Tradition vs Revelation
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- In this presentation I discuss the so-called Islamic traditions and how they have impacted the Muslims over the generations. What are we to make of these traditions? Are we to completely reject them? Or is there a more plausible or rational approach?
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Take the good and leave the bad. Same here brother
I love the growing community of people teaching and learning the truth. i love the different channels and their research i wish you all could come together and decode the true Quran from the misinformation of what we have today. From the bottom of my heart i truely appriciate the work you all put it to get the truth out.
Thank you for your comments and may Allah bless you. It's only natural that we have different understandings but as long as we all hold onto the Rope of Allah (Qur'an) and strive with it!
SubhanAllah brother. Love your videos and this is very logical and reasonable approach my brother. May Allah bless you for providing information with an enthusiastic approach. Mashallah brother
Thank you for your kind words and may Allah bless you as well. The truth has come and falsehood is bound to perish!
Peace be upon you Haneef. Thank you very much for providing the information. I was a blind sunni follower my whole life. But I always had doubts. And what I missed most, was that nobody talked about Allah. When Sunnis started to preach it was more: the Prophet said…
But since i have started reading Quran first time in my life I have felt like a submitter. It became more easy for me to get rid of bad habits and look out for good deeds. Also my mind came to peace, because everything made sense to me.
I sincerely appreciate your work and hope you will continue.
But I would have one question. Could you make a video about Salat. How would it look like, according to Quran. I have the feeling that the current Namaz is more a Zoroastrian prayer rather than a Muslim one.
Best wishes
Salaam brother and thank you for your comments. Yes, no one seems to be interested in what the Qur'an actually says (especially for Sunnis & Shia). All theyre obsessed about is what the prophet & his companions ate, dressed, and used the bathroom!
Reading the Qur'an for yourself with an unbiased mindset does wonders and really opens up doors in which can never be opened as a brain dead traditional hadith follower.
As for Salat, I've made a video about it and quoted many Qur'anic verses to prove my points. What I usually recommend is to stick to what you know (been taught) but reconstruct your Salat to make it match the Qur'an to the best of your abilities.
Hope this helps?
Peace,
Nej
Salaam Haneefan, excellent presentation. We listen to a lot of the same CZcamsrs, and have similar views on some of the more "controversial" of these figures (two specifically come to mind, but I'm following your lead in avoiding saying "bad things"). I checked a few of those I hadn't heard of before as well. I didn't realize Dr. Hashmi was releasing vids on other channels. I got that Muslim Mishna playlist, sounds very interesting, so I'm about to be on that. Thanks for the recs!
Thank you brother Cory and may Allah bless you. Brother Hashmi's Muslim Mishna is fantastic and a must watch!
Jazakum Allahu khayr 💐
The mere fact of saying 100.000 people allegedly attended that sermon of the prophet during times where there was no microphones and speakers can make me think that the majority of attendees could have missed a lot!
QURAN Alone
Very logical approach. Thank you!
JazakAllah khair.
"Quranic Research Inc." this is also a very good channel.
Yes indeed it is! Much of what I've learned comes from those channels I mentioned in my video 😊
@Haneefan also chillin' with scripture,quranic islam and
Muslim only
At the 43:06 mark you hypothesized, _"Traditions are NOT to be taken as anything other than as historical information only..."_
Now, I ask you a very simple question, "What is the history of Islam and when did this "history" start?"
_Okay, that might be 2 questions!_
Anyway... did the *"historical information of Islam"* start with the creation of the Universe or the years after the demise of the prophet the Sectarians named Muhammad?
If you chose the latter, could you and Lesley please provide your evidence?
Thank you.
salam, bro Haneefan.
Thanks once again for your explanation . I have subscribed to most of the people you have suggested. Unfortunately Quran Centric has not posted anything for quite a while
I salut you sir.
May Allah reward you for making things bayyinah (clear), using the reasoning faculties Allah tells us to use repeatedly, using the Book of Allah.
Thank you for your kind words my friend and may Allah reward you to. Doing 'bayyinah' is a duty on all of us!
