Who is Melinoë in Hades II? - Greek Gods Explained

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  • čas přidán 8. 12. 2022
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Komentáře • 297

  • @ANDPEGGY-1
    @ANDPEGGY-1 Před rokem +1303

    last time I was this early Zeus wasn't hooking up with some random lady

  • @doggo7078
    @doggo7078 Před rokem +549

    1:10 "the developers have clearly included the moons into her character"
    _Proceeds to circle every little moon there is but the giant and obvious moon-like dagger that makes a quarter of the image_

    • @realistdemon7242
      @realistdemon7242 Před rokem +64

      ‘At’s a sickle that is.

    • @doggo7078
      @doggo7078 Před rokem +34

      @@realistdemon7242 moon-like sickle

    • @realistdemon7242
      @realistdemon7242 Před rokem +3

      @@doggo7078 Yea.

    • @Toastman30K
      @Toastman30K Před rokem +17

      @@realistdemon7242 I saw some people theorise that Sickle may be Kronos' old Sickle, kind of like how Hades' old spear is a weapons Zagreus can use

    • @hugorodriguez8672
      @hugorodriguez8672 Před rokem +4

      "moon like dagger", isn't that just a sickle?

  • @toufos1
    @toufos1 Před rokem +1151

    In the orphic hymns Melinoe and Hecate were referred to by the same adjective ''κροκόπεπλος'' (wearing a yellow veil) as if they were the same person and some theorise that Melinoe is a surname to Hecate.Considering in the trailer Hecate has her features concealed and the plot suggests some time shenanigans it's possible that Hecate is an older version of Melinoe.

    • @jerkel
      @jerkel Před rokem +54

      Twilight Princess Link style

    • @OctopusLady
      @OctopusLady Před rokem +112

      That's so interesting! Because Zagreus was also associated with and possibly was another version of a different god (Dionysus, as pointed out in the game, but some believed that Zag was also just another form of Hades).
      I guess "potentially being another version of a different god" runs in the family.

    • @SomeoneTookMyOldName
      @SomeoneTookMyOldName Před rokem +71

      @@OctopusLady in the first game the do reference that. You can get some dialog with Dionysus, where him and zag joke to Orpheus that Dionysus is revived zag, and Orpheus believes it, even after zag tries to explain that it was a jokr

    • @H240909
      @H240909 Před rokem +1

      What “time shenanigans”?

    • @OctopusLady
      @OctopusLady Před rokem +16

      @@SomeoneTookMyOldName yes! I worded that kind of funny in my comment (I probably should have said something like, "Zag was possibly another version of Dionysus, which the game pointed out") but yeah, I completely LOST IT when I saw that convo between Zag and Dio in the game.
      And I just realized that the game also kinda acknowledges that Zagreus was also believed to be another version of Hades, with how Poseidon always called him "Little Hades!"
      God, I am constantly impressed with the amount of research Supergiant Games put into Hades I. Hades II is gonna be AMAZING.

  • @MeliesCinemagician
    @MeliesCinemagician Před rokem +204

    So, Melinoe is basically the goddess of jumpscares?

  • @johantank5631
    @johantank5631 Před rokem +402

    I think the reason one of the reasons melinoe is being represented as the daughter of hades is because in the Orphic tradition which is what we know of her from, Zeus and hades are often synchronized/ considered the same god ( this may mean that in the lost Hellenistic view she just might be the daughter of hades like Zagreus seemingly was)

    • @someplant5971
      @someplant5971 Před rokem +6

      I was aware of hades and Poseidon being one in the same in mycenaean times, but I wasn't aware of that, could you source that for me?

