What Is The Best USED Porsche To Buy In 2023???
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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2023
- In this video i talk about which used Porsche you should buy in 2023, they all have issues but which Porsche makes the most sense to own ???
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Driving my 2000 996-4 since 2015 with 140.000 miles only in European winter. Great car. Apart from regular maintenance, which I’m doing myself, I had a broken radiator. So cost wise my cheapest car so far. I’m 61 so I had a few. 😊
Pbly an early 2000 car with heavy dual row bearing and Porsche of old philosophy about durability. Good for you!
Nice. I didn’t know they had Porsche in europe
Mine is a 987 Cayman 2.7l. I don't loose any sleep with the bore scoring issues. Bulletproof engine.
21 almost 22 years old, became a large Porsche enthusiast through my dad and going to the track with him through the PCA. Hoping to buy a 996/997.1 one day and find one that's manual and is in somewhat good condition.. this video provided me with a lot of information and insight so thank you!
Been driving my 1985 3.2 carrera for 12 years now. Around 145k miles on her and still runs perfect. No engine or transmission rebuild and just basic maintenance that I have done myself.
My 84 car has +- 155k miles and only a transmission rebuild. It don't use any oil and just sound great. How I like the modern cars I keep my old classic.
The Porsche to get right now is the 996 turbo. And it might sound crazy but get one with roughly 100k miles. They are available for roughly $40k right now. You can drive it for 4 years and put 50k miles on it. Then with 150k miles you will be able to sell it for roughly the same price you paid for it.
More like 50-55k for manual
You're talking pre-COVID prices.. they're not as far behind the 997 T's as they used to be....
In Australia, they're selling for over $150k. Better off with a 981 GTS and some change
Great video! Very informative and that helped me out on knowledge on those Porsches .. thanks
Picked up an '08 Cayman two years ago with 60,000 miles. Love the car, is a joy to drive, and only bill it's thrown at me so far is an AC compressor.
996 turbo and 997 turbo: bullet proof engines!
NO question - 996 turbo with some miles and keep it forever - slam dunk!
997 turbo s. Hydraulic steering and still smaller but more refined on the interior and exterior, plus overall looks and performance demolish the 996
The interior breaks the spell ngl
I have Porsche 987.2 pdk with 168 000 km with all service records. Awesome car handling very good. I would recommend. Hydraulic steering awesome you feel everything
Agreed. Had mine for years. Use it every day
@@er98ah ludicrous comparison. Double the price
2003 996 going on 7 years 83,000 miles on the Odometer. Very few issues so far. IMSB was done before my purchase. I did do a clutch and RMS but that's not all that bad for 7 years of ownership for a 20 year old 911.
The 996 & 997 turbos and GT cars are solid.
I have a 987.1 2.7 5 speed bought it with 92xxx and I’m now at 142xxx I absolutely still love this thing.
Thx for your videos and appears you are very through & good at what you do. I had a 996 turbo stick sold with 23K miles never had any problems now have a 997.1 turbo with 36K & Tiptronic no problems so far. I love the 997.1 & 997.2 turbos.
Good honest advice, big thanks!
I used to have a 2008 997 gen 1.5 turbo tip…..Awesome car.
I now have a 2014 981 Cayman GTS manual, another great car 👌🏻
Legend, love the honesty.
You mentioned shipping the engines out for work being much cheaper. Can you share what shops you use or make a video about the process for doing that.
thanks for making up my mind! 1999- 2001 996 it is!
Excellent synopsis. I have a southern 2008 manual 911S with 67000 miles. I love the car! So far, there are no issues. But you are absolutely correct... in the back of my mind I am thinking of what, when and how to potential problems.
A lot of these videos put an unnecessary scare into people! Drive the crap out of it, and enjoy it! But be sure to perform routine maintenance requirements! Porsches are high quality machines! With a little love, the tend to last a long time!
We brought a 2000 986 with 70k miles from San Diego back to the Midwest about five years ago. Thru dumb luck, it's been a trouble free daily driver getting ready to turn 100k miles this summer.
Thanks for the video. Not certain what you recommended. A 991 or 992 for $100K? Does the new engine in the 2009-2012 997 series engine also face bore scoring?