@@negeto2460 100% I tried to do that with this video...
czcams.com/video/_hXlJR2fTAU/video.html
THE BEST HADITH | az-Zumar 39:23
@@EndGameDeception this is one of the best videos I've seen about Hadith. Keep up the great work akhi!
Salam to you, Dr. Omar zaid would like to get in touch with you, please advise as to how to get in touch, thank you. ~ The AG Team
Wa alaykum salaam! The best way to reach me is via email:
nejdet_m@hotmail.com
Peace 🙂
I would also highly recommend the CZcams channel of Anwar Shaik. This brother from South Africa is a great thinker, his videos introduced me to the Quran centric view.
Yes, indeed! Brother Anwar also has some great videos and may Allah reward him.
Assalamualaikum.
Brother what is your next topic.
We are waiting
Wa alaykum salaam akhi. Not sure at the moment but I may revisit my previous videos regarding 'Qibla' and 'Shirk'. A few brothers (may Allah reward them) have reminded of some extra verses which may help us further understand these topics. We are continuously learning & growing with the Book of Allah!
Peace 😊
these are also pages to watch: Qur'an study, The Warner, Dr Omar Ramahi
Yes, brother Omar Rahami is also fantastic Masha'Allah.
bro im from australia and u sound like your inn australia?? do u have a masjid brother? r u teaching in classes?
Salaam akhi. Yes, i'm from Australia and i visit ALL Masjids brother. I don't hold classes but am a student like everyone else 😊
@13:07 reference for viewers (Quran2:272)
If a hadith is consistent with the Qur'an does that mean the prophet said it?
Salaam DIAMOXD,
The answer is: 50/50! Even honest hadith scholars (ibn hajar, nawawi, etc) admit that these hadiths (99% of the hadith corpus) is 'speculative' and NOT the verbatim words of the prophet. Despite this, they still BLINDLY follow these traditions and label anyone who denies them as being heretical! The Qur'an warns us not to follow that which we have no knowledge (17:36) and that 'speculation' (ZANN) can have no avail against the truth (10:36).
Then how can we take these traditions as a source of revelation, or guidance, or authoritative, or even legislative? It's insane!! The best thing we can do is to simply treat them as 'historical' information - nothing more!
May Allah help us.
Nice❤
100k people and no Microphone?
@@neeneemusician9050 hehe 😊
Beloved Brother...
What about Ismail (A.S) ?
Salaam brother. Not sure what your question is? What about Ismail (a.s)? 🤔
Wslm.. What does Al Quræn mention concerning him?
@@I0888 hmm that maybe for another video insha'Allah akhi. May Allah bless you.
Jzk Khairan
@@I0888 wa iyyaakum 😊
Selaam, it is caring act to try to warn mushrikeen. But whoever lives and dies as one will be left helplessly like useless waste of human race or better said “hellfire fuel”…scary…
The sole reason why most people failed to understand the Quran is best epitomized by your approach at 03:25 mark... _"in fact to look at the Quran from a purely decontextualized way to me is not plausible..."_
WHY? What do you mean by decontextualized? Not in isolation from which/what context?
Not in isolation from the prophet/messenger the sectarians have named Muhammad?
In other words, you cannot fathom the idea of separating the messenger named Muhammad from the message. If the person named Muhammad did not exist, then do you think Allah will not send down the Quran?
Anyway, you added... _"the Quran surely has got some history behind it..."_
Okay... assuming your approach were correct... is there any verse that support this?
Was the Quran sent down, by special delivery, to a man named Muhammad and that it was up to him to digest & understand the Quran before teaching it to the masses?
Or, was the Quran sent down for mankind as a book of guidance, wisdom, mercy, absolute truth and that the messenger's duty was simply to convey the message?
Ponder on this verse:
7:43
And We will remove whatever (is) in their breasts of malice. Flows from underneath them the rivers. And they will say, "All the praise (is) for Allah, the One Who guided us to this, and not we were to receive guidance if not [that] (had) guided us Allah. Certainly, came Messengers (of) our Lord with the truth." And they will be addressed, [that] "This (is) Paradise, you have been made to inherit for what you used to do."