    • @OptimusPhillip
      @OptimusPhillip Před 7 měsíci +7

      @@someplant5971 The Wikipedia page for Melinoë cites three different authors for the Zeus/Hades syncretism theory. Timothy Gantz ("Early Greek Myth"), Andrzej Wypustek ("Images of Eternal Beauty in Funerary Verse Inscriptions of the Hellenistic Period"), and David Hillman ("Hermaphrodites, Gynomorphs and Jesus: She-male Gods and the roots of Christianity", with apologies to any trans folks who might take offense to that title)

  • @SentaiYamaneko
    @SentaiYamaneko Před rokem +92

    Speaking of obscure gods, I gushed when I saw Moros in the trailer. He doesn't get nearly as much attention as his siblings, so it's nice to see more of him.

  • @HanamoriKuna
    @HanamoriKuna Před rokem +159

    Yes yes yes. I love the idea of supergiant bringing more obscure gods to the forefront. I’m extreemely excited to see what they do with this minor goddess and how she ties with the events of Hades.

  • @hexcraftgaming
    @hexcraftgaming Před rokem +33

    Fun fact the text comes from a group that also saw Zeus and Hades as the same god
    This group also saw Zag as the first Dionysus before his death and rebirth

    • @hasanmuttaqin464
      @hasanmuttaqin464 Před rokem +6

      which the first game did mention, zag and dionysus did a practical prank on orpheus pretending to be the same person

  • @sigvebeyer9765
    @sigvebeyer9765 Před rokem +55

    I’m so hyped for how the story will work this time. The last game had whooping like it was the Dionysia.

  • @johmlemon532
    @johmlemon532 Před rokem +32

    Bro got me all excited at the start thinking I could find out some new myths about melinoë, because unsurprisingly, I’ve never REALLY heard of myths about her. I was all excited because I’ve pretty much run out of myths to be obsessed with… soo

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 Před rokem +20

    I wonder if we might end up meeting Erebus in Hades 2. He's Nyx's husband/brother (which one they'll want to take is up to them) and out of the primordials he's easily the least explored of in fictional media

  • @english4entrepreneurs
    @english4entrepreneurs Před rokem +49

    Hey Jake, have you ever considered doing grimms fairy tales? I think your interpretation of them would be hilarious

  • @rosaryaignis4028
    @rosaryaignis4028 Před rokem +12

    It's also possible to have a trilogy cause then Hades' children have 3 which is Zag, Melinoe, and Makaria/Macaria. I really do hope Macaria will show up, but wonder how would her story play out.

  • @petertownsend9148
    @petertownsend9148 Před rokem +46

    This is interesting because when I first saw her I assumed she was an Empousa. The single metallic leg and working for Hecate both support this. Maybe they're combining the ideas together

  • @El_Bufon14
    @El_Bufon14 Před rokem +52

    PLEASE EGYPTIANS MYTHOLOGY NEXT!!

    • @gabrielrussell5531
      @gabrielrussell5531 Před rokem +8

      So after killing Osiris, Set (Osiris' brother) is all set to be king. Isis brings Osiris back long enough to conceive Horus. Horus grows up and decides to assert his claim to the throne. Set assaults Horus, and Mediterranean power-dynamics are all aboot who has ejaculated inside whom, so Horus is now less fit than Set to be king. Horus then secretly "Seasons" Set's salad to even the score. Since both of them have had their semen inside the other it was declared a wash so they'd have to come up with a new contest: They'd race boats made of stone. Horus wins by cheating: He paints a wooden boat to look stone, and as such he wins.

    • @Jenna_Talia
      @Jenna_Talia Před rokem +5

      Imagine if Supergiant just ends up becoming the "mythology game studio" lmao.
      I'd be interested to see how furries would react to Anubis.

    • @El_Bufon14
      @El_Bufon14 Před rokem

      @@Jenna_Talia they would go insane

    • @Ravagerblade
      @Ravagerblade Před 4 měsíci

      Nord myths may have been done over and over again but I'd still go for it, but also imagine if they did what ifs, So To aru Majutsu no Index Othinus is a female character but in NT10 she says how mortals imagine her as an Old man with a Beard etc or so. So what if they had Odin just be Othinus etc... Female Thor etc... eh kek

  • @federicokina9998
    @federicokina9998 Před rokem +9

    She is Hecate! In the trailer's informations there are the names of the dubbing actors and Hecate is explicitly mentioned
    I am so hyped btw lol

  • @brainoffgaming
    @brainoffgaming Před rokem +3

    I've recently discovered your channel and also recently binged all your content. I love your vids !!

