Ben and Karen Explain Their Past Beef with Chess.com
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Clip from the [10-21-2022] Stream with Ben and Karen
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This is the first time I’ve seen Karen actually get angry lol
Arent karens always angry 🤣🤷♀️
that's a karen for you
Karen isn't a Karen. Also, if you've never seen her angry, you haven't been here very long.
Really? Karen was angry?
Karen definitely has the voice of a Karen but lacking the temperament
You've got to respect Ben and Karen, because they don't kowtow to anyone. They've got their opinions and stances and they're going to stick to them, regardless.
Keep speaking truth to power.
Exactly, we need people like them who are fearless. We cannot always keep our opinions to ourselves just cuz we’re afraid that it may offend others. EVERY opinion will offend at least a few people. That’s inevitable.
LOL, they're utter hypocrites. Ben & Karen keep acting holier-than-thou, attacking chesscom for being a for-profit (oh no, how awful! 🤣) business, but then give no good reason for their association with chesscom. They admit their morals aren't so high and mighty because it benefits them, so they retain the association.
And then they attack Danny Rensch for the silliest of reasons. If you turn down a commentating gig when chesscom need you, then Rensch/chesscom are perfectly entitled to say they might not be inclined to hire you for commentary again in the future. But they're bitter about not getting the chesscom commentary cash (that they were denouncing a couple of mins before).
I like Ben and Karen, and I like watching their streams, but speaking truth to power is one of the few things they don’t do
Even if all the evidence indicates that they are wrong?
Lichess is looking good this time of year...
Always has
75 % of the time on lichess your playing a Bot.
@@kevinjohnsonel9889 nope
@@kevinjohnsonel9889 that’s absurd
@@kevinjohnsonel9889 no
The top 3 reasons why I like Ben streaming and commenting:
1. He is a damn fine chess player, commenter and communicator
2. He is funny as hell
3. He literally doesn't give a fuck
Naka also doesn't care. He really doesn't
Plus I agree with most of his takes and that makes me feel good about myself…. 😅
Meanwhile Nakamura does the Botez Gambit Speedrun which combines your points and puts them on another level.
06:31 It's so funny that Hikaru is somehow connected almost anytime Ben starts complaining about something. 😂
because hikaru is a toxic b*tch. 😂
Hikaru is a diva but an amazing chess player
I like when Karen tells Ben to let her talk and he is like you’re right (facial expressions) and he is quite for 30 seconds then gets all riled up again. They have a great relationship.
“You’re gonna regrets this.” That’s Danny’s life motto.
So accurate.
He should be careful with this life motto, accusing Hans out of thin air was a dumb move and more are to follow it seems.
I would absolutely love official matches commented by Ben & Karen but with ONE condition: they're allowed to be funny! I understand that world championships and such are taken seriously but i think that a more entertaining presentation of such events wouldn't hurt! Simon Williams brought a bit of that in some recent events, but let's face it, it's still content for a bunch of "too serious" viewers!
Ben seems to know everyone in the chess world .
if you'd been in a community for most of your life you'd know everyone in it too
Bens been a part of it before your dad’s genitalia ever dreamt about you. And yes, I’m old.
We are all good friends with Tio Ben
Most people watching chess content are new to chess. I started playing again after the 2018 world championship. Many others started during the Covid chess boom, but these guys have been around a long time and have known each other for a long time. Ben has known Hikaru since he was about 10 years old, maybe earlier. He beat Fabi when Fabi was 11. People know each other and some of them have beef. A lot of people don't like Hikaru, not necessarily for what he does now, but how he acted 10-15 years ago and they're disinclined to give him the benefit of the doubt about stuff now. IM Lawrence Trent and Nepo have had beef and I'm not sure Nepo has forgiven him yet
It seems that the competitive chess world is small enough that people who actually played consistently at a relatively high level from childhood all at least know of each other.
Karen's as mad as hell and she's not gonna take this anymore! 😭
Great movie ^_^
@@SCthatsMe LOL!
