1:10 "the developers have clearly included the moons into her character" _Proceeds to circle every little moon there is but the giant and obvious moon-like dagger that makes a quarter of the image_
In the orphic hymns Melinoe and Hecate were referred to by the same adjective ''κροκόπεπλος'' (wearing a yellow veil) as if they were the same person and some theorise that Melinoe is a surname to Hecate.Considering in the trailer Hecate has her features concealed and the plot suggests some time shenanigans it's possible that Hecate is an older version of Melinoe.
That's so interesting! Because Zagreus was also associated with and possibly was another version of a different god (Dionysus, as pointed out in the game, but some believed that Zag was also just another form of Hades). I guess "potentially being another version of a different god" runs in the family.
@@OctopusLady in the first game the do reference that. You can get some dialog with Dionysus, where him and zag joke to Orpheus that Dionysus is revived zag, and Orpheus believes it, even after zag tries to explain that it was a jokr
@@SomeoneTookMyOldName yes! I worded that kind of funny in my comment (I probably should have said something like, "Zag was possibly another version of Dionysus, which the game pointed out") but yeah, I completely LOST IT when I saw that convo between Zag and Dio in the game. And I just realized that the game also kinda acknowledges that Zagreus was also believed to be another version of Hades, with how Poseidon always called him "Little Hades!" God, I am constantly impressed with the amount of research Supergiant Games put into Hades I. Hades II is gonna be AMAZING.
I think the reason one of the reasons melinoe is being represented as the daughter of hades is because in the Orphic tradition which is what we know of her from, Zeus and hades are often synchronized/ considered the same god ( this may mean that in the lost Hellenistic view she just might be the daughter of hades like Zagreus seemingly was)
@@someplant5971 The Wikipedia page for Melinoë cites three different authors for the Zeus/Hades syncretism theory. Timothy Gantz ("Early Greek Myth"), Andrzej Wypustek ("Images of Eternal Beauty in Funerary Verse Inscriptions of the Hellenistic Period"), and David Hillman ("Hermaphrodites, Gynomorphs and Jesus: She-male Gods and the roots of Christianity", with apologies to any trans folks who might take offense to that title)
Speaking of obscure gods, I gushed when I saw Moros in the trailer. He doesn't get nearly as much attention as his siblings, so it's nice to see more of him.
Yes yes yes. I love the idea of supergiant bringing more obscure gods to the forefront. I’m extreemely excited to see what they do with this minor goddess and how she ties with the events of Hades.
Fun fact the text comes from a group that also saw Zeus and Hades as the same god This group also saw Zag as the first Dionysus before his death and rebirth
Bro got me all excited at the start thinking I could find out some new myths about melinoë, because unsurprisingly, I’ve never REALLY heard of myths about her. I was all excited because I’ve pretty much run out of myths to be obsessed with… soo
I wonder if we might end up meeting Erebus in Hades 2. He's Nyx's husband/brother (which one they'll want to take is up to them) and out of the primordials he's easily the least explored of in fictional media
It's also possible to have a trilogy cause then Hades' children have 3 which is Zag, Melinoe, and Makaria/Macaria. I really do hope Macaria will show up, but wonder how would her story play out.
This is interesting because when I first saw her I assumed she was an Empousa. The single metallic leg and working for Hecate both support this. Maybe they're combining the ideas together
So after killing Osiris, Set (Osiris' brother) is all set to be king. Isis brings Osiris back long enough to conceive Horus. Horus grows up and decides to assert his claim to the throne. Set assaults Horus, and Mediterranean power-dynamics are all aboot who has ejaculated inside whom, so Horus is now less fit than Set to be king. Horus then secretly "Seasons" Set's salad to even the score. Since both of them have had their semen inside the other it was declared a wash so they'd have to come up with a new contest: They'd race boats made of stone. Horus wins by cheating: He paints a wooden boat to look stone, and as such he wins.
Nord myths may have been done over and over again but I'd still go for it, but also imagine if they did what ifs, So To aru Majutsu no Index Othinus is a female character but in NT10 she says how mortals imagine her as an Old man with a Beard etc or so. So what if they had Odin just be Othinus etc... Female Thor etc... eh kek
Thank you CZcams Algorithm for randomly putting this on my feed. Watched a couple more of your videos after this and dropped a sub. Your videos are informative and you manage to get those information across in a quick, entertaining way.
id be really curious to hear your take on modern adaptations of greek mythology and how you *PERSONALLY* would adapt greek mythology into your own creative work. do you prefer accuracy or entertainment value? do you have a favorite adaptation? (btw im not trying to ask what people SHOULD do just what you would want to see.) thank you! love your work and videos
I wonder if Asteria is gonna be mentioned in any way or have a role in this game with how, if that really is, Hecate playing a bigger role in this game.