  • @darkxwizzard
    @darkxwizzard Před rokem +4

    Thank you CZcams Algorithm for randomly putting this on my feed. Watched a couple more of your videos after this and dropped a sub. Your videos are informative and you manage to get those information across in a quick, entertaining way.

  • @trotskystarallies2284
    @trotskystarallies2284 Před rokem +22

    id be really curious to hear your take on modern adaptations of greek mythology and how you *PERSONALLY* would adapt greek mythology into your own creative work. do you prefer accuracy or entertainment value? do you have a favorite adaptation? (btw im not trying to ask what people SHOULD do just what you would want to see.) thank you! love your work and videos

  • @azvelyn
    @azvelyn Před rokem +23

    I wonder if Asteria is gonna be mentioned in any way or have a role in this game with how, if that really is, Hecate playing a bigger role in this game.

    • @Brian-tn4cd
      @Brian-tn4cd Před rokem +2

      Trailer credits show that it was definitely Hecate

  • @FabulousDoesStuffYT
    @FabulousDoesStuffYT Před rokem +7

    Now we need a 30 second video on Zagreus

  • @anneb4520
    @anneb4520 Před rokem +20

    Zeus and Hades were considered by the Orphics (the main source we have for Melinoe) two aspects of the same god, by assuming the Guise of Hades it was meant he had become Hades literally

  • @_randombeans
    @_randombeans Před rokem +6

    Melinoë is the goddess of ghosts, nightmares and funerary rites if you didn't know..

  • @tirsobrunk7364
    @tirsobrunk7364 Před rokem +2

    I love your vids, keep up the good work😊

  • @4bitmonitor373
    @4bitmonitor373 Před 24 dny +3

    Considering the game is in early access, I played a bunch of the beginning
    You're mostly on point, Hecate IS the Witch character & Melinoe DOES have a connection to the moon/Selene
    Well done Jake!

  • @cookieoutrage
    @cookieoutrage Před rokem +1

    10 something hours since Hades II released and now there is an animated vid about it. I'm so happy.

  • @Monasster
    @Monasster Před rokem +6

    I was looking into her story a bit and it seems that Zeus and Hades at some points/regions in Greek history were considered the same god but split thus resulting in this confusion between who's daughter she was. Interesting if accurate

  • @idokaplan2086
    @idokaplan2086 Před rokem +1

    Cool video! Put a link to the Hecate video in the description please!

  • @CY3ER
    @CY3ER Před 14 dny

    Wow, you were pretty much spot on!

  • @tirthasimanta2608
    @tirthasimanta2608 Před rokem +10

    If you haven't already can you do one explaining zagreus's origins?

    • @leeshajoi
      @leeshajoi Před rokem +1

      I second this! My knowledge of Zagreus comes exclusively from OSP's Dionysus video, which only mentioned him in passing.

  • @ollo3934
    @ollo3934 Před rokem

    I'm more impressed by the initiative of making this video than the actual video lol

  • @therealfraimer3169
    @therealfraimer3169 Před rokem +7

    You Need ti do a family tree of the greek mitology

    • @Gerisvaldo
      @Gerisvaldo Před rokem +5

      They don't have a family tree
      They have a family pretzel

    • @The_pitbull536
      @The_pitbull536 Před rokem +2

      @@Gerisvaldo no they have a family fractal

  • @J1P2K
    @J1P2K Před rokem +7

    Now do a video on Zagreus.
    It will allow you to keep on the Hades' train.

  • @Pluto-yf6fy
    @Pluto-yf6fy Před rokem +7

    Surely we have a video on the obscure god that is Zagreus

    • @krimsonkatt
      @krimsonkatt Před rokem

      I thought he already did?

