My Problems With 3D World In Super Mario Maker 2
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- I’ve talked about ninjis and superworlds, so now I think it’s about time I complain about the most undercooked feature in super mario maker 2, the super mario 3D world game style. While I was super happy when 3D world was announced to be coming to Mario Maker 2, the style is missing a ton of features from the other styles. There are significantly less bosses and items in general which makes coming up with good level ideas very difficult for 3D world. Today I wanted to talk about how I would fix the 3D world style for an upcoming mario maker 3. So join me as I discuss my problems with the 3D world game style, in super mario maker 2!
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One issue you forgot about is the exclusion of one-way gates. They are so helpful for stopping levels breaking and preventing cheese. And that’s why the exclusion of them is very infuriating.
True
you can glitch those in as well lol
In the original 3d world, some clear pipes had a blocker thing on it which wouldn’t let you back. That would of been helpful in MM2
@@ShadowStray_ ah those are so good and also wish we can have one way pipes without crazy setups like MM1
He also forgot about Munchers, the munchers are so useful, so many times.
Funny how two of the missing features are actually in 3D World itself. (Enemy stacking and tracks)
It's also the only one of the 5 games to have enemy stacking
@@Theo-dg2be NO WAY LOL. I didn't think about that!
@@Theo-dg2be U does have it tho
And Bowser and doors on semisolids technically
Enemy stacking premiered in 3D land too.
My biggest problem with the 3D World style is that people rarely make good levels in that theme and all the popular ones are only Refreshing Levels.
Facts man, I love playing challenging 3D world levels but it’s all those lame ass refreshing levels just ground pounding the whole way through
I love using the 3D world style I've actually made a story mode myself of traditional levels and they are really fun to play but I don't have nobody to try them out 😢
I've made 3D world levels and even then they're pretty hard to make knowing the limitations. That hasn't stopped me from making Cool boss fights, if anyone's interested I'll give you some level id's
@@josuealfaro2988give a code and ill play em
I feel like 3D world in MM2 just feels like something is missing every time I see it.I can’t put my finger on what tho,maybe it’s the lack of old enemy’s ,or something like that,also I wish they added more bosses to the game from 3D world,hisstocrat,and more would be really cool,and they can be used for such great concepts
Maybe the missing thing is that it isn't in 3D 😔
@@rougeneiiige let’s hope Mario maker 3 has 3D world building
Honestly, I'm not really sure about Hisstocrat as his fight relies very heavily around the 3D plane. However, Motley Bossblob and that giant rock dude would fit in perfectly in a sidescroller scenario
What's missing is bowser in a swanky car
And all the other bosses
My theory is they intended for the second extra style to be SMB2, but for one reason or another they had to scrap it and just made the SMB2 mushroom an SMB1 powerup.
I personally always thought an SMB2 style would've been a bit too jarring so I think making it a powerup was a good choice for that reason
With how poorly they did with 3d words that was probably wise
@@squiddog8933 Hey, it'd be better than a Zelda style. I actually predicted a Zelda game style for update 2.0, and was genuinely surprised when they added the Master Sword powerup. But yeah, an SMB2 style would've seemed out of place even with it being a Mario game.
@@callumfinlayson-palmer8393 Fair point. Still would've been nice to have Shy Guys or something like that, but they behave too similarly to goombas in SMB2 so while it was disappointing it wasn't surprising.
@@mickkelley3776 I remember a lot of people thinking there would be a Super Zelda Maker or something for the 30th anniversary of Zelda which could've been pretty cool
Get this: The night themes for 3d world are properly coded. I used the black hole glitch on a level and got them to work before that glitch was patched, swapped a sun into a moon, and it actually used the mechanics of the night theme.
Funny thing is stacked goombas should be a simple thing to program into the 3d world style considering your able to stack in the main 4 styles.
And it doesn’t make any sense that it wasn’t here because it is literally the only game out of the five in MM2 to actually HAVE enemy stacking its base game.
