Adapting Beta RR390 RR450 RR480 for adventure riding?︱Cross Training Adventure
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2017
- Lots of questions about making dual sport or adventure bike out of the RS390, RR-S390, RS500 or RR-S500, as a light weight adventure bike that can also double up as a dirt bike. So out of all the enduro bikes currently on the market, I was keen to see how the Beta RS390 and RS500 would shape up. Why the Beta? Most modern four stroke enduro bikes can serve as a good platform, but a few things that stand out with the Betas are the lower seat height, very user-friendly engine and handling characteristics, and a wide ratio gearbox where the stock gearing can suit both dirt riding and loping along the highway easily.
Fuel tank options for the RS390 and RS500 to give it an adventure bike fuel range? We ordered the 11.7L (3 gallon) tank from IMS. This was only US$290 and should extends the fuel range to around 300km or 190 miles with easy adventure riding. Apparently IMS now have a 4 gallon tank which is great for anyone wanting even more range.
Apparently Seat Concepts is the most popular choice for Beta riders but they wouldn't answer my emails.
The engine. Both engines are superb, with the RS390 and RS500 perfect for anyone who wants a bike that will fly along if you crack that throttle. Like most big fuel injected thumpers, the throttle response is snappy from idle but I highly recommend the G2 Throttle Tamer for only US$70, it transforms it into a pussy cat at small throttle openings. See our review here. The RS390 or RR-S390 has a long stroke engine that loves to lug and has an even more user-friendly nature than the RS500 - if you don't need ridiculous amounts of top end performance this bike is the one.
The benefits of fuel injection are clear with the RS390 and RS500 - better fuel economy and automatic adjustment to elevation changes.
The only real drawback with the Beta four stroke engine in the Beta RS500 and RS390 is the plastic oil pump gears. These should be replaced every 100 hours, most riders are putting the metal gears from Boano in and then they can forget about them.
Luggage is always tricky on enduro bikes. That weak rear subframe means you can't hang a lot off the rear. And you don't want to anyway, these bikes are so light they handle very strangely if you don't keep the weight centred. Get into the good stuff, Kriega, Wolfman, Giant Loop, Nomad Rider. You can spend a lot on soft panniers, tank bags, fender bags. The key is keeping that weight centred and ideally, down low. A handy aspect of the Beta RS390, RR-s390, RS500 or RR-S500 is those rear grab rails under the seat which make excellent mounting points for luggage.
That's it to date... so far the Beta RR480 or RS500 is proving to be a pile of fun as a light weight adventure bike. If anyone has further tips please add them in the comments section and share the love for a dual sport or adventure bike conversion for the Beta RS390 or RR-S500.
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Long term reports on the Beta four stroke engines are positive (other than the dumb plastic oil pump cogs replaced every 100 hours). Typically the only consistent issues seem to be electrics - a typical Beta issue. E.g. A common problem with 2018 and 2019 Beta four strokes is a charging issue resulting in flat batteries. Beta has states they will fix 2018 models with free parts, on 2019 models they will provide free parts and labour, no matter how many hours you've run up.
Another problem is speedos resetting themselves to zero. On some models Beta used the wrong speed cable, also there is a a connector that needs to be zip tied into place as the poor connection keeps resetting the speedo. See your Beta dealer for more info.
The dual engine oil/transmission oil compartments make regular oil changes more work than they need to be for adventure riding.
In terms of wear, remember most models have short strokes so you shouldn't lug the engines too often as you'll probably get uneven piston wear. The RR390 is the exception here with its longer stroke.
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Love your videos. A quick question, the clutch lever set up is what make? You said it reduces pull by 70% thats amazing. 50 years of ridng and racing has taken a toll and anything i can do to limit pain and suffering i am open to try. LOL
Damn, nobody gonna mention homeboy riding like the late Doug Domokos. Dude don't need to care about front tire selection, cause he wheeling everywhere he go. Nice bike skills in video. Real nice. 👍👍✌
Beta 500rs here, 4100 miles, nothing but metal oil pump gears and regular oil changes, flawless bike!