    • @Pluto-yf6fy
      @Pluto-yf6fy Před rokem +1

      @@krimsonkatt double checked and unless I’m mistaken Jake hasn’t - he did one on Kratos but not on Zagreus.

  • @Zenrielle
    @Zenrielle Před rokem

    Love your video 😃

  • @jkitty542
    @jkitty542 Před rokem

    Are there any other cool mythology based games you'd like to discuss at some point/reccomend?

  • @zayne4640
    @zayne4640 Před rokem +4

    I have some stories you could possibly talk or animate about:
    -Theseus and the Minotaur
    -Arachne
    -Idunn and her apples, which tell us how the aesir stay young

  • @realistdemon7242
    @realistdemon7242 Před rokem +5

    Well that’s officially a new low for Zeus.

  • @finnimus2547
    @finnimus2547 Před rokem +7

    my man... the announcement was yesterday..... how the hell did you make this video so fast jesus

    • @JakeDoubleyoo
      @JakeDoubleyoo  Před rokem +12

      It helps when there are fewer than 150 words ever recorded about the god.

    • @calamedisgaunt916
      @calamedisgaunt916 Před rokem +2

      @@JakeDoubleyoo hey would you ever consider doing Indian mythology in the future?

  • @jakelevinson7802
    @jakelevinson7802 Před rokem +3

    I recently talk to the developers, they actually make their games so Jacob will have stuff to talk about. They just don’t wanna see him go hungry the poor little guy

  • @luxiam9148
    @luxiam9148 Před rokem

    As someone who really likes greek mythology but also doesn't read much about the obscure stuff, I LOVE how Supergiant can bring it into light and how they portray the characters

  • @niallmarsh1446
    @niallmarsh1446 Před rokem

    Great vid! have you ever thought of explaining the story in the percy jackson books. Maybe some things they got wrong about greek mythology.

  • @Garden_of_Edin
    @Garden_of_Edin Před rokem +1

    I absolutely love her design. Props to the characters designers.

  • @pandazatthedisco
    @pandazatthedisco Před rokem

    Ever made a video about the extensive history and records about zagreus? I'd like to know more

  • @Friendly_Forest_Goblin
    @Friendly_Forest_Goblin Před rokem +5

    Idea for video it’s Roman mythology but it’s just the first Greek mythology video but it is just a crudely pasted over the original names

  • @krimsonkatt
    @krimsonkatt Před rokem +1

    Well, this was quick. Less than 24 hours? Dang...

  • @t-posingbird5480
    @t-posingbird5480 Před rokem +5

    claim your 36 seconds ago award here

  • @fishy664
    @fishy664 Před rokem

    Can you do a video talking about all the stuff in the original game, oh and one talking about creatures from greek mythology or maybe just the gods pets.

  • @lolcerditorock
    @lolcerditorock Před rokem +22

    Man, it is kind of sad they didn't make the distinction between Kronos and Chronos...

    • @CrownofMischief
      @CrownofMischief Před rokem +25

      They might do another thing where they reference it in in-game dialog, like how Zagreus and Dionysus are sometimes the same being but in the game it's an elaborate prank on humanity by the two gods

    • @lolcerditorock
      @lolcerditorock Před rokem +8

      @@CrownofMischief I hope so. It'd be funny amd cool if there were like 2 aspects and the time one helps us while the titan works against us

    • @CrownofMischief
      @CrownofMischief Před rokem +2

      @@lolcerditorock I can see that being like the relationship Zagreus had with Chaos

    • @arcticdino1650
      @arcticdino1650 Před rokem +1

      @@CrownofMischief I hope so too

    • @jackalope07
      @jackalope07 Před rokem

      They kinda synchrotized Pluto and Plouton in the first game

  • @AlyInk
    @AlyInk Před rokem +1

    Waiting for people to start asking you about Mesperyian.

  • @kuski5512
    @kuski5512 Před rokem

    I didnt play the first game and didnt realise its getting sequel but it looks nice, I Might get it In time

  • @jerri6181
    @jerri6181 Před rokem

    Right before this there was a Milano ad

  • @LordVanOskuro
    @LordVanOskuro Před rokem +1

    Wonder if Macaria will appear.