Thank you. Great advice from a true expert. Really appreciate your video.
I’ll try to be brief and succinct. Please anyone jump in and comment as I’m not Porsche expert. I’ve been doing a lot of research and this is what I’ve learned: For the purpose of this narrative there are generally different generations of Porsche engines: #1. Air cooled engines until Model Year (MY) 1998 #2. Introduction of water-cooled engines MY 1998 to 2011. #3. Refined water-cooled engines MY 2012 to 2018. Lastly, #4 MY 2019 to Present. COATINGS: #1. Nikasil coating used on air-cooled engines. #2. Lokasil/Alusil used on water cooled engines up to MY 2018. #3.SUMEbore used in engines MY 2019 and later. SUMEbore is expensive and is a game changer. It does away with old cross hatch honing that’s been used forever. It uses a plasma tool to create porosity in the cylinder liners which are microns in size. After the plasma tool a second tool is used to re-surface the cylinder walls. What is known to date: Nikasil was a more robust coating than Lokasil. Seemingly air-cooled engines didn’t have bore-scoring with Nikasil. 2. Lokasil was used on 996/997 and bore-scoring is problematic, especially in cooler climates. Lastly, SUMEbore on late model Porsches. Can anyone provide more information on SUMEBore???? Based upon my research the most logical path forward for me is to purchase a 2020 or later Porsche. I cannot rationalize buying an older Porsche for 60K and putting anther 20K into it. Thoughts?????????
I owned a 987.1. Loved it. Getting ready to buy another Porsche. First choice is 981 which is last normally aspirated base or S. Second choice if I want to save some money is 987.2. I see these cars as critical to this discussion.
981 has EPS.. I'd go .2 all day
I just picked up a 2013 981 2.7 PDK with 55k miles really well
Maintained I’m super happy with my purchase
In your comments you keep saying 996 or 997 but there is a huge distinction between 997.1 and 997.2 . The 9a1 engine is much better then the M97 engine. You need to be more clear for the people who are new to Porsche. I would have purchased a 997.1 if it had not been for a friend of mine who had two M96 engine grenade. Plus the PCM 3.0 system was a huge improvement over the 2.0 system.
I agree. I have a 997.1 which is in great shape with no issues, but the .2 has the better power plant and really is in a different class altogether even though the cars are basically the same in other aspects. The .2 engine changes everything!
@@aboyandhisdog Didn't the 997.2 have problems with carbon buildup though? Was that already the DFI engine?
Apart from that, most M96-engines I saw give up the ghost were those with low mileage. The engine wants to be used, driven. When you don't move the car, it starts to develop problems. Constant movement, and constant maintenance is the key to longetivity.
@@Kommunisator Yep, the .2 is a DFI engine and they can be prone to carbon on the intake valves. There are ways to minimize this risk and this condition isn't unique to Porsche. I think it can affect all DFI engines.
As to the M96.05 and the M97 engines in the .1 cars only about 4-7% +- are affected by scoring and far fewer, if any, have IMS issues. The IMS in the 997's, apart from a very few in early production, were an internal (non servicable) bearing and was very robust and not an issue. I think the best thing you can do is to drive the cars regularly, keep the revs under 22-2800 or so when cold, and drive enough that the oil gets hot for a period of time. I don't drive for short trips if the car is cold. And of course, change the oil at 5k miles, check the filter for bits, etc.
I don't fret about my car at all, but with all of the conflab online about bore scoring, it is always in the back of my mind and something I never want to deal with. So I do all I can to assure I never have issues.
@@aboyandhisdog absolutely correct. I think a lot of cars get damaged when the owners pull them from winter storage, having only seasonal plates on them, and then want "to show friends what it can do" without first changing the oil and giving the car some time to warm up properly. This is important, not only for a turbo, but also a naturally aspirated high powered car, especially with a Boxer engine.
Mine uses a bit of oil, the big problem was the air-oil-separator. If that gets damaged, stop. Just stop the car. It will burn all of its oil in a few kilometers, and then the engine is toast. (looked like a James Bond smokescreen behind mine)
Also, a lot of "damaged engines" that got new cylinder inserts weren't damaged at all, only the oil/water cooler was corroded through. A good flushing and re-filling would've solved all problems, but letting the customer pay 15.000€ for an engine overhaul is a far better prospect for some businesses than just getting a tenth of that for some replacements and a good system flush.