I know this is an old video but its content is exactly what I need right now in 2023. I'm about to buy either a KTM 500 excf or a Beta 390 RR. I'm 58 years old and only a few years' offroad riding experience. The Beta looks like the better choice for my new local rides in the Victorian High Country. Thanks a bunch Barry!
Tough choice, Phil! The long stroke nature of the RR390 makes it a great light dual sport model. But there are also plenty of riders who have adventurized the big Kato with great success too.
Re: long ride pucker reduction.
AirHawk makes inflatable seat pads that can greatly soften part of a motocross seat. Lightweight and effective. The model intended for a pillion fits well at the very back of my CRF450RL seat, where I sit for pavement riding.
I live in the desert in New Mexico usa and often carry RotoPax containers for gas and water on a Tusk panier rack. Trying to equalise that weight, i got a Wolfman tank-pannier base, so my camping gear hangs on both sides of the fuel tank. Still a compromise as it is heavy-handling for a dirt bike but carries a light payload for an adv bike. But it fits the bare essentials, and I hope I will still be able to pick it up when I dump it for a few more years, unlike the R1200GS...
Running a 13 520rr/s. ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING BIKE . old fart 60 today .this is my present to me .gr8 choice
I use my 2018 390 for a light adventure bike. I agree it is a pretty sweet bike. The cyclops bulb does make a huge difference. Seat concepts dual sport seat is fantastic as well.
I put the Cyclops LED bulb in my latest DR650... night and day difference.
i debate the usefulness of a front wheel in your situation, i perceive the fact you do not require one, freakinawesome mate
Good vid, Barry....been waiting for this one for a while! Thanks!
Nice review and awesome points and accessories. Love the idea of that clutch lever and it is the first I have seen of those flex handle bars. 🤙🤙🤙
Wow, that clutch set up is cool. I must check it out.
Your narrative is very calming
I have been waiting for this vid for a while now. Nice! I have 1 bike that does it all, a dirt cheap KLX 250S that I am fitting a 351 kit on to give it more power for ADV/single track. Thanks again for the great vids.
It’s great to see wheelie experts …it’s amazing how may new bikes are getting sold in 2023 …that are too heavy to routinely wheelie , and how many rider s have no appreciation how having the front end in the air or at least very light , aids fast riding over certain terrain and hill climbs .
There's certainly an emphasis on heavier bikes when it comes to adventure riding. I guess most riders will just be doing road miles and easy dirt roads but there's plenty of riders who want to get into some gnarlier terrain as well...
I’d love to see a video about strapping the dry bags together
i'm also curious how you attached the dry bags! I'm looking for such a low budget option for my FE 501. Thanks for the interesting and useful content on your channel !
Perfect timing on this video for me. I’ve been riding the KTM 690 r for an adventure bike on the TAT here in American as well as local dual sport rides.
I was interested in something lighter and frankly, a little more fun to ride. The Beta’s weight for the 390 is very close to my 300 XCW single track bike which is much easier to handle.
This video helped answer some of the road riding concerns I have with the light bike.
Thank you!
Exactly my situation right now. I have a 690 and 890R and am looking for a smaller adv bike for local rides. The 390 RR MY23 looks like the pick for me.
Long stroke 390 engine is brilliant. Perfect for dual sport. Beta would probably make a killing if they did an adv version.... big tank, fairing, comfy seat, bigger oil capacity.
adv OZ i just love your videos thumbs up...hello from Kenya !!
This vid has me frothing at the gash... I have a '08 FE550 Berg based on your love of the 570, but a Beta could be in my future. I will be becoming a paid subscriber to the Cross Training vids imminently! Greetings from Ireland :)
Man I love how comprehensive your videos are!!
thanks joe, collected way more info than that but you have to cull it to keep the vids relatively short. :)
5 oil changes on a trip from Michigan to the Canadian Rocky mountains and back. Im out!
Thanks for another great video.
Great project that i will be watching closely thanks.
Can vouch for seat concepts.
I have one on my RR300 and have no issues for a full day out. 55 year old 85kg and got the standard size.
