The Jedi Really Screwed Anakin Skywalker
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- The Jedi believed that Anakin Skywalker was far too old and emotional to join the Order. The death of Qui Gon Jinn would drastically change that situation. What resulted was an uneasy relationships between Anakin and the order that would seed doubt in the young jedi's mind.
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Imagine you go to a therapist over having anxiety, and the therapist just says "You look anxious. Get out. I only teach calm people how to handle anxiety."
That's basically the Jedi Council here.
Except the council were dealing with someone who wasn't a Jedi and who's training would go against the Jedi code, it makes sense even if it's flawed
It's more like this: someone wants to become a therapist but is too emotionally unstable. Basically they're aware he would make a good therapist but also know it's ridiculously risky to make him a therapist
@@Jiub_SNhe was mostly unstable because of how he was treated by the order, he learns the order could have saved his mom, quigon, the nicest jedi to him, still didn’t care much for him, trying to pawn him off to another master, the masters treated him like shit, even when he put in the work, put in the hours, he was denied a seat on the council, obiwan was like a brother when he should have been a father, dude, when asohka, the padawan he trained, relized how problematic the council was, that her framing had been caused by a padawan who turned to the dark side, trained by another master that lacked the empathy and compassion to help a child, ah yes, we couldn’t fully indoctrinate this child and brainwash him, but still forced him into our cult and out of slavery, he was always going to be u stable, the council’s at fault here.
@@Jiub_SNI agree but they took him in despite it all and should have special accidents for him I t may be unfair to all the older kids who were rejected for sure and all that but now that he was there I think preventing the chosen one from going evil is a nesscary reason to add accomodations cuz he's so darn powerful if he does go the wrong way
I have always thought that Anakin represented how Jedi life and philosophy isn’t compatible with reality. The Jedi of the prequel era are so tied up in their doctrine that adapting to irregular situations barely crossed their minds. They are so focused on the negative potential of what emotions and relationships could bring that they dismissed any possible positives by discouraging building bonds with others and learning to identify any emotions they had. Anakin needed to learn how to process his emotions in an honest and healthy way, but the environment and people he was with only helped his emotions control him.
That is definitely where this began.
You know that’s a really interesting way to look at it. I feel like I’ve had this thought before (subconsciously maybe). But, you have helped put it into a clear and concise message. I think if most people in the real world were plucked from their life and put into the Jedi Order they’d end up like Anakin. I have a feeling I would. What do you think?
Very good points there.
I think this is a good way to interpret it, but I suspect that it wasn't what Lucas intended. Lucas has said that Qui-Gon was wrong to want to train Anakin while Filoni has said that had Qui-Gon defeated Darth Maul, he would have provided Anakin the fatherly figure that Anakin needed and prevent the fall to the Dark Side hence why it's the "duel of the fates".
Lucas has studied Eastern philosophy and has described himself as a "Buddhist Methodist", but his statements on the Dark Side are very much Western Christian and not Eastern in nature. He describes the Dark Side as a corruption of good and that achieving balance means purging the Dark Side, not finding balance and harmony between Yin and Yang. He also seems to believe that the right way to deal with adversity is to just suck it up. Obviously that isn't a particularly healthy way to go about things and going about it that way has adversely impacted his personal life.
Of course, Lucas has changed his mind on a lot of things so even his word isn't a guarantee of what he he intended when he originally made the prequels.Thus I think we need to invoke death of the author and read what is there and not what was intended, and it's pretty clear that Anakin was not raised in a healthy environment which as you say simply isn't compatible with reality.
Anakin's situation reminds me of the saying "the child that is not embraced by his village will burn it down to feel its warmth". He had all the burdens and expectations of being the Chosen One, but the very people calling him that rejected him and gave him dogmatic platitudes rather than good advice and standing by him or supporting him. And for all the talk about how fear leads to the Dark Side, it was pretty clear that the Jedi were hypocritically acting out of fear. The result is that the village very much was burned down.
Dogmatism will do that.
Kenobi was like a brother to Anakin. Only problem is that what he really needed was a father, Qui Gon.
It's oddly appropriate to identify Obi-Won and Anakin's relationship as "brotherhood." Compare how their relationship came to be with an actual, biological sense of brotherhood, i.e., Obi-Won is padawan or "son" to Qui-Gon, then suddenly, and with relatively little understanding of how/why to Obi-Won, a new arrival comes into the picture and gets this special attention from "dad" (Qui-Gon). Obi-Won has a bit of resentment but does ultimately embrace Anakin as his "little brother." Anakin, of course, holds a similar perspective as a younger brother to his elder brother, Obi-Won. I can go on with this analogy, but I think the picture is pretty much established.
@@GoldenArcher07I think Anakin definitely saw Kenobi as a father, while Kenobi might have just seen Anakin as a brother.
@@GoldenArcher07 That just tells me Anakin desperately wanted a father figure and latched onto anyone he saw as such. In the end though, that was Palpatine. Doesn't mean Obi Wan viewed him in the same way. If he was a father figure, he was a pretty crappy one. Pretty crappy brother too...
The Order could've helped Ani a lot by helping his mother.
All they needed to do was free her from slavery, move her somewhere better, and set her up with a job. Something an organisation as huge and influential as the Jedi Order could do easily.
Then they tell Anakin that she's safe and well and has a better life, but not where, and he would have much less stress and fear, making it easier for him to learn emotional control.
Honestly I think if they had freed her, Palpatine would just have her assassinated or something about the same time frame as her canon death. She was still a sure way to get to Anakin for Palpatine.
@@CorvusRedd and maybe making it look more as "because of the jedi, she was ok in Tatooine"
@@akusworld5117 Very good point lol.
@CorvusRedd
The Jedi didn’t know that though. The only reason they didn’t free Anakin’s mom was because they apparently didn’t think a single slave was worth their time. The Jedi were like the robots in I, Robot, calculatedly benevolent, but lacking in any understanding of what it’s like to be a human being (or sapient alien).