I've seen blocks with steel cylinder liners, where those liners weren't properly inserted and started to wander, damaging the block beyond repair later.
@@Kommunisator that’s literally what my mec told me last time I took my 996.2 for maintenance “ you have to drive this car so it doesn’t develop issues”
Thank you, you are the last honest and logical thinking Porsche advisor.
Thanks Nathan, glad I saw some of your videos on the topic, know I have the information to buy a 911 if I would like. If I am I need one with the engine done and pay more.
I’ve upgraded from a 986S to a 987 and now 987S, and couldn’t agree more. Huge amount of car for the money
Thank you. Great video. 991 is good to know
If I was lucky enough to have my Porsche I would want Nathan as my mechanic. Good information. Wow.
Had my 996 c4s nearly 14 years ,no intention of selling still looks stunning and plenty fast enough
Same car 👍
You can’t lump 997 with 996. The 997.2 (09-12) is a perfect car. I’ve owned mine for 10 years and drive it regularly. No ims issues. I also own an 86 3.2.
So if Im looking at a 911S I can play it "safer" by looking at 2009-2012 years? Thks
Completely agree. I have owned both 997.1 & 997.2 with zero issues. I’ve always tried to buy the very best car I can and kept to the 3.6 which I believe leads a quieter life. Keep off 3.8 s with Chrono pack seems to be the market wisdom as these have more than likely been on track days and visits to the Nurburgring.
@@MasterArmedforces yes. The series 2 are pretty much bullet proof. But these are cars which need regular maintenance and when you come to suspension rebuilds etc, these are big bills. And then they just keep driving as tight and as sure as when the came out of the factory.
987.1 2.7 Boxster/Cayman: Less than 1% IMS failure rate (2006+ models), no significant bore scoring issues, typical maintenance items - many of which can be done by the owner. Selling prices between $20K-$35K for decent mileage examples. Great value for such a well balanced, great handling car…!
2006 boxster s, so far so good,!!lucky, every day user 1 owner, well maintained, Got it 2019, fix replaced, things expected after 15 years, no major issues. Changed oil once ,alligood no debris in filter, doing change 2nd time 2023. Hopefully all good . Peace.
You've changed oil twice in four years? 😬
Gen 2 997 or 987 with the DFI engine would resolve any worries of bore scoring and IMS problems, plus an upgraded PCM. I'm lucky enough to have a Cayman R, I decided to spend the extra on the newer DFI, rather than worry about paying the extra on an engine re-build. Same engines as the newer 981 & 991 but with analogue steering.
How would I find one in classifieds? 2012 years ?
Pretty surprised he didn't point that out. Big difference between gen 1 and gen 2.
@@isaac666_ 2009-2011
Surprised he did not elaborate on the most important aspect being the introduction of the DFI engine which solves all of the engine problems and the PDK issues are also not frequent as some say. I have owned the 997.2 Carrera S PDK for a while now and it’s absolutely trouble free. Also most importantly the last of the smaller bodied cars which makes them special for sure.
@@LC-rj6ok So if Im looking at a 911S I can play it "safer" by looking at 2009-2012 years? Thks
Interesting perspective. So happy with my 981 S.
Fun Fact: Metzger engined Porsches (the turbos) didn’t have IMS or bore scoring issues.
Wish I could afford on of those Turbos, true future classics with that engine! Same with the GT3 I believe.
Bought my lowish miles (2005 with 39k miles at the time) 997.1 C2S Manual (first Porsche) from a Porsche specialist here in the UK just over 2 years ago so it’s had all the checks for bore score, IMS etc done. Engine sounds sweet but I avoid short trips, keep the revs low until it’s fully warmed up and have the oil changed every 12 months even though it’s only a weekend/fun car but gets used all year. No garage either but I look after it as best I can apart from that. The independent Porsche service I use actually drain the oil, refill, run, drain then fill again to completely clean it out. Can’t do much more than what I’m doing to prevent bore scoring but if it happens, it happens.