Especially the part where it says, *_Certainly, came Messengers (of) our Lord with the truth."_*
All messengers came with the same Truth, guidance, wisdom!
So, which is with us in 2023?
The long dead messengers or the message each one of them brought?
So, in which context do you wish to view the Quran?
a.) God, guidance & mankind
b.) God, Muhammad, guidance & mankind?
Choose wisely because one of the 2 choices is SHIRK.
You also surmised, _"I believe those traditions have some truth in them..."_
Would you be able to support this belief of yours with a verse from the Quran perhaps?
Lastly, I would strongly advice people to always put the Quran above everything else in this physical world of ours. It used to be the Torah and then the Injeel... but now, in 2023... the Quran.
salam, bro Haneefan.
Wa alaykum salaam my friend,
When I say decontexualized, i mean by ignoring ANYTHING that is historically related to the Qur'an. Did the Qur'an just mysteriously appear in a cave somewhere and people discovered and started following it?
Here's an example akhi..
We know HISTORICALLY that the New Testament (all 27 books) was compiled, authorized, and canonized at the council of Nicaea in 350 (A.D). Unfortanatelty, the SAME people invented / innovated the doctrine of the Trinity. However, the doctrine of the Trinity does NOT exist in the text. Ofcourse, their scholars will bend and twist verses to support the Trinity. Furthermore, there is a minority group called the 'Unitarian' christians who completed reject the Trinity! Also, there is a minority group called the 'Karaite' jews who reject the Talmud / Mishnah and uphold the Torah Alone! SunhanAllah!
Similarly, the Muslims have also invented / innovated the docrine of the 'Sunnah' of Muhammad and they've even raised this above the Qur'an!
And you summed it up perfectly when you said:
".. I would strongly advise people to always put the Quran above everything else in this physical world of ours."
This is EXACTLY the reason why I make my videos akhi! The Qur'an must be placed above EVERYTHING (traditions, hadith, seera, etc).
May Allah guide us!
Peace
@@negeto2460 Salam bro... yes we are well aware of your intention behind the videos... however, when you try to incorporate the word of man, even a bit or as a secondary/tertiary source, into the mix then you are just leading yourself astray!
Whatever you wish to call it, sunnah or seera or hadiths or whatever else, they will mess with your _siratal mustaqeem_ ...
and no matter if you wish to relate this _word of man attributed to the prophet_ simply as *"historical info"* , it will also mess you up and lead you astray.
The *history of Islam* began with the creation of the universe and has absolutely nothing to do with what the so-called Arab companions of the prophets did or say all those years ago.
Everything you need to educate yourself is within the verses of the Quran.
Here is a thought... people like Lesley Terberesy argue over _"word of man"_ with other _"word of man"_ and even after they manage to _"prove"_ the other sect to be wrong... but yet they still hang on to the bits and pieces of religious rituals invented by their ancestors!
They still believe that going up & down less number of times than the sectarians or going hungry during the daytime in the ninth lunar month are "commandments from their version of Allah" or pinching the top of their noses while uttering _"magical spells"_ impersonating as _"duaa"_ actually draws them closer to their version of Allah.
Poor lost misguided souls whose hearts, minds, hearing & sight have been sealed shut by the Allah of the Quran... because they study the word of man as the word of Allah.
@@shukriyusof2104 Salam Shukri. I recommend you study the story of Dawud in surah Saad about the judgement he made over the نعجة disagreement. There is a lot of wisdom in it and I wonder what your thoughts are about the story as a whole and especially the last sentence of the story ... Just before he fell into prostration?
@@Shaima_Yacoub salam Shaima... and I highly recommend that you list the verse numbers from this surah because I am very sure you are either confused or do not understand the Quran.
Are you aware that the Arabic word used in verse 38:24 is "rukuuk" and NOT "sujjud?":
38:24 He said, "Certainly, he has wronged you by demanding your ewe to his ewes. And indeed, many of the partners certainly oppress some of them [on] another except those who believe and do righteous deeds and few (are) they." And became certain Dawood that We (had) tried him, and he asked forgiveness (of) his Lord and _RAAKI'AN_ ( رَاكِعًا ) and turned in repentance.