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 If we free Shmi Skywalker, we have to free everyone. - The Jedi Council, probably
The big mistake the Jedi made with Anakin seeing how different his introduction to the Jedi order was. If they only gave him a proper goodbye with his mother, everything might have gone completely different. But as were so detached from normal live and normal human emotions, they really did not understand the child and the teenager Anakin Skywalker.
He is the chosen one, but no one treated him as so.
True enough.
Just imagine how he would have turned out if he had been treated super special and pampered or even if he had never been told about the prophecy at all and raised just like everyone else.
Imagine *if* the Jedi were like back in the days of Nomi Sunrider, Revan, or the Exile. As in not detached from emotions completely like they were by the time they came across Anakin. Heck, imagine *if* they were like Qui Gon or Kanan, then the whole Anakin becoming Vader could’ve been avoided.
Jesus was treated the same way during His 3 year ministry. The Jedi Council reminds me of the Pharisees/Sanhedrin. They were so legalistic and regimented Jesus would often save His harshest rebukes for them.
Well just because he is the chosen one doesn’t mean he has a sense of entitlement
Anakin should have been treated no different than any other padawan, but he also should not have been made aware that he was the chosen one.
The Jedi set themselves up for failure, but they should have also taught him how to deal with his emotions. When he became an adult though, all of his faults were his own. Anakin also should have never been the padawan of newly knighted Obi Wan. He was not ready to take on that responsibility, especially for a leaner like Anakin.
The Jedis fear of him falling to the dark side made him fall to the dark side eventually. A self fullfilling prophecy. He brought balance to the force as there were much more jedi than sith for 1000 years?
The jedi are the dark side imo. Self-righteuous douchebags who were all to happy to play war as long as it meant they were winning. Useful idiots, every last one. At least sith want to use the force for their benefit instead of being govt thugs.
The Jedi were already blinded by their own dogma by the time Anakin was broght before the council. Palpatine and his master had been influencing the Republic for years before the Naboo crisis. Yoda didn't agree with the council to accept Annakin and still had doubts during the Clone Wars.
Imagine *if* the Jedi were like back in the days of Nomi Sunrider, Revan, or the Exile. As in not detached from emotions completely like they were by the time they came across Anakin. Heck, imagine *if* they were like Qui Gon or Kanan, then the whole Anakin becoming Vader could’ve been avoided.
You know, what you said really reminds me of something I've always said about Anakin Skywalker, how he was born not only in the wrong century but the wrong millennia for him to be in the Old Jedi Order, and that he would have done far better in the Order had he been born a thousand years or so earlier. Anakin-among other things-was a warrior at heart, and given how the Order was structured at the time-including being more militant-Anakin would have been right at home in the Jedi Order during the New Sith Wars, certainly fit in well with the Jedi Lords of the time. In the last decade of that period, I could see him being right at home in Jedi Lord Hoth's Army of Light fighting against the Brotherhood of Darkness. Had Anakin Skywalker entered the order a thousand years earlier in 1032 BBY instead of 32 BBY, he not only would have done better, he would have thrived. Sadly that was not the case, and Anakin Skywalker for all intents and purposes was born in the wrong era entirely.
@@JediMasterZim In AotC, Padme tells Anakin he is in luck, there is a rare fruit that only comes to harvest every five or seven years which brings Naboo great wealth.
In the following up Clone Wars novels, that Naboo fruit as a wine per litter is worth thousands of credit on the open market. The raw fresh fruit itself is worth binding on, thousands of credits per kilogram.
Some century harvest it gets so bad, they have to chase smugglers picking it by hand at night. The cartels pay out ten's of thousands of credits for a full bag load. In a novel Anakin stated it is wealth that should go to aid people, not to serve at a pirates' table.
Then one guy asked Anakin what he would be doing if let on Tatooine ?
Obi Wan replied, " Getting distracted by some young pretty thing, shine speeder or owner's daughter ?
Turns out the Jedi tend to rub elbows with some shady people over their years of learnt investigating.
2.) As for the New Sith Wars, or something, in all three eras or what not, every Sith empire had to negotiate business contracts with the Hutts. It was the Hutts that keep the Republic .. balance .. for millennia by drawing out the most underhanded and aggressive members of each species. The short lived races run all over the place and doing a bunch of random damage. Well teenagers being young .. adults .. and such. We the Hutts like .. controlled .. damage, less random and less like to mess with long term profits in short term gains."
b.) How many Sith draw from Hutt space ended up getting tired of Lord Khan Brotherhood of Darkness and went back to their old lifestyle jobs or settle down and started large families with many children and cousins. Face the facts, you have to breed soldiers from a give selection from any given gene pool, unless they did away the blood cell count test. Khan's war took such a total even the Jedi had to look/recruit young children cause if they didn't. The Sith would take them. It took centuries to rebuild populations and infrastructure.
( Side note from EU/legends the Corillian green rob Jedi, well lets just say a Lot of Jedi come from that space sector. Once a 30year old Jedi knight, many went for years or drop of the map and don't bother with temple business.)
There should be a bunch of Sith cultist mixed into smuggler or pirate bands families/clans even Mandorlian tribes/clans. They just don't use lightsabers, and they are down on the low down in any use of public force abilities. You don't want to get caught cheating in cards, dice, slots, etc ... mind tricking con jobs, forget the Jedi you have the Hutts and the other cartels coming after you, and your family. There are social manners in robbing the other card players of everything they have, just like an old Western poker game.
Their sites, space ports are on locations like Yoda swamp, they Live in One with the darkside natural animals life aura force fields. They blend into local surroundings.
They are tired of provoking a losing damage war with the Jedi. Some end up just wanting to watch their own grandchildren grow into adulthood, in a homemade Sith shrine surround by a few dozen war buddies. Knock back beer and shots of whisky.
I concur with you completely.