As mentioned in the video, a very annoying thing in Super Mario 3D world is that tracks aren't available, which is basically one of the fundamental part of complex contraptions, an even more annoying thing also mentioned in the video is that it works PROPERLY even using a glitch that can put items from the other 4 style in 3D world. Usually, the excuse that Nintendo use is that said non implemented items aren't in the base game, and so I bring up the most frustrating thing is that TRACKS ARE IN THE MAIN GAME OF 3D WORLD! There is literally no reason not to implement it, it works properly and it's in the original game, I really don't know why.
At this point, I think that the reason Nintendo separated the 3D world style from the others is because they couldn't be bothered to make new graphic designs with some of the items like tracks for the 3D world style . Using the glitch just serves as proof that the functions are there for stuff such as tracks, stacking and many other things from the 4 main styles work perfectly despite so It couldn't have been anything technical. I guess making new graphics, particularly for already existing Items in the main 4 styles for the 3D world style, was just too much of an effort for them to actually have to attempt.
Actually, I'm pretty sure alot of the smuggled course parts are functional because their default behavior from the main game styles is just called upon when used in 3d world which makes things even worse cause that means most of the programming was handed to them on a silver platter anyways before they even developed the 3d world style. Tracks in particular might be missing because they couldn't think of a way to make items on them look good when going through blocks which is stupid on its own, but makes even less sense since winged mushrooms travel though blocks by moving in the foreground, just like items on tracks in the other styles.
Really they just had the wrong priorities as with the semisolids and other parts, they might have been too focused on making their visuals look good in the 2.5D perspective which after enough time makes them give up on an item altogether, whereas other features like night mode they just didn't want to bother making visuals for, and stacks I literally have no idea as they are already animated bc they are literally enemies on top of each other, and the programming was already there.
In general the developers had the wrong priorities when making SMM2 as a whole, for example, they made several buttons basically unused to accommodate 2 player building and they for some reason didn't want it to have different controls from one player building plus very few people actually use that mode anyways. They didn't want various things to have context specific exceptions as a way to keep things simple, but in the end they just made things more complicated instead.
3D World can be a fun bonus mode but honestly the game would have been better if the resources for it were allocated to improving other styles/game overall.
They really should have made 3D World compatible with the other four style. Especially when that was the point of Super Mario Maker 1.
Your right I hate that there’s 3 bosses. I made a level based on bowsers fury and I could really use some more boss fights. I could vibe with a prince bully or a fury bowser or even just normal bowsers.
You’re*
But yeah, your right 😉
Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury, the game Fury Bowser debuted in, released a year after Super Mario Maker 2's final major update, and Prince Bully wouldn't really work if you took his battles from Super Mario 3D World into account. The only way he can take damage is by going through a Clear Pipe which wouldn't be as easy to create an arena for in 2D. If they made him be defeated by being knocked off of a platform, he would pretty much be a metal version of Chief Chilly from Super Mario 64 DS that can breathe fire.
I could say Boss Brolder would work, but his battle would be a bit too boring in 2D.
@@ChordettesFan325 *you're
I hate how Porcupuffer is exclusive to it despite originating in older Mario games,
Same
You said it Skeletor!
Yes
Thank you so much for addressing the semi-solids, so little people talk about them when discussing 3D World when honestly little has pissed me off more in the 3D World style then the semi-solids as they’re just unbelievably clunky and awkward to work with. Not to mention the fact that there’s only one variant per style + the absence of vines makes the amount of decorative options in the style super limited. I guess there’s trees but those are so big and so awkward to use as well. Thankfully the style at least looks really nice and the shading and animations for everything are pleasing, but god is the amount of stuff you can do visually to enhance 3D World levels limited.
A few smaller things you missed are:
-Fire Bars, they are in 3D world, but not the 3D world style.
-No ground decorations like flowers, bushes, statues, etc.
-Starting ground and goal ground cannot be 1 tile tall.
-The ugly base that Bill Blasters have when they are taller than 2 tiles.
I don't think fire bars are in 3D World? I know they're in 3D Land.
@@jonathanharoun5247 they are literally everywhere
Hey Odyssey, you should rank all the enemies in MM2.
You’ve ranked all the bosses, so you could possibly rank the enemies.