Zeus and Hades were considered by the Orphics (the main source we have for Melinoe) two aspects of the same god, by assuming the Guise of Hades it was meant he had become Hades literally
Considering the game is in early access, I played a bunch of the beginning You're mostly on point, Hecate IS the Witch character & Melinoe DOES have a connection to the moon/Selene Well done Jake!
I was looking into her story a bit and it seems that Zeus and Hades at some points/regions in Greek history were considered the same god but split thus resulting in this confusion between who's daughter she was. Interesting if accurate
I have some stories you could possibly talk or animate about: -Theseus and the Minotaur -Arachne -Idunn and her apples, which tell us how the aesir stay young
I recently talk to the developers, they actually make their games so Jacob will have stuff to talk about. They just don’t wanna see him go hungry the poor little guy
As someone who really likes greek mythology but also doesn't read much about the obscure stuff, I LOVE how Supergiant can bring it into light and how they portray the characters
Can you do a video talking about all the stuff in the original game, oh and one talking about creatures from greek mythology or maybe just the gods pets.
They might do another thing where they reference it in in-game dialog, like how Zagreus and Dionysus are sometimes the same being but in the game it's an elaborate prank on humanity by the two gods
ok but I’m excited for Hades III where we finally get the most obscure cthonic goddess of all time as a protagonist: Mesperyian the Definitely Real Goddess of torture or smthn
And now we wait for the flood of misinformation that comes from those really poorly done myth channels, and all the ‘but actually!’ people trying to correct each other with material that doesn’t even exist… Not a criticism of the games, absolutely not, they look fun and inventive. Jake, your videos are real gems of knowledge, I hope people really pay attention to them.
Hold on a minute i've read that melinoe's split down the middle being half white and half black (Orphic Hymn 71 to Melinoe (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) : Hence, partly black thy limbs and partly white, from Plouton dark, from Zeus ethereal bright.) How come neither your design nor supergiant has this? Not trying to be rude just wandering.
Hmmm, Athanassakis and Wolkow (whose translation, for what it's worth, is much more recent so probably based on better scholarship) translate those lines to: "A two-bodied specter sprang forth from Persephone's fury." They don't give any explanation for that line in their notes, so I don't know how to interpret it. Their wording is certainly a lot more vague than Taylor's. The only clear description of Melinoë's appearance is in being "saffron cloaked", possibly associating her with the moon (think a full moon tinted yellow). For the sake of my design, I took just that part literally and gave her a yellow cloak. Supergiant also incorperated a similar color into her clothing, but every other distinctive trait in their design seems to be original.
Potential Video idea: you can find as many of these niche 1-2 remaining fragment characters as ya can and make a fast facts format vid rattleing them all off, then whenever Hades 3 gets announced in like 5 years you can be like: HA I BEAT YOU SUPER GIANT!!!!! I 'predicted' this would be your next character, and link to a version of the vid that you clearly just cut to only have the character thats the protag. You can win the long con
Apollo, Nemesis, kronos, this is gonna be a starstudded cast! Also I assume her witch mentor might be hecate maybe? Edit: hell yeah we're on one page! And if hecate is involved you KNOW this shit's gonna get strange and good!
last time I was this early Zeus wasn't hooking up with some random lady
Impossible
bullsh*t
When wasnt he?
So his birth?
@@elpepe3923 he didn’t when Aphrodite was “born”
1:10 "the developers have clearly included the moons into her character"
_Proceeds to circle every little moon there is but the giant and obvious moon-like dagger that makes a quarter of the image_
‘At’s a sickle that is.
@@realistdemon7242 moon-like sickle
@@doggo7078 Yea.
@@realistdemon7242 I saw some people theorise that Sickle may be Kronos' old Sickle, kind of like how Hades' old spear is a weapons Zagreus can use
"moon like dagger", isn't that just a sickle?
In the orphic hymns Melinoe and Hecate were referred to by the same adjective ''κροκόπεπλος'' (wearing a yellow veil) as if they were the same person and some theorise that Melinoe is a surname to Hecate.Considering in the trailer Hecate has her features concealed and the plot suggests some time shenanigans it's possible that Hecate is an older version of Melinoe.