I had no trouble with the contacts and know of a person who got a seat via Beta USA.
great video keep them going!
just did a 2 day to tenterfield on the 500exc ,came back along rabbit proof fence through marrylands N/P ,had a blast , founds nice trails ,
so much good riding down that way... then on to old grafton road and beyond. :)
Excellent video Barry. Something for everyone to mull over here. Looking very seriously at a RR390 and the tank upgrade option could well be a tipping point for me now. Can't wait for the old fart video.
id love to post that darned old fart vid if i can just remember where i left it, damnit!
Thanks for the video!
Good informative video. I'm thinking of getting one of these "Baters".
2020 models look much improved. Don't know yet if they ditched the plastic oil gears...
Yourb a legend. Thank you so much.cheers
Excellent vid on what’s important for an all around great bike. Most of this I’ve done and tested on my FE501. Can’t change to Beta now, but I see the value of knowing the bore and stroke. I’m on the fence about a cush drive. 95% dirt for now. Looking forward to the old man video. I’ll admit at 60 and riding these brilliant toys, I feel 25. There are pills for that, too.
Pills for everything, Ronald... except improving our riding skills lol.
Great video.
Yeah, you should take a trip with the Beta!
Moseof makes a seat thing you can find it on amazon. I have never tried one but I’m going to.
Hey Barry, I have a 2010 KTM 400 which I love for riding street and technical single track. The bike has a very smooth forgiving power band, handles well and has been very reliable. I believe you rode the 400 in one of your previous video's, wondering how it compares to the Beta 390. KTM doesn't make the 400 currently but the 390 seems like it would be a very similar bike.
I've been wanting a 390RR for some time but caved and got a Husky FE350 on massive sale at my local dealer. Going to turn it into a light ADV/dual sport bike too!
Jeff Minnion what did you end up paying for that FE out the door?
The disclaimers are always the best part...
No more mention of the DR... though it still appears in the background. Probably to ensure that the Beta will get back home safely :)
Thanks for the video. If I had the money, Beta could be my next bike... as soon as the weight of my DR had the better of me.
The DR is being held in reserve for when the ADV terrain gets really gnarly...
So that's what happened to the big principessa! Of course you told us from the outset of your ADV plans for her. But we of short memory (and by "we" I mean me...). That also explains the SX conversion on the cross training channel. Another great video Mr. Morris! And BTW, though you probably hadn't noticed my silence lately, I've been watching vids on the big screen via Roku. So I've been watching and giving thumbs up, but there's no way for me to comment on the Roku. Something you should probably thankful for! LOL!!
at the risk of sounding like a wimp, there have been some nights i've cried myself to sleep wondering where your youtube comments had gone.... not a heart wrenching wail, more of a pathetic whimpering and a slightly damp pillow. and now i'll have to google roku and find out what it means, you know we aussies have only just discovered the internet.... :)
ADVENTURE OZ Dry your eyes Barry. You'll never get rid of me! (I mean that in the creepy, stalker kind of way... LOL!!)
Roku is a wifi casting device like Apple TV, Kindle Fire, or Chrome Cast that allows you to watch CZcams, NetFlix and dozens of other streaming internet apps on your living room TV. Roku was one of the first and remains one of the best. So called "smart" TV's have the same wifi capabilities built in, but even the upscale ones use generations-old wifi hardware.
So experts recommend using a casting device instead of the built-in system, as they are much faster and smoother. I discovered all this when I bought a new "smart" TV a couple years ago. It's true, the Roku works way better than the built-in TV system.
The cool thing about using a casting device is that any TV that has a USB or HDMI connection can be connected to the internet and greatly expand your viewing horizons (as it were...). They range in price from $30 to $80 US, and are well worth it. My neighbors use the internet exclusively for all their TV viewing. No cable...
Really good accessories and qualities for ADV. I think I'd have to order the bike through the post.
Awesome!!
Great video...lots of new ideas...GO the old farts!
Thanks for the informative vid, do you think that changing the ratio of sprockets could work in favour af a smaller dirt bike, I have a Beta 350rr.
Thanks!