Thank you you're doing what none of these Porsche reviewers won't do and that's the 986 is a cheap car because it had a ton of issues.
New to channel. What about the air cooled 964 and 993?
Where did you send your block to get the sleeves done, (you mentioned out country) ???
Which gen is the first where you don’t have bore scoring problems?
thanks for your vid...i have a quick question for you. I have a 2006 Cayman S (987) with 78k miles. Runs great! do you think I should be concerned with Bore Scoring, now that i have more miles on the car?
I appreciate your vids. thanks.
If you are afraid of it you die 1000 deaths, just enjoy it. Driving it hard will prevent it in most cases. Sunday idling will kill it.
I've really been debating a 981 cayman s vs a 997.2 or 997.2 s
Your input is just nice to hear
Buy the Cayman unless you need the extra seats.
I'm really happy with my 981 Cayman S PDK. It had 32k on it when I bought it, and it's got about 42k now. The only thing I've had to get fixed was a warning message on the dash about a PADM, which was shorted internally. Luckily that fell under CPO warranty. The first oil change at 38k I had sent off to Blackstone Laboratories for analysis and the results came back really clean compared to engines of the same type, and at a typical interval of about 3800 miles. I drive it at least once a week, and a lot more when it's nice outside. Absolutely love it, I hope it lasts a long time. I plan on putting a lot of miles on it.
At what mileage did the PADM fail? How much did you pay to get it fixed?
Got one too. And had the SAME FAULT, lol.. Nothing else wrong.
Had 32k miles now 58k
@@chrisgerarddelossantos2103it didn't fail. It was a fault.
I have had a 987 3.2 Boxster for four years now. It’s rock solid. Great car.
Buy a 944 Turbo S or a 968……. GREAT car that easily maintained by Porsche standards and it’s sorta a DIY Porsche.
Buy a mid miles 996. Run it enjoy it. Once hits high miles rebuild the engine and drive it again. Total costs will still be less than a new one if you could buy one for msrp.
Every gas engine will need to be rebuilt in its life. Some sooner than others and the more high performance the more it costs
Where would I go to buy panels for the rear trunk area?
Bought an unloved and salvage titled 996 Carrera several years ago. No issues. Car has been amazing. Engine is strong, and has over 120,000 miles on it now. Just got a gold star Blackstone oil analysis back on it. I drive it everywhere, including on track. You aren't necessarily going to have problems if you buy an old 996. These are generally great cars, built with great care, and ready to deliver lots of miles and fun. Numbers don't lie, and 70% of all 911s ever built are still on the road, and the 996 was one of the most popular, and sold in very high numbers. If you listen to this guy you would think buying a 996 was a guaranteed future of catastrophic engine failure and financial ruin. Just not the case.
I had mine repainted last year, and even with the cost of a full glass out respray, my total cost in this 911 is less than a bad condition 997. Buy what you want and what you can afford, but if all you can afford is a 996, go ahead and get one. You might regret it sure, but you might regret anything you decide to do, and more likely than not you will love it. If the engine blows just V8 swap it and have more fun.
Also I like the GT1 headlights, they look good. Also 997s look like VW Beetles, ya I said it.
once you see it (beetle) you can't unsee it, that's why I 've put a deposit down on a 996.2 carrera 2 manual
Hell yeah brother!
When i bought my '99 996 6-spd in 2003 it had about 30k miles and I needed great air-conditioning (Florida) so the 993 was already out of the running. As soon as I bought it the clutch needed replacing almost immediately due to the previous owner and it had the RMS leak so I had both fixed at the same time, seems like it was around $3k. Then the coolant tank sprung a leak and I replaced that for around $200. Then I daily drove it for almost 20 yrs and after 113,000 miles on it with the only major unexpected event (non-maintenance) being the air-oil separator for like $1400? water pump 1x, the alternator 1x, engine mounts 1x, key switch 1x, oh.. and the window regulator which I changed myself 2x during ownership (annoying!)
