EUROVISION VOTING ANALYSIS - Where did the TOP 6 get their votes from? + most surprising votes
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- Where did the Top 6 of Eurovision 2023: Loreen, Käärijä, Noa Kirel, Marco Mengoni and Alessandra get their votes from, which region of Europe prefered Marco Mengoni, where did Käärijä clean up in the televote and why did Loreen actually win?
Who did the rest of the world like and what were the most shocking voting moments of 2023?
00:00 Intro
00:37 Finland
02:48 Sweden
05:00 Israel
06:45 Italy
09:10 Norway
10:50 Ukraine
12:44 Best moments during voting
13:23 Most shocking votes
14:50 Rest of the World votes
Which were your favorite moments during the voting? - Zábava
Finland being the only country not to give Sweden a single televote point is actually hilarious since it's coming from the televoters. Had it been the juries voting like that it would've been shady and you'd have cause to believe foul play was going on behind the scenes, but the fact that millions of Finns were so disciplined on the night to vote tactically like that is actually impressive.
I can't even be mad.
But still not very ”ESC” of them 😅
I agree, it's hilarious 😂 I mean it's kind of petty but it's televote so what can you do. Also I don't think we wanted to punish Loreen or anything like that, we just thought we deserve this win, it's our time so we all gave our support to Käärijä by not voting for Sweden. But who knows, maybe Sweden was 11th in the televote, we don't know that. 🤷🏻♀️
@@maijapoppanen218 It wasn't against Loreen herself but more likely against juries. Tattoo was a good song but there were also many other interesting songs to choose from.
Ashamed for them.
Does it mean that the Finnish jury is corrupt or the people extremely tactical?😅
Marco's performance on that night was so pure and moving I belive it won over many viewers who initially passed over this entry as just another ballad.
I guess you are correct, but i don't understand it. Still think it was boring.
Bro it was so boring I was so shocked when I saw it got points. I was shocked about Sweden and Israel as well. Maybe it's cause I didn't really look at what people think before, but still.
When I listened to him, I thought, that technically he is really good, but the song is a bit boring. Maybe if he had had a better song...
@@patrickuotinen Italy just hosted last year, they don't want to win again so soon, just like Ukraine sending a meh entry this year.
I just got to say, Finland actually freaking loved Alessandra! It’s a perfect storm, every finn is just as shocked about the finnish votes as the rest of Europe. It’s truly amazing and unusual, but not some sort of nation wide conspiracy against Sweden. Some of media has behaved grossly, but Käärijä himself has been very vocal about respectibg Loreen and not standing for baseless bullying.
We always complain about neighbor voting, but also seem to take it as self evident part of Eurovision, something that SOULD happen, even if what we say out loud is the polar opposite. Nobody is entitled to any particular points. This would have been worthy of criticism if our juries had done the same - but on purpose. They did not, and it’s petty to complain about Finland when Sweden received 12 points from us anyway.
It was a tiny crowd who complaint. The average just don't care. It's the love and hate relationship between Finland and Sweden "Finnkampen" i guess.
Do the rest too, the best ESC results analysis, very easy to follow.
Finland televote is really impresive with 6 as lowest points from any country
I'm sure that there were tactical voters in Finland, but Finnish taste in music is also usually a bit heavier which was shown by giving points to Australia and Germany ( I too voted for Australia) If televoters would send their 12, 10 ,8 ...1 lists instead of single vote then I believe Sweden would have gotten points. At least for me it was in my top 5, but I always just send a single vote.
but every other year finland gives sweden points. I find this game ugly
@@helloHello-wk8de So what's your point? That Finns are obliged to give Sweden points every time even if they don't like the song?
@@marsukarhu9477 my point is that they were tactic, and now they are bad loosers. Sweden were genuin and still voted for Finland. They didnt care if Finland won.
@@helloHello-wk8de So rigging the whole contest so that Sweden can host the big "ABBA 50 Year Anniversary" 2024 is OK? Yikes.
@@marsukarhu9477 hahaha that's the most far-fetched idea I've heard. People voted for Sweden. And the jury with TASTE voted for her. Thats why she won. She deserves it
The 10 televote points from Germany to Italy were probably all mine, but I'm so glad he did well in both votings, he certainly deserves it, and I hope he can build a great career outside of Italy. Glad to see him in concert later this year in Germany!
I know you're joking, but it's still worth mentioning that 10 televote points from the largest European country probably means 100s of thousands of individual televotes, so they can't be all yours. ;) Saying this because I can see that so many people don't understand how the voting and the point system works, with people saying "How come X country didn't get any televotes, I voted for them and all my friends, where are out points???" People don't give points, but votes, that are added up and ranked, and the points are assigned to the top 10 most voted countries.
I can't believe that Finland didn't give Jury votes to Alessandra! I'm ashamed! At least I voted for her...
I have seen in the comments the same discussion about Sweden not getting any points from the Finnish public.
One thing we all forget is that the points are awarded to the top 10 songs in each country.
What if Alexandra ended up being 11 for the Finnish jury? What if Loreen ended up being 11 in Finland’s televote?
Just a good exercise for the imagination, I think.
@@florinaburdet Loreen was 13th in the Finnish televote. Finland did give her 5 telepoints in the Semi-Final though. The entitlement from my fellow Swedes was hilarious. They were crying on reddit and being hurt that we didn’t automatically give them 12 points. Alessandra was more interesting for Finns, while Finns have heard a generic Swedish pop song like tattoo about a million times. There may have been some strategic voting but I don’t think that much.
@@vem9583 It's reported here that the telecast told people to vote none swede.
@@PennyAfNorberg That is not true. I speak Finnish and they never said anything like that, it’s just a rumour likely started by Swedes. In fact one of the commentators had praised Loreen nearly throughout the entire show.
@@PennyAfNorberg The commentators are very professional and never tell anyone who to vote or not vote for. This is Finland not Azerbaijan
Actually i dont think it was just "tactical voting" from Finland (surely some did not vote it for that reason too), but we just dont like "overpolished" Sweden entries/ballady songs so much, and this Final had alot of great songs that suit Finnish taste more. Instead we gave points to pretty much all rock songs (Germany would suffer even more without us 😂). And Czechia, possible since it was right after Finland, and the beginning somehow sounds a bit like Finnish.