I've been using the 723 here in aus for about 2000km so far and has been great. similar performance to the Mt21 I had on the back before but has already lasted longer and has plenty of tread left. Like you I went a fatter tyre on the front. I would of went for a 216 like you had in the video but none were in stock so I went with a Michelin cross country 90/100. using this setup on a adventure berg 570.
ah so they ARE available now matt? what a bugger, it will take ages to wear out the current tyres.
ADVENTURE OZ yeah I ordered direct from golden tyre Australia. This was a few months ago though.
I've purchased the 5.2 gallon. Awesome for anyone
Great review! The beta 390 looks like the perfect set up for me. Now I just need to get money 🤔
Good luck!
Same here! Fell in love in about 12 minutes...
What is the power output and torque of the 390 and the 480? None of the online specs give this info.
Interestingly, apart from the motor the only (surprising) difference is that the 480 is only 1kg heavier.
The fuel capacity says 8 litres, with 2 litres reserve. Does that mean it's got 10 litres on board in total, or just the 8.
It seems like every time I watch one of your videos you end up costing me money Barry. Proshot mount, Suomy helmet, Sidi Crossfire boots and now a Beta RR480! (Well, not 'NOW', but after I've sold the Tiger...)
Wish the 390 would hold more oil so the oil changes don't come up so quick especially for us supermoto or street riders !
Hello Adventure Oz. This is not a 'which bike' question. I wouldn't dare do that.....but, in setting up a light weight adventure bike is a bigger capacity more reliable do you think? I would much prefer the 390 over the 480 (or the KTM350 over the 500) but will the smaller displacement bike sit on 110kph just as well for hour after hour if required?
For the price of the beta, I can buy the expensive dual sport Honda..... you know, one of the Japanese big four so ANY aftermarket item I want comes over the counter and I don’t have to have a friend weld one up or pay a shop excessive cash to do custom work...
Cool vid, and I get why you chose a bike there weren’t already a thousand CZcams vids for, but for those of us actually considering doing this it is really a nonsequiter to use a beta...
Dual overhead cams are a Tricky to rebuild for the first time.
Cant wait until u try out the new goldentyre and compare it to the gt201 and the 505 is great for a knobbie but it wears down too fast a trials tire would def last at least a year but they arent street legal
All great information. Very well done. Do you have info regarding valve check specs.? This could limit longer distance trips if they need to be checked/adjusted to frequently. Thanks
Hey Mate- Jack here from Durango Colorado (I've written before). I'm the 70 year old rider that rides a
Berg FE390 on our mtn trails here. Just finished 436 miles of the TransAmerica Trail - eastern Colorado Section. With longs rides more common, I'm looking at soft luggage. Can you please tell me what panniers you have on the 480RR (at 6:25 on the vid). Street legal now and looking to ride more of the TAT westward. I'm considering the Giant Loop Coyote or Wolfman. Thanks LOADS for your great vids, and for your time. My friends here watch your vids also. -- Jack, in the wilderness near Durango.
sounds like a nice ride, jack! can't even remember the brand but we reviewed that luggage on this channel, i think i made a review section on the youtube channel page.
👍........subscribed!
Pretty keen to hear more of your thoughts about the WRF. I'd love one but so many people say they are unreliable and totally not suited to road use.
did this video a long long time ago, nathan czcams.com/video/2FoSN5cemvc/video.html
@@crosstrainingadventure perfect, thanks mate! No reliability issues? Any more info on the oil capacity increase and plumbing of the additional tank? I like doing things the hard way, a dual purpose 115kg bike sounds incredible.
@@crosstrainingadventure because you didn't reply, I ended up buying a 525exc. :-D
How much would be the weight difference between a modified enduro bike for adv riding (bigger gas tank, racks for luggage, bash plate, etc) and a reasonable size dedicated adv bike already on the market, such as KTM 790 or a BMW 700-800?
I watched several videos about enduro bike modifications into an adv bike, but no one says what is the final weight and how much is the final cost. Thanks.
Sorry, nerd moment! At 7:40, "by extension, the 'berg has the same problem, essentially same engine"? FYI the 570 "L" shaped motor is a unique Husaberg design, made before they were bought by KTM, and after they split off from Husqvarna. The L shaped 390 and 570 motors were the defining moment of Husaberg IMHO, before they got bought out by KTM and just started selling rebadged EXC's.
