The Mysteries of Super Mario Maker 2
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- čas přidán 10. 04. 2022
- Super Mario Maker 2 has a lot of features that help creators build the levels they want to make, however the game has always felt like it was missing something. Today I’m here to talk about 5 mysteries in super mario maker 2 relating to possibly cut content. This includes the theorized 2nd extra game style, the 3d-world exclusive porcupuffer and fire-bros, and the removals of the weird and mystery mushrooms. I will cover my theories as to why this content was seemingly cut from smm2 and how other features like the smb2 mushroom, master sword, multiplayer and super worlds may be to blame. So join me as I cover 5 cut content mysteries in super mario maker 2!
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As a 3 year old, I really appreciate that you took the time to explain what does plural mean, I was very confused at first, but thanks to that explanation I could understand what you were talking about and enjoy the video, thanks for take in consideration your 3 year old audience :)
As another 3 year old, I can confirm that what they're saying is true.
u all say ur 3 year olds but know how to write? 🤨
I'm 3 years old too
@@foxbastergames1383 Bro
@@foxbastergames1383 woosh
"The wiggler has never been underwater in a mainline mario game" Super Mario 64:
Are you sure?
I'm unsure what you mean by this statement, Wiggler wasn't underwater in Mario 64, you only flooded the cave he was in temporarily by soaking the whole place, which is why he attacks you. He wasn't really submerged in any water.
(1:30) Note that the game is Japanese original, and the Japanese text does not have plural (since Japanese don't have plural). So it's the English translator who decided to make it plural.
Yeah but why would he do that
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 It is possible that the translator did it out of habit. When you translate categories, using plurals make sense since a category has more than one entry _usually._ Then the reason why "game style" is in singular is probably because it refers to the game style of the level, of which there can only be one.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 Plus it just sounds better than 'extra game style'
dangit
i mean idk what the original japanese said but it could very well say エクステラゲイムスタイルたち which i don't think is grammatically incorrect? correct me if I'm wrong tho idk
I think that when Nintendo worked on "what do we put in 3D World", they simply never considered "should we bring these back to the other styles?"
In fact, despite 3D World having such a strong presence in the game's marketing and new-ness of it, maybe they only started working on 3D World after they already finished working on the other styles, and didn't go back to them.
I mean, through glitches, some stuff can be forced into play, and have some interesting things about such!
Like SMW's forest, day and night, if you glitch in a clear pipe, some unused textures will be found.
The real reason the weird mushroom didn’t show up is because lanky Toadette is something our eyes couldn’t bear to look at
It was profesisied that lanky toadette would create a mass extinction and destroy humanity.
@@timothybasily6134Prophesied*
Good thing peach isn’t playable
SMM-WE has a good version
The art woulda went crazy 💀
Regarding MM2 underperforming, Mario Maker 1 was absolutely huge on the Wii U, seeing people buy a Wii U just to play that one game. Mario Maker 2 didn’t garner nearly as much hype though (probably due to a combination of the concept being old news and the Switch having plenty of other system sellers), but Nintendo were probably expecting it to sell like the first one.
no 1, dolt
What ruined smm2 for me is the nintendo online
@@ted9030 yes
@@ted9030 And the lack of amiibo functionality
I even had the Wii U Mario Maker bundle that came with the 35th anniversary retro Mario Amiibo
Since Super Mario Maker 2 came out in June 2019, the DLC updates were being developed throughout the pandemic. This probably would have affected some of the decision making, including removing the rumoured extra game style.
Plandemic*
@@wolfetteplays8894 You're right. Biden decided to release a bioweapon... And then gave it to himself on purpose?
@@wolfetteplays8894 ?
@@wolfetteplays8894 no it's pandemic
@@wolfetteplays8894 pandemic
i sort of understand why they did this, but i'm still not so sure why they removed overlapping pipes. ESPECIALLY since they've been in the franchise since smb1. again, BIG emphasis on sort of.
tbh i missed the overlapping pipes and i thought t was a glitch because since i never owned a wii u i had my 2ds and even mario maker for ds even had overlapping pipes and i honestly think 2ds's are severely underrated
“Why they did this” what is “this”?