I'm equally curious how Alessandra got 0 points from Finnish jury but with only a few people in each country I suppose it is to be expected.
My man you gave more televote points to Tusse than to Loreen. Freakin Tusse! In a much stronger year than this one.
@@adamtideman4953at least he was a new artist first time in the eurovision. im quite sure people didnt vote for loreen because not only has sweden won eurovision too many times (compared to some countries that havent won at all or only once and still have great entrys), loreen's song wasnt as good as euphoria. at least euphoria was somewhat dancable, tattoo really isnt. at let me tell you, we like music we can party to 😅 many finns probably thought our vote would be more use given to new chances instead of voting for an artist that already had millions of followers in social media. it wasnt simply a tactical vote. there were many factors.
I think Germany might have done even better in the Finnish televote, if they hadn't tried to curry favour with Sweden by singing "Sweden better".
@@patrickuotinen haha, though they really sang Sweden Bitter LOL
Forget abolishing the juries, the real problem is A. paying per vote, and B. how wildly different the cost per vote was country-to-country.
tbh the different price per country doesnt really matter. since the votes turns into 12, 10, 8, etc. points it doesnt really matter if a million people voted from one country or 1000 from another
@@etnolk ...are you familiar with the concept of free and fair elections? This would be example of an election that is free, but not fair. We should want more peope to vote, part of the whole thing of Eurovision is that it is a celebration of democracy, where every country's votes matter.
@@josephaugustinerhodenhiser1353 every countries vote matter because every countries votes gets turned into the same amount of points no matter how many people voted. I don't know how to make it any fairer than that. Would it be better if it was free too? Sure, but then we wouldn't have an Eurovision because it would go bankrupt instantly
My voting behavior was shaped by social media.
As a Finn I gave most of my votes to Norway and Slovenia. The final show did not affected my points anymore, they were already decided a long before.
Alessandra and Bojan have given me along with Käärijä so much joy, laugh and happiness via social media during the Eurovision journey that it almost feld like voting a friend. It did not mattered at all that on which country they are from.
I also love their songs but I'm not sure which came first, the love for person or for the song.
The rest of votes went for Austria and Germany based on social media, interviews and reaction videos but I also love their songs.
My algorithm hasn't shown any similar good moods videos of Loreen, if it had I could have voted for her too. The only video I've seen was Melodifestivalen participants' reactions to songs from other countries, and that video gave more of a negative than a positive feeling.
I always vote for the person behind the show. In the end the song, singing ability or the country doesn't matter after I found a person that I like. I don't know if I'm the only one who thinks like this, maybe not?
It's a factor even for me. For ex I absolutly hated Käärijäs song before getting to know him. And in the end I voted him to win (also voted for Croatia, Czechia, Spain and Ukraine bc great songs and performances). Ofc I also wanted Loreen to win (couldn't vote). On the other hand I had some artists that turned me off by their lack of personality or for beeing kind of arrogant (imo). But I wouldn't have voted for them anyway since the songs wasn't doing it for me (besides UK. Liked the song but she turned me off). It's interesting that likeability is so important to some of us. But I think it has been a huge factor even before social media exploded.
Would love to see this for all 26 countries! Thanks for all of this post-final analysis, curing the initial PED we're all feeling!
You have it on wikipedia
Where? I did these maps...
Thanks matt ;). I will try to do it ;)
@@eurovisionhistories You have all the statistics on wikipedia and some fan web sites
@eurovisionhistories Another vote from me for doing maps of all the entries. Yes, we can look at the numbers on Wikipedia, but it's easier to absorb the info from color coded maps.
I would definitely watch you break down the rest of the results
The way crowd in the arena reacted to Käärinä speaks volumes🔊 He is an icon, he is a legend, he is the true winner in the people's hearts💚 The jury system needs to be changed. In the semifinals there were already no juries. In the final maybe not removed completely but the power of points could be 25% to juries and 75% to televotes.
or making 2 winners, jury and televote.
@@theChramoX this sounds like the best suggestion so far that I have seen.
@@omaewamoushindeiru6581 how hard?
@@theChramoX Oh hell no. We don't need the juries.
Flavour of the week
Nice, that map works really well for presenting the differences! Would enjoy seeing the rest of the countries as well.
Thanks Levis. I will try to do the rest
Can’t wait for more Eurovision compilations 😀
Amazing, love maps and visual aids. The differences in voting are striking. Thanks for that!
This is so interesting! Thank you for the great job 👍
This is an amazing video. Thank you so much.
I wouldn't mind another video like this
This is great! Do more countries I would definitely watch it.
This was one of the best eurovisions ever
yes please do the rest of the detailled voting.., especially Switzerland and Germany are interesting😊
Very impressive work with all the nice charts. Well done sir🎉
Thanks Klas
Yes.. please do the rest .. this is very interesting
You are such a positive person! Good luck with your channel and in your life❤
Very good analysis....very fair and good for everyone to know :)
I am really happy Mengoni is so beloved in German-speaking countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland (where there is also the effect of having Italian-speaking Swiss). I hope he can do great success in Europe and in the rest of the world and help to let know Italian music on the world 😊
Would it be too much work to do all the countries?
I am from Portugal and would love to see where the support or lack of support came from.
I am still mystify by the 23rd position for Mimicat. No doubt the #2 slot was a killer for such a festive song that should have been more towards the end of somewhere in the middle.
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The jury's vote in the Norwegian case reinforces my opinion that if there's one thing that should be abolished, it's the jury show. I have heard reasons about how much time the count would take; sorry, but I don't think that's a valid excuse nowadays.
In the Grand Final the performances by Norway, France, and Finland, for example, were clearly better than those given in the evening for juries.
All the votes (juries and televote) should refer to the same performance, this would eliminate a factor of divergence between the jury votes and the televote.
IOH , It would be interesting to see which countries from the ROTW voted. I guess there must have been few votes from Latin America, which would explain partially the two points for Spain and the zero for Italy there.
Yes do the rest please !!!!
Please, do this for the rest of the songs 😅
Ok ;)
Let 3 - underrated.
About the rest of the world and Latin America votes, yeah we obviously understand Eaea and are familiar with that type of music (to some extent, the Italian song too). But they're not something it's popular or like that much here. Idk if we can see a breakdown by countries of the rest of world. But I'm pretty sure most latinos vote for Finland or Israel cuz they're energetic songs with lots of dance, that's what we like. Blanca's song may click with us for the language, but the style didn't.