The only other person who did that is ceave
@@eviltwinarat YUCK
For me it’s just so underwhelming. There aren’t nearly as many options in it as the other gamemodes in addition to the fact that it’s not compatible with them. Also the bosses SUCK in 3D World and there is such a small selection of them.
10:18 had Mii rolling and crying
Things 3d world needs
Night
Tracks
Shells
Fire bars
More semisolids (Better ones,Bridges,Mushroom Platforms)
Omg, yes!
Vines!
The fact that most items work from 3D World items in the other styles, and the other styles item in the 3D World style by glitching them in is absolutely frustrating.
And what about how the Fire Bro and Porcupuffer, enemies that debuted in Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World respectively and both reappeared in New Super Mario Bros. U aren't available outside of the Super Mario 3D World style? They would work even better in those styles considering that they originated there. For the Fire Bro, they would only need to recolour a Hammer Bro red and make it shoot fire balls (which already have existing sprites in those styles). For the Porcupuffer, they could just use the Boss Bass as a base for the Super Mario Bros. 3 style leaving most of the original work to the Super Mario Bros. style's version .
@@harrybest2041 to me, I feel like any item could have work in all styles. It doesn't make sense if either item didn't exist in that style, they STILL exist in the Mario universe in general. This might be asking too much but honestly, the game could have been alot better if they did spend the time making 3D models and sprites for both 3D World, and the other 4 styles.
they literally work perfectly fine because every style is built off of the same NSMB base, they just had to make art assets for them. but they needlessly cut off SMB3DW because they didn't want to make a handful of models.
Spikes. Single spikes that don’t change. Aren’t affected by on/off blocks or a timer. WHY DO THEY NOT HAVE SINGLE SPIKES.
Have them with spikes out and have no on/off switches in the level.
@@QuantumScratcher But what if I want to have on/off switches in the level? On/off switches are a huge part of the game and one of my favorite tools in level-making, and it seems like an arbitrary restriction to make it so that if you want spikes, you need to not have on/off blocks.
@@jerrylumianski7837 plus spike blocks are still 2 by 2 in size, and I think they might count towards the entity limit though I'm not sure about the, also I'm pretty sure spike traps themselves were invented for the first Mario Maker as the main games typically use things like munchers, fuzzies ect for areas of the stage that hurt you, and more often then that they just have a part of the floor be lave or a bottomless pit or even just have a wall and a pipe leading to the next area.
The lack of noteblocks also means no 3D World music levels. If you search for easy music levels in the 3D World style its all "refresh" levels
I know it would have been hard to code but it would have been cool if in this mode you actualy created 3D Levels
You'll have to wait until Super Mario 3D Maker.
came here to say this
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One thing I like is to use the semi-solids is to make part of any level in an outdoor setting look like it’s indoors.
I definitely agree, the lack of semi solids make it very hard to add aesthetics to a level and just make them feel empty. And yes, the no tracks make no sense at all.
Agreed. It always feels weird making closed off rooms in the exterior themes without semi-solids but I can't just make all of my 3DW levels be castles & caves.
*TL;DR* Mario Maker 2 should've had more updates
One problem I have with Mario Maker 2 as a whole is that they stopped the updates too early. There was still SO much potential for MM2, but they end the game after like only 2 major updates or something.
And for what? To make Mario Maker 3? Why not just add all of that stuff in Mario Maker 2? If 3 was going to stand out as it's own game, it will have to do something RADICALLY different from what is already possible in Mario Maker 2, otherwise, it might as well just be DLC for 2. Adding some new elements and pieces is not going to make MM3 hold itself up.
Oh yeah, and the Porcupuffer and Fire Bro being exclusive to 3D World is really stupid too
It really is tragic. But really mario maker 3 would be a blessing. I'm mostly concerned they just won't make a 3rd game judging from how fast they dropped support here.
I always love seeing your transtions. Every single different one you do for this video, and heck all of your videos (at least that you have done transtions for) are amazing. It really shows all the time and effort you put in to creating these videos for everyone to watch. Can't wait to for the Super Mario Odyessy power moon rank video. With 880 moons (counting Toadette [820 not counting] if included in the video) it will surely have a ton of transtions. I know in your videos it's not all about the editing, it's about the content (in this case sharing your opinions).