The car ran great, never smoked, didnt use oil between changes, etc etc etc. It was a very reliable car that I didnt baby at all, daily driver in all weather, some deferred maintenance (brake fluid!) and I knew even back in like 2005 that the internet hand-wringing was probably overblown but yeah there were probably people who had issues with them. However my experience was rock solid, just a fantastically fun and cheap car (bought for 39k and insurance totaled for flood at 26k 20 yrs later). Usually buying the first year (1999) of a model is not a good idea but the dual row bearing in the first year may have been the key to keeping me a Porsche fan and repeat buyer.
Bonus is that at this point you're only a few months from getting the cool 'antique' tag in some states!
I'd buy another if I hadnt gone for a 991.1 tts.
good analysis,thanks, very happy with my 981 base boxster with PDK "most obedient vehicle I have ever owned''
Thanks for the advice I'm glad I didn't get to in debt for a 2003 996 😎🏎️
What’s your take on the 718 Cayman/boxster?
What's interesting is every time someone buys a used Porsche, the first conversation is about " preventive maintenance" and when folks buy a used Mazda MX5 the only conversation is what upgrades they are considering never talking about all the issues mentioned in this vlog concerning used Porsches.
That's not really how most porsche owner conversations go: if your primary reason for buying is price then it might. If you're concerned with price and you get a cheap one or an old one then yes those people have to talk about maintenance. For the people who can actually afford these cars and aren't as concerned they will pay 3x the miata but have a better and more reliable car. This kind of conversation is a symptom of trying to buy a luxury/high end sports car for miata money. That doesn't work 99% of the time.
@@mattyp3119 ...to add regardless of price to my concern. Two of my friends had this happen, one has a new GT3 and at 16k miles blew the engine. Of course it was replaced under warranty but what if? The other person just last week returned his 2022 911 back to Porsche cause during his only 3 months of ownership it was at the dealer 2 months for electrical problems. He only had the car a couple weeks in his garage. He got his $228k back and will consider another brand. Again this is just what effects my consideration of an investment.
@@DarkstarDarthdamn thats crazy, very unusual considering porsche is in the top 5 typically of any brand in terms of reliability.
And a beautifully cooked Filet Mignon is more expensive and takes a bit more skill time and attention than a Big Mac. I'll take the Filet....
One guy has a Porsche and the other guy has a Mazda.
What is the company you refer to for over seas? Olin the process of tearing my 987 apart
What are your thoughts on a 2014 cayman s manual? Is this a good madel
I have a 2005 987 Boxster manual. I don't have had big issues but quite a lot small ones. I'm now looking for a good solution for my catalys. The inside came loose. Should I buy a used one from ebay or try to have it rebuild?
944. Just got one. I get more attention in that car then any other Porsche I've been in.
Also have a 981 6 speed 😊😊
If I wanted to stay under $40k, and i'd be looking for a sunday cruiser, convertible, fun to drive but not necessarily needing insane power (i have an EV for that), what would you recommend?
I own a 2012 911 997.2 Carrera S with 30K miles., would you share your thoughts on these later models and pricing?
Why no commentary in the 991’s? Any major problems on them, I haven’t heard any (IMS, bore scoring) so that’s why I bought a 991.1 manual, 2015.
I like to know your thoughts on the 991.1 gen. Thanks!
Great video again:) interesting the price difference in the USA to the UK. I thought they were expensive here! 🤣
I opted for a 981S over a 997 to benefit from newer engine development, eliminating the fear of IMS and bore score. 991 same benefits.
Me too!
Could have got the Gen 2 997 0r 981, if you preferred the older looks and analogue feel.
hey man they just found out you can program the gt3 steering into the 981 module to make itfeel alot better EPS. You might want to look into it it's a free mod with piwis3
@@LC-rj6ok Alright I cant find the true information - do 997.2 carrera and carrera S have the bore scoring problem, because some comments claim they don't and some videos claim they do?!
I have a 2000 C2 Cab. Did the IMS, AOS, oil cooler and the Variocams were checked and the pads, solenoids and chains were changed. Now I hope I have piece of mind for a while but I’m already itching about upgrading!. 😮
Where are you sending your engines to get resleeved?
I'm interested on your thoughts of 996 /997 turbos vs 991/992 Carrera S?
Thanks for the reality check.