  • @thevrana
    @thevrana Před 5 dny

    I must say, this aged wonderfully. Nailed everything\

  • @magalomaster0024
    @magalomaster0024 Před rokem

    Now you have to do a Zagreus video

  • @sineadcarty7256
    @sineadcarty7256 Před rokem

    Jake doubleyoo mythology vid speedrun any %

  • @macadamiacheesewhiz8748

    Please do a video on ullr

  • @christianwagschal1962
    @christianwagschal1962 Před 11 měsíci

    this video is the reason i bought hades and i love it so so much

  • @--Paws--
    @--Paws-- Před rokem

    Glad I wasn't the only one thinking the witch lady was Hecate

  • @velvetisis
    @velvetisis Před rokem

    But will you do a video about Zagrias?

  • @XDZeven
    @XDZeven Před 23 dny +1

    Back after playing Hades I. Dude got 100%/100%

  • @purple4596
    @purple4596 Před rokem

    Can you make a video about Zagreus ?

  • @themousoleum
    @themousoleum Před rokem +3

    ok but I’m excited for Hades III where we finally get the most obscure cthonic goddess of all time as a protagonist: Mesperyian the Definitely Real Goddess of torture or smthn

  • @skelm_baguette
    @skelm_baguette Před rokem

    Wheres the video on hades one now?

  • @CharismaCaster
    @CharismaCaster Před rokem

    You pronouncing Hecate correctly is music to my Greek ears

  • @mr.coffeeguy2853
    @mr.coffeeguy2853 Před rokem

    That was quick.

  • @jimpastor4085
    @jimpastor4085 Před rokem

    Do Heracles part 3

  • @Entropic_Alloy
    @Entropic_Alloy Před rokem

    Hecate has a voice credit in the description of the trailer.

  • @spentheplug
    @spentheplug Před rokem

    I can’t wait for hades 2

  • @rosewater226
    @rosewater226 Před rokem +2

    I love how you drew her like a sullen teen who's like, that looks nothing like me 😒 😆😆

  • @pandazatthedisco
    @pandazatthedisco Před rokem +1

    If you ever play the game, please stream it.

  • @Stack-O-Pancakes
    @Stack-O-Pancakes Před rokem

    has jake done zagreus already?

  • @TheOverArchiver
    @TheOverArchiver Před rokem

    The credits for the trailer confirms that the witchy lady is definitely Hecate.

  • @NICK29255
    @NICK29255 Před rokem +1

    Now we just need Macaria

  • @FireShowXS1
    @FireShowXS1 Před rokem +2

    Anytime one hears about greek mythology: Zeus, please for the love of all that is holy, keep it in your pants my dude.

  • @Ever_green2021
    @Ever_green2021 Před rokem

    Soooo cool.

  • @Makafushigi
    @Makafushigi Před rokem

    I never thought they would make another and I accepted that, but now… 😫

  • @leeshajoi
    @leeshajoi Před rokem

    Okay, but that sickle she uses as her default weapon has gotta be the same sickle Cronus used on Ouranos that one time, right?

  • @deinsilverdrac8695
    @deinsilverdrac8695 Před rokem +1

    Now we need Makaria

  • @grimshock6983
    @grimshock6983 Před rokem +1

    So I’m guessing Zagreus can’t save his father since it is outside of the underworld and it’s up to her

  • @russergee49
    @russergee49 Před rokem +1

    And now we wait for the flood of misinformation that comes from those really poorly done myth channels, and all the ‘but actually!’ people trying to correct each other with material that doesn’t even exist…
    Not a criticism of the games, absolutely not, they look fun and inventive.
    Jake, your videos are real gems of knowledge, I hope people really pay attention to them.

