5 Ways The Jedi BETRAYED Anakin and Justified His Actions
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- We take a look at whether the Jedi were responsible for pushing Anakin Skywalker towards the dark side.
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Anakin: is the chosen one
The Jedi order: alright guys lets treat him like total shit and lie to his face
He wasn’t trusted.... they’ve said it many times he didn’t follow rules
Neither did mace windu
Then, he shouldn't have even been assigned Ahsoka.
@@LowkeyUzi2614
They treated Ashoka the same way too and after the bombing case they were like "we weren't blind as hell, it's all the will of the force, not out fault that we almost executed you for something you didn't do".
Mirza Hamza Baig I’ve heard they thought she did it ( I didn’t Watch clone wars I really need to though) I got Disney+ so I might
Anakin: I have a lot of unresolved problem and trauma, and also, can we go back and save my mother?
The Jedi council: no, but here's a cool glowstick.
Try cracking it
Lol a DEATH stick
yeah thats fucked up he shoulda went back for his mother as soon as he was able to,and fuck what the counsel says,
just deal with Jedi after you save her what ever the concequences,and any concequence is worth saving your mother.even if disbandment from the order,fuck them is what I would say right to thier faces
@@danielpaquet3963 he didnt try saving his mother before then because not only was he by obi wan side the entire time up to the attack of the clone movie. But also even if he went back to the desert planet Shmi still has the slave bomb chip in her and if she tried to escape with anakin she would of been killed when they set it off.
@@dragonhatcher12 not if you kill the people who can set it off,as for Obi wan,all he do to stop him is threaten his expulsion from the order,annikan coulda left.hes no some kinda slave to obi wan or the Jedi.
Anakin: saves the entire republic
Jedi council: fine, you’re promoted to knight.
Anakin: saves the republic several times
Jedi council: no, you can’t be master
Anakin: fully trains Asoka
Jedi council: no, you can’t be master
Anakin: gets appointed to the council
Rest of the council: no, you can’t be master
Anakin: falls to the dark side and kills most of the Jedi
Remaining Jedi: he was never a true Jedi, we saw it coming all along, it’s all because he had a crush on a senator
they said he needed to bring balance to the force though...balance means that he has to clean the house with both jedi and sith.
maybe they understood he was here to balance the force, he was not their friend but their eventual destruction.
I think anakin was meant to learn from both light and dark, kinda like yin-yang and destroy both jedi and sith and show the true way of the force, with both light and dark at your side in balance.
@@jorgenitales412 didn’t Yoda say they could have misread the prophecy of the chosen one? Interesting point
Someone is not fully trained if they are not a knight
@@deathsticks1776 yep, Anakin wasn't meant to destroy the Sith as Yoda and Obi thought. He was meant to destroy the Jedi
@@jorgenitales412 They thought he was going to destroy the Sith, they had no reason to treat him the way they did. And even if they did have a suspicion of his downfall, this doesn’t mean that the Jedi council are absolved from blame. The Jedi council poked, prodded, ridiculed, and pushed Anakin to hating the Jedi Order. When the time came for him to choose a side, who can really blame him for choosing the side that promised him a way to save his wife?
Darth Sideous hardly even had to do anything, he was just widening cracks that were already there. War aside, most of the conflict comes from the Jedi Order’s general incompetence.
You know what's ironic? If Ahsoka had chosen to stay and recieved her promotion to Jedi Knight, then Anakin would have been promoted to Jedi Master for successfully training a Padawan to Knighthood along with his many heroic deeds during the Clone Wars and his mastery of Djem So. Ahsoka's choice to leave played a far larger role in Anakin's fall than originally believed.
Yes and the Jedi are wrong maybe Anakin should have just left with Ashoka and lived with Both Padme and Ashoka while discovering the secrets of the force pretry cool huh
@@acegabrielcruz3687 that is a cool alternate universe...
I don’t think Anakin deserved master
@@samisikdar5417 that’s outrageous, it’s unfair!
@@samisikdar5417 He did a hell of a job training Ahsoka. She was practically a Knight in all but name.
*The Jedi Council when they accuse Ahsoka of a crime she didn't commit:* I've connected the two dots.
*Anakin Skywalker:* you didn't connect shit.
*The Jedi Council:* I've connected them.
Solid buzzfeed unsolved reference 😂
Ribotto Studios yep...accusing her of the crime she didn’t commit was the STUPIDEST THING the council has done.
@@alexander.tahtadjian not even that since the whole force choke thing DID look sketch but like....Obi-Wan, Yoda.....they couldn't just like look into her mind to see she hadn't done it? My GOD just stupid. And then MACE WINDU had to OPEN HIS DAMN MOUTH and be like "hur hur this was a trial you passed girl." nah nah nah. I'd be OUT.
The whole entire mess with ashoka proved just how curropt the rebuplic truly was
LOL
I'll never get over how Anakin was denied the rank of master even though he pretty much carried the Republic through the Clone Wars, but the traitor Krell was a master.
i think The council was scared that Anakin would give too much information to palpatine
I think Mace was jealous
They were blinded by their arrogance. Look at their initial reaction to Dooku's political maneuvers right before the outbreak of the war. They regarded him as a political idealist, incapable of initiating violence or conflict.
Most Jedi become masters after training a padawan. The Jedi order expelled his padawan without due process.
Why is everyone saying that it wasn’t the right move? It clearly was the right move this guy would go and start killing kids you think he’s fit to be a master? Just because he had a sad life doesn’t mean anakin/Vader isn’t evil. He killed all those little kids and all the Jedi just for his wife. No matter how you slice it it’s stupid and anakin is a dumb ass.