For what it's worth I read around the traps this engine and drive train is doing a LOT of kilometres, dual-sport level kilometres, in the 570. There's some big thread online about them being a fleet bike for some Spanish tour company, copping a hiding in the mountains every day for years on end, and with normal maintenance the engines looking really good internally even at 70,000km. From your experience it looks like a cush is a must though!
epic bikes tosgem, it seems crazy they didn't continue it as a kick ass adventure bike that could be everything the 690 wasn't.... sigh. by 'essentially the same engine', all i meant was at least 85% of the engine is stock kato parts but of course they did some very cool things with everything else!
Hello, I've watched nearly every video you have posted. I was curious if you think the 2018 Beta RR390S is a bit more prepared for dual sport considering it's an S model, such as rear hub, and is it still plastic parts in the gear box, etc? Basically asking if the S model with updates in 2018 is more suited for dual sport. Regardless of your answer I'm still buying one, but wondering if I still need to look at the same issues? Thank you for all your vids. Much appreciated!
no idea, we don't get that model down under... there's only the RR. :(
ADVENTURE OZ Thank you for the honesty. Dear Beta: give this Australian a 390 street model for review please. Haha. Seriously though, thanks again for your videos and input. I began my research journey only knowing that my Tiger Triumph adventure bike did not allow me to do what I imagined (my first bike). Since then, I've sold it and began looking to CZcams for vids of people doing what I want to do. I almost bought a Honda 250L, then next a Yamaha 250R... I've finally settled on the Beta RR390S, and it's because of your very honest, objective, and entertaining videos. Since then I've also subscribed and watched all your technique videos. Very nice work all the way around. Beta, if you're reading this, this man basically sold me a bike, so how bout getting him an S model for his dual sport conversion vid that so many people are awaiting.
Thank you very much!
- IMS tank not listed anymore
- boano page down... 😞
Someone newer information about?
You guys have skills! I'm an aggressive off roader myself, but I NEVER get great mileage out of tires... (no, I don't do burnouts) 500 miles on my TE630 and they're roached. What the hell am I doing wrong, or right? Ha! I'll have to try the tires you recommend. I have less than 4000mi (sorry about the "miles" thing) on my TE and I'm on my 6th back and 3rd front! Advice? 🇺🇸🏁 great videos BTW!!!
Stop banging the rev limiter when you're stuck. Practice good technique. The cross training enduro skills channel has a lot of good practices. Ran by the same guy.
I really enjoy and learn from your reviews! To my American ears, it sounds like you're saying BEATER! haha. I'm looking for a light weight dual sport and am considering Beta now, as well as a WR250R. I know the wee Yamaha is considered under powered in a lot of people's minds but what are your thoughts on it? Would love to watch a review like this one about the WR250R.
- Sam in America.
we think americans are always saying master BATOR. :) turns out it is really meant to be 'better'.
those japanese 250s are a totally different class of bike, very heavy and underpowered compared to an enduro bike.
they're also engineered to run thousands of miles with little to no maintenance.
the WR isn't nearly as bonecrushingly heavy as the DR though.
dude you put out the stuff, i always need to know. and don't even know i need to know it ? thanks for the help! I just wish i could afford the rs390, or any beta for that matter! but you got me sold on the 390's long stroke engine. have you heard about ktm 390 duke enduro? thanks OZ MAN
i keep hearing about the 390 enduro but not sure if it's real or not, jason. a few years back everyone saw this photoshopped image a guy did and thought it was actually a real design. i haven't followed the rumours lately.