4 years ago I purchased a 987.1 CS with 14k miles on it for 28k with a 71k build sheet (had many extras). I am at 52k miles. LOVE IT!!!! I do my oil changes and break pad changes....It is WAY less expensive than I ever imagined. I am going to do the surpentine belt soon.. YOU TUBE MECHANIC!!!
Very interesting video. I live in the UK and have recently purchased a 997.2 PDK Carrera 2 in Black with Black. It’s a 2010 car and has just ticked over to 50,000 miles. Full Porsche History and I paid £37k for it. I’d be interested to know if you think that was a good purchase? I did do a fair bit of research prior to buying it and am aware that the gen 2 997’s are much more reliable and as I was more keen on an auto, I new the PDK would be more popular than the previous tiptronic gearbox. Thanks in advance of your feedback. Kind Regards, Simon.
Please see my reply above, 997.2 if bought carefully, in my opinion is a sound investment.
Interesting content Nathan.... still waiting for more M5 content hope you don't give it up
Thank you , I sold my 1982 911 SC when my daughter was born, every day I cry, lmy daughter has cost me 100,000 plus, waaaaaa. always loved the 911, ran it at Sebring with Porsche club, good times. Still nothing runs like a 911, period end of story IMHO, but the deep pockets it's like going threw two bad divorces at the same time. Thanks Nathan you help me with my BMW, much appreciated Cheers. Pops Fl
I got 4th 996 and two 986 and never had ims, issues and everything you mentioned.
Replaced seals on spark plug tubes, engine mounts, AOS , that’s it , also I do regular oil change
After your “professional “ advice it’s better to buy Kia
Nathan, can you do a video on the 928?
Facts. I’m out on the 9A1 that many think is the epitome of NA mid range Porsche experience. My 997.2 Targa 4S mt was on its 3rd motor (66k miles) when I sold it in ‘22. Had a powertrain warranty replacement and the long-block cost from Porsche was $27k with new injectors.
F that. I’m shopping 991.2s when the market cools off.
997.2 👌
1995 Porsche 993 turbo. Such an awesome car.
This really pumps me up for getting an old porsche jajaja
996 Turbo -X50 hands down
Been driving my 996c4s for 11 years, 58000 miles, spent the 5g and did the IMS and clutch, ..never had a problem
Does the 997.2 have bore score issues as well?
1:38 - I'm really surprised to hear that the older early 996 doesn't have bore scoring issues. Is this why I heard that these early cars are quite collectible? And also, surprised you didn't mentioned the 997.2 doesn't have bore scoring issues. Or do they still? Thx for a great in sight though.
Boy this guy is a bundle of joy
981 Cayman S is a dream to drive. I find just about any reason to take it out for a drive.
Damn….this is an incredibly valuable video. My story? I’m in the “end game” of my 60s. When I turned 50, that year coincided with the year I was promoted in the Navy, to O6. One of my early XOs, after his divorce, bought a beautiful white 944S2 Cabriolet. When I first saw it on the pier in Norfolk, one sunny Virginia day, I fell in love (the car dammit, nit the XO. Focus! Focus!). So jump ahead, I turn 50, and sew in my fourth gold stripe, and my wife tired of me whining about wanting a Porsche. By then, rear ending Porsches were out of my range….and I kept coming back to that 944 cab…and found one. A very low mileage, all records, Baltic Blue with full leather “linen” interior. I still have that beauty….and now living in New England, she is stored six months of the year. She gets compliments EVERYTIME we go out….but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit to at least some 911 envy….maybe even a Boxster S. And right now, my still low mileage, (barely 68k on the clock) all services, everything works 944s2 is bringing silly money. But….approaching 70….maybe I’m better off believing that “the devil you know, is better than the one that you don’t”. Bravo-Zulu, we’ll done sir….this was indeed, a very informative video. I no longer have the patience, tools or workspace, to turn my own wrench. So your information in this video is invaluable….at least to me. And sadly, so true about younger people and manual transmissions. I forced all my three kids to learn on a shift stick. We (my wife and I) felt that doing so, kept their attention on driving, versus their damned iPhones! Thank you, sir!
