Was Jamaine Ortiz Robbed in Teofimo Lopez Fight? Teddy Atlas Analysis
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- Teddy Atlas talks about the lackluster performance of Teofimo Lopez against Jamaine Ortiz, and discusses the scorecards. Did Jamaine Ortiz get robbed against Teofimo Lopez?
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That running style is the reason why boxing losing fans.. judges need to change the scoring to increase engagement.
Absolutely
Definitely, for sure 90% of boxing fans are casual. They want to see entertaining fights and don't give a shit about sweet science and bs
Ain't no running in boxing
Ortiz gave me hope in becoming a boxer I already bought my running shoes and started training
Oritz was boring?=Yes
Ortiz won this fight by points?=Yes
Does Lopez know how to cut the ring to a southpaw?= Nope
Did he win because he came with a deadpool costume and move more money?= Yes
Its not just that he doesnt know how to cut off the ring. His footwork is terrible going forward. Its so flat footed. Thats a huge flaw especially if we ever get a fight with him and haney. Haney is gonna dance circles around him and be more active than ortiz was.
How did ortiz win when he connected less and only threw jabs🤦🏾♂️ you swear he won by pointd though.
Neither one landed many punches. Thats why you have to go to the second or third criteria for this fight.
@@The053199Ortiz connect more and cleaner and controlled the range and distance most fight
I don't think Ortiz was robbed, but Teo definitely didn't win. A draw made the most sense for me. Teo looked absolutely lost in there though.
Draw no learn boxing. Teo won
Who missed a whole bunch of punches???Should have been a draw the least.
Its amazing to me that its the same guy who fought beautifully vs Loma to what he is now, Teo needs help, he needs a real trainer who isn't gonna let him do what he wants but rather do what they teach, no discipline
Imo Ortiz beat Loma and teo
117-111 wasn't watching the fight.
Maybe they thought Ortiz was running away the whole fight
I agree on that 115 113 was more appropriate
That judge filled out his card BEFORE the fight 😂
Start with a US-wide boxing commission, and take it from there ...
a strategy involves combat. Ortiz just survived for 12 rounds and said he controlled the fight for hopscotching all night. Make that ring 16ft and cutting the ring off becomes possible.
Absolutely.. hopscotching 😂
It's really hard to look good against that kind of boxer. Imagine if Shakur and Ortiz fights.
I also felt like Ortiz deserved to win by virtue of implementing a plan. Teo was puzzled for the first 5-6 rounds and trying to lunge in with his hands down out of frustration. It wasn’t the prettiest performance by Ortiz, or the most punishing, but it technically was working. It’s just funny bc if Teo was the one that fought that way they still would’ve given him the victory and he might have even been praised for the performance.
Ortiz had more moves than Denny Terrio.
I saw the fight 3x now. The more I see it the more rounds I give to Teo. Ortiz was boxing 50% of the time rest of the time was surviving. You cannot win a fight by surviving.
Who was the commentator that kept saying the judge was a good judge? Suspicious af
They need to use punch stats as another metric with the ring side judging. The people inputing punch stats seem to get it right way more then judges.
This is not the first Vegas fight that has drawn such controversy and it won't be the last and that is because Vegas awards points for aggression. This is to ensure that punters get what they pay for instead of watching one guy running all night.
Good🤷🏽♂️
If all boxers fight like Ortiz, then no one will watch boxing. For sure 90% of boxing fans are casuals and want to see entertaining fights they don't give a shit about your sweet science.
Here's a problem. Are you guys do is talk about the big fights when controversy happens? Unless you say something about the small fights? Nobody cares. Start from the bottom work your way up not from the top and hope it trickles down. My son fought on that card. Didn't even get a chance to show anything. Got dropped one time was getting up at 2 and the referee stopped it and said the corner threw in the towel. We never threw in the towel but the right guy got the knock down so no one cared
It's bullshit when u prepare ur self for a fight u deserve ur fair shake I'm sorry that happened to ur son I'm teaching my son to box I just don't want him to compete fr that's a different beast god bless u an your son lemme know if there is a way to follow ur son an show support
Sorry to hear that. I had a major health scare and had to be hospitalized so I didn't get to see all the fights. Sounds messed up. I hope your son is okay and rebounds from the crappy stoppage.
Teo is the new Rolly
😂
Ha!
Perfect description!