  • @lolamunchkin9504
    @lolamunchkin9504 Před rokem +3

    Hold on a minute i've read that melinoe's split down the middle being half white and half black
    (Orphic Hymn 71 to Melinoe (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) :
    Hence, partly black thy limbs and partly white, from Plouton dark, from Zeus ethereal bright.)
    How come neither your design nor supergiant has this? Not trying to be rude just wandering.

    • @JakeDoubleyoo
      @JakeDoubleyoo  Před rokem +3

      Hmmm, Athanassakis and Wolkow (whose translation, for what it's worth, is much more recent so probably based on better scholarship) translate those lines to:
      "A two-bodied specter sprang forth from Persephone's fury."
      They don't give any explanation for that line in their notes, so I don't know how to interpret it. Their wording is certainly a lot more vague than Taylor's.
      The only clear description of Melinoë's appearance is in being "saffron cloaked", possibly associating her with the moon (think a full moon tinted yellow). For the sake of my design, I took just that part literally and gave her a yellow cloak. Supergiant also incorperated a similar color into her clothing, but every other distinctive trait in their design seems to be original.

    • @lolamunchkin9504
      @lolamunchkin9504 Před rokem

      Ah so it's just a difference in translation where one was just more vague but most likely more accurate. Alright thank you

  • @bornasotoudeh4044
    @bornasotoudeh4044 Před rokem

    I literally only know Melinoe from the Percy Jackson thing, any precedent for that version, the goddess of ghosts?

  • @alantremonti1381
    @alantremonti1381 Před rokem +1

    My man was all over this one lol.

  • @Idk-ok5ov
    @Idk-ok5ov Před rokem

    Are you related to Hank Green?

  • @manfredvonkarma9122
    @manfredvonkarma9122 Před rokem +1

    More norse stuff please

  • @xavranium
    @xavranium Před rokem

    i feel like the smartest man alive for already knowing about her

  • @InfiniteGreninja
    @InfiniteGreninja Před rokem

    You forgot to mention that she uses a sickle, (one of) the only weapon(s) that’s shaped like a moon.

  • @narutoplaysgames5509
    @narutoplaysgames5509 Před rokem

    What is the difference between adamas and hades

  • @ihatemylife3
    @ihatemylife3 Před rokem

    I would like to see a video adout Morpheus (the god of dreams)

    • @Hourglasser
      @Hourglasser Před 11 měsíci

      He's technically from roman mythology

  • @98bnu
    @98bnu Před rokem

    Potential Video idea: you can find as many of these niche 1-2 remaining fragment characters as ya can and make a fast facts format vid rattleing them all off, then whenever Hades 3 gets announced in like 5 years you can be like: HA I BEAT YOU SUPER GIANT!!!!! I 'predicted' this would be your next character, and link to a version of the vid that you clearly just cut to only have the character thats the protag.
    You can win the long con

  • @favillionbellarion9655

    hoping we still see our boy zagerus

  • @Hot_Brew
    @Hot_Brew Před rokem

    im so jealous of you man... GREAT WORK

  • @RemedieX
    @RemedieX Před 9 dny

    Makes sense why Dora is her friend then

  • @DiscountSatan69420
    @DiscountSatan69420 Před rokem

    im really happy/excieted but also really sad because she looks really cool and fun but i miss zagreus

  • @byrontheusurper6505
    @byrontheusurper6505 Před rokem +1

    Apollo, Nemesis, kronos, this is gonna be a starstudded cast! Also I assume her witch mentor might be hecate maybe? Edit: hell yeah we're on one page! And if hecate is involved you KNOW this shit's gonna get strange and good!

  • @archaicchaos7672
    @archaicchaos7672 Před rokem

    oh sweet melinoë is getting attention

  • @WTSD850
    @WTSD850 Před 5 měsíci

    hope we see empusa the leader of hecates forces in the game

  • @jaidenshah4602
    @jaidenshah4602 Před rokem

    What about zagreus, the main character of the first game

  • @Niteshiftmonkey
    @Niteshiftmonkey Před rokem

    Here take your like & comment for the algorithm, thank you for the video and info…. Here take a sub while you’re at it.