@@krispalermo8133 I don't see how what any of your points has anything to do with either my comment or JediMasterZim's reply. Kind of irrelevant actually.
@@JediMasterZimI wholeheartedly agree with you, I also feel that Anakin would’ve fit in with the Jedi order over a millennia ago when the Jedi and the Sith Empire were warring with each other.
Palpatine fits the classic abuser mold. Once he found someone lonely and scared, whose desperation came from both, he fostered these emotions, crafting them in a way that pushed Anakin closer to him, and away from anyone else that could potentially give him outside happiness and support. That's why he wanted Anakin to leave an unconscious Obi-Wan on the ship to die. It's why, according to a lot of fans' belief, he killed Shmi and Padme. If he couldn't influence these events directly, he stoked Anakin's negative emotions to make him do the pushing away for him: "If I can't make them turn on you myself, then I'll make sure that YOU make them turn on you. Then, you'll have nowhere else to go, but my side." He promised Anakin immense power, but he never actually intended to let him reach that. Everything talked about in this video is how I felt, throughout the entire prequel trilogy. This is coming from someone, who went from ages 8 to 14, as the films premiered. During "Revenge of the Sith", in particular, I remember thinking in the movie theater, "HOW THE HELL DID YOU PEOPLE MISS WHAT WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU", and that included Obi-Wan. Anakin needed their full confidence and support, and their lack of it drove him into becoming what they feared he would. They created their own monster, a tragedy that would repeat itself roughly fifty years later, through the life of his grandson, Ben. (11/2/2023)
Palpatine also fits the mold of a groomer. Groomers intentionally seek out lonely, scared or vulnerable people in order to gain their trust for the purpose of abusing them. They want the person to be their "friend" so they can use the friendship to exploit them because of course people naturally trust thier friends.
That is an amazing analysis on it I agree , it was obvious Anakin was vulnerable and the answer isn't to ignore a person like that. I know the Jedi didn't even want him but he was their responsibility to prevent from turning to the dark side and even if he stayed good the pain and suffering her went through is plain wrong obviously and shouldnt have been let to happen
@@englishlady9797Yes He is a perfect definition of a groomer and is a actually a great way to show a evil sith lord as taking advantage of someone who considers you a friend for your won selfish goal and that leads Anakin to be trapped alongside him once he joins the darkside. Not excusing his actions as Vader but explaining how whe got there
In the end it was the fear that the Jedi held, the fear of what Anakin would do, the fear of the Separatists' threat, the fear of Palpatine's growing influence, and the fear of the return of the Sith that led to the Jedi developing unacknowledged or even denied feelings of hatred. This would ultimately lead to the suffering and downfall of the Jedi Order.
"Anakin. Quit being rebellious and overly passionate. Also forget your Mom exists and don't get mad over stuff you should get mad about."
"Thank you council, do we have any Jedi therapists available?"
"Nah, we don't have that in our insurance plan. Just meditate about Jedi stuff and it'll work itself out."
"Wait, really?! What if I get my arm cut off in a lightsaber duel, or I get midichlorian disorder?!"
"Oh, amputations are fully covered. We've got spare limbs for miles. Midichlorian issues are only covered if they're service related."
Jedi: Anakin, you have fear! Fear that you will lose your mother. Fear leads to the dark side!
Anakin: Yeah, I wouldn't fear losing my mother if you freed her from slavery and set her up in a nice place.
Jedi: Lol no. You just need to not be afraid!
The Jedi Council in a nutshell.
The prequel Jedi (and particularly how they treated Anakin versus how Palpatine treated him) remind me of James 2:15-16: “If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, ‘Go in peace, be warmed and filled,’ without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?”
Only the Jedi don’t even say, “Be warmed and filled”-it’s more like, “Stop caring about cold and hunger and just accept that hypothermia and starvation are a part of life, you unenlightened wuss.”
You hit it right on the head. The Jedi strode the Galaxy like (lower g) gods. But they forgot that above all else, a god must have compassion. They ironically feared attachment too much.
The PT Jedi projected their own fears onto Anakin, during his interview in TPM.
Fear and caution are different. The Jedi were somewhat self aware enough to know that training anakin could be a bad idea
If I remember correctly, the novels and such indicate that Jedi of the prequel era rarely immerse themselves fully into the Force. Lore through stories and games about the Old Republic, on the other hand, suggest that the Jedi back then tried to always be immersed in he Force and ever strengthen their connection to it. This is probably why they were like gods compared to those of the prequels.
"See through you we can". ~ Yoda
Meanwhile in Anakin's mind, he could have very well sensed every single one of them just as strongly, if not more.
They took this golden goose and turned it into an ugly duckling. They, themselves, corrupted Anakin - and Papa Palps merely swooped in to claim the prize at the 11th hour before destroying the nonsense that had been the "Jedi Order".
Had the Jedi Order been proactive, competent, and open to discover how to appropriately form a bond with Anakin, then they wouldn't have fallen to Order 66 because it wouldn't have been issued.
He definitely brought balance to the force
"Your thoughts dwell on your mother."
"I miss her."
"Afraid to lose her you are."
"That's not what I said. Making assumptions you are."
"I hate sand."
"Uh oh, looks like we got pure evil here, fellow Jedi Masters."
"Oh, you're afraid for your mother whom we left behind in slavery? Yeah, you're evil and bound to go Dark Side" honestly I am surprised how long it took Anakin to snap lmao
Just another thing Dooku and Anakin have in common. The Jedi treated them both like crap until they lost faith in the order and fell to the dark side and Sidious' manipulations.
Jedi at that time were paralyzed by mindless adherence to dogma. Yoda was terrified of negative emotions, Mondi was pretty much a sociopath, and Windu was a walking timebomb.
Luke also has a self fulfilling prophecy. He foresees the darkness in his nephew and that Ben will destroy the new Jedi Temple. He's about to strike Ben down but then holds off. Ben sees his uncle about to strike him down and the Dark Side takes advantage of this. Ben then falls to the Dark Side and destroys the new Jedi Temple; just as Luke foresaw.