Position in the running order played a very big part with 7 out of the top 10 performing between position 9 to 17.
Thanks for this video, I also love statistics and maps, so his is perfect ! As a Belgian getting 12 points from Georgia was also our greatest surprise, I actually managed to call the 12 from Greece and Australia. My biggest shock was that The Belgian jury AND televoters gave points to Poland, that's an absolute disgrace ! But at leaast we gave Austria a 12 which was so unlucky to go first in order.
I'm so happy my top2 is the actual top2, and they are still fighting for first place in charts, Both songs are amazing and deserves recognition. All what I was expecting to happen, it did. I expected Sweden to win the Jury and place top3 in Televote and Finland to win the Tele and place top5 in Jury, and all happened.
it might be interesting to look at the voting blocks. because not only Greece didn't give 12 to Cyprus but also the connection Moldova - Romania and between the former Yugoslavia changed this year...
True. You convinced me ;) Let me prepare 40 more maps 😂😂
@@eurovisionhistories have fun :-)
Could please make a Video on the Marcel Bezençon Award ?
As a Finn, I voted tactically. I didn't vote for Käärijä's two biggest opponents (Sweden and Isreal). Isreal was the only one who suffered from this. I liked isreal's song a lot and I would have given it votes otherwise.
There were a lot of good songs that I liked, so it was hard to decide who to vote for. I gave Germany 5 votes, Australia 3 votes, Norway 2 votes, Estonia 2 votes, UK 2 votes, and then 1 vote for many other countries.
I wonder why Sweden didn't give public votes for Isreal... Was it tactical voting or did they not like the song.
Alessandra's jury performance, while not as good as the grand final, was not that bad. I could see her losing some points (i.e. instead of getting 1-2 points from some countries she got 0 due to being perhaps 11th rated overall by jury), but it doesn't account for the slaughter she experienced. Probably a good reminder that the biggest jury steal in esc history was when Keiino won the popular vote but ended up 6th place. For some reason, international juries largely do not want to give points to Norway even if their viewers in those same countries do.. Some could perhaps be fixed by making sure the juries are larger (at least 10 per country), that they match the viewer profile better in age/sex and so on. Also, increase votes for both tele and jury by ranking every single entry from 0 to 25 for each country. That way, countries that fall just outside the top 10 everywhere don't lose ALL the points.
Yes, I have been thinking a lot about that. Douze points are Just not working. Juries should rate all the entries, from best to worst. It would also reduce the damage of voting for neighbours 😂.
"This is not about block or neighbouring voting..." In case of Sweden, no, juries from everywhere gave points to Sweden, but in vote for some other songs, we've witnessed "the neighbouring or cultural area's inclinations" (some, not all, it's still ok), both from the public and from the jury.
When we talk about juries, we know they are composed of persons appointed by the heads of their national broadcasters, and these managers are usually politically appointed, they know and meet each other at EBU's meetings and events. The world composed of national broadcasters is the world of powerful sharks by definition 😁.
It isn't "funny" when one country's vox populi differs so much from the vote of their broadcaster's "official" jury, as in Finland. It shows Finnish public strongly wanted their song to win and, eventually, people was more "strategic" about it than their jury. Finns (public) voted almost complety the opposite than their jury: Sweden got 12 points from J, 0 from P, Swiss got 10p from J, 1 from P, then they've slightly "alligned" with Czechia (a quality song with strong performance and message), 8p from J and 10 from P; 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7p from J to Portugal, UK, Belgium, Italy and France met 0p from P to all of them. They were in agreement only on Austria, rewarded by 2p by both, but 1p from J to Cyprus also matched 0 from P. All other P votes result in 0 from J: Norway (12), Australia (8), Slovenia (7), Estonia (6), Germany (5), Croatia (4) and Moldova (3). Such a huge difference is unusual, and it occurred in many other countries, too. It's difficult to say if this non-allignement of stars (paraphrasing a verse from Tattoo), between an "official" and public vote is a good or a bad sign, but to me it looks more disturbing than funny.
Funny how you talk about blockvoting but you completely ignore how the public was at least 10 times more geopolitical this year than in the past. Just admit that you prefer Finland over Sweden. Y’all are so biased and you lack logical thinking.
@@_o..o_1871 I've never missed a single EScontest (actually, I've never missed any largely broadcasted international event of any kind) in LAST 50 YEARS. I personally don't prefer Finnish song to the Swedish one, I simply argue "the right" of the audience to vote "tactically" (or "untactically", if you think this expression fits better) if they feel so. I didn't give any moral (good/bad, honest/dishonest), rational (smart/unwise), ideological value or a value connected with musical taste or preference, why do you think I was "biased" or lacked logical thinking?
Your statement "the public was at least 10 times more geopolitical this year than in the past" somehow connects with my "Such a huge difference (between the vote of jury and public) is unusual, and it occurred in many other countries, too." The difference between two statements is... mine is not judgemental at all, yet, you've somehow concluded I am "biased" and "illogical" 😄
Thank you for your in-depth analysis! I love playing with numbers too.
One thing that keeps on going though my mind is: "statistical probabilities". The ESC has become so professionalised, many millions watch it, many thousands contribute to the betting odds. The most successful coutries (like Sweden and Italy) have expensive, complex and big preselection shows, and a voting system similar to that in the actual final show. Each country is perfecting their song to the most modern standards. It's all big numbers.
And statistics says: The bigger the numbers the more predictable the results. I am a bit afraid that the ESC has become the victim of its own success. Bacause everybody watches it, it becomes predictable. We actually knew the winner shortly after Sweden had voted for Loreen.
I am curious which innovations we will see in the future. I fear that if nothing changes, the ESC will stay very predictable...
It is very childish for Sweden to keep telling its people that finnish commentator asked finns to not vote for Loreen. The commentator is one of the most humble commentators I know exists so I hate to hear Swedish people be this mad even after they won.
It is even more childish for Finland to claim that the contest was rigged bc of some ABBA anniversary when Loreen won fair and square.
Sono italiano ma la canzone che tra i paesi scandinavi mi è più piaciuta è la norvegese con alessandra(non per le origini italiane di aless.)