ADVENTURE OZ not to add more suspicion, but KTM when they released their spy shots for the 800 Enduro they are making. They also went ahead and released some shots of a secondary bike. much smaller in engine and frame. As well as a completely different engine design. No one knows what it is. Other than it being an Adv bike.
great great great video. wikipedia for 4T betas...
i hope so, babur! i think other riders will give extra tips on this forum thread i started: advrider.com/index.php?threads/beta-dual-sport-adventure-bike-setup-rs390-rr-s390-rs500-rr-s500.1198210/
ugh so many decisions me and a mate want to ride from Brisbane to Tasmania on enduro bikes (keep in mind in a couple years) i like the beta because i am a shorter rider but the fuel tank where my other bike im thinking of is a husky 350,450 and 501 or maybe husaberg we want a bike where we can throw all a travel bags in a our hotel and go rip some trails and some sand do you have any ideas because well be couple of 19 years old so we need some wisdom but if we dont get the funds for them bikes where probably gonna do them on some drz400 or xrs and forget the off road and just go supermoto
Are we going to see any ADV trips on the beta soon? :)
a few day trips as per this vid, not sure if i've got time nowadays to do a multi-day trip though...
Would be nice, though...
have you ever tried the kenda ibex rear tyre? it's a super soft compound just like the golden tyre gt216x but cheapper! a lots of rider around here in quebec are using it and they love it!!!
no remy, but i am hearing good reports on the thumpertalk forum. :)
Still wish Beta sold a Beefy Rear subframe replacement for dual sporting. Or someone aftermarket.
I like the bike,but i dont like the service intervals.
On my WR250 i just change oil every 4000km and check the valve clearance at the same time.
Takes 10 min and 20 dollars for oil.
I dont know how often it needs top end rebuild,but oil change every 30h is kinda too frequent.
yep there will always be this compromise once you move to a much higher performance bike... still only a 10 min oil change though
In America a "beetah" is the "beater" we buy for winter driving...
The Italians must find it amusing that none of us pronounce it correctly 😂
Cool
Adventure OZ, you should try The AJP Pr7........
I think it is going to be a very good adventure bike
it does look promising... i was hoping it would be lighter than it is though.
Yes I think it is going to be promising, but in comparision with the KTM 690r 152kg (whith fuel) and AJP Pr7 165kg (with fuel), i dont know if it is that heavy for a bike like that.....
Almost every other adventure bike is heavier that that.
Either way people are going to take baggage and other Items with them, so heavier it goes.
So this needs a oil pump gear inspection at 100 hours unless changed for the metal gear, how long until a top and bottom rebuild ? (Taking into account lengths of string and anodised fuel cap) ?
Able to be commuted Monday to Friday and hit the tracks on the weekend? Or a bit highly strung for that?
not an inspection, they must be changed every 100 hours. :( rebuild? yes that's lengths of strings alright! here's our general take on it though... czcams.com/video/qSg2sll6yEo/video.html
ADVENTURE OZ cheers Barry, I think. Now I’m even more confused on my next bike and very possibly more broke!
What about the Husqvarna 701? Any thoughts on the big husqy? A bit heavy for enduro perhaps but as an adventure bike?
it's essentially the same as the ktm 690 which i reported on in the video link at the end... myth of the light weight adventure bike.
If you don't mind me asking, what would you say the beta lacks in comparison to the Berg? Do you prefer one over the other?
about 70cc i'd say. :)
Would you recommend these type of bikes?, currently looking at the beta rr 125 lc (the main problem for me is there are no beta dealers in my country and no spare parts for this bike )do I heard from someone that ktm or Yamaha engine parts should work fine?
not sure at the moment. their two stroke models are having issues with main bearing failures at low hours: czcams.com/video/AJOE3I0Vc4M/video.html
and the four stroke models are generally good but their electrical systems have been quite unreliable the past year or two. quality control seems to be slipping at the factory. 😥 czcams.com/video/-TpjNBz0n4A/video.html
Hello, thanks for the information. One question, where did you get the clutch lever?.
This is an old vid now, Ricardo. Was it a lighter clutch lever? Probably the Midwest in that case.
@@crosstrainingadventure Exactly, to put the lever lighter.
For me the main problems with this is the service intervals with typical dirtbikes. Talks of oil changes every 4 hours or daily chain service make them a “no no” to me. What’s your view? What do you consider a long enough service interval? Also, what gear ratio would you consider long enough for this application? Cheers
If you google around you'll see guys have done oil tests to see how far they can ride an 'adventurised' dirt bike before needing an oil change... it's a fair way if you don't push the engine hard. Gear changes? So many variables, it's impossible to say.