It is embarrassingly obvious that you have either been misguided or have misunderstood the "wisdom" embedded in this surah and verses.
So, please let us know what you think or have been taught about the "wisdom" from this surah/verse.
peace.
@@shukriyusof2104 😳 whatever happened to kindness 3:159?? Wasn't trying to attack you. You seem like a deep thinker with good insights to offer. Am genuinely curious as to your thoughts on these verses. I didn't even share my take yet before you quickly judged... Kind of like the error outlined in these exact ayas themselves....
Yes essentially Dawud HUMBLED himself, realized his error and fell into a state of SUBMISSION asking Allah for forgiveness.
What was his error is the question? There's a lot to unpack and ponder in these verses 38:21-24. Let's explore the parameters of his error. He misjudged no doubt. But in regards to WHAT exactly?
1. Did he misjudge and side with 1 نعجة party wrongfully which made HIM a خالط?
2. Did he judge correctly in siding with 1 نعجة party but MISJUDGE regarding the خالط status of the 99 نعجة party?
3. Did he misjudge about the خالط status of 99 نعجة guy which CONSEQUENTLY made him misjudge the نعجة ownership?
Another question that naturally stems from this thought process is who is the speaker of the passage beginning from و إن كثيرا من الخلطات
1. Is it Allah (deeming dawud as a خالط for this incorrect judgement)
2. Is it dawud (deeming 99 نعجة guy a خالط wrongfully)
3. Is it a statement of truth confirmed by Allah and ALSO held by Dawud but mischaracterised? (Which can mean that the statement is in fact truth about خلطاء but that instead of 99 camel guy deserving this categorization as Dawud may have assumed, it is in fact Dawud who might have displayed it) ?
It's left open for us to think. Curious about your own thoughts.
For me, what I have taken from these verses is to be careful about deeming an individual or individuals as a خالط or خلطاء. We can and should forbid evil and enjoin what is good, call people towards an anchorage in the Quran... but categorization is with Allah because it's a state of the heart. I personally have had trouble with this. After the gift from Allah of being able to see matters with more clarity it's sometimes hard not to start resenting the people on their insistant adherance to misguidance. Reminding myself that I was once just like them always helps.
A خالط is someone who mixes two or more things unjustifiably and wrongfully in this context. خلطاء is the plural meaning two or more people who do this. Mixing truth with falsehood applies. "Partners" as you have found it translated is not an appropriate translation.
Food for thought!
Peace 🕊️
Salam bro... as long as you keep hold of this belief... 04:08 sec... _"what I believe about those Traditions is that they have some truth in them..."_ your heart, mind, hearing and sight will forever be sealed by Allah.
Do you know how the Quran describes and defines a _Mushrik?_
6:121 And (do) not eat of that, not has been mentioned (the) name (of) Allah on it, and indeed, it (is) grave disobedience. And indeed, the devils inspire to their friends so that they dispute with you, and if you obey them, indeed, you be the _mushrikun._
So, *if you obey them, indeed, you be the **_mushrikun._*
The "them" is:
a.) Allah
b.) mankind?
Are your Traditions from:
a.) Allah
b.) mankind?
The Quran is easy... don't anybody want to understand it?
salam.
Salaam my dear brother Shukri,
May Allah bless you and your family. Brother, taking these 'traditions' as historical information does NOT mean that we take them as revelation! Nor do we take them as guidance or as legislation. For example, the statement which Ghandi made: "you must be the change you wish to see in the world". Is there no truth in this statement whatsoever?? If yes, then do we accept this as Wahi, guidance, legislation, authority from Allah?? Obviously not! Likewise, this is how I view the so-called Islamic traditions bro.
Unfortunately, there are numerous traditions that contain legislative information such as killing someone for commiting apostacy or adultery. Do I take these as revelation / legislation from Allah? Absolutely NOT!! If we had OBEYED these types of traditions, then yes indeed we would be MUSHRIKS!! The prophet wouldn't dare say anything contrary to what Allah revealed to him!
