Corrino came to power.
At 2:02, I always thought he was saying "drop it", thereby warning the guy talking to Rabban.
1:25 _It's raining men_
_Hallelujah, it's raining men_
The first guys always remind me of the Mongols from Ghost of Tsushima
Kinda reminds me of the Grineer from Warframe
It sounds like the language in Spore😂
Sounds a little bit like the Klingons in into Darkness
Fun fact: Frank Herbert hated slavs
Their language reminds of Grineer in Warframe
2:41 Otwórz te drzwi, kurwa
The guy leading the chant sounds like something Tom Waits would do!
The harkonnen language reminds me a bit of russian
the harkonnen industrial complex
Explain something to me. The Harkonnen had that many people on Geidi Prime in a stadium in addition to whatever troops they have on Arrakis in addition to whatever number on the rest of the planet. And you are told that the Atreides are somewhat equivilent to the Harkonnen. How did the Atreides take EVERYONE to Arrakis and lose an entire planet's worth of men to the Harkonnen/Sardukar?
Harkonnen are basically Helghast
Sounds like Klingon
I speak this
Mix between german and klingon
Does anyone know why one soldier was saying to raise their shields and the other soldier immediately was like no shields!?
The name Harkkonen was taken from Finnish surname Härkönen by the original author of the book.
My song 1:43
Reminds me a bit of Huttese too.
I find it interesting that you never hear the actual Harkonnens themselves speak Geidian nor anyone speak it to them. Id like to think maybe they have a law stating that they only speak Imperial Standard( English basically) as a way of further putting them separate and above their own populace which is conditioned to revere them nearly to the point of worship over the centuries theyve ruled there.
1:47 really reminds me of The Borg.
4:17
Everything and everyone on Harkonnen is referred to as “harkonnen.”
Doesn’t that get confusing?
Oh, no. Watch this: hey, Harkonnen!
(a Harkonnen steps out from a crowd of them) Yes?
Was the Harkonnen language just random language-sounding sounds in the movie or did they try to make an actual language?
It's a con lang or constructed language
The only word i know for sure is blood = kum. Which is a strange choice, but ok
Why didnt they have shields in the desert fight scene?
Shields attract worms and carry an unpredictable risk of violent detonation (on both ends) if hit by a lasgun. The latter isn't explicitly stated in any adaptation, funny enough, but it's more implied in these movies by everyone deliberately avoiding shield/lasgun interactions. That's why the Fremen refused to fire on that one Harvester until the shielded ornithopter was taken down by Chani's rocket launcher.
Space German