If you see this Odyessy Central, thanks for making amazing content that kept me watching since 2019! Let's all hope for a good year for gaming and the world.
The transitions scare me 😂
I completely agree with all of your points. I really think Covid screwed us over with this. When they were doing updates was pretty much when we (and Japan) had lockdowns. I think they just turned out what they could - reducing the SMB2 and Super Mario Land styles to just power-ups in SMB1 mode and not adding to 3D world.
If I had to guess, they probably didn't bother adding to 3D world BECAUSE they were planning those other two styles. Had they known that those other two styles were going to get scrapped anyway, they probably would've made more of an effort to just make the 3D World compatible with the other styles.
My BIGGEST complaint easily is the lack of track items. I do quite a bit of technical stuff with some of my levels. It’s really hard to actually do technical stuff in 3D world.
Something that immediately perplexed me in 3D world was no enemy stacking. Like guava towers were a main staple of that game.
In my opinion, the only 2 themes the chain linked fence semi solids fit in are the underground and castle themes.
Odyssey: "You'll have to start all over again"
Undo-Dog: *Am I a joke to you?*
One minor thing that irks me about 3DW is that if a bomb is inside of a dotted-line block and then you hit a switch to make that block solid, the bomb just dies without exploding. It makes it harder and slower to have contraptions that use bomb explosions because you have to drop a bullet bull launcher on them instead. And there’s no equivalent to a muncher either which means that bullet bull launchers have to be a taller substitute (and they use up a lot of vertical space!)
I think the biggest problem with 3D world is that a majority of its parts are so niche and can't be utilized beyond their intended purpose. For instance, the Koopa car is painstakingly useless outside of racing levels ( -and even then the controls are too janky and awkward to justify its use- ). We can't swap out the Koopa for a different enemy, boss or item AND we don't even have the option to just put down an empty car, which is frankly insane.
Most (if not all) 3D World exclusions have no justifiable reasoning behind them which honestly makes me feel that Nintendo wanted 3D World to be different for the sake of being different.
Fun Mario Maker trick if you place a semi-solid in the areas where meowser is whenever he jumps into the lava or into the bottomless pit he is rigged to climb back up toward you rather than cheap-shotting you from the background
There is a super amazing feature in 3d world. You can kill the player for having a key. This can be used to make pacifist and save the enemies levels, and it could make for some precise platforming too. Also, there are don’t jump detectors.
8:32 the most annoying thing about that is that Nintendo already made a texture for the tracks in the main 3D World game in the level Switchboard Falls
Happy New Year to you.
My biggest problems with 3D World are the lack of semisolid options and the fact that clear pipes can't be connected to each other so we could make a section similar to the one in the first level of World 6 of 3D World.
I was thinking... If Nintendo added 3D Land except of 3D World, we could have real semi-solid platforms and rails, because rails exist in 3D Land.
Rails exist in 3d world.
@@aronspiker72 Welp yep but we see more rails in 3D Land.
Maybe in addition to the tracks they could add in the arrow platforms that go in whichever direction you stand. Anybody with me?
Are you talking about the switchboard things from the level "Switchboard Falls"?
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Happy 2022, and a great video to start off the year!
Fun fact: enemy stacking originated in 3D world, yet we're not allowed to stack enemies in the 3D world style
i loved using the hats and thwomps in the 3d world style. there was a lot of weird limits and stuff i didnt care for but flat thwomps, the propeller and bullet caps are some of my favourite items added to the game
The fact that it should be easy to program a prince bully since nintendo can just edit the bully texture and place the program of fire piranha plants into it
I think that 3D World Style isn't bad
Pom Pom and Boom Boom are like Koopalings but Meowser is the Combo of Bowser Jr and all Koopalings *Combined*
Imagine if the 3d world levels had invented everything missing in this style, and invented a bunch of the new items backported into the older styles.
9:01 No more are the intimidating Goomba Towers.