Yeah, the new Rolly is right!😂😂😂
Should have been a split dicision. if ray lennard won hagler using the same techniques then one of the score cards was rigged.
Ortiz won 7 rounds minimum. To win a fight you simply have to win more rounds. Entertainment is secondary.
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what 7 rounds you talking about.? I watched that fight in slow motion and the only round id give Ortiz is the 2nd rd. Game plan? To go and run they call that a game plan.?
No doubt this world is upside down.
@@evenorderas9526Ortiz was jabbing and countering teo most of the fight. What are you talking about? lol. You only get points for aggression if its effective. Teo was completely ineffective and frustrated. I counted about 4 rounds id give to teo only because ortiz slowed down and didnt throw enough to win the round. Ortiz won the fight 8-4 or 7-5 imo. Even a draw would have sufficed.
@@Mike-hy8cs Ortiz was completly ineffective those jabs bever landed. Teo got the power punches and clear punches. Rocking Ortiz head back. When teofimo invited Ortiz in the corner he throu like 13 punches only landed 1 and gat an uppercut from Teo.
@@evenorderas9526 Neither guy landed a lot of punches. Ortiz was winning rounds because he was active enough to win them. Teo was always out of range or throwing wild power shots that missed by a mile away. Ortiz landed jabs and counter lefts in this fight not often (cause neither fighter landed often) but he did. If you cant see that watch the fight over again. Idk what else to tell you.
Mental or not , teo and his pops would definitely are the type to kick you if you are down . Or trash talk you or try to put you out of business for their own benefit . They said they wanted Ortiz out of boxing , don’t promote Ortiz . Give Ortiz his prop Ms and his credit
Since people love what ortiz did and think its “great”boxing.. lets put ortiz vs sandor martin and i wanna see all the people that think these two won against teo to pay for the ppv of martin and ortiz since its “beautiful”boxing.
i gladly will💯
@@kennethyoungjr6349 any real boxing fan would.. what’s your point???
I stand with teddy. Even in the amateurs I went through a lot of injustice.do to a lot of favoritism for other fighter’s and it suck’s.in professional boxing 🥊 it’s getting worse.
I just look at it as one of those fights where neither man won Ortiz was constantly on his bike and landed nothing significant Teo doesn’t know how to cut the ring on a southpaw and also landed nothing significant just a bad showing from both men however I also thought Ortiz did enough to win
It’s still, silly to cry and whine about a man moving around when you can’t do anything to stop him from moving
Teos footwork was terrible. He was getting so frustrated that he would sit in the corner and beg for ortiz to come to him which ortiz did and ortiz would win the exchange there anyway lol
Teo won
Teddy still mad TEO !! Beat loma 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣till this day
No robbery as far as i could see!
It definitely wasn’t unanimous but there's no way Ortiz won, at the very least a draw.
Ortiz didn't do enough
Difference between Trinidad and Teo is that Trinidad actually did some work when ODH stopped fighting. Even in the close exchanges Teo didn't dominate.
I completely disagree with TEddy. Ortiz wasn't boxing, he was running. He was NOT landing any serious punches on Lopez. He only landed 80 punches all night! But neither did Lopez have a good strategy. He didn't cut off the ring, seemed like he had never been trained to cut off the ring. I scored the fight 0-0. Neither deserved the win.
I see where you coming from but you can find 7 rounds ortiz won but no way in hell you find them for teo he was lost i there
Sorry that strategy needs to include or at least attempt to be offensive.
Ortiz is a special talent. First 12 rounder he ran Lomo very very close then in this fight he stays leftie all 12 rounds
He did such a poor job of ring cutting and pin pointing Ortiz. Ortiz was the more deserving winner and I’m so tired of seeing fighters complain and get frustrated just because the opponent isn’t doing what they’d like them to do. ITS YOUR JOB TO STOP THEM
And yes Ortiz could’ve done more
If the world were that way it might work, Teddy, love your heart, however.
I watched that fight rooting for Teo, because I feel like people discredit him just because they don’t like him personally, but I’m always willing to be objective in what I see. Ortiz should have gotten the decision. MAYBE you could convince me that it could’ve been a draw. There’s NO WAY that Teo should have gotten a UNANIMOUS DECISION. The guy who gave it a 117 to 111 decision for Lopez should have his credentials permanently revoked in all 50 states. I hate this for boxing. Too many of these judges are either too incompetent or corrupt, to be in the position there in.