Best closing line ever...
Go ben! It's ridiculous behaviour from the company that should promote chess. Go lichess!
Oh wow I had no idea Danny could act like that. I love that you two always speak your truth or the truth regardless of who says what.
Furthermore, it is absurd how many brainless actually think that Chesscom prohibited Hans from future event because of cheating. Which has nothing to do with the reason. The only reason Chesscom banned Hans is because Magnus is giving an ultimatum. Either ban Hans or he will not play. And Chesscom chooses to keep their much more lucrative business partner in. Without any regard to Hans or his life/career. This is the reason why anybody working for or with organizers are prohibited in participating in the competitions. If Magnus is affiliated with Chesscom, then he should be prohibited from competing in their events. The fact that Magnus is able to compete is exactly why all of this is happening. Or is anybody unclear about the absolute fact that the only reason Chesscom prohibited Hans has nothing whatsoever to do with cheating or Hans past. It is only because of Magnus.
Great thing about the modern age is you can expose the mistreatment you were handed in the past. Rip those guys a new one!
if Danny said he is out to ruin Hans. as Karen says. that bolsters Hans' case. right?
Today, we celebrate Festivus, let the airing of grievances begin.
This was very funny and informative , thanks
Wow, they putting Danny on blast. Lol
Ben is a gangster saying this shit while those donations stream in
karens accent gets funky and murican when she gets angry, lovely
That's the Dothan coming out.
That’s called a southern accent. It’s not Murican. It’s just one of the many Murican accents, just like the yankee accent is a Murican accent.
Karen always has a fairly noticeable Southern accent
@@kourii Noticeable is a relative term. But yes she does.
I am Starting to like Angry Karen. 😅👌🏾
you are not gonna regret it, no worries, you're the best
Came for the chess, stayed for karens accent
chess.com is very buggy. I joined for one month and did all the beginner to intermediate lessons and all the review questions / puzzles. Pieces are often displayed incorrectly: pawn replaced with another piece, sometimes had two kings of the same colour on the board, sometimes no king (because it was displayed as a different piece); interactions were also buggy with positions changing erratically. Not all the time but often enough here and there on random pages. This was only a year or so ago. Lichess is rock solid by comparison.
Would there be a reason to be “in on a cheating meeting” with chesscom, outside of the obvious? Has that been discussed?
what did eric post on reddit i cant find anything?
"Let me talk."
You guys should start your own online chess! B&K Chess! I'd be all in.
Go Ben!
what's worse? Magus suffered embarrassing loss or Magnus forced to pay Hans millions after the embarrassing loss? 🤣🤣Magnus is just digging a bigger and bigger hole
I think that’s the first time I’ve heard Ben say that he literally doesn’t give a fuck. lol.
Wow, I wouldn't have expected Karen to virtually wave the finger at Danny Rensch, or anyone, on camera.
Go Ben! Yes!
A typical Karen asking to talk to the manager.
Ben really enjoyed seeing you with Karen. Nice karma.
After the next world championship. I suspect Magnus will challenge the winner to a money match, funded by Saudi Arabia.
Exactly. FIDE is irrelevant at this point
holy moly this anecdote, in the hands on Hans's legal team, would really just... destroy Danny's credibility and paint him as the vindictive type willing to destroy peoples' careers should they step out of line.
I think it's totally overblown. People come off more aggressive sometimes. Sometimes people overreact.