@@crosstrainingadventure thanks. Regarding gears, i suspect I wasn’t clear: I was referring to your comment in a video on comparison some dirtbikes on their adventure potential, when you said about one of the bikes that it has too short gears for highway use. I’m wondering how to make that judgement, whether it’s possible to make it arithmetically, say on the final gear ratio, or you just have to test and try.
Enjoying a lots of your videos, wish I had some places like yours near here. Cheers.
Man you know your bikes.I want to retire my drz 400 with somthing w more power and lighter,but love the reliably and low mantance is there a bike out there for me? Maybe beta 500 re s????
this won't help unfortunately :)
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Take a look at the Honda CRF450L. Kinda lame there, engine wise, unless you get the better ECM.
How does the Beta RS390 compare to the DRZ 400S. Can you do a video. ( weight difference, maintanance schedual, performance etc? Thanks bud.
totally different bikes allen, bit like comparing apples and pears. the specs would be easily found by googling though.
Thanks for the response. Which one is more fun to ride. I have the DRZ400. I like it but find the front end heavy especially in sand dificult to handle. And a little short on power. It's missing a little bit of balls. Thanks Bud.
we have no idea which bike you would enjoy more, we have done general stuff about choosing a bike though czcams.com/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/video.html
I am keen on the 390, but it appears there are no Beta dealers in Brisbane anymore .
there never was tony. a dealer near beenleigh had to close down for personal reasons. there's a dealer in toowoomba, a new one on the sunshine coast soon....
I will give Beta Australia a call in regards to the Sunshine Coast dealer.
Gday Barry
What sort of fuel range did you get from the 480? I’m hearing about 130kms from the stock tank which seems heavy
Cheers
This is a pretty old video now, Paul. Hard to remember... at least 20km/l for adventure riding. Probably 25 just cruising in top gear.
I'm trying to decide whether I should get a husaberg 570 or a new beta 500 for singletrack dirt biking and light adv riding. Bike will also pull double duty as a snow bike in the winter and I'm roughly 114kg when suited up. OZ i trust your opinion, what should i do?!
i'll be no help, there are so many variables involved i wouldn't even trust my own opinion lol. i wish they still make the 570 though. or wish they sold the patent to some mob like SWM or AJP to resurrect them. 😥
Well i think I'm onto the only one for sale in the whole country right now...
You're making me regret my crf250l purchase lol. I'm already trying to get more out of it at 300 miles by gearing extra.
But your little crf will take you around the world, and I bet it would do it with only one oil change. It's just two completely different philosophies of adv riding...
With a 13 tooth front sprocket and a set of dunlop d606s you'd be amazed at all the places it can take you.
Is the 390 too powerful for an intermediate/advanced beginner rider? (ie been riding for 1.5 years)
there are probably at least 10 variables to be considered and because of this we avoid making recommendations like the plague: czcams.com/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/video.html best thing is get a test ride if possible.
hi man nice video as always I no you don't get thee bikes over there but seen ones on CZcams videos if you got time maybe you have a look and see AJP PR 7 😎
love to, if they get over here eventually
Big Dog! 8:51
I'd really like to see you do a review on the 1190 adv r
unfortunately way too big and heavy for the sort of riding we do, andrew
I know, I know :)
it doesn't seem to slow down chris birch though.... czcams.com/video/NpCubYprqFQ/video.html
No,it doesn't :) , I know all his videos like the back of my hand. :))
Is this you riding in black tee?