Why it's always have to be mental health? These are grown men, always some sensitive ish! An it's crazy how someone have to act a certain way just to fight. Everything is bs and Hollywood these days
I had it 116-112 Teo. Ortiz did not win that fight. When there is no offense, you got to give it to the guy who appears to be more aggressive and pressing the fight.
Ortiz showed his boxing skills. Not as a brawler but as a technical boxer. I’ll take it although I would prefer a knockout. Ortiz won in my opinion.
Yeah he got robbed. He didn’t do a lot himself but the score cards were insane. A unanimous decision for teo?!!! Ortiz was countering teo all night. If teo won a split i woulda still made a debate for ortiz to win but the unanimous decision with score being 117-111 is actually blasphemy
Whats all night to you😂 Ortiz barely threw any punches. This isnt the sweet science. Its not a gameplan. Its just surviving 12 rounds and giving credit for throwimg jabs. If youre gonna back pedal then you better dominate every punch category🤷🏽♂️
@@The053199 bruh was countering him. Nothing pretty or exciting. But enough to keep teo at bay
Leonard used basically the same tactics vs Hagler but Ortiz isn’t the golden boy
Anybody who truly believes that the result of the fight is even questionable let alone controversial, genuinely has a badly distorted sense of visual perception. Teofimo Lopez won the fight. Jamaine Ortiz ran for nearly the whole fight & I can’t understand how anybody who understands boxing can possibly think that he won.
You don’t get points for making your opponent miss, Lopez won more rounds he had more punches connect,the fight was close so give it to the aggressor.
I respect the hell out of Teddy Atlas. However, I agree with Ken on this one. I watched the fight back and scored it round by round not caring what round it was. I added up the points and Teo won by 1 round on my card. I am not a boxer but this reminds me of how Derrick Gainer fought Juan Manuel Marquez. Anyone please watch that fight. Running or not I still had Teo winning. I share Antonio Tarver's opinion. Disagree with me but I have an opinion. Opinions are a55holes and I'm an a55hole. Good day to you all.
I think it was close I had it 6to6 7to5 in either direction isn't crazy I forget the knockdowns if any but it was a close one but neither guy won 9rds which is what one judge said
@@acdc123456781 I agree neither fighter won 9 rounds. It was tough to score, not much to work with. Like what are we judging. Most of the rounds they were landing almost the same amount of punches. I guess I favored the aggressor.
I'd say Teo barely barely won, though really as a champ it was his fight to lose so to speak. Sure Jermaine had a great plan but it was a stinker of one. I guess I'm with the old-school look of to be the champ you gotta beat the champ, which was not the case. On the biggest fight of his life Jermaine forgot that boxing aside you need to put on a show (it is a business at the end of the day), I'm not sure many people will want to pay to watch him in the future... though I could be wrong. Overall, Jermaine landed 2 more punches overall but Teo was more accurate overall, landed more power shots and seemingly was the one who did more damage and 'pressed' the action. It really was a rough fight to watch, for all he accomplished Teo seems incapable of cutting off the ring which is ridiculous.
Seems like Lopez Sr is destroying his son’s career..
teofimo clearly had no gameplan going into this fight. It seemed like they just said go in there and do your thing!
He wasn’t running, Ken. He just wasn’t standing still and giving Lopez what he wanted. He was trying to act slick and kept getting caught when he’d go into the corner
He wasnt running the problem was the first half of the fight ortiz was looking good then he slowed down the 2nd half and stopped throwing or countering like he was in the first half. If he had kept up his activity he would have won an easy decision.
if he came in with the perfect plan, why didn't Ortiz outland Teofimo by a lot? i mean, he landed 2 JABS more and thats it. Lomachenko out landed devin by almost 20 punches still didn't get the win, i thought you had to take it from the champion Blablabla
Maybe Ortiz should put on headgear...
Kriegel is going to support Weisfeld no matter what. Read between the lines.
That fight was bad for boxing…. Ortiz won that fight. It doesn’t fucking matter if it looks sexy or not. Teo not being able to cut off a ring is his problem. Sean porter new how to trap people who were running….
You sounding Cus, Investigating the boxing commission.
You get what you reward. If you want boring fights then reward Ortiz's strategy. Ortiz was never effective. Lopez landed the most effective punches and dictated the pace of the fight. There's nothing wrong with boxing and moving but it has to be effective - otherwise it becomes amateur point fighting and I won't watch that.