@@StaceyStAmant "this" is overlapping pipes
I assume it was removed to make pipe warps more predictable and easier to read, so for example if a pipe is facing to the right, you know that if you can't enter it, then the pipe has no other hiden entrances to it
@@T1MAGEDDON yeah, that was what i thought
It really would’ve been cool to get more game styles
My theory for a lot of this stuff… they planned to release it as paid DLC, but then the game under performed and the bosses decided to just cut it off so they released what they had done already as a free update and scrapped the rest.
nah, i think there is never a smb2 in there in the first place or scrapped early on in development. maybe they shifted focus on 3d world. the smb2 mushroom is maybe a relic of the game style.
@@tony88lee I don’t know for sure they were working on a SMB2 style, it just feels like a lot of what was added in the final update was kind of random. Like they were working on something bigger and then just threw what they had into the update after development was halted. .
Yeah, looking at the smb2 mushroom, you could say there were plans for an smb2 style
Brug, the game sold 7 million copies. Sure, it's not a Mario Kart 8, but it's a lot.
@@bowandarrow688 i don’t know why the bosses decided to cut the game, but for whatever reason they did and I think at that point they just threw everything they were working on for DLC into an update which is why the final update had so many random things in it.
If they make a Mario Maker 3, i hope they give us the ability to port over our levels from 2. I worked so hard on my super world.
nah i don't think they will
(yes i'm replying to 1 year old comment)
@@kraskaskahi
I like the master sword and smb2 mushroom, and I would love to have new power-ups like them, but I just wish the mystery costumes were in the game. I get that multiplayer could lead to confusion, but there could just easily be a colored outline for each character in multiplayer only (like red frog mario), and the link costume could just be removed, or the link power-up could be changed to look less like the original 8-bit link.
Many of the costumes are already blue or green
The costumes could have been left as a single player only function though... Not allowing levels to be multiplayer if costumes were added to the level.
Alternatively, maybe picking up a mystery mushroom in multiplayer will just give you the costume of the character you are playing as instead.
I always just thought that in multiplayer specifically, the Mystery Mushroom would be replaced with a smaller version of the Big Mushroom, replacing the player's colour scheme with their modern colours. That way you could still have a version of Small Mario with Super Mario's physics, bit with little confusion and very little extra work for Nintendo.
the weirdest mystery is probably why they removed enemy stacking for 3D world. in fact, 3D world is the only one of the 5 styles in which the original game DOES stack enemies!
Well this aged horribly.
What do you mean?
The lack of overlapping pipes. The most odd “fix” that Nintendo has done would definitely be one to cover if another one were to be made.
Off topic, but do you plan to do a ranking video on Kirby and the Forgor Land? (specifically something like Treasure Road or Copy Abilities).
I do still want to make a video on Kirby but I just haven’t gotten much time to play it, still only on the third world 🥶
@@Odyssey_Central tbh forgotten land is better then odyssey.
@@mihyroiz_heatlair nah man cause now when I play the game I’m gonna be nitpicking the whole time being like “THIS is the game people think is better than odyssey?” And end up thinking it’s mid 🗿🗿🗿
@@Odyssey_Central Like Nathaniel Bandy was with Bowser's Fury
Forgor land
With the mystery mushroom, they could have just put a small arrow on top of you character with your mii in a coloured circle (depending on the character) with a tiny circle to the bottom right with a character item, like Mario hat or a blue mushroom ball.
or make levels with mystery mushrooms not playable in multiplayer
Losing the Mystery Mushroom just as I was about to finally use Mario Maker 2's slopes for a proper Sonic themed level is the biggest tragedy.