Guy I know from #Thumpertalk has a beta rrs500 with a little over 10 thousand miles on it and the only maintenance hes done to it is replaced the clutch disks twice and the clutch basket once. Of course that's minus regular oil and filter changes, but for putting 10k miles on a glorified dirt bike that's flipping awesome considering that I damn near rebuild my engine once or twice a year on my yz that I use as a dual sport. Been a Yamaha fan my entire life, but I'm sold on the beta rrs500, or beta in general really. I mean seriously, the beta 125 2 stroke can be made street legal and tagged ffs!!! So that in and of itself is a killer selling point for me cause I'm pretty much sick of always riding dirty on whatever dirt bike I have that cant be tagged but I ride on the rd anyway and always taking a chance of getting pulled over. So yeah, I'm over the Yamaha's letting me down as far as a dual sport goes cause I'm not spending close to 7k on a wr250r dual sport that's weak as watered down koolaid, or the xt250, or the tw200, that's even weaker. Yamaha has 3 dual sport models and basically, they all suck. Maybe not for everyone cause not everyone likes the kinda power that I like, so some ppl like them I'm sure. But, personally, if it cant power wheelie in 5th gear, I dont want it. The only bad thing iv found on the beta 4 strokes, and its a personal gripe not an actual bad thing cause it's a better more high performance platform than a regular valve system thats more easily adjustable but lower performance, is that the valve system beta uses is the same shim under bucket system that I was trying to get away from in the first place. It makes adjusting the valves obviously more difficult, but at least they went with just 4 valves instead of 5, so I suppose that's a plus lol. So yes, I'm all about these Italian princesses 😘.
I can't seem to find a windscreen / fairing for the Beta 500 rs. Seems this would really extend the time / distance I could cover. Has anyone come across something aftermarket? Appreciate the help!
Yes, but sorry I don't have the link handy.
do ypu think the g2 throttle tamer would be good for a yz85 for enduro
no idea, haven't ridden bikes that size since 1975. :(
Have you guys got any thoughts on the klx450r for lightweight adventure riding? I recently bought one for three grand, and I know it's basically a detuned 2008 kx450, but I would like some other opinions before I spend big on a fuel tank and stator and all the other adv mods. Long term reliability, highway ridable or not etc
Thanks
Never ridden one, Joey. And it's incredibly rare to see any lean mean green beasts in our area.
@@crosstrainingadventure I'll go scour the web and all the dirtbike forums. So far I've discovered the aftermarket support for them is abysmal, you need to buy parts for a kx450 and they usually bolt on.
@@joeycourtice4157 The Italians have "modified" the KX450X into a dual sport, maybe only for the European market(?) Former model name was KX450XC - cross country. It is street legal and goes surprisingly well on back/ conecting and country roads up to 60mph. But the high-revving engine is more suited to the mx racing track. Whoops ツ
two seperate oil compartments. i did not know that...
Eggggcellent
that mr burns stuff always cracks me up....
Any reviews/comments on high mileage 390/500 engine bikes? Will it last over 10K Kms without incident?
czcams.com/video/qSg2sll6yEo/video.html
I've got around 7k on my RR430 2016', only oil changes and valve service. Engine looks perfect, at least that's what my dealer says (and I guess that's true, lol). 7k KMs, around 50kph on average, so it's got around 136 hours.
Oil changes every 500 miles (30 to 40 hours), 2.4 gallon tank, seat, and lack of rack options make this a limited dual sport option for the western US.
hahhahahahhahahahahhahaahahaha.
have you ever been to Australia🤣🤣 its a bit more remote than the U.S of A hole
This vs DR650.. what would you pick?
That would depend on a huge pile of variables... very different types of bikes.
what jacket are you wearing in this video?
klim's ventilated jacket, nick
Anyone have experience with the beta RR-s models? I'm looking to buy one, the dealer here is sold out of the 2017s so looking st the 2018 already. Only thing I don't like is betabis ditching the kickstarter! However the bike lost8lbs. Anyone have one of these bikes?
HI- well I ride a 2012 Beta 450RR and absolutely love it. Well built, reliable and very capable off-road. It goes everywhere I point it - the gnarly stuff and the open trails. Easy to ride too. If you want you can buy a kickstart kit for the new 2018 bikes (or just buy a 2017 bike). Beta are the logical alternative to KTM with many advantages over the Austrian bikes (which I really like too). Buy one - you won't regret it.
And what about Beta Xtrainer - too soft???
we've reviewed it already on the enduro channel, see our comments there
whats the enduro channel called
I owned 2 drz 400eds, and im looking hard on a beta 390☺ anyone know how much torque and hp it got??:)
Enough. You need to really grab the handlebar to stay on the bike.