Pretty much every noteworthy GM or chess commentator is probably going to end up being called to testify if this actually goes to court. Ben may get the chance to re-tell this story under oath, in a setting where everyone's dirty laundry is being aired. Should be interesting. I suspect this gets settled, but really, really, really hope it goes to trial. I want the facts to come out and justice to be done. If Magnus was wrong an apology and retraction are the very least of what Hans is owed, although if it turns out that Hans is a serial cheater who happened to not be cheating at that exact moment I will be considerably less outraged on his behalf. The problem with getting a reputation as a liar is that no one believes you when you are telling the truth, and likewise, when people assume you are cheating they will still think you are cheating long after you stop. If real GMs had reason to believe Hans was cheating, if his cheating was an open secret as some have claimed, those GMs will be called to testify under oath. I'll bring the beer if you bring the pretzels! :D
Ben is vegan, there is no beef
4:22 I’m the grandmaster, let me talk 😂😂😂
Do you know the best move that has ever been played against me by a junior player. ...0-0-0KxNc1RxBd1...such a fantastic double piece take during a castling procedure. I was so impressed, even the arbiter laughed when he saw it.
lol ben is the realest
Chaotic neutral.
Ben literally does not care
Go Ben!
Go Karen!
Go Ben again!
lichess is the best but i understands ben staying where he picked up the fans if he moves they may not all follow him
Not' trying to start a "best chess site" war here or anything because in the end, chess is chess, lol! I think you guys have way better reasons to move to Lichess than I as you got way deeper into their ecosystem than I have and experienced all these gripes. But I'd like to share why I moved to Lichess from Green Pawn (Can't' write their name as it'll likely show as a link and CZcams will auto-mark my comment) anyway.
Initially I started on Green Pawn and it seemed fine. Until I started getting into the other features. So many teaching things had a paywall (which was hypocritical to their message of teaching everyone because it lowered accessibility) and it became quite a nuisance. So I eventually found Lichess which had a load of stuff free and open for anyone to look at and contribute to. I started to be there more and more for stuff like the puzzles and studies. But still sort of didn't know if I should give up on Green Pawn. Like that I was being too harsh on it or something. That is until they did shady stuff like the NFTs and "verified accounts" to get more money for essentially providing what amounts to nothing. It was then I completely went over to Lichess. Don't get me wrong and think I just hate for-profit things here or something. Normally I don't mind money making because people have gotta make a living. But why do shady stuff like that when there are a million other ways to make money, you know?
The more time I spent on Lichess, the more I also picked up on how smooth everything ran. It compensates for lag so you aren't losing clock time, navigating is more efficient, none of said paywall hindrances as stated of course, etc... You've been there so you guys know all of it. But on top of that, it's clear they have their priorities straight. They promise free everything plus continued improvements and they indeed deliver. I've seen people say it's still technically not free because it needs donations. But when something is as good as Lichess, people will want to donate to support it because it's valued. It happens all the time with indie games which have "pay what you want" for instance in that the good ones get donations for continued development and just thanks for a job well done.
Green Pawn does have a lot more variants though. So I guess if I wanted to get into them, I'd have to go back and use it as some only exist there that I know of. The most famous example recently is Duck Chess of course. Lichess apparently is not interested in adding more variants at the moment either.
In the face of this lawsuit ... this episode is probably going to make Danny furious. More drama incoming?
Now it makes sense why Danny likes Hikaru. Multifaceted people like other multifaceted people.
I didn't know multifaceted = narcissist
The more u know...
He literaly don't care
Ben and Karen are the best human beings in the chess world.
i wish ben talked over karen less, or that karen talked over ben more
simp
For sure, it's so annoying that he cuts her off when she's trying to get a word in.
Karen needs to speak to Ben’s manager
Yes, but here you could see he knows it and he is trying to be good when she was talking the Danny stuff. He can improve more, but ok.
Karen can handle her self, she even said "let me talk" at one point. She's got Ben on a tight leash :p
you should have dressed like hikaru and repeated yourself endlessly and did your best impression of Hikaru trying to sound as dumb as he assumes normal people are to be "relatable". then you would have been on the main channel, that's the content people want somehow I mean not from you, from actual Hikaru.
You can say alot of stuff about ben but he aint no shill and wont bend the knee for money, a rarity these days
I read the emails between Danny and Hans. Seems to me they were treating Hans well. How not?
Ben is a great commentator but we cannot watch him much commentating, I hope he returns covering Pro Chess League games and important tournaments like that as expected
I like his chess much more than his politics.