What are you talking about?
That was all fanfiction.
@@shubhanshushrivastava3471 you're fanfiction.
That doesn't make sense
Why would the dude who almost DIED to bring a broken Anakin Skywalker back to the Light suddenly call it quits and try to kill his own nephew despite the fact all he had to go on for this 'big disaster' was a bad dream?
Ah who am I kidding expecting logic from a person with a profile picture of Filoni's Mary Sue OC?
@@jeremyallen5974 The Dark Side is diminished but never extinguished. To believe that Luke could never have his mind clouded by the Dark Side ever again is illogical.
@@TheRumblewagon right, and Rey getting super good with the Force in less than a month was SO MUCH BETTER
Piss off
It’s ironic the Jedi council had a big thing with fear leading to the darkside, when they feared the darkside themselves.
It's sad to see someone look and feel so alone.
This is what I've been saying: the order created Vader, not Sidious.
Sidious only helped.
Huh, never really thought about it before but Yoda wasn't a stolen baby when he was trained. I doubt Yaddle was either since the Jedi can't steal babies from Yoda's species. So it was ok for Yoda's species to be trained from an older age but any other species had to be trained from infancy (or essentially be born of the force like Anakin). Yoda is a realistic leader for sure, the rules don't apply equally to him or his people.
Edit: Just did a little research, apparently the Jedi started rejecting students with attachments with the Ruusan Reformation. So Yoda and Yaddle would have been exceptions to the rule of training older students with attachments.
Makes it really easy to let go if you never become attached to anything in the first place.
When Yoda joined the Jedi, the Rules where different. Don't forget that he lived over 900 Years 😀
@@bonma6137 That brings up a good question that I have been thinking about this morning. When did the Jedi stop training older students? Just because they favored taking babies doesn't mean they also restricted training older children and adults at the exact same time. At what point did the Jedi order stop training older students? Was Yoda an exception? Was Yaddle an exception?
@@lyleseward8638 thats a difficult question. From what I heard on CZcams(don't know which one anymore) the age in which people can join the Jedi stricter over a long time. Manly because to reduce the Jedi who fall to the dark side 😑
@@bonma6137 I read that the practice started with the Ruusan Reformation when the Sith supposedly became extinct. I didn't think about it until you just pointed it out though. It would make more sense that the restrictions got tougher over time.
So Yoda would have been a minor exception. Yaddle a little more of an exception. Then Anakin was a big exception.
I've always thought that had the Order bought Shmi and dropped her on a nice planet, say Naboo for example, and sat down with Anakin and said "your mom is in a good place, she's comfortable, with the way our training works, you can never see her again, but just know, she'll be okay." Had they done that, at barest minimum, he would've turned out far better.
Oh I love this paradigm, in reality as well. Written, told or foretold stories have higher chance to unfold, to be acted out and repeated
“The code forbids it” Pretty sure it actually doesn’t. It talks about austerity and letting go of attachments. Don’t think it says you can have only one padawan.
To be fair he did balance the force, just not the way the jedi though
One thing I'm curious about is whether you would think that the Legends version of the New Jedi Order rectified the problems you cited with the Prequel Era Jedi. Both The Lore Master and The Stupendous Wave have released videos stating that it did, and offering analyses to back it up, and I think it'd be interesting to see if you agree or disagree. Hope that suggestion appeals to you.
its the destiny of everyone gifted
stupid expectations that arent realistic to meat which lead to self doubt which lead to lashing out
every time
every time
Wow. Man you have an awesome perspective on the Jedi. The general bungling in the making of Phantom Menace kept me from engaging in the unfolding of the narrative in all the times its played out in front of me. Some form of hero worship from a fan perspective? Not that I hadn't seen them as aloof and rather antiseptic, but these points you bring up really hit home, and I'm seeing the Jedi in a whole new light. And it's not a favorable one. People mention taking children from their families at such young ages, but I understood some of the practicality in that. But you are right on so many different points and I am loving this - it's a fresh perspective for me and I appreciate it. The most ironic thing is for a group of people who encourage others to stretch out with their feelings they seemed to have very little for this little boy with such a troubled history. It's funny how the Jedi could have such terrible intermediary and communication skills with such a young boy. Their understanding and use of Psychology makes even the worst parents look bad. Now I can really see how the Jedi had a much greater role in Anakin's fall than I did before. Even though they may not have seen themselves that way, they may have intended better all in favor of the greater good but they really had lousy, lousy execution. This bears much deeper investigation. You have totally unspooled my mind.
As the guy who made "Palpatine is goat" video said - they handed over the messiah to the devil.
The phantom mance still contradicts Obi Wan's telling Luke about his father. He didn't think he could in structure him as well as Yoda . And he said the boy was dangerous so he was right. And he didn't take it upon himself he gave Qigon his word
“Empire Strikes Back” contradicts Obi-WAN’s statements in “A New Hope.” I think we can safely say Obi-Wan has a nebulous relationship with the truth.
@@magicaltour1 Even his girlfriend knew it.
I heard some people on Reddit said that if the Jedi Order given Anakin some special treatments, his peers will become jealous and their envies will resulted in them bullying him instead. Ironically, that was what happened when they did not give him special treatments as well. And they also claimed that that if the Jedi traveled to Tatooine to free his mother, it will alerted the Hutts one way or another. If the Hutts take this as a sign of the beginning of the Republic intervention in the Hutt Space, there will be political nightmare as a consequence. And since the Jedi answered to the Senate and we know how much corrupted the Senate is, the Jedi might be in deep trouble just for posing as the potential obstacle for these corrupted politicians. Not to mention that freeing just Shmi will make such an act a bias because it means that the only reason she is freed is because she is the mother of the Chosen One while the other slaves do not have the rights to be freed because they are not Anakin's parents. Again, these are what I remembered from the Reddit. You guys can go check it out yourselves if you guys don't believe me.