Me : *You're Goddamn Right*
Blue shell, hammer suit, ice flower, nintendo surely is saving up some cool stuff for a future entry for sure
The worst part of 3D world is how Fire Bro and Porcupuffer are exclusive to it
1:14 I'm 96% certain Super Mario Bros 2. was going to be a nee Extra Game Style, but when sales didn't match their expectations they prefered just making it a power-up
happy new year odyssey sorry about you not hitting 100k but at least you're at 84k
OBJECTION. Twisters can literally hold Meowser without him jumping of screen!
Im SO glad they added on-off blocks into 3d world after a short while. If that didnt happen that would 100% be the worst thing about the 3d world style
10:15 lol what the heck is that level
5:41 RIP Odyssey's Joy-cons :(
4:11 is unironically the best line in this video
"QUICK!, we need a big new thing for this game!"
"UHHHH, 3D WORLD"
"ALRIGHT GET PROGRAMMING"
"SIR, WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH TIME!"
"WE GOTTA GET SALES NOT TIME!"
I love that the final boss music from Super Mario Galaxy was played to express your anger towards Nintendo for them not adding the tracks while some players were able to glitch it into the game style.
While not related to this video, I sincerely hope you one day get to make the ranking all moons in Mario Odyssey as that is exactly the kind of video I'd watch :P
Happy new year Odyssey Central!
The jump at 4:32 is extremely cool.
It's so Nintendo of Nintendo to make climbable walls exclusive to 3DW even though they originated from SMW & are most famous for being in SMW. It's also classically Nintendo that they made porcupuffers exclusive to 3DW & didn't at least put boss bass in SMB3.
3D World: *has goomba towers*
Mario Maker 2’s 3D World Game Style: *has no enemy stacking*
Somebody: The track block is a good replacement for the tracks in 3D World.
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My Problems With 3D World In Super Mario Maker 2:
refresher levels
Thank you so much for watching
I remember I saw a photo that showed 3d world enemies if they were in the 3 older Styles (minus Mario u) and that was made by one fan, imagine what a whole team Could do
Between Mario Maker 2 and Mario Multiverse(a Mario Maker fan game which is in a closed beta) i prefer Multiverse there are around 15+ different styles and a lot of new things compared to MM2 in terms of themes, gimmicks, power ups etc...
8:42 I like that transition there lol
When i first heard that this style was in the game, i thought you would be able to make 3d levels. (i didn't watch trailers or have the game)
my biggest problem is that theres no small spike block. all we got was the unnecessarily large and ugly spike blocks that are much worse.
5:47 mmmm joy con drift. Gotta love it
Another thing relating to your Smash nitpick video: As of update 8.1.0, which added the "Small Battlefield" stage, the three Battlefields and Final Destination let you play EVERY song in the game.
No matter what I still love SMM2 but yeah they should've implemented it better
IT'S 2022!!!!!!!!
3:41 I agree, I think hisstocrat, bross brolder and King Ka-thunk (ka-thunk would be a Background boss) should also be in the boss selection too.
Honestly I feel like SMM2 should've been released in 2020 instead of 2019. Not only would it have been given more time to have all the features of the updates and more in the release version and more time could've been allocated to fix the currently existing problems with the game, but it would've very nicely coincided with both Mario's 35th Anniversary and Super Mario 3D World's announcement for Switch. We could've even gotten an update with Bowser's Fury elements, that would've been so cool.
instead of erasing the intire level in 3dw they should have only replaced the stuff that’s not in the style and maybe swap stuff with other stuff for example since spike top and ant trooper act similar have spike tops turn into ant troopers
When i made a super world, i wanted to do a boss rush At the end of the super world, but only a Small part of them could fit, If i used 3d world most bosses and enemies arent present to make it all work.
I am making a game in 3D world and the game looks great. I really love 3D world because it doesn't late make horrible levels. It makes your level look more traditional.
I would have loved a yoshis Island and mario galaxy in extra game styles
Just want to point out that Odyssey promised at 0:45 to make a video ranking every odyssey moon if he reaches 100K subs by the end of the year. It's 2022 now, so he has an entire year to reach his goal and make that ranking!