WOW - bold & brutal truth! It's shocking that Danny threatened you guys. Really rotten - I always had a good opinion of him, but now he sounds like a real POS.
Why'd you quit St. Louis when you were like THAT || son?
Ben tends to bites the hand that feeds him when he believes he doesn't need it anymore.
Did that in St. Louis and is doing it now.
the CHESS company gonna sue you for defamation
heard something recently that i think applies to this situation. if you ran into an asshole during your day then you ran into an asshole. if everyone you run into is an asshole, then you are an asshole.
Colliding with people that often would be very suspicious.
That's what I tell the street urchins I run over in my carriage when they yell at me
why does Ben screw the bottle cap when he will open it a few seconds later
4:20 It's bottle top discipline. So one gets into the habit of not leaving open containers near expensive electronic equipment. You never know when you might forget about it, so it's better to keep it closed whenever you're not drinking. Predicting when your next sip will be can be hard at times when busy talking.
Is Perrier healthy?
@@Mowie666 its mineral water
@@Mowie666 it's literally water
OCD
Karen is a real sweet heart
Has anyone noticed how some CZcams chess channels are getting more and more like Fox News ?
this gaslighting is real. cassidy hutshinson debunked testimony hans admitted cheater. westworld-type conspiracy theory wish i could post it
Correct.
Allright it very clear danny is the devil himself
You have only the version of the story of the guy who is on a beef with him.
@@boukman3668 there was a bit of a sarcastic undertone in the comment
@@akorthouwer oh... Got it.
Plot twist: Ben is Hans' lawyer. Go 200 billion centidoos!
Ben speaks to much sarcasm to do broadcast 😂
This gave me hope that they just provide the beads
I expect better thumbnails. You’re better than this Ben. 😂
Ben is my second favorite person in the world. Karen is my first.
When people (Danny Renschchsh; also, if you can call them people) have power, they will use that power to their liking, not to do what's right.
I clicked on this hoping for something coherent and substantive. I've unsubbed but am still watching periodically because it's such a puzzle to me that an actual real life GM is much more tolerant of cheating than I ever imagined one would be - I keep thinking I must be missing something obvious. (For context, I've been holding chess players up to NHL fans as models of what it looks like when people actually follow the rules of their sport for years, I've had to re-evaluate how I perceive chess). This beef is like celebrity beef in that it's really petty and spiteful and about nothing. FWIW I don't doubt your claims, I just think they are very unremarkable. Someone was rude in an email to you, then they apologized. You felt threatened, so you confronted the person and they backed down. You didn't get offered a business opportunity you felt you deserved. I don't mean this disrespectfully, but you should try having a job sometime, that is what working people call "a day at the office." Watching someone badmouth... what, their business partner? Their employer?... while they are (presumably) on the job is a bit much, but claiming that they are somehow being forced to work for this particular boss and if they had a choice they would do something else is something else. I dunno, I know what it's like to work for an employer you dislike, and if you're genuinely stuck there I sympathize, but this came across as shallow and unprofessional IMO.
👍👍👍
So halfway through the tournament you quit your contractual obligation to provide commentary, and then were surprised that Danny got mad about that? Seems like Danny had good reason to be upset.
Ben back washes like a neandrithorl.
Your spelling places you as a Neanderthal. Dam. The truth hurts
Hans shouldn't have been humiliated publicly for something that happened when he was a juvenile. Was totally overboard. Although his lawsuit is the worst written legal document I've ever read. It's like he wrote it himself instead of using a solid attorney.
He is a juvenile, if we waited to humiliate him until he was an adult it would have taken several more decades
@@andreasvedeler80 He's 19 - that's old enough to vote, join the army, or go to jail. He's an adult.
hmmmm... so you guys do have beef from time to time... fake veggies boooooo
Well, it actually was a special treatment. Unlike most of the other titled players that were caught cheating once or twice, Hans was cheating for years in more than 100 of games that we know of. He is also a publicly admitted cheater who outright lied in his post-game interview and tried to downplay his cheating and make Chess com and othe people look bad, pretending like he has no idea why he's banned and to look like they targeted him just to ruin his career, while the poor innocent him was just working hard and living out of a suitcase and certainly not cheating for years in titled games both for money and rating like that "bad, bad Chess com" implied.