And another interpretation of this can be found in Attack on Titan. Once Eren Yeager received "future memories", which are actually fragments of reality, from his future self, he took it as the one and only path that can save his loved ones. And from the certain point of view, he is right. Marley has no interested in negotiation and the rest of the world are comformed to Marley's narrative of Eldia because Marley bullied them into doing so. And those who dared to stand up to Marley always received harsh repurcussion. This is why Marley and the rest of the world deserved the Rumbling. They are nothing but bullies who will only negotiate when they are facing with dead threats.
Then, ironically enough, the Jedi, Anakin and Ahsoka in particular, would help rescue Jabba the Hutt's son from a kidnapper acting on behalf of the Separatists in a plot to frame the Jedi/Republic and turn the Hutts against them. I think there's a glaring contradiction in all of this. Just thought I'd point that out to go along with what you were saying about the Hutts' and Jedi/Republic's relationship as well as how Anakin fits into it all.
“And they also claimed that that if the Jedi traveled to Tatooine to free his mother, it will alerted the Hutts one way or another.”
They couldn’t just pay some spacer to buy her and bring her to them? People use intermediaries like that all the time IRL. It’s how Disney bought so much land for Disney World without the sellers knowing what was happening and raising their prices.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 Well, they needed to be careful in case Watto resorted to gambling again like he did with Qui-Gon Jinn. A normal person without strong connection to the Force has equal chance of losing and winning in this gambling as much as Watto is.
Think about it: Vader was a puppet from his first pod race.
6:41 exactly the kid never ventured out anywhere else for most of his live and suddenly have all these are thrown at him what do you expect? Actually Anakin is handling it quite good considering the circumstances
Imagine *if* the Jedi were like back in the days of Nomi Sunrider, Revan, or the Exile. As in not detached from emotions completely like they were by the time they came across Anakin. Heck, imagine *if* they were like Qui Gon or Kanan, then the whole Anakin becoming Vader could’ve been avoided.
@whitewolf3051
That’s what Luke’s Jedi Order did in legends. That’s why it frustrates me so much that Disney has him repeatedly all of the stupidity of the prequel Jedi even though he knew from personal experience that familial attachments are more likely to do good than harm. After all, it was his love for his father that led him to try to redeem Vader, and Vader’s love for his son that caused him to change.
Heck, even in the sequels, it was Luke’s lack of love for Kylo Ren that drove him to the dark side and Kylo’s love for Rey that redeemed him. Literally the only time love caused someone to fall was Anakin, who was being manipulated by a Sith Lord and brushed off by the Jedi. When Anakin needed help, Yoda offered philosophical platitudes; Palpatine offered a solution (it was a lie, but still).
@@erickpoorbaugh6728Luke's order didn't allow attachments per se. He allowed romantic relationships, so long as they were based on unconditional acceptance.
Generations tech, Anakin, Skywalker’s potential and connection to the force was not affected or diminished by the loss of his right arm or the age he was found, and trained in fact, if he never turn to the dark side, he would have reached his full potential and fulfill the prophecy of a chosen one destined to bring balance to the force, confirmed, and stated by George Lucas himself
George did state that losing so much of his body as Vader did impact his connection to the Force and abilities. I just thought that was good to add in there. But yeah, George said Anakin would have reached his full potential. And in the current modern canon, he has since he passed away and is some kind of Mortis-level spirit now
@@grawman67 so yes, I was right Anakin Skywalker‘s connection and potential in the force was not diminished or affected by the loss of his right arm, that he lost to count Dooku or the age he was found and trained everything I said it was correct and right besides, you know how powerful Anakin Skywalker was before he turned to the Darkside Darth Vader and yeah the rest you know
@@user-yc9vv9xb8s I was agreeing with you the whole time. I just think it's fascinating how his potential was hindered in George's canon. In modern canon, it was a set back but didn't decrease his abilities or potential besides making him unable to use Force Lightning.
But yes, the age he was trained at and losing his right hand didn't impact his abilities or potential at all.
@@grawman67 thank you man also, one last thing you can agree with me on this that I confirmed Anakin Skywalker will always and forever have the highest and unique midi-chlorian count ever recorded in Star Wars history because you know Anakin’s birth everything of him you know I know so that needs no introduction and it was confirmed and stated by George Lucas himself
@@user-yc9vv9xb8sThe thing about George Lucas is that he contradicts himself all the time as well as changes his mind constantly.
Like with Maul or his comments about Boba Fett.
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Regardless of whether you go with the pre-Disney Star Wars Legends or the newer Disney Canon, the same problem for Anakin in respect to the Jedi Order and his place within it remains: Anakin Skywalker, for the purpose of entering the Jedi Order, was born not only in the wrong century but the wrong millennia and era altogether. Had Anakin been born a thousand years prior, or in some of the other earlier eras of the Jedi Order-especially the more war-torn periods where the Jedi Order would by necessity be more militant-Anakin probably would have fit in far better, been received better and had a Jedi Order both more willing and more able to handle him and his needs-at least by comparison, anyways. Given how in many ways Anakin Skywalker seemed to thrive in the Clone Wars and the environment it provided, where he became this big war hero known as the "Hero With No Fear", no doubt he would have been right at home during the New Sith Wars from 2000 BBY to 1000 BBY, or even one of the other major periods of Jedi-Sith conflict like during the Great Galactic War. If nothing else, Anakin Skywalker surely would have been given more respect in one of these prior eras. Sadly Anakin was born in the wrong era and joined the wrong version of the Jedi Order, one that he just didn't fit into and was not equipped to handle someone like him, and we all saw how that ended.