Twilight Princess Link style
That's so interesting! Because Zagreus was also associated with and possibly was another version of a different god (Dionysus, as pointed out in the game, but some believed that Zag was also just another form of Hades).
I guess "potentially being another version of a different god" runs in the family.
@@OctopusLady in the first game the do reference that. You can get some dialog with Dionysus, where him and zag joke to Orpheus that Dionysus is revived zag, and Orpheus believes it, even after zag tries to explain that it was a jokr
What “time shenanigans”?
@@SomeoneTookMyOldName yes! I worded that kind of funny in my comment (I probably should have said something like, "Zag was possibly another version of Dionysus, which the game pointed out") but yeah, I completely LOST IT when I saw that convo between Zag and Dio in the game.
And I just realized that the game also kinda acknowledges that Zagreus was also believed to be another version of Hades, with how Poseidon always called him "Little Hades!"
God, I am constantly impressed with the amount of research Supergiant Games put into Hades I. Hades II is gonna be AMAZING.
So, Melinoe is basically the goddess of jumpscares?
basically yeah
She is Mrs afton
People theorize that she's the goddess of Ghosts and Nightmares.
She gave birth to fnaf
I think the reason one of the reasons melinoe is being represented as the daughter of hades is because in the Orphic tradition which is what we know of her from, Zeus and hades are often synchronized/ considered the same god ( this may mean that in the lost Hellenistic view she just might be the daughter of hades like Zagreus seemingly was)
I was aware of hades and Poseidon being one in the same in mycenaean times, but I wasn't aware of that, could you source that for me?
@@someplant5971 The Wikipedia page for Melinoë cites three different authors for the Zeus/Hades syncretism theory. Timothy Gantz ("Early Greek Myth"), Andrzej Wypustek ("Images of Eternal Beauty in Funerary Verse Inscriptions of the Hellenistic Period"), and David Hillman ("Hermaphrodites, Gynomorphs and Jesus: She-male Gods and the roots of Christianity", with apologies to any trans folks who might take offense to that title)
Speaking of obscure gods, I gushed when I saw Moros in the trailer. He doesn't get nearly as much attention as his siblings, so it's nice to see more of him.
Yes yes yes. I love the idea of supergiant bringing more obscure gods to the forefront. I’m extreemely excited to see what they do with this minor goddess and how she ties with the events of Hades.
Fun fact the text comes from a group that also saw Zeus and Hades as the same god
This group also saw Zag as the first Dionysus before his death and rebirth
which the first game did mention, zag and dionysus did a practical prank on orpheus pretending to be the same person
I’m so hyped for how the story will work this time. The last game had whooping like it was the Dionysia.
Bro got me all excited at the start thinking I could find out some new myths about melinoë, because unsurprisingly, I’ve never REALLY heard of myths about her. I was all excited because I’ve pretty much run out of myths to be obsessed with… soo
I wonder if we might end up meeting Erebus in Hades 2. He's Nyx's husband/brother (which one they'll want to take is up to them) and out of the primordials he's easily the least explored of in fictional media
Hey Jake, have you ever considered doing grimms fairy tales? I think your interpretation of them would be hilarious
Yes!! Bring this up!!
It's also possible to have a trilogy cause then Hades' children have 3 which is Zag, Melinoe, and Makaria/Macaria. I really do hope Macaria will show up, but wonder how would her story play out.
This is interesting because when I first saw her I assumed she was an Empousa. The single metallic leg and working for Hecate both support this. Maybe they're combining the ideas together
PLEASE EGYPTIANS MYTHOLOGY NEXT!!
So after killing Osiris, Set (Osiris' brother) is all set to be king. Isis brings Osiris back long enough to conceive Horus. Horus grows up and decides to assert his claim to the throne. Set assaults Horus, and Mediterranean power-dynamics are all aboot who has ejaculated inside whom, so Horus is now less fit than Set to be king. Horus then secretly "Seasons" Set's salad to even the score. Since both of them have had their semen inside the other it was declared a wash so they'd have to come up with a new contest: They'd race boats made of stone. Horus wins by cheating: He paints a wooden boat to look stone, and as such he wins.
Imagine if Supergiant just ends up becoming the "mythology game studio" lmao.
I'd be interested to see how furries would react to Anubis.