One thing I find very weird in SMM2 is that the pokey acts the same in the underwater theme as it does on land, but it can swim in the ground night theme.
just to put this out there, when you do multiplayer, there are two ways you can quit on the loading screen, by pressing X in the top right, or pressing the back arrow in the bottom left, seems like they rushed it so fast they added 2 exits
I think control was also a factor in the removal of the weird mushroom. Nintendo wanted people to have more control in their levels(one example is adding pipe spawn speeds instead of random spawn speeds), so they removed the weird mushroom because it was random.
but why not just have it so that the weird mushroom doesn't randomly spawn? it's weird
@@cocoa2251 First of all, nice pun. Second of all…it’s Nintendo. You can probably think of at least one other time Nintendo made a decision that did not make sense, or that there was a far better solution but Nintendo solved it in a weird way.
I almost mentioned Pokémon Stadium 1’s 1 in 65536(or somewhere around that number) glitch that was an attempt to fix Pokémon Red and Blue’s 1 in 256 glitch, but I think that was more Game Freak there
@@dogboyton3166 ok yeah fair point. sometimes i forget Nintendo is just stupid occasionally
If I were adding the Mystery Mushroom, I'd make it so that in multiplayer, it always uses your character's Builder sprite.
Gotta say, I’m sorta surprised that the 3D world style didn’t get a boomerang bro, since it would coincide with the boomerang flower pretty well
Anyway, I’d love to see ice flower be either global across the 4 main themes, or just be a U exclusive, hidden behind being an extra form for the fire flower, like Yoshi’s and fire-Yoshi’s.
20:48 This could have *easily* been fixed by:
1. giving each player a colored border when they got a Mystery Mushroom.
2. have each player transform into a preset costume similar to what the player originally was, rather that what the mushroom was supposed to transform you into (for instance if Mario got it, he would use the costume that is just Mario with his updated color palette)
3. Have it so only YOU see yourself as the costume the mushroom gives you, but the other players appear as normal
I really feel like there was a tug of war between people who thought players wanted SMB2 style and ones who didn't, so the put the SMB2 shroom in to get a sense of how desired the mode is.
For the weird mushroom they could just make an option for map makers to give a random weird one or not.
Ever since they announced that updates were coming to an end, I always felt that the game was incomplete only due to the absence of a few basic features. Still to this day if they just added beach and volcano themes along with Fire Bros and Porcuffers It would feel like a complete package. I'm still mad that water is exclusive to the jungle theme of all things.
For the fire-bro’s thing where they didn’t wanna translate it over to the other game styles because the way the fire travels in the other games is completely different and they just didn’t feel like changing them over
I do agree about it being dumb for the reason why stone might not be in the editor. Cool that you featured me! I love your videos!
Nice pfp!
@@NickMario1 thanks! A friend drew it for me :D
21:00 I believe that is the reason too, but they could have just made it to were if the mystery mushroom is in a level you cant play it in multiplayer
Damn Odyssey there is definitely an improvement in quality with this video. Love the editing! Fantastic job as always!
For the secret game style thing, I doubt they actually planned to make smb2 its own style. After all, we would see atleast one sprite hidden in the game files for smb2 tiles or new monsters etc... but nothing was found by modders...
Furthermore, super mario 3d world not being centered is a normal design choice for a menu where you use a D-Pad. Imagine you currently select the 3d style and then press up.. where would somebody expect to go? The left or the right side? Making the style fixed at one side just makes it easier to coordinate through the menu
ways to solve Mystery Mushroom Theory #2 without alternates for the amiibo costumes:
- outline around characters with their colo(u)r
- make characters who aren't the player appear darker or lighter like how smash melee & brawl had people on the same team always use that team's color for their costume and picking multiple of the same character on a team would cause some players to be darker or lighter
Easily my favorite Odyssey video, saving this in the playlist.
Thanks for showing it to me Odyssey!
Edit: I think keeping my volume muted and turning on captions helped a lot with the score.
I think the Boss Bass has a closer relation to the Cheep Chomp, in both appearance and function. They might even be the same enemy, though the wiki says that it became the Big Cheep Cheep enemy.