It’s childish of Finland not to vote for Sweden when the song is charting higher than all other songs except their own in Finland. Finland are sore losers. The game has rules and Loreen won by the rules. Finland’s charming eurotrash clown simply didn’t perform well enough to convince the professional juries. I’m sure if he performed live as well as on record, he would have won.
@@t-pnaminami3808 Please. The *only* reason as to why Cha Cha Cha was popular this year is bc the style of the song is right for it’s time. If Finland had sent this just 5 years ago I can guarantee you that nobody would have taken it seriously. It’s like Verka, something fun and memeable for the competition but not really winning material. Tattoo on the other hand will age well and to be quite blunt Sweden just does music better in general than any other country in the world. In fact a good chunk of ESC biggest hits have a Swedish team behind it and if you go only by merit and not on the represented country at hand they have technically already beaten Ireland in most ”wins” in the contest either with or without Loreens victory, so it’s not like they needed this as some sort of gratification.
@@Celestialstars00 Ok but why make false rumours about our commentator and spread them among people?
Really curious to see how BEJBA did in Jury vs Televote. Wonder if the controversy had influence over either.
I was rly shocked about the result for Austria! But I suppose early running order and also the "fun quirky song" vote being taken by Finland over them lost them televote points.
Austria doesn't want to host by accident next year thus the bare minimum staging, they're more concerned about letting the world know the message of their song.
Spain lost points due to close proximity to Loreen. You can say that to Czechia too performing after Finland.
Somehow it doesn`t seem very strange to me that the country that sent Cha, Cha, Cha to the competition wouldn`t vote very much for the Swedish entry which is very middle of the road.🤪
Exactly and we just wanted to win.
It’s “very middle of the road” yet Loreen is in the top 3 on Spotify in Finland and in many other Finnish charts…
It was just strategical so that Sweden doesn’t win. Also interesting how Sweden was second in the televote yet you call it “middle of the road”.
@@_o..o_1871 middle of the road is a genre of music and bares no relation to how popular the song is, or .on any chart. In general it`s the kind of pop music your grandparent would hum along to, just so you know.
What is wrong with not voting Sweden, when they were our biggest rival. We wanted to win so what is bad about that and Sweden still won so I can’t see why swedish people can’t just be happy.
The reason why swedes aint happy is because people are spreading lies about Loreen, bullying her, discredic her talents etc and you finns are also being very sore losers. You finns got too cocky and took an L.
Yea, think of an situation if it would have been up to those points us to win and it would have been our fault for giving sweden those few points, what would have been possible scenario in this case. We would have never forgive ourselves that, I bet we all would rather just look bad in others eyes for not voting them than doing this for ourselves. We never have any change like this, we knew sweden will win jury votes, and that televotes were our only change.
Noone apart from.fans will even notice I think
And other people really don't know about the Finland-Sweden rivalry, so it might be hard for them to put this into any kind of perspective. That inferiority complex towards a nation that ones ruled this land is still going very strong.
Plus, there were a lot of entries according to Finnish taste this year and it's not like Sweden was last in the Finnish vote. It was 13th.
I am confused as to where I can see who votes I ROTW vote? :( Have not had luck finding it
where did you get these results from? Very interesting…😊
What a weird coincidence that it was worth mentioning in the beginning that Sweden could get it's 7th victory tonight ... I don't understand why that's important but not that Finland could get it's 2nd win... Weird since Eurovision usually never talks about this
@keefy1106 ok. I get that. But I still found it a little bit weird.
@@ymi2.02 Yeah and the win for us finns would mean much more than for swedes
@@matetin I feel you. I voted 10 times for Cha Cha Cha. I never voted that much in my life XD.
Ikr. Also the Abba segment and Abba having its victory's 50th anniversary next year.
@@Sipu97 yeah, it felt like it was a story. Sweden has been waiting for that 7th win since Måns won, but they haven't brought up that chart in any other year with the words "a lot is riding on tonight's results".
I'm not saying it's rigged. It just didn't quite FEEL right.
New videos idea: Investment vs Result. I see a lot of country investing a lot of money and time to win and getting no results. For example, France had a postcard that was way different then the others, with horses and everything. The staging was not cheap, I bet. She had commercials done to promote the song. The end result was way off. Others like Estonia succeeded with a lot less results.
that s an interesting point. i would love to know that too
I liked france entry this year but im so glad for the bad result. They didn't trust the french population and removed the national selection saying that this song will do well. Well, im glad that it didn't.
@@EurovisionESC I liked the song but not the staging and the postcard. Everyone doing a simple postcard and she decides to create one in a horse and being all produced... come on
Some who claim a little bit of inside knowledge says Martin Østerdahl & co had a little word with the juries after the scandal last year. Also about neighbor/political voting. If true it might explain Greece's lower vote for Cyprus.
I love these maps they are very interesting, especially in some cases when for the same country the jury gave 12 and the televote zero or vice versa so jury in definitely not in sync with the country they are representing. . I think Marco got high votes in Germany because there are a lot of Italians working in Germany but yes they also like Italian songs. There were many surprises, Germany last again come on give them a break! Spain last in televote really surprising, I know it was a risk song but I thought it would have some love. Also Austria so low in the televote I don't get it. Such a shame Alessandra messed up her jury performance otherwise she would have been third.oh yes and we found out La Zarra's favorite song was heart of steel because she likes to stick her middle finger up in the air 😂😂😂
I don't think Alessandra would have been third even with better performance when you look at the analysis. Some of these countries simply didn't want to give points to Norway for some reason. Her voice was not that bad (not as good as Final, but quite good still, and when you saw jury points to some of the nations with worse singers in the final...)
@@tosvus yes maybe it was an excuse'she sang bad I won't vote for her'in any case the jury hears the songs more than once if she sang better other times maybe the jury could have given her a few more points. If you are consistently bad then yes a poor vote is acceptable.
I followed quite closely Melodifestivalen and everyone was talking about Loreen comming to win all of it. It didn't feel right towards other competitors. And the same continued in Liverpool. Plus the song was a bit booring, I don't wonder why us Finnish people didn't vote for her.
We belive in equality - let everyone have same start!