One thing that bothers me about this mode is that this Mario 3D world has 2D gameplay, they could have added 3D to the gameplay too, but in a way that isn't too difficult to make the stages, like for example Little Big Planet's 3D, which is composed of layers
5 layers to make a 3d hallway with…
That would be nice.
People who find meowser to be a hard boss whatever you do do not give him wings. It will add more moves to his move set.
You can stack enemies in the original 3-D world
3D world could have been so good if Nintendo just went Track/proper semisolids, etc. -> Control + C -> Control + V -> “Lemme quickly fix this bug and make it in 3D world-esque sprite” and DONE. Sure, there’s probably more than that but they wouldn’t even break a sweat doing what they need to, 3D World feels kinda rushed and although I’m glad it offers a completely new style than the other themes, this isn’t a trading center, there is no “I take tracks, you take Meowser.”
Smh, Nintendo. Smh my head.
I would say that 3D world style is great and things that it already have inside make it unique... and refreshing levels are mostly fault of creators...
5:41 I'm pretty sure your control sticks were drifting. That made me have to give up Super Mario Maker 2 temporarily when it happened to my Pro Controller.
I struggle so much with 3D world to come up with something creative, this is why I prefer Mario U is my favourite game style
one thing that is good about 3D world for contraptions is you don't need a gizmo for global ground, cloud blocks work just fine
Make an in-depth video about springs, POW-blocks, P switches or ON/OFF blocks.
Don't care which of the 3, i was curious about all of these :)
Happy New Years Odyssey! 🥳
i wanted tracks in 3d world so much i had a dream it was added in their and when i woke up i was so sad
Monty Mole did appear in 3D Land though. They could've added that one in the 3D World style.
Did you get Rocky Wrenches confused with Monty Moles?
Bro the sound effects in this are absolutely killing me 😆
"You'll have to start all over again"
Undo dog: Am I a joke to you?
My problem is simply that it just looks like New Super Mario Bros wii reskinned. Being 3d world, i would have wanted actual 3d levels. Imagine being able to remake Mario 64 levels within Mario Maker. That's what i want, and would make it more of a worthy sequel to the first Mario maker.
I remember having a dream where there was a new actually good update with many new bosses and Super Mario Bros 2 game style which I have always wanted
While am working on make a super world and making levels for Super Mario 2D World using this style, after recently getting and playing Super Mario 3D World+ Bowser's Fury, the style really lacks alot of things. There isn't nearly enough background styles. We could've had more sky level themes but instead we just get circus. And making sky levels with this circus theme feels out of place. A problem with Mario Maker is there just isn't enough level backgrounds in the game compared to the games they come from. Super Mario 3D World has so many environments that Mario Maker 2 only gives a fraction of it. Atleast with the other styles we can have sky levels in the clouds but in 3D World its a Circus theme making it out of place. Also the lack of semi solid varients makes it inconsistent and hard to work with. While 3D World is a nice game style for being an "Extra Game Style" it should've had more content, not less content than the other 4. The lack of stuff like rails and One way doors speak for them selfs as we wonder why couldn't they be in 3D World. We can't stack enemies in 3D World when in the original game stacked enemies are in the game. There is so many differences between 3D World and all the other styles which makes it not as used as the others due to the limitations and Nintendo refusing to change anything after 3 updates. Also Mario Maker should be a game getting content in the regular with weekly or monthly updates adding styles adding new items , not a game that needs a sequel just to add a few things here and there and then abandon it for other projects. Yes I know thats how nintendo runs most of their games, they release, they update it for bug fixes and then leave it be since they have to work on other projects, but the concept of Mario Maker should be a game getting updated on the regular, not just having 3 updates and then getting abandoned.
semi-solid is my favorite item, it servs for any level
Yes no moon ranking video it would take so long to make and you would inevitably have to sum up every thing you have to say about every moon to keep a steady pace. Not to mention what the video length would have been
3D world is my favorite style but it is missing a lot of the utility from the original 4
5:43 Oh no not joy con drift
I have 2 problems 1 The lack of elements and bosses in the original game 2 There are no nighttime themes in the game These massively affect gameplay and I hope they add these things