I seem to remember Boss Bass being called Big Bertha.
@@Tahngarthor I've seen that name too. I'm unsure how "official" that name is; I'll look it up.
Edit: I found this from the wiki. Remember that it can be edited by anyone, but there are citations for the latter three names.
_Big Cheep Cheeps, originally known as both Boss Basses and Big Berthas and later as Mega Cheep-Cheeps, are large Cheep Cheeps that appear throughout the Super Mario franchise._
Here's my opinion on Mario Maker 2 DLC.
If Mario Kart 8 can get DLC after so many years, Mario Maker 2 can as well.
My main idea for why the weird mushroom was cut was because nintendo did not want to make sprites for all game styles like nsmb
Great video as always! You should do a video discussing possible new inclusions that could be implemented into a smm3
Mystery: Why are refreshing levels still popular?
I definitely believe SMM2 suffered heavily from Nintendo's "Finish it later" policy they've been doing with games lately. Really feels like Nintendo was definitely planning to continue support of the game (aka finish it) via updates, either paid or free, but the game didn't meet sales expectations and Nintendo pulled the plug on all further work on planned updates. What we got was what they'd already finished working on. I have no doubt that the SMB2 Mushroom was originally planned to be a full "extra game style" like 3D World but they just weren't able to finish it so we got what they had already finished in the form of the power up. It's a huge shame. SMM2 is the type of game that had tons of potential for continued support. The fact that Nintendo dropped it like a hot potato (and the fact that they NEVER fixed the godawful laggy online mode) makes me regret purchasing it honestly. And it also makes me worry we'll never see a SMM3.
Same.
Nintendo was hoping to just squeeze out a product and have it fly off, and when it didn't they just gave up on it.
For the mystery mushroom thingy, Nintendo could just make a unique multiplayer exclusive smol outfit skin. Like a black and red for Mario, black and red for Luigi (like in galaxy), a black and blue for toad (white becomes black and spots become blue), and a black and pink for toadette. ;)
Oh. I would pay 20$ extra dollars for a SMM2 expansion pass with the being fire bros in the other styles JUST to murder them in the Mario World style!
...and the Porcupuffers
1:34 i just found this channel and i love it, not only does it intrigue me, teach me more about the game and is funny, it's also an educational channel
I think the weird mushroom would have probably been added as the new smb1 powerup in version 3.0, but it got replaced by the smb2 mushroom when the smb2 game style got scrapped.
3:38 The second best Nintendo franchise deserves more love
1st
Odyssey Central well done! You are so close to 100K subs and every day you get closer I get more excited for that ranking every odyssey moon video!
Yes. Another video I can moderately enjoy. The video better not be good or terrible, just moderate
You missed an appearance for the weird mushroom lol.
In super worlds, creators have the option to place down one of three toad houses that the player can try and beat for 1-5 1-ups.
One of these involves you trying to catch balls as they shoot out of a cannon. If you miss any of them, they hit the house and weird Mario comes and scolds you.
Remember when everyone thought that there would be a second extra game style but then the last major update hit and crushed everyone’s hopes and dreams?
Yeah me too.
I sill feel that pain.
the fact that they removed amiibo support is just unbelievable
The Mystery Mushroom sounds really cool, I wish it would've been in SMM2 cause it looks so fun! Playing as a character that's not in the Mario franchise or even Nintendo original (ex: Sonic, My Melody, Megaman etc) would be really cool but, its understandable why its not in SMM2
The stal in the background is lovely :)
The theories you made about the fire bro is exactly the ones i thought off
I hope there's going to be a Super Mario Maker 3 on the next console, even if SMM2 was deemed a "flop" of sorts. It's just something very special and it's still got a lot of potential!
I cannot believe you are almost at 100k subs! Your channel is growing so fast😃
This video is excellent, can’t wait for the rankings of all the moons in Odyssey! 100K special
I like the mystery you came up with, especially with the mystery mushroom but I really think Nintendo could've just brought things back from SMM1 and make those enemies in other styles. The enemies one really didn't make sense for those to not appear in the main 4 styles, but I like your mystery explaining why they didn't.