When will people realize Weisfeld is a horrible judge? I still cannot forgive him for costing Granados the fight agaisnt Broner back in 2017. There needs to be. national committee reviewing these judges. And these "traveling judges" are a joke.
Ken should stick to MMA. Ortiz did not run! It's called the sweet science when done right. And Ortiz put on an exhibition. It was not a close fight, it was a clear blowout. Ortiz frustrated the guy and made him miss all night long. Rounds were close but decisively won by Ortiz! If you dont know what you saw that night, you should be a fan of something else. MMA is great for you.
If you “hate” any particular style, you can’t possibly be a fair arbiter or even observer (let alone a true fan) of the sport. By admitting that you “hate that style” you are effectively admitting to hating a group of boxers and therefore will automatically introduce bias in both your judging and commentary. Let’s not even talk about reffing. Boxing needs better than ppl like this. What’s more, and even more disturbing is that some styles are particular to some ethnic/racial groups - Mexican fighters are known to fight closer inside the pocket while AA fighters are known to fight from the outside, use more lateral movement and box more. The problem with these so-called analysts and experts is they fail to understand that there’s more than one way to win a fight and simply bc you dislike a style doesn’t mean that said style can’t win a boxing match. Do better. And this is coming from a Boxing Ref.
thought Ortiz won the fight was boring to watch wouldn't say what Ortiz did was running, boring/strategic but not running Teo had no idea what to do couldn't cut off the ring n couldn't land shit
Teddy your wrong Ortiz lost and the reference to Oscar was PERFECT!!. I like Ortiz but he wont be the A side fighting that style. Tim Bradley is a young Larry Merchant and boxing is what Money May, Sweat pea and Sugar Ray Leonard did to PERFECTION!!. They made people pay with clean shots. Slapping people pitty patting and running around the boxing ring. Is not what fans pay for to see. Devin Haney boxes beautifully with no one punch knock out power but clinches alot smart move but he is not a boring fighter. Shakur last fight and Ortiz recent fight is why people watch UFC instead Abel Sanchez who is an AWESOME trainer switched off the Ortiz vs Lopez fight to watch re runs of 2 and a half men. Antonio Tarver (a great one) said Ortiz lost with that Finnessing style.Which, in my opinion is basicaly gym sparring on national Tv!! Not the boxing clinic Crawford put on Errol Spence.. Thats boxing and you know that Teddy. I expected more from you. Your co host explained it better with facts
Teo deserve the win … Ortiz run too much. Like chicken we don’t want to see this type of fighter…..
Teddy you support that fighting style calling boxing because strategy that makes boxing look real bad. Ortiz loss that opportunity, Teo won! Ortiz could have done more to win the belts and did not box but ran like a chicken. Finessing is bad for the sport.
A bad desicion one do not engage and one is one dimetional fighter who cant cut off the ring...draw
I don't need to watch this to know that Ortiz won the fight. Lopez lost against Loma too. But, in boxing if you want to win guaranteed, you gotta knock 'em out.
Teo beat Loma he went in there and fought like a man. And on the 12th round he almost knock him out.
i enjoyed the fight Ortiz boxed his head off Lopez is limited he couldnt adjust.
Teddy your wrong. The guy ran fpr 12 rounds. Delahoya at least fought. for 9. The guy really just ran. Teo won that fight.
Teofimo was the one holding the titles. If you fight for a title it is your job to destroy your opponent and TAKE his title. Not run away all fight... Ortiz fight style that night is not good for boxing...
Politics shouldnt factor in. If you win you win simple as that. Was a boring fight but Ortiz probably should have won or at most a draw. Teo didnt win that fight. You dont win fights by just coming forward. Its called effective aggression and teo was totally ineffective. The only rounds i gave teo were about 4 and it was mostly because ortiz slowed down and stopped his activity (as low as it was already).
@@Mike-hy8cs actually yes you do win fights for coming forward, thats why judges have to score and factor in "ring control". Teofimo had complete ring control while ortiz continuously ran away. Fighters win titles ALL THE TIME for ring control... Its good for the sport as well as the audience.
@@Mike-hy8cs has nothing to do with politics, but if you get a completely dull fight such as that night, you leave the judges no choice but to factor in politics...