@@Jenna_Talia they would go insane
Nord myths may have been done over and over again but I'd still go for it, but also imagine if they did what ifs, So To aru Majutsu no Index Othinus is a female character but in NT10 she says how mortals imagine her as an Old man with a Beard etc or so. So what if they had Odin just be Othinus etc... Female Thor etc... eh kek
She is Hecate! In the trailer's informations there are the names of the dubbing actors and Hecate is explicitly mentioned
I am so hyped btw lol
I've recently discovered your channel and also recently binged all your content. I love your vids !!
Thank you CZcams Algorithm for randomly putting this on my feed. Watched a couple more of your videos after this and dropped a sub. Your videos are informative and you manage to get those information across in a quick, entertaining way.
id be really curious to hear your take on modern adaptations of greek mythology and how you *PERSONALLY* would adapt greek mythology into your own creative work. do you prefer accuracy or entertainment value? do you have a favorite adaptation? (btw im not trying to ask what people SHOULD do just what you would want to see.) thank you! love your work and videos
I wonder if Asteria is gonna be mentioned in any way or have a role in this game with how, if that really is, Hecate playing a bigger role in this game.
Trailer credits show that it was definitely Hecate
Now we need a 30 second video on Zagreus
Zeus and Hades were considered by the Orphics (the main source we have for Melinoe) two aspects of the same god, by assuming the Guise of Hades it was meant he had become Hades literally
Melinoë is the goddess of ghosts, nightmares and funerary rites if you didn't know..
I love your vids, keep up the good work😊
Considering the game is in early access, I played a bunch of the beginning
You're mostly on point, Hecate IS the Witch character & Melinoe DOES have a connection to the moon/Selene
Well done Jake!
10 something hours since Hades II released and now there is an animated vid about it. I'm so happy.
I was looking into her story a bit and it seems that Zeus and Hades at some points/regions in Greek history were considered the same god but split thus resulting in this confusion between who's daughter she was. Interesting if accurate
Cool video! Put a link to the Hecate video in the description please!
Wow, you were pretty much spot on!
If you haven't already can you do one explaining zagreus's origins?
I second this! My knowledge of Zagreus comes exclusively from OSP's Dionysus video, which only mentioned him in passing.
I'm more impressed by the initiative of making this video than the actual video lol
You Need ti do a family tree of the greek mitology
They don't have a family tree
They have a family pretzel
@@Gerisvaldo no they have a family fractal
Now do a video on Zagreus.
It will allow you to keep on the Hades' train.
Surely we have a video on the obscure god that is Zagreus
I thought he already did?
@@krimsonkatt double checked and unless I’m mistaken Jake hasn’t - he did one on Kratos but not on Zagreus.
Love your video 😃
Are there any other cool mythology based games you'd like to discuss at some point/reccomend?
I have some stories you could possibly talk or animate about:
-Theseus and the Minotaur
-Arachne
-Idunn and her apples, which tell us how the aesir stay young
So far, we're 1 out of 3.
Well that’s officially a new low for Zeus.
I dunno, that seems pretty on brand
my man... the announcement was yesterday..... how the hell did you make this video so fast jesus
It helps when there are fewer than 150 words ever recorded about the god.
@@JakeDoubleyoo hey would you ever consider doing Indian mythology in the future?
I recently talk to the developers, they actually make their games so Jacob will have stuff to talk about. They just don’t wanna see him go hungry the poor little guy
As someone who really likes greek mythology but also doesn't read much about the obscure stuff, I LOVE how Supergiant can bring it into light and how they portray the characters
Great vid! have you ever thought of explaining the story in the percy jackson books. Maybe some things they got wrong about greek mythology.
I absolutely love her design. Props to the characters designers.
Idk about her hair style though
Ever made a video about the extensive history and records about zagreus? I'd like to know more
Idea for video it’s Roman mythology but it’s just the first Greek mythology video but it is just a crudely pasted over the original names
Well, this was quick. Less than 24 hours? Dang...
claim your 36 seconds ago award here
Can you do a video talking about all the stuff in the original game, oh and one talking about creatures from greek mythology or maybe just the gods pets.
Man, it is kind of sad they didn't make the distinction between Kronos and Chronos...
They might do another thing where they reference it in in-game dialog, like how Zagreus and Dionysus are sometimes the same being but in the game it's an elaborate prank on humanity by the two gods
@@CrownofMischief I hope so. It'd be funny amd cool if there were like 2 aspects and the time one helps us while the titan works against us
@@lolcerditorock I can see that being like the relationship Zagreus had with Chaos
@@CrownofMischief I hope so too
They kinda synchrotized Pluto and Plouton in the first game
Waiting for people to start asking you about Mesperyian.