It's just ocurred to me - Why don't people roll their eyes at Olympics saying: Ah those Americans sending their basketball players to win, let's have equality. I agree that Sweeden really wanted to win, but they did a great job. (Before you go at me, I was cheering for.Loreen, but I would have been equally thrilled Kaarija won, and yes her song is a musical BigMac)
@@Jolezloba I wish this had been as fare as basketball game! Everybody having The same chance to vin before the Match😊
@@tarjasaari-jc2xu that wasn't my point, but that would be nice.
Australia! that was the most strange..to me. Not that is a bad song..but didn't see it coming at all. It messed up all the idea of the results i had on mind. Good for them.
We didn't see the international result of the televote outside eurovision countries broken down at all.
Do you perhaps know how many total points are distributed by the jury and how many by the audience ? For example 1000/1000 or similar!?
It depends how many countries compete. The juries and the televoters each have 58 points per country, so with 37 countries this year, that's 2146. Plus an extra 58 televote points for the rest of the world.
@@bigducky11 thx
I’m from Latin America and the performance of Spain was stunning and that flamenco with those vibes were cool but Latin America don’t listen to flamencos unless it’s some Rosalia lol buttt I’m soo happy Sweden won. Best one for me
At last my country gave Sweden 1 point in the Televote. And she was in my list also in 10 th place because I really don't like the song very much. And my country gave Finland 12 points in the Televote like me. 😁 Still sad that Finland don't won but it is what is is...Nice Analysis. Thanks!
Im sad that your taste is pretty bad. If you want to listen too some other shit music that you problably will like is to turn in to markoolio on youtube.
Would love to watch you talk about Germany. Lots Germans are disappointed by the results this year. Also saw a lot of angry comments saying they shouldn't fund this singing contest with tax payer money anymore because nobody likes them. Also *some* Germans are saying they don't feel represented by this song and saying who watches this "Scheiß" anymore. It seems like Germany's attitude towards Eurovision is turning more and more towards the likes of Piers Morgan and Britain pre-brexit. Is it possible Germany might pull out of Eurovision next year? Would love to hear your opinion on this.
Also, what do you think if Germany were to make a public competion for the national entry like Spain and italy, would it make people more interrested in the competition? And what if German just send a German language Schlager? Germany is the only big 5 country that has never sent a song in their native language in over 15 years!
We did have a national final, we don't like to sing in German because any sign of nationalism is not encouraged (LOTL didn't have a German flag in the parade) and we won't withdraw because 7.5 million people watched the final and it costs waaay less to participate than to produce a national show on that Saturday
@@eurovisionhistories that's really a shame because Eurovision is inherently a little bit nationalistic. The Finns are immensely proud of their Nation and their culture hence the enormous support this year.
However, I don't understand why singing in German is seen as nationalist. I've never heard of that. I always thought Germans don't want to send a Schlager just because they think they are cringey.
Germany could borrow a page from the Finnish book for UMK. They did big changes to the selection process some years ago, and the results show in the Finnish succes in ESC.
I love the German entry. Voted for it twice, Finland gave it 5 in public votes. I didn't know this band before, so I am happy they were there and now I follow them.
So cheesy to say but legit think everyone participating is a winner :') Ahaha no but really. Would do good for the community to be more about celebration and sharing than competition, even though everyone wants to do well. Hope no one pulls out.
@@eurovisionhistories That's interesting. As a fellow German I don't think singing in our native language would be nationalist, neither would be waving our flag. Being proud of one's own culture doesn't equal nationalism. That being said, from my experience many Germans feel like our language does sound too ugly and harsh for music. I personally disagree but after this year's result chances of a German entry with German lyrics have dropped massively.
I saw an interesting pattern with Czechia. It looked like most of their jury votes came from western Europe but most of their televotes came from eastern Europe. Am I completely off on that?
I will look at that in the next video. Thanks for noticing!
If Finland is counted in Eastern Europe 😀Finns gave their most points to Czechia: 8 from the jury 10 from the televoters. Other voting was split everywhere.
@@ninatuomi8731 Yes! I voted for it. It was my favourite from the start. And it did super well in the TV song check (viisukupla) with the audience too, so it makes complete sense that they got their highest points from Finland.
I voted for Spain from the Netherlands. That clearly did not work 😅
But I did vote for Finland too, and that definitely did work haha.
Andrew Lambrou is Australian but Cypriot heritage. He looks full cypriot because his ancestry is full cypriot. I think you'd only understand if you grew up in the same manner.
Loreenin voitto pedattiin juryissä, koska ensi vuonna tulee 50 vuotta kuluneeksi Abban viisuvoitosta Euroviisut on iso viihdeformaatti ja show, joka käsikirjoitetaan, teemoitetaan valmiiksi. Tavallaan näennäiskilpailu. Käärijä kääri törkeen hyvin kaikki näkyvyysedut. Yle säästi ensivuoden budjetista hyvät rahat. Me voitettiin! Kiitos Kärtsäri!💚💚💚
Ensi vuoden viisut on meidän mutta ne menee Ruotsin piikkiin
After last year I think the juries can't afford to vote in the old way. Before you know it some country was 'robbed'. I think the EBU took more control over that. But what I really love about you charts is the fact that it is becoming clear we are not automatically voting for our neighbours. Maybe part of the diaspora but it makes it less predictable and I love that element. I think Poland and Ukraine did have an advantage with the televote but in the end it was all between the Nordics. Sometimes I wish we had more data. Who got the gay vote, the black vote, the female vote and in what age-range. Not for predictability but almost as a scientific research. Is there an Arabic vote? Which group did vote for Finland and why? And what is the role of Social Media nowadays? Especially because it almost becomes political. The people want an outsider (Finland) but in the end it's a save choice. I voted for Spain but if you look at the televote charts. OMG.
Sweden hasn't won the televotes for a long time now because (among other factors) beeing regarded to successful and generic. Placing as number two was therefore outstanding.
When Måns Zelmerlöw won 2015 televotes had him as number 3 (JV as the winner).
I honestly thought the public and the jury would not waste their votes on Italy, an italian Sanremo balad, we have heard this before, after Maneskin that's what wins Sanremo, I get it, but are we really going to reward that every year? This year was so strong, especially the songs that finished on the right side of the score board, like Spain, Armenia, Serbia, France, Germany, Slovenia, I cannot remember them all, people really ignored these songs to vote for their favorite. My voting was very spread out and I voted for a lot of countries, but I didn't vote for Spain and France thinking they would get a lot of points, I also did not want France to win because they're hosting Junior Eurovision and the Olympics next year, and that would've been a huge financial strain in my opinion. I really thought the juries were going to vote for Spain, France and Armenia and ignore Italy, Estonia, Belgium and Lithuania, it still doesn't computer
to me why they thought Cyprus had a better song than Armenia, France and Spain.