I remember making a level in SMW theme, wanted to add a fire bro and then spending a few minutes looking for the fire bro, thinking that I was just stupid and blind only to realize that it was SM3DW exclusive.
Ideas I had for the argument that the mistary mushroom was not added because multiplayer is that the could have jest tinted the sprites the respected character's color with code or jest added a big sign above the player's head that said who was who. Like P1, P2, P3, P4. Or do both.
This game had so much potential I really wish Nintendo continued work on it.
4:08
Odyssey: Seven of these games are mario games.
Luigi's mansion 3, smash bros ultimate, and mario party superstars: Are we jokes to you?
1. Mario Party Superstars isn't in the top 17 best selling switch games
2. He says directly after and that's assuming Luigi's Mansion 3 and Smash. Ultimate don't count so it's really closer to nine
me when I comment before finishing the video
16:07 nintendo gave 3d world 5 entirely new powerups in one update, gave the intros and super worlds to mario world theme.
I think they could give mario bros theme that
The porcapuffer WAS underwater in Mario 3. It shoots a small blooper at the player out of its mouth, and then quickly dashes at the blooper it shot and eats it, also eating the player if touched.
That's not a Porcupuffer. Porcupuffers first appeared in Super Mario World.
@@harrybest2041 Yeah, that's a boss bass, but odyssey did say boss basses act exactly the same as porcupuffers
@@davinchristino I would say it became the Cheep Chomp enemy. They acted more similarly to the Boss Bass before the Porcupuffer, and their appearance is almost identical to the Boss Bass, just purple.
"The wiggler hasn't been drowned in any mainline Mario Game"
My brother in Christ, the wiggler boss fight in 64 begins with you trying to drown him by draining the mountain.
The fact that NSMBU deluxe sold more than mario maker 2 by 5 million units hurts my soul
Ugh, this also means they’re less likely to develop more “maker” games. Such a shame, community was so passionate
The weird mushroom toad actually looks kinda scary
Super Mario Wonder game style will take over the empty space in ‘Extra Game Styles’
6:16 I believe this leans on a bit of phrasing - "game style" refers to a singular one you're using, and "extra styles" refers to (what could've been) a group of additional choices that's separated from the main group due to being more unique.
Hi @OdysseyCentral
I love your content and find it super interesting and informative
I have a video idea:
Since you ranked all the taunts in Ultimate, how about ranking every character’s victory screens?
Also i was curious, have you done a face reveal before/ are you planning to do one or no and why/why not?
Love your videos, keep up the great work to 100K!!
I do actually want to rank all victory screens here soon! (Possibly my next smash video) and as for the face reveal I have done one but it’s quite old, I’ll show my face whenever I think it’d add something to a video
@@Odyssey_Central video idea: rank every enemy/boss in super Mario Odyssey.
@@dothog1401 He ranked all the bosses already: czcams.com/video/TZ7k1OujYvg/video.html
@@Odyssey_Central rank all 6563 of dr mario’s victory animations or it’s a bad video
i love whenever you upload, your videos are really good
Great editing for this video! Lets get this man to 1,000,000 subs!
damn getting closer to the 100K
I’ve been watching you for 3 years and subscribed only yesterday (I watched you sighted out
I genuinely respect your respect towards FNaF, not many people realize how big of an impact it had on the indie gaming industry in 2014-2016.
I love this content! I think you will want to change the title or something, because the performance has a pretty big plummet is views, but also sequels don’t perform as well. Then again idk much about making videos, this is just what I’ve heard and gone off of.
Uhhh, so I lied… it’s pretty good analytics lol
I think covid played a major factor in stopping the support for this game as as well. This game got 2 major updates with the second and the last one was right in the beginning of the pandemic. They probably had to put out what they had finished and scrap the rest do to the work from home orders at that time But the lower then expected sales played a factor in this as well.