There are indeed some (perhaps very few) hadiths that show prophet Muhammad (a.s) enthasizing the Verses of Allah to his people in his own words such as the statement:
"Give in charity, even if it is half a date-fruit"
Is there no truth in this statement whatsoever?? The idea that Muhammad only recited Quranic Verses and said NOTHING else his whole life is absurd. Like when the Qur'an commands the prophet and the beleivers to fight, didn't the prophet guide/instruct them to the battle field? Did he not give them certain commands or instructions on how / when / where to fight?
The problem is that these traditions have been upgraded/promoted to the level of revelation and this is where the sheikhs/imams have fooled the masses with their lies. The Qur'an is the ONLY source of revelation, authority, legislation, and guidance from Allah - period!
May Allah help us 😢
Peace
@@negeto2460 Salam bro... okay... let us put your argument in its proper perspective when you wrote, _"For example, the statement which Ghandi made: "you must be the change you wish to see in the world". Is there no truth in this statement whatsoever??_
But here is the thing... is that _'statement"_ a *historical information about Hindu culture/religion?*
No... of course not!
At best, it is something that was supposed to have been said by someone which is neither fact nor *historical information of the culture/religion* !
@@negeto2460 salam, bro... you quoted a hadiths that said, _""Give in charity, even if it is half a date-fruit"_
And then you posed the question; _"Is there no truth in this statement whatsoever??"_
Once again you are comparing apples to oranges...
Even if there is any truth in that statement... did he actually say it?
Even if he did say it... is it *a historical information on the Arab culture/religion?*
What does the Quran, i.e. Islam, say about _giving_ and charity?
2:219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say, "There is great sin in them, and also some benefit for humankind. The sin is greater than the benefit." *They ask you what they should contribute. Say, "Whatever you can possibly give."* Thus God makes signs clear to you so that you might think about.
Since the verse ended with _"Thus God makes signs clear to you so that you might think about."_ , let us now ponder on the part where it says *"Whatever you can possibly give."*
Now... if all that you could give a just _"half a date-fruit"_ isn't it obvious that you needed it more than the person you are giving it to? So, you are not in a position to give/spend/donate. No harm in that! However, if I were part of the clergy... then I would definitely try to squeeze every drop from the gullible sheeples with this hadiths!
The verse does NOT say *"sacrifice"* does it?
It says "to spend/give/donate!"
So, without any shadow of doubt, I can conclude that the prophet could not have uttered such a blasphemous statement.
However, those well-to-do people who lived after his demise would welcome such a statement because they could justify their miserly, parsimonious nature by giving/donating/spending a whole lot less than what they could afford to give/spend/donate!
Can you not SEE it that believing in even one single "tradition" is blasphemous?
Okay... you attempted to justify your argument by hypothesizing, _" The idea that Muhammad only recited Quranic Verses and said NOTHING else his whole life is absurd."_
Before anything else... Who gave you the idea that "Muhammad" only recited the Quranic verses?
Just like all hadiths-believing folk, either partially or wholly, you put words in our mouths to help you justify your love for the Hadiths.
Why is it so difficult for you people to let go of ALL the Hadiths?
Are you aware by doing so... your hearts, minds, hearing and sight are sealed shut by Allah himself... hence you won't be able to understand the easy, clear Quran.
Make the Quran the center of your learning-universe!
@@shukriyusof2104 He's not saying hadiths or historical accounts are guidance. You are putting up straw man to be honest. He makes a clear distinction between what is revealed (guidance) and what is from outside of revelation (traditions) is up for debate and discussion and not to be taken as guidance from Allah as revealed to the messenger.
What exactly do you have a problem with here? 🤔
@@darfvaderr2191 thank you for your comments brother Darf. Brother Shukri is a genuine Qur'an loving individual who is extremely cautious about how we view traditions that have been attributed to the deen of Allah. He never fails to impress with his thought provoking questions and is a true believer Alhmdulillah! May Allah keep us all on the straight path.
The sectarians think the Qur’an is a singing book.
Btw, you can recite the Qur’an melodiously, but the QURAN IS A MUST when it comes to rulings.
Exactly rite! They prefer their Hadeeth books over the Qur'an.