I'm sick of the people who are trying to paint him like some innocent victim just so they can pretend that they are occupying some imaginary moral high ground above the rest of us mortals. Oh, they're defending this poor innocent kid from the vile attacks on his pristine career and personality, give me a break please.
👏😐
Danny has always given me weird vibes when I see him commentating or when I read his announcements etc. Nice to see my intuition was right..
I don't know who this girl is, but she looks and sounds nice.
Are Ben and Karen married together?
No. They are separately married to each other.
@@monfrere4845 so they are divorced but married in love.
@@pavfrang u got it
Sounds like Ben wants to be on Hans witness list. Never go with the losing side Ben you should know that.
Some people try to suck up to the winners and the most powerful people they can find, some just live their life their own way
@@NJ-wb1cz well said 👍🏽
@@NJ-wb1cz Some people like Ben wait for the beast to drop only then to draw out their swords and look for rewards. That's not very brave either. He tried to do the same with Hikaru to no avail.
@@mohammedfathi3592 Frank Lee Non Sense
There's not really any reason to call Ben as a witness. All he would be able to say as an expert is that there wasn't anything suspicious about Hans's moves in the Sinquefield Cup. Anything else would be speculation on his part and wouldn't be allowed. There's any number of qualified GMs or IMs that can give the exact same testimony.
Kissing anyone's ass is not a good look, no matter how good looking Magnus Carlsen might be considered to be.
First
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Oh I'm so sorry we don't care about your career, because like most of us chess players you more like to confront people than to be applauded to. But we are deeply worried about Karen having gotten angry. Could you explain that a little more?
Sounds like you were just butt hurt. Kinda like Magnus
Magnus is not butthurt. He just dont like the integrity of chess get dragged down by cheating i assume
I was in your Place when i came across
Ben a long time ago. Slowly but Surely
you will adjust. 😂
@@john-toregundersen2655 True, after he lost he cared a lot about integrity. Before that, he didn't.
@@joepinho3480 I disagree. However i would also claim that he has revolutionized the economics in chess by bringing inn personal sponsorships in chess generally.
@@john-toregundersen2655 The main part of his reasoning was that Hans didn't look like he was concentrating, as if everyone concentrates the same. He's butthurt.
Let's face it. Hikaru is much a better commentator that Ben. A much stronger player, too. Plus, Hikaru doesn't whine.
Which is fine, so they should have told Ben and Karen beforehand that Hikaru would be on the main channel. Classic bait and switch.
Ben is as real as they come and Hikaru is a narcissist... given his late behaviour, that you are his fanboi doesn't speak well about yourself, same as the irrelevant and fake cheap shots in your post... let's face that too :)
@@TheChzoronzon Being 'real', whatever that is supposed to mean, is irrelevant when it comes to chess commentary and ability.
@@davidbarnett8617 Yeah, some kinds of people would think so, I guess
Amber Turd comes to mind... :D
None of them are good commentators bc thay cant work with another person . They can only work alone.
Both Ben and Hikaru talk over other people in monopolize the interaction. Ignore the other commentators and disrespect the players.
I like them both but they have their strong and week points. Team work is not one of them.
Niemann is a cheater, just because he's American like you, you defend him. Ben Finegold is nothing compared to Hikaru Nakumara, the greatest chess bullet player of all time, and the jealousy speaks for itself. I mean, I don't care, but it's obvious. It's rather obvious.
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I literally don't care but I figuratively care
Hikaru is always right. If he said 1+1=3 then this is right. Because he is the best bullet player of the universe
The salt coming from you is real. 🤣
@@DubberssMcgee He's joking.
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