Honestly, the best explanation for a feature in SMM1 not returning in SMM2 is that players used it in a way that didn't 100% align with what Nintendo envisioned, so they threw another tantrum and took their metaphorical ball home with them.
I wonder if there’s tech behind these mysteries. Smashy, are you there?
Sometimes Mario enemies make me want to go to the Krusty crab and Order 1 million krabby patties because boss bass clearly sounds like something to inspire Bubble Bass
Oh boy, a new video to throw on for background noise! Thanks!
It's my bday today. Good to just sit down and watch this
The thing about underselling in SMM2 sales is that Animal Crossing is the #2 most sold game on switch and yet it had the plug pulled on it quickly.
You'll do what at 100k? Also I could've sworn you had more subscribers. Your videos definitely have a very high quality.
I really liked this video. Also imagine a mario maker 2 iceberg
the toad joke hit. great vid!
15:06 this easter egg is in mario maker 1, so all of these sprites are reused from the first game, except for the 3d world ones obviously
Low sales of smm2 due to the fact that the game requires an online membership. To pay extra 20 dollars every year to play the game, not everyone will like it, taking into account the fact that smm costs a full price. Other mario games, although there are online features that require membership, but they are not the core.
although there is a single mode in smm2, but it looks worse than in nsmbu or in odessey
that's exactly why I didn't bought it
18:43
Also they would've probably brung the Weird mushroom to all the game styles, but once they finished the weird SMW sprites, they realized they had to make HD weird Mario
and we aren't ready for that level of cursedness yet.
R.I.P mystery mushroom :(
Except Link and Giant characters survived
7:21 porcupuffer really originated in Super Mario World
I think the mystery mushroom’s removal mainly came from as you said, too much work, but I also think it was licensing issues. You are correct when you say Nintendo doesn’t own sonic or mega man and all
Aw man! I always wanted to play a hello kitty while lagging in multiplayer
12:11
Yeah, definitely the same
Its not like one has dark patches and is also bigger or anything
5:56 The streetpass music hits too close to home
It still baffles me that people still want a side character from a side Mario game that came out 27 years ago over any other logical Nintendo or 3rd party character.
Yeah, Geno doesn't make any sense.
(Pls Sakurai give me Skull Kid, he needs a hug and a Smash invitation😭🙏)
The fact that the Game Style menu says "Game Style" for the 4 classic styles and for 3D World it says "Extra game styles" lmao
in the parts where you play smb2 in smm2 was the levels made by nathaniel bandy
i mean i watched his video and i remember the 2. fight with birdo was a bowser jr with a cannon ontop
honestly I was so sad when MM2 had its last update, so what if it wasn't the best game ever made, it had so much potential for more content, I hope Nintendo makes a MM3 with some new and cut content, imagine the possibilities of what could be made if they added a Kirby suit, or a sonic suit, etc., maybe they could even add an option to not lose the suit when hit and just give a heart system or something like that to the suits. Adding an Odyssey style would also open alot up, maybe there's a level you can only beat as a goomba or a koopa. They could also update the world maker, cause to be honest, its not very good at the moment. Idk, I just hope a MM3 happens, the game has so much potential.
20:58 just have it have an outline in multiplayer depending on the character that got the mushroom. You know, red, green, blue, pink.
For the mystery mushroom in multiplayer, they could just have given the 4 characters one sprite and not all the possible, so it isn't mystery anymore, but you can still use it to make yourself small big
I just remembered the "Chu chu chu chu chu!" Girl from Anti-Softlocks in Troll levels. That was Iconic.
FunFact: in SMM1, you could press the save-bot´s eyes and will make a funny noise.
FunFact2: in SMM1, there were some codes and there was a special code being 2234, that contained a secret.
A very important factor is the pandemic. It is almost certain they were planning to add an SMB2 style, and a more fleshed out version of Super Worlds, but COVID hit which shattered their development plans, so they rushed out a giant update with many of the features in said update having much less depth than originally intended.