Say Generation Tech, how about a theory video on what training was like for the Clone Troopers? Basically, the video compares the similarities and differences between training under Jango Fett and Shaak Ti. I always feel that Fett would be a cold teacher to the Clones, focusing most of his time with Boba. He probably wouldn’t think twice about instructors naming some clones, but he also wouldn’t do much to make their lives better. Something like a hands-off approach maybe. Meanwhile under Shaak Ti, I can imagine a lot of restraint being placed on what the Kaminoans can do to discipline the clone cadets that step out of line and an unofficial encouragement to instructors to make things better for the clones by Shaak Ti. Actually, now that makes me think of two other video topics. One is why was Shaak Ti chosen out of all the Jedi to train the clones? And the other is who would win in a duel, Shaak Ti or Jango Fett?
I blame Yoda, and Mace Windu for what happened later to Anakin ... they treated little Anakin like shit !!! You are right Allan, he was a Ten year old boy who needed warm companionship not
a friken interrogation by the dick-heads Yoda and Mace Windu ... when Anakin said he was cold, they should have brought him a friken Jacket !!! they were Prick-Dicks to Anakin, I am glad
someone brought this to light !!!
Well I got the impression that he was already disturbed way before he got to the Academy and the same for his grandson Kylo Ren
Attachment is a path to the dark side, including the Jedi's attachment to the Jedi Order.
Qui-Gon should have left the order when they refused Anakin and he would still be alive to train him, Anakin would have not been so easy to manipulate with the force with Qui by his side.
Anakin should have left the order with Ashoka, I think he would have had the sense to listen to Maul and would have warned Yoda, it may not have made a difference in the downfall of the Republic but he would have had Yoda, Ashoka, Obi, Qui and potentially Maul by his side to fight the Empire.
This is prime example of why you are the best star wars you tuber. Thank you
Obiwan was set up to fail, he didn't have the chance to come into his own before he became a Jedi master to a student, he had Yoda train Luke instead of Leia in order to prove a point
Never thought about it before, but it may be noteworthy that most of the jedi we see that survive order 66 are what you could call...non standard?
Pretty much everyone i can think of had some major difference from the standard temple doctrine.
I really appreciate your perspective on Star Wars my friend... Keep up the good work 🤘
If the OT hadn't come first, I think the prequels would have played out radically different, such as the order succumbing to Palpatine's manipulations and turning to the dark side, while Anakin and those closest to him take a more practical approach to the Jedi teachings, and as a result, move closer to the light.
Going further down this rabbit hole, Padme is either murdered or persuaded by Palpatine, and Luke and Leia are raised as his proteges, with Luke being something akin to Lord Starkiller who is conditioned to hunt down and destroy Anakin in a complete role reversal.
I’ve been waiting for this
13:02 'Be mindful of your thoughts Anakin theyd betray you ' Oh indeed Obi Wan, oh indeed
Like for example, Anakin's thought of sharing with his dear and trusted Master with such private and personal revelation, opening himself just to be punished for his trust on his Master.
Lesson Learned Obi Wan, never reveal your inner thoughts to the Jedi, be secretive and never trust the supposed 'Good Guys'
Great breakdown and explanation.
In hindsight, the Taris Jedi foresaw their attack on their Padawans, a Padawan escaping, and galactic devastation. If anything, it was very stupid for them to leap to the conclusion they did. And wasn’t the escapee a major part of defeating the Mandalorians later?
always found it ironic that the jedi preach about fearing fear when you should do the exact opposite. the jedi were in the end ,just being ruled by fear in the end and they got destroyed for it.
Your videos are very interesting you have a lot of knowledge about Star Wars
Also, one last thing generations tech Anakin Skywalker will always and forever have the highest and unique midi-chlorian count ever in Star Wars, history confirmed, and stated by George Lucas himself because the rest you know, and I don’t need to tell you thank you
No one cares about those. He's half robot
Yeah, because George doesn't like his characters being upstaged by others.
Which is why we have Dark Empire Palpatine and his million-and-one powers he has that could have won him the Galaxy at any time but somehow forgot he had for some reason.
It's also known as the Krillin problem.
@@Planag7 not Vader I mean anakin Skywalker
@@Lobsterwithinternetpower creep is a pain
@@ttry1152 Quite.
Especially when you're having to write a story that’s following up something like the Original Trilogy and you need to attract that audience to make your book profitable.
Happy Halloween 🎃 excellent video 😊
I know I have said this before. I still think it is worth talking about. There were some very real legal restrictions that would have made the Jedi freeing Shmi difficult, maybe impossible. There was one who could have done something without any problems. Queen Padme. She saw what Anakin's mother was going through. Naboo really had a debt to Anakin. She could have sent an envoy to Watto and bought Shmi. I mean, petty cash could have taken care of it. Watts would have become rich, and a free Shmi could have been taken to Naboo and given a job where she would have been well paid.
Well, apparently in some other sources, Qui-Gonn managed to set somethingin motion leading to Owen Lars being able to buy Shmi and free her before he died, which makes some sense as more-discreet (And less of an intervention by Republic officials in Hutt-controlled space. ) In that scenario, Anakin never finding *out* about it made it still-a-problem.
In one of the novels, Padme did try. She was in her official capacity as queen, so she was forced to use one of her handmaidens to do the leg work. However, handmaiden's mission was to free slaves, with an emphasis of trying to free Shmi also. The handmaiden's efforts were handicapped by lack of knowledge of Tatooine's politics (leading her to talk with the wrong people) and over paying the market value of slaves (diminishing her resources and lowering her effectiveness). When it was all said and done, at the end of Padme's queenship, only a couple transports of slaves were freed, and Padme's handmaid had no credibility with the anti-Hutt factions and Tatooine.
The intent was there, and meant well. But I think Padme would have been better off offering Watto a couple of brand new N-1 starfighters in straight trade for Shmi. Not as glamorous as freeing all slaves, but at least effective for Shmi.
Could just do a night time undercover mission, thus came thus gone, simply vanish doesnt have to be more complicated than that.
Anakin's mom was a slave, slaves have no value to slavers theyre a replaceable workforce, it's not like they're going to send anyone to look for her.