I do think we need the juries, but maybe something needs to be tweaked. Better vibes at the climax of of the contest would be nice.
Something like not having separate jury and televote presentations.
Now the slog through the jury votes, here comes the the televote in one lump that can turn everything on it's head.
Great drama. Bad feeling over pitting jury vs televote.
Let's maybe try mixing it up.
A thing of:
Hello this Germany, here are our points, from the jury 12 points to Sweden, from our viewers 12 points to Italy.
So we get back to the watching the leaderboard change and when after all the countries had called in, you had the winner. Without the big dramatic cliffhanger of now we toss a bunch of big numbers that makes all the sitting through the call-ins pointless.
@@igeekling You have a point, it's one option.
This is an excellent presentation. Thank you! But I have to somewhat disagree on what you say about there not being "regional blocks" in voting for Sweden and Finland. The jury votes for Finland came overwhelmingly from the other nordic countries and Estonia.
Thank you. True but he still did well all over and its not like last year Finland got lots of points from these places
What I'm most curious about is the percentages of each continent in the "Rest of the World" votes. It's hard to guess from the results. Lots of votes for Israel, Armenia, Albania, Latvia and none for Italy, Portugal (in Final). I would have thought Latin America would go for both Spain and Portugal in the Final. The USA could have voted for Israel, Spain, France, but it's hard to imagine the USA going crazy for Albania. I can see Asia voting for Israel, Armenia but again, Albania??? Somebody suggested the Albania votes could be from Balkan (Montenegro, Macedonia, etc) and Turkish votes in ROTW, but if Turkish, I would have expected points for Azerbaijan in semi 1. If Balkan, I would have expected points for Italy in the final. Any possibility of getting the ESC to enlighten us on ROTW?
Albania is a Muslim majority country. There are 1.6B Muslims on earth. You do the math.
@drbennycohen Maybe. But so is Azerbaijan. ROTW gave zero points to Azerbaijan in semi 1. Why 8 pts to Albania and zero to Azerbaijan if it was about Muslim solidarity?
In semi 1, ROTW top 3 were Israel, Finland, Latvia. In semi 2, ROTW top 3 were Albania, Armenia, Austria. In final ROTW top 3 were Israel, Finland, Armenia (after that Sweden, Albania, Ukraine, Norway, Croatia, Spain, France). These are interesting choices.
@@byrnon A guess: Aze had a 60s vibe rock song in English. Alb had a nostalgic family themed song in the native language and a dramatic staging that someone rightfully called "Turkish drama" 🙃
@dvanaestcestica1135 That makes sense. It also occurs to me that the traditional sound and emotions/drama of the Albanian song might do well in Latin America. I'm not from there, so I'm probably wrong about that.
@@byrnon I'm not from LaAm either, but I do speak Spanish and have a tiny insight in come cultural aspects of the Hispanic world. I really doubt they would find Albanian entry that much to their taste to vote for it in any massive capacity. It's a sentimental Balkan ballad with an ethnic tune that is reminiscent of Middle East (passed on by the Ottomans historically), and LaAm prefers light music you can dance to. My guess for such a good World televote for Albania is: a huge diaspora in the US and Canada - and Albanians very much stick to each other and have strong communities even 2nd, 3rd generation and care very much for their origins; voters from Turkey and other countries with similar music taste influenced by the Middle Eastern related sound (the Middle East, North Africa, South East Asia - I hear that Eurovision is very popular in Indonesia, Malaysia etc.) Some of my guesses. I'd really like to see the detailed ranking for the World televote, but at this point I don't think we'll get it.
I wasnt surprised by the low Greek vote to Cyprus. They had no incentive to put give him top votes as they wouldnt get any back with Greece not making the final. And as you say Andrew isnt known in Greece so that will have knocked the score down further..
It's weird to go into 2024 knowing Portugal (and probably even more countries) won't participate... Luxembourg coming back is great but I'm wondering if there will even be enough countries for two semi finals
Where did u see that portugal won't participate?
I still believe that the expenses with hosting Eurovision play a crucial role in who is winning the competition.
I don’t see the point if this competition, as this criterion wipes the chances of some of the smaller countries winning the competition.
Not speaking about Portugal, but about sooo many other countries.
@@luckygo5406 Portugal has a track record of not participating when Sweden hosts... It's just a guess, I phrased it wrong...
I do know that Greece is thinking of it's place in the contest as people are tired of ΕΡΤ (the Greek government channel) making choices all on their own
@@florinaburdet well said, thank you
To be honest maybe 26 countries in the final are a bit to much, all the countries singing before Loreen except Blanka got very bad televotes but the songs were not the worst, do people watch the whole show or do they just watch the favorites and pick one of them?
Coming from an American Jew, I really wanna know if any Jewish people in the US came out in big numbers to support Noa. There are way more Jewish people in the US than in all of Israel and I wonder if she has a sizable fanbase in the US that I didn't know about (I did know of her before she was announced but never really listened to her music at the time).
Can we know somewhere how many votes is one point?
Different in each country
I find very interesting the fact that you say one doesn't need the geopolitics to win (which is true, if you're clearly better, most likely you'll win, or be in the top 3 at least) and then spend most of the video explaining the differences in results by diaspora or geopolitics facts.
I guess the geopolitics do count a lot if you're only good or average. For this reason, another marking system would probably make more sense. Why allow undue advantages with the 12 points (4 marks more if you're ranked 1st than the one ranked 3rd) when some of them are actually not meaningful, either coming from the juries or the televotes ?
For the Swedes who think that we Finns owe to vote for them, I'd just like to point out that if we count all the points through the years, Finland has received much less votes from Sweden than vice versa, and we aren't complaining about that.
As for me, I never would vote Sweden just because it's Sweden. I can vote for them, if they in my opinion have the best song, which might happen more often than in the case of some other countries, because the Swedish music is more familiar to a Finn. But this year I think Sweden just sent a rerun from the year 2012, and I wasn't touched by it. In my personal opinion the best songs beside Finland came this year from Portugal and Switzerland, so I voted for them. I also considered France beforehand, but something went wrong, so I spared my votes only to Portugal and Switzerland.