Ni forest gump corrio tanto como corrio ortiz😂
I disagree. This is such an odd take from someone... ahh, who cares. If he was running, then the ref would've called for aggression. He didn't, so I think that argument isn't valid. He boxed all fight, and deserves credit for it, especially in the moments when he was invited in, or held the pocket WITH and LONGER than Teo.
No, he was not robbed
Yes he was. Shut up.
Robbed lol, ortiz ran all night. Its a clear teofimo win, hes just an idiot so people dont like tp give him credit
Why couldn't he stop him from running?
You don’t know boxing
@lad-bo9ll Agree.. I find this take from Teddy a little ironic and dare I say hypocritical. This is the same guy who yells at his fighters in the corner that they are blowing it. Ortiz blew it. Yes Teo did not cut off the ring but there was one guy attacking landing more power shots and one guy running away trying to steal rounds and not get knocked out. This was not a robbery. 117-111 to me is wrong because the rounds were so close but you have to be willing to fight.
@@cperceptionsmusic it’s cLled effective aggressiveness. Teo wasn’t Landing and wasn’t showing ring generalship so according to the rules to how boxing is scored no way teo won that fight. This isn’t rooted in an opinion. It’s based on marquees queenbury rules, which are judged by: clean landed punches, affective aggressiveness, defense (yea you get points for defense!), and RING GENERALSHIP. Teo wasn’t landing clean punches and wasn’t doing any of the above so if a round is given to him and he did none of the above it’s clearly corrupted! You’re not making sense because you don’t know boxing! You can win a round without throwing a punch, ie Willie Pep!!!! Because if ring generalship and defense. If the other guy isn’t landing and isn’t cutting the damn ring off which is boxing 101 then he does NOT win thag round. That’s not an opinion it’s a fact.
@@harwn999so Ortiz was controlling the ring? Maybe he was conttolling the ropes. Whats wrong with you people
And still !!!! Y’all mad awwwww
Draw
Teo lost that fight! Or at least he should have!
Ortiz vs Shakur I would like to see who would out run the other cuz believe me it wouldn't b a boxing match hahahaa
Remember, two of the three judges in this fight were involved in trying to rob Bivol in the Canelo fight.
I really don’t need to say any more than that.
Don't blame Canelo for that, blame the judge. Canelo dared to be great.
These the same people who praise Willy Pep for winning a round without throwing a punch. Seems like they only like the style when it’s done by someone that looks like them
I didn't watch the fight but Lopez hasn't impressed me for a long time now
What are you talking about? You weren’t impressed by his performance against Josh Taylor? That’s who he fought before Ortiz. Taylor was the man at 140 (lineal champion). Teo beat him soundly and even toyed with him a bit.
@@theojk no not impressed, Taylor not a world beater by any means, so it has less meaning to me.
@@sshumkaer what standards are YOU basing “world beater” as? Taylor was the winner of the super series at 140, and defeated world champions to become undisputed at 140. He was undefeated before losing to Teo (even though everyone thought Taylor loss to Catterall), it was still objectively impressive for Teo to win, in the manner he did. Go watch the fight.
@@theojk You know what I mean.
@@sshumkaer no I really don’t. Not entirely convinced that you know for yourself, either. You’re just throwing around statements and opinions and no facts to support.
Teo purposely headbutt Ortiz, then people complain he ran at the end. Ya you get cut like that and see what you do. But NO ONE is saying what Teo did, because he didnt do anything lol.
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This podcast is so one-sided Teddy carries this podcast. He is the only reason I watch...
As he should. No disrespect to Ken, who seems like a solid guy who knows what he’s talking about, but I don’t much care for his boxing analysis compared to Teddy who’s been a part of this sport for over 50 years. I think Ken does a good job of staying out of Teddy’s way.
@@Riles3152 Great revision my bro👊🏾👊🏾💯
You talk like the outcomes aren't rigged. Winners are predetermined. No concussion protocol?
I hate when they play deffense? Go watch world star.
Defense isnt avoiding contact for 12 rounds just to say you controlled the fight
I agree with Teddy, I thought Teo lost. It wasn’t the type of fight I like to see. Ortiz should have engaged more. The promoters gave way too much power and influence. They are running to sport.
Scoring boxing matches is a subjective art. People who run should be penalized by the judges...
Lara vs Canelo all over again.
Canelo beat Lara fair and square.