The real issue is the Jedi's fall into dogmatism, the Jedi order was meant to be perceiving where things we're out of balance, letting someone lose their life in the most meaningless way possible which is the life of slave because they can't do anything due to ''certain laws'' is out of balance, governments are not representatives of the Force, they represent their own interests.
But the Jedi completely forgot this and they started to uphold the law more than the ways of the Force.
Shmi should of been saved.
@generationtech Hey Allen, great video as always. Just wondering what the name of the first background song used in your video is? Thanks for the great content and for the regular uploads!
For all the Jedi’s talk about how a Jedi must not form attachments they were *very* attached to their own code which helped blind them.
To be fair to the Jedi, they were having a really bad week when Anakin showed up. A simple trade dispute led to the invasion of a major planet and the fall of a galactic government. Then out of nowhere suddenly the Sith are not only back and they’re on the attack. It’s possible they gave Anakin the emotions test to keep from reading each other’s emotions.
If Qui Gon had just stuck to his mission, got Padme to where she was going and left the grumpy orphan on Tatooine fixing shit and pod-racing, none of this would have happened.
Ironically, Luke Skywalker’s early life would have been exactly the same.
One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it." -Master Oogway
So the Sith understand puberty...impressive...very impressive...
3:24 The Vision is saying, if you continue the action you are going to most likely do, "This will happen".
The underlying lesson is___________________ so you can see from a diffrent angle.
The real problem was how Lucas treated his upbringing. There are so many horrible things that happened to him that were totally unnecessary.
And the idea that a Jedi CAN just leave the order would have been perfect for him. Leave the order and go public with Padme
Always down to watch a video about how the Jedi were incompetent.
Society on Earth 🌍 really screwed Jake Lloyd 😐
I never will understand the hate for some of these actors in Star Wars, especially Jake Lloyd. He's a kid, playing a kid who later turns into Darth Vader, and George Lucas writes really clunky dialog. He's not going to be perfect.
No child deserves that level of hate.
Screwed Jake Lloyd, society did. 🤨😡
@@notreallymyname3736 Neither do I. It's not his fault that he had clunky dialogue to work with.
@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 exactly. On top of that, I think he actually did a really good job. I remember people complaining and saying stuff like, "That's hard to believe he's Darth Vader". Really? He's not Vader yet: he's a second grader! I was around his age at the time, and I thought his performance was relatable and believeable. Episode 1 Anakin was at the age where he wants to do fun stuff, not force choke random subordinates and maliciously blow up planets.
I think in a way, Anakin turning on the Jedi and betraying them by killing them and then being redeemed by his son to kill Palpatine was something unavoidable in the end as it pretty much confirms that the Jedi Order was never going to change. The way the Jedi operated outcasted a lot of potentially great force users that could never belong because of the conditions in which they were born, which that mindset under the Jedi Order contradicts the freedom of the force and how it is a living thing that flows through all beings and does not discriminate and does not pick favorites. Anakin as the chosen one was the creation through the force that was meant to end the ways of the Jedi Order and create a New Jedi Order that invites all manner of people to come learn the ways of the force and do not follow the same beliefs that led the Jedi to their downfall. Anakin was so powerful so that he could effectively destroy the Jedi when the time came, and under the conditions he was born, it set the seed for eventual betrayal as Anakin was born as someone special but ultimate unworthy to train according to the unwavering code of the Jedi Order. It was never about "full potential", but the creation of one who will eventually bring about change and with the necessary tools to do so, that is what made Anakin the chosen one. As the creation of the force, he was chosen for this task. With Anakin's birth came the need for change, and with that change came a lesson that only Anakin could teach with decades and decades of time. Anakin was not the greatest Jedi, but he really was the greatest force user in the galaxy.
Anakin and Ahsoka in the end were no Jedi
This is why I don't like that the Jedi of this time are considered to be the best in their combat abilities or wisdom or empathy
THEY TOTALLY SCREWED THEMSELVES AND THE THOUSAND-YEARS REPUBLIC HAD TO PAY THE PRICE, Palpatine didn't even have to do much to screw the Order, he just have to focus on blindsiding the Order via the Republic and embracing Anakin as his son.
I refuse to believe that Yoda, Windu, or Plo Koon are wiser than Revan, Kreia, or even FUCKING Rey because none of them would mishandle Anakin this bad.
"Eh, sad but true." - Prince Naveen
A farfetched claim yet I cannot deny its plausability (Karax)
Why did the jedi order see "balance to the force" even as a good thing, while they were in power
Probably because they saw it as the total destruction of the Dark Side.
That's an interesting question!
No. I can't blame Anakin for his fall. I feel that because they refused to meet him halfway and if they'd accepted he was different, and a former slave, the Jedi Order signed their own death warrants, and because none of them trusted him, what do they expect? But what I dislike the most is they blame him for everything.
Yeah I hated the Order in the Prequels. They expected everyone to be just like them at the point they snatch someone into the Order.
And THEN proceed to do everything in their power to crush any agency and free will out of them in a desperate attempt to turn them into loyal drones who obey the whims of a Republic choking to death on its own corruption and not wise warriors in balance with the Force
Jedi; those scamps!
You’re right and that why it’s a tragedy. With the order gone and Luke’s attempt to resurrect it failed, I wonder what happens moving forward with Rey in terms of the Jedi Order
I was hoping more ashoka and ezra
@@ttry1152 Why? Ezra’s not going to have much impact on the sequel trilogy so whatever happens won't affect the Galaxy as a whole. And Ahsoka’s stuck in another galaxy with Sabine.
@@Lobsterwithinternet i mean they are the two jedi who have seen more than most the true nature of the force. (Ashoka on mortis and the world between worlds), (ezra world between worlds and ancient jedi temples)
Nothing its a dead branch legends was smarter
@@ttry1152 And yet had no impact on the galaxy at all since they're not mentioned or even acknowledged in the Sequel Trilogy.