@Zazazozo still, I feel that the ethnic Swedes don't vote Finland that much, even those petty points Finland sometimes gets from Sweden, usually come from the Finnish diaspora in Sweden, The ethnic Swedes snub to Finns.
You're projecting your hatred. Out of all the countries in the world, we love Finland the most. It's sad there's a noticeable amount of people like you who have grand delusions like the ones you posted.
@Zazazozo If a song is popular, and gets streamed a lot, but doesn't get much votes, it might simply mean, that it is liked, but it isn't the first favourite of many.
For instance I voted for Portugal and Switzerland, because I thought they deserved so much that I was ready to pay for voting them, but there are others, which I liked and which I listen now and then, including France, Austria, Slovenia and UK, but didn't think would have been so deserving that I would have payed to vote them. (I was considering to vote France beforehand, but she failed to impress me enough in the life performance.)
As for Swedes loving Finland, are the expressions "Finjävel" and "En finne igen" familiar?
@Zazazozo well I feel Sweden is an extremely sore winner complaining, that it didn't get any televotes from one country. Maybe Finns just weren't willing to pay for a Swedish win, given that the jury vote seem to have been predestined, anyway. I really don't see that the Swedes would have any RIGHT to complain. Whereas it is interesting, that there were 14 countries, whose juries didn't give a single point to the public favourite. Really interesting, Enjoy your rigged victory, "dear" neighbours.
@Zazazozo you first. You won, and it doesn't seem to be enough. What a sore winners.
What about the lack of points to Israel from germany? GERMANY always gives Israel some guilt points...
Lain America probably didn't vote because almost nobody would pay €0,99 to vote.
True
People vote for so many reasons... Heart and neighbourhood is one of them, then you could vote what you feel with more quality or do it about what you feel you could hear at your car going to your job and cant stop singing it no matter if its a master piece or a good song at all. Its like a recipe you have lots of ingredients, plenty different people with different motivations for their votes and diferent tastes. Thats what make this funnier.
Loreen was awsome in general. I think she deserved to win, but i wouldnt be mad if Cha Cha Cha would had done. But honestly Loreen didnt nailed at final, and the song was too similar to Euphoria so i didnt expected so huge win.
As spaniard i have to comment that i never expected Spain to win, i knew the song was too special to be like so massively and i miself being spanish wouldnt hear this song non stop in my car... But i really didnt expected so bad outcome.
If i could had choose, Norwey would be the winner. Amazing song that i will sing for long, with good meaning, something new and with good energy.
I really hope all the disapointing im seeing from so many countries is a few days post contest mood and we get next year with same strength.
Thanks fot the video 😊
This was marketed as a two horse race by the finnish media, so it's only natural people don't give votes to the rival. Especially to Sweden, because there is this old love-hate relationship between the nations. On the surface Finland and Sweden are close friends and allies, but beneath the surface many finns think swedes are arrogant. Still, I don't think finns would ever give that song 12 point. I think it got 5 in the semis.
I mean Finland got NATO, maybe Sweden can have at least ESC 😅
Swedes in Stockholm are arrogant towards everyone (I'm from there so I know).
But in general we have a lot if finn's living all over the place since forever and many of us has finnish blood in our veins and feel genuin love towards our brother. When Russia attacked you in 1939 "Finska vinterkriget") the people of Sweden wanted to send armed forces but our goverment decided to stay neutral. A lot of swedish men went to fight for Finlands freedom anyway and in Sweden our population tried to help in other ways like sending food and giving temporary homes to many children refugees. So for common swedes I think there's a strong emotional connection.
I know swedes are not any more arrogant than anyone else, but there is this image of cocky swedes looking down at finns, that was once their eastern colony. Maybe if our goverment removed forced studying of swedish language in our schools, it could help.@@eurovego
Very intersting indeed
As for Isreal I hate to blame politcs but as a role Iralend and the scandinavia countries are the most critical about the Isreali occupation and i think you can see that in the votes. Armenia and Azerbaijan on the other hand needs Isreal weapon supprt and usally giving high score there
Not likely. No strong sentiments about this in the general public (ref to Sweden), and espec not when it comes to music. Israel did receive 5 points from the Swedish jury, probably because of great vocals. When it comes to the public vote the dance break might be the culprit. (Slo Mo did not fare well with the televoters in any of the nordic countries last year.) Moreover Toy did receive good points from both public and jury in 2018.
All 5 German jurors awarded Sweden first place. All 5 ! That only can happen corruptly. Not a single point to Finland, the public gave 12 to Finland.
Italy's 12 point jury-vote for Israel put Israel in third place. On the other hand, Israel gave no points to Italy. The minimum of votes from them would have changed their position.
I think that the public in the Nordic countries acknowledged Israel as the biggest threat to them and therefore voted strategically in favor of the Nordic countries (meaning: didn't give any points to Israel regardless of what they actually thought about the song and the performance).
Btw, since we have a large impartial "test group" such as the ROTW voting, it is impossible statistically that the public in the Nordic countries voted "objectively" in the case of Israel since a gap of 100% from the test group (0 vs 12) is not only unlikely but rather statistical impossibility. But there's really no way to avoid such kind of bias.
In contrast, Cudos to the very fair Israeli public that did the opposite, and gave the 12P to Finland, which deserved it objectively!
Regardless, Congrats to Loreen and Kaarija. 👏👏
Have no doubt that Noa will do GREAT! She is unstoppable - A force of nature! ✌✌✌
CHEERS! 👍
Thats why we ned the jury!!
@@Dsdsds346 Yes, I totally agree with you.👍
You need to analyze Croatia. Biggest discrepancy between jury and tele-vote
Thanks, your charts are interesting and helpful. Make more, for all countries, if you can. I' d like to see more videos, I have post-Eurovision depression!!
Will do! It also helps me get over PED ;)
If I was in Portugal and was deciding about 2024 I would vote big NO. ESC has become a very young audience. That’s fine! But they’ve forgotten all the older audience. Some of the voting results… just ridiculous.
Marco got 4th. I think that was for an older audience no?