I didnt play the first game and didnt realise its getting sequel but it looks nice, I Might get it In time
Right before this there was a Milano ad
Wonder if Macaria will appear.
I must say, this aged wonderfully. Nailed everything\
Now you have to do a Zagreus video
Jake doubleyoo mythology vid speedrun any %
Please do a video on ullr
this video is the reason i bought hades and i love it so so much
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking the witch lady was Hecate
But will you do a video about Zagrias?
Back after playing Hades I. Dude got 100%/100%
Can you make a video about Zagreus ?
ok but I’m excited for Hades III where we finally get the most obscure cthonic goddess of all time as a protagonist: Mesperyian the Definitely Real Goddess of torture or smthn
Wheres the video on hades one now?
You pronouncing Hecate correctly is music to my Greek ears
That was quick.
Do Heracles part 3
Hecate has a voice credit in the description of the trailer.
I can’t wait for hades 2
I love how you drew her like a sullen teen who's like, that looks nothing like me 😒 😆😆
If you ever play the game, please stream it.
has jake done zagreus already?
The credits for the trailer confirms that the witchy lady is definitely Hecate.
Now we just need Macaria
Anytime one hears about greek mythology: Zeus, please for the love of all that is holy, keep it in your pants my dude.
Soooo cool.
I never thought they would make another and I accepted that, but now… 😫
Okay, but that sickle she uses as her default weapon has gotta be the same sickle Cronus used on Ouranos that one time, right?
Now we need Makaria
So I’m guessing Zagreus can’t save his father since it is outside of the underworld and it’s up to her
And now we wait for the flood of misinformation that comes from those really poorly done myth channels, and all the ‘but actually!’ people trying to correct each other with material that doesn’t even exist…
Not a criticism of the games, absolutely not, they look fun and inventive.
Jake, your videos are real gems of knowledge, I hope people really pay attention to them.
Hold on a minute i've read that melinoe's split down the middle being half white and half black
(Orphic Hymn 71 to Melinoe (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) :
Hence, partly black thy limbs and partly white, from Plouton dark, from Zeus ethereal bright.)
How come neither your design nor supergiant has this? Not trying to be rude just wandering.
Hmmm, Athanassakis and Wolkow (whose translation, for what it's worth, is much more recent so probably based on better scholarship) translate those lines to:
"A two-bodied specter sprang forth from Persephone's fury."
They don't give any explanation for that line in their notes, so I don't know how to interpret it. Their wording is certainly a lot more vague than Taylor's.
The only clear description of Melinoë's appearance is in being "saffron cloaked", possibly associating her with the moon (think a full moon tinted yellow). For the sake of my design, I took just that part literally and gave her a yellow cloak. Supergiant also incorperated a similar color into her clothing, but every other distinctive trait in their design seems to be original.
Ah so it's just a difference in translation where one was just more vague but most likely more accurate. Alright thank you
I literally only know Melinoe from the Percy Jackson thing, any precedent for that version, the goddess of ghosts?
My man was all over this one lol.
Are you related to Hank Green?
More norse stuff please
i feel like the smartest man alive for already knowing about her
You forgot to mention that she uses a sickle, (one of) the only weapon(s) that’s shaped like a moon.
What is the difference between adamas and hades
I would like to see a video adout Morpheus (the god of dreams)
He's technically from roman mythology
Potential Video idea: you can find as many of these niche 1-2 remaining fragment characters as ya can and make a fast facts format vid rattleing them all off, then whenever Hades 3 gets announced in like 5 years you can be like: HA I BEAT YOU SUPER GIANT!!!!! I 'predicted' this would be your next character, and link to a version of the vid that you clearly just cut to only have the character thats the protag.
You can win the long con
hoping we still see our boy zagerus
im so jealous of you man... GREAT WORK
Makes sense why Dora is her friend then
im really happy/excieted but also really sad because she looks really cool and fun but i miss zagreus
Apollo, Nemesis, kronos, this is gonna be a starstudded cast! Also I assume her witch mentor might be hecate maybe? Edit: hell yeah we're on one page! And if hecate is involved you KNOW this shit's gonna get strange and good!
oh sweet melinoë is getting attention
hope we see empusa the leader of hecates forces in the game
What about zagreus, the main character of the first game
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