You didn’t really talk about the major differences between 997.1 and .2 outside of the PDK. It’s a completely different engine. No IMS issues and far less bore scoring. It’s always good idea to do a detailed PPI and scope the bores. With a good inspection and maintenance history plus check ECU Rev numbers you can feel better about getting that affordable 997.2.
Jup, completely missed that in this video
Yes there is a significant difference
.2's have bore scoring issues as well.. just not as much or documented, well because there just aren't as many .2's running around.. but even 991.1's with the 9A1 have bore scoring..
Nathan, This is my favorite show you've ever done. And I've watched a lot. I felt like you were talking to your brother, straight up and in plain terms.
I'm lucky - I've got a 25 year old Boxster that only has 32,000 miles on it and it just goes and goes. So far ..... Really enjoyed this show. Jim in Denver
987.2 Cayman S is the BEST one to buy.
Period
Is it $20k better than a base 987.1??
A few videos ago you mentioned oil pump improvements to help prevent bore scoring. What other preventative measures for bore scoring?
A personal opinion...I believe bad injectors...wash down cyl walls, also I think 3.4 pistons are tougher mat than 3.6 pistons
One thing that can help that is easy...warm the car up. Drive off right away,but keep it under 3k rpms until oil is warmed up. Then don't baby it. If you warm it up on idle for 10 min still keep it under 3k rpms for couple minutes to run the oil through. Also,you have to drive it for like 20 minutes because you warmed the car up on idle and all the gasses are stuck inside. The gasses have to be expelled through the exhaust,a 20 minute ride will do that. The reason some of these generations had these problems is because porsche was struggling during the mid to late 90s so they cut costs. Only the turbos and gt3 cars got the coating that protected the engine from boar scoring. The reason no porsches previously had this is issue is cause porsche wasn't cutting that cost. They stopped cutting costs with the 991 models.
Opinion on the 991.1?
Should have mentioned that the phase 2 engines for 987 have no bore scoring and are way better.
Thanks
how about mid engine compared to the 992 ?
So, as someone that is only looking to buy a car if I'm keeping it forever (yeah, I know, life happens, but it's the goal to not sell), can drive and prefer manual, and is partial to Caymans, what is the calculus on used Caymans? I'm probably a few years out from being able to afford a new one, but I do worry about them moving away from gas powered Caymans because of all the regulations happening around the world.
I'll keep my 991.2. Bulletproof and Cobb tune. Same performance as a 992 S.
I bought a 958(Cayenne) it was on the higher end of my budget, but I am alot happier with it than the 955/957s I was looking at. 20,000 miles on it since purchase and no issues, other than age related issues...Tires, plugs, etc.
How reliable is the 718 cayman S ? Thinking of buying a slightly used one but worried about the reliability since it’s turbocharged
No worries IF you ask me
These price values are bonkers.
It has been a bit more than 25 years since I built my last 914, a 73 1.8 that I paid $800 with a occasionally functioning Bosch EFI.
I rectified engine issues by replacing the problematic Type IV and quadrupling the power with a turbocharged Type I, and a 915 conversion with LSD.
I installed 916 flares, 911/944 brake components, aftermarket suspension, interior refresh with Sheel seats, Momo wheels and a complete panel off respray in Bahia Red - L30E.
I enjoyed this vehicle for years, selling it to buy our home in 2003.
Frustrating to think of the market value in today's hyper pricing.
I included in the sale all original parts I had removed.
They sold 175000 996s and they are all 20 to 30 years old. If they are all bombs they would be all in junkyards by now. The prices are going up on these cars because if they are maintained well they ARE reliable and as Nattie himself says, more reliable than their German alternatives. No reputable shop says they all bore score. Weird statement to make. He's right when he says that they are expensive to repair if they aren't well maintained before you get hold of them. But there's a well documented path to success with these cars and the rising market prices reflect this.
What about a low miles (20K) 2015 991.1?
Yes boys. I have a 996 turbo manny. Hard to go wrong. And I am rolling the dice. I have a 987 Cayman S. But, it’s from warm HI so I think I’m good. 65k on the clock. Manny as well. And another roll. I just picked up a 970 Panamera turbo with the ceramics for cheap. High miles. Let her ride. Cheers.