I expected more jurypoints for Portugal for the composition and the vocals. The song had many different layers to it and she sang incredibly well. I thought that deserved a bit more praise. But with the televote I just think there were a handful of countries that took a big chunck of it and there wasn't that much left for the rest. Portugal did really well last year and the year before that with entries that weren't exactly young and current. And they won just 6 years ago with an incredibly let's say vintage sounding song 😊 I just think for MiMiCat it was maybe the timing..any other year without 2 such big favourites she would have done much better..as would a lot of other countries. Please don't leave us Portugal, you're one of my top 3 favourite countries in the contest ❤
Alessandra not getting votes from Italy and San Marino juries is REALLY strange
She got 10 from Italian televote
I bet Israel got ROTW vote because it feels Kpop-esque which is worldwide-friendly
So Finland televoters gave nothing to the countries that came 1st, 3rd or 4th....???
Yep
Croatia with the 7th place televote 🇭🇷🇭🇷 mama kupila traktora ŠČ
I think many pooled there none swede televoters to finland, as a anti-swedish force, that could have affected spain.
Yes, not the fact that people wanted Loreen to win could have pooled votes away, it has to be from people who wanted her NOT to win.
And people like a good underdog story, that's just how it is.
If we look at how many points finland has given the top 5 favourites each year.
According to the odds from before the show.
Starting with 2016 when this voting system was introduced
2016: 38 points to the top 5 favourites according to the odds
2017: 40
2018: 20
2019: 23
2021: 24
2022: 27
2023: 0
In 2021 Finland was also in the top 5 but still gave 24 points to the other 4.
Every year since 2016 they have given points to both the winner and the favourite.
All data is taken from eurovisionworld
Personally I don’t blame them they had a real shot at winning and they went for it.
It’s just sad to see so much toxicity afterwards.
As a huuuge Eurovision fan, I came with receipts. First of all, I hate when people come with their ignorant opinion and say "WE" as if they represent the whole country. Second, I hate when people state their opinion as a fact, when facts say something completely different.
As a nerd, here are some facts for you having hard time admitting that what Finnish people did was crap. Here are the results of Finnish televote in those years when Finland participated and only televote result is available.
2000 Finland gave Sweden 7 points
2002 7
2004 12
2005 6
2006 7
2007 8
2005 5
2014 10
2015 10
2016 10
2017 6
2018 zero
2019 7
2021 3
2022 8
It's not funny, it's not entertaining, it goes against ESC spirit.
Super happy for Sweden 🇸🇪
Italy: "The strategy is simple, let's all vote for Israel, they won't hurt anyone"
Final result:
3) Israel
4) Italy
We put the gun in the hands of our murderer
🤣🤣🤣
Lol I didn't understand Italy's 12 points to Israel and you're probably right: "Let's vote for an okay songs that won't get too much hype from others"
Meanwhile: Israel getting 12 points from the rest of the world 🤣
You are german where do yoh know english so good?
Finnish public voting tactically this ESC is the biggest argument in favor of having the juries I've seen so far. We don't want a song contest turn into some weird exercise in game theory, where each country has to think about not sending their best performer, in case they get left without votes, because they're seen as a threat. One of the jury's jobs is to stay impartial of these kind of details and take the songs at face value.
The biggest problem I see with the juries is that there's often big differences between what an expert thinks is a good song and what an average person does. As someone who works in a creative field I've seen this pattern often. The experts don't truly know what makes a good work, they know how to make or recognize certain qualities of a work that help them being good. This however causes a blindness towards other qualities the songs could have. They start to think: "When a song has this and this quality, then it's a good song. Therefore if a song doesn't have these qualities, it must be worse for it".
This format then ends up heavily favoring ballads, because they have a clear qualities related to success, that are both easy for a creator to follow and a judge to recognize.
I think I'd still like to see some exploration done towards changing the weights between the score given by the jury and the public. Something like 1 to 3 or 2 to 5.
I would say the presence of the juries is what inspires people to vote tactically. Everyone was talking about how Loreen would obviously win the jury vote, so I can imagine that may have inspired some people to not vote for her if they wanted to increase Käärijä's odds.
I have mixed feelings about juries personally, but I thought I'd put this possibility out there. I think the jury system needs to be reworked. Increase the number of jurors, perhaps decrese their impact, and also only consider the top ten in jury votes. Now I believe they look at the whole 26 and so if one juror puts someone first and another one last, they cancel each other out. They should also not be allowed to chat with each other while evaluating the acts. There's no way that's not influencing opinions.
@@xichotl They actually changed the weight of each juror's ranking to be exponential since 2018, in a way where the highest rank has a much bigger weight than the lowest one. So a juror ranking a song as 1 has more weight to it, than someone ranking them 26th.
@@obazu3727 Oh you're right! But I believe they should flat-out ignore the lower votes except for tiebreaker situations. No need to give them power to pull someone down.
Why? Because of the hatred towards Loreen, while that lady is always so sweet to everyone, is always herself and came back with a very strong song, just like with Euphoria, Tattoo was the only thing that gave me goosebumps, my hair stood on end.
I think the Finland fanboys are very many of the tiktok generation, no respect.
Finland gived 0 points to Loreen lol.
Thank you. I watched Eurovision for the first time on television from home in Toronto, Canada. I was hugely disappointed with the whole thing. It's such a snooze fest. If it were not for the stage lights, I would've fallen asleep. All of the songs sucked. Perhaps the best one - if there had to be a choice made - would be Évidemment by France. I ALWAYS followed Eurovision song entries on CZcams videos and individually could appreciate them, but in the Eurovision collectively for some reason was a complete yawn 🥱 😴 Eurovision is a complete disappointment.
😂 You got the hang of it. There are similarities to watching formula 1. Except this is late night in Europe, and many people fell asleep in the middle of it.
I feel sorry for anyone who can't appreciate how fabulous it is. But to each their own of course.
What I don't quite get is what you guys are doing on a Eurovision YT channel if the show itself was too boring for you 🤗
The Finnish commentator was saying not to vote for Sweden on live TV...
Oh, I didn't notice.
No, he was not. He was reading a comment about it and jokingly referring to our recent national political elections where there was a lot of talk about tactical voting.
Found it, timestamp in Yle Areena is 2:20:04
@@shaairah I agree, I doubt that line from Mikko made any difference. At least not any more than the praises he gave about Loreen after her performance.
@@LevisL95 Mikko was just talking about some comment in YLE chat.