Is like the old mythology. Everytime that someone knows a profecy and tries to control it always ends in tradegy for him. The Jedis played almighty and payed the consequences. I will quote one of the last phrases of the 12th Doctor Who: always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind. If the Order would have been kind to him Palpatine wouln't had the chance to manipulate Anakin. The Chose One was destined to bring the darknes, but that didn't meant the end or the Jedi Order.
To be fair of the first example, it sounds like they did take immediate action but you can’t save a planet you don’t know the location of.
Ive pretty much always blamed the Jedi for Anakin's, and other Jedi falling to the dark side. They way the Jedi "raise" children does not support healthy emotional awareness.
I'd definitely be interested to see an alternative timeline trilogy where instead of dying, Qui Gon survived, but Obi Wan possibly died or was gravely injured. And maybe how that would affect the future trilogies as well.
I am super curious about two things related to Anakin.
1. Who the fuck was Shmi Skywalker? She is literally the beginning of the Skywalker name and bloodline as we know it. How and why did she become the mother of "the chosen one"? Was she Force sensitive? Why did Palpatine/The Foce (depending on how you think Anakin was created) choose her as the host for his Force baby? What's with the name Skywalker?
2. What was the actual prophecy regarding "the chosen one"? Where did it come from? What did it say? Yoda alludes to the Jedi not understanding what the prophecy meant or mistranslating it somehow, essentially suggesting that "the chosen one" wasn't coming to help the Jedi "win." What did the prophecy say?
It might have been said on this channel b4 idk, I think they, the Jedi, PURPOSELY left and wouldn't return for Anakins mother for the exact reason said here. They feared his attachment so they just left the woman on Tatooine.
he was supposed to bring balance to the force
he did exactly that
Despite the Jedi council's s awareness of Anakin's attachment to both his mother and Padme, (well, at least Obi Wan knew the latter), they chose to send him on a mission to protect Padme. Yep, 2 hormonal teenagers off alone... Good move, Jedi council. That's definitely gonna keep Anakin's passions in check....
Padme was actually 24 by that point.
So the order dont want to train him because he has fear of losing his mother and Yoda goes on his little rant about what fear leads to, but then what did the council feel about him to make this decision? FEAR, they feared him, now what was it you just said about fear Yoda? oh right, such hypocrites!
Well, they filled his head with being this major savior but they never showed him more restrain.
What they should have done is give him his due as the chosen one.
"Your thoughts dwell on your mother." "My thoughts dwell on YOUR mother."
Yeah, no shit. Hellen Keller with her hands chopped off could see how much the Jedi fucked up Anakin, that's how bad their treatment of him was. Hell Obi-Wan was one of maybe THREE Jedi who treated Anakin like a decent human being, those being Plo-Koon and Shaak Ti.
Yeah you can’t really blame Anakin for turning to the dark side in this era of the Jedi due to how far removed from the force they truly was.
If they toke premonition warnings more serious & put more time into skywalker as a collective unit then things could have turned out a lot better ✅.
I mean what's the worse that can happen, they train this kid whose going to become more powerful than any of them, and he grows up to help overthrow The Republic and become a Dark Lord of the Sith or something?!
The Jedi were right to treat him like any other padawan when he was younger. The issue is when the time comes for him to get a master and also how they taught him to essentially invalidate his own feels. As the chosen one he is not just a tool of the light and will have tendencies to show deep and complex emotions something that most Jedi masters… including obi wan. Now obi wan is a great Jedi he is not a free thinker like qui-gon or dooku or even plo koon. I think the best case would be plo koon. Now obi wan definitely taught anikan a lot especially when it comes to combat… but plo koon was an excellent swordsman as well not only that he was one of the most powerful Jedi. But he was also a Jedi with deep conviction to the will of the force itself not the Jedi council. He is part reason Ashoka was so loving twards people and even grew attachments. Pairing the chosen one with such a strict and by the rules Jedi ruined the true potential of the chosen one in my opinion. Plo should have been his master. I’m not saying obiwan was bad at all he just is completely different from anikan
Ashoka is so loving towards people and even grew attachments, and she was successful, because of Anakin. Anakin was like Luke.
Anakin was intense, reckless, sometimes brutal. But he also cared extremely about her, he supported her blindly, he trusted her blindly. Anakin let Ahsoka grow and learn through her own weaknesses, through her own mistakes, her own failures. And when Ahsoka needed him he was there, supporting her, trusting her with her own life if necessary.
Something that could be irresponsible with a teenager, but Ahsoka had the discipline of the order, even from Obi Wan, and Anakin also had that competitive nature that pushed Ahsoka to overcome her limitations.
This is what Anakin never had, it was always the big picture, the dogma, the creed, the rules, the order, the council. And the fear of Anakin's full potential.
It was not only the loss of his mother, it was also that they did not let him face the grief, the loss. It was always the dogma, repress emotions, not face them. The Jedi Order was a bunch of fundemantalists.
Thanks to you I'm listening to the thrawn trilogy
“You’re afraid for your mother.”
“Of course, she’s a slave on a crime-ridden backwater.”
“You know what needs to be done about that?”
“You could buy her freedom and bring her someplace safe.”
“No, you, a 10-year-old child, need to stop caring about your mother.”
“I think freeing her would be simpler, as well as more benevolent.”
“None of us care about our mothers.”
“None of you even really know your mothers. You have zero frame of reference for what a familial relationship is like.”
“Yes, and neither should you. After all, the best way to care for the galaxy is to make sure you never truly care about any of the people who are part of the galaxy.”
Anakin: well this sucks... you know what, I'm going to start my *own* Order and THEY won't be a bunch of (speaks Huttese)!
Was it the jedi order, or yoda’s order
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Welp oof to Anakin... At least we got a nice story. XD
My whole thing is the Jedi are stupid, now if they fully rejected him and casted him out and a sith came across him, now you have one hell of a problem on your hand that none of you can deal with.