That’s why I love Qui-Gon. He was a true Jedi. He was so unconventional and I love it.
"a true Jedi"
*LSWTCS Intensifies*
A true Grey Jedi!
*lego star wars intensifies*
Absolutely, him an Ashoka truly represented the light side of the force without trying to convolute it with petty politics. Having emotions for those you care for shouldn’t be completely considered dark side.
@@themightysangheili8641 The "penetrate" part just sounded wrong in a way.
"they needed him more than he needed them" hell, this is so true...
We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done
@@fatimacarrano934 well it's still possible but time is running out if they want to do live action younger Anakin stories with him because he's now 40. Otherwise it's force ghost or nothing at all. I really wish Disney would try what if scenarios for tv show series. It would be great if that was an option also. It would be amazing but most likely it'll always just be a dream or fan made films.
You'd think someone who is claimed to be "The Chosen One" would get better treatment.
Yeah. It is pretty weird that the Jedi are surprised by Anakin's entitled attitude, when they were the ones who identified him as the Chosen One in the first place. Not to mention, Anakin was 9 years old when he was given this information. How did they think he was going to react to it? Plus, if they really cared about keeping the Chosen One on their side, they would have done everything to keep him emotionally stable, rather than mold him into their ideal Jedi. For example, they could have freed his mother from slavery and let her live in the Jedi temple. That would have given Anakin some emotional stability, making him less vulnerable to Palpatine's manipulation.
The Jedi order had no sense of humanity when his only friend Ashoka left mace said this is a trial and didn't even apologize
Aiman Mohammed Yeah. They didn’t take responsibility for their actions.
@@speedracer2008 true
@@speedracer2008 they are light Sith not Jedi when Palpatine said the the Jedi and Sith are similar he admitted that he made up a scam Jedi order in coruscant why there cause he owns the place cause old Ben Kenobi said alderaan not corusant this might prove the real Jedi originated there conspiracy theory the Jedi in the prequels are clones,orphans,delinquents or vagrants or runaway slaves that's why they act so criminal like also don't care about the slaves or anyone who needs help that might be reason they are like that
Finally! Somebody sees that the Jedi are bullies, especially when they have the high ground.
They're as bad as the sith, but in different ways.
Saddley I can agree they didnt trust me I bit and were about to falsely accuse me of murder!
@Ill lLlLl no u
@Ill lLlLl nah
Wait so you’re saying from your point of view the Jedi are evil?
Jedi Council: emotionally neglect Anakin, disrespect and mistrust him at every opportunity, throw his padawan under the bus and act like they did nothing wrong
Anakin: turns to the dark side
Jedi Council: oh no how could this happen
Anakin: laugh maniacally like Baxter stockman from tmnt 2012 and staying i full on mega crazy
In my head, I usually think of the movies as “Star Wars: The Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker”
We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done
Well, that's what it's supposed to be. Sequel trilogy aside, the first 6 episodes were really about the story of anakin, a renowned jedi in strategy, war, and piloting-charming and witty, becoming a planet wiping murderer.
@@fatimacarrano934I got some fantastic news for ya, your wish is true!!!!
I think of starwars as the chad obi wans adventure
Have you heard the Tragedy of Darth Vader the Chosen One?
Also don’t forget when Obi-Wan faked his death and didn’t tell Anakin. Anakin was heart broken only to find out it was all a lie.
Steve B true. I totally forgot
Yes!! Obi Wan completely lost Anakin's trust with that one
Clone wars
Obi-Wan was horrible to lie to Anakin like that
I think he didn‘t like lying to Anakin, but since he has always followed the rules and wishes of the council he couldn’t really stand up to them. During the Ahsoka trail or the Misson for anakin to spy on Palpatine Obi-wan was secretly on anakins side but was used to following the Councils orders and responsibilities and didnt think it would bring much to go against Yoda or Windu
To be fair, Qui-gonn probably WOULD have gone back for Anakin's mother after the events on Naboo and there was time to focus on that, but Maul killed him.
This. I can't imagine Qui-Gon being the type of Jedi to leave Anakin's mother behind especially since he's already a jedi that's more like what a jedi's suppose to be.
This?
Brad Roberts the fact that he did not, is proof that Obi-Wan was an asshole
@@gabrielrobles5288 Nah he wasn't an asshole, he was just too much like the other Jedi, as in he obeyed orders. If he was more like Qui-Gon things might have turned out different.
@Brad Roberts Exactly. Obi-Wan was too concerned about his standing in the order to take that step. The only credit I'll give Obi-Wan is that he knew about Padme and allowed it to continue.
Honestly, them not freeing Anakin's mother actually made me kind of depressed. There were so many other ways to solve that situation. They could have just freed her and left her. The jedi are a lot more corrupt and callous than the original trilogy left us to believe. But even there you can kind of see the roots of the callousness. Their fear of the dark side made them to cowardly to honor their feelings.
I remember a phrase a member of a group of Sith said way before the Clone Wars. They basically said, "We're better than the Jedi because we're not afraid to feel".
@@DoctorWhoKage Darth Plagueis said that, but the sith are equally flawled
They are the other extreme side of the coin, not only they feel but let their emotions consume them entirety, witch only ends in tragedy
@@guifdcanalli which means that there needs to be an order with *true* balance. Not just orders that are basically one extreme over the other. I wish there was a Gray Jedi Order...
@@DoctorWhoKage in EU the Jedhai were the true masters of the force, but the order went into a civil war and the dark side teachings were banned when they were reorganized into the jedi
@@guifdcanalli well, *that's* unfortunate. But, still, I'd say that we need a Gray Jedi Order.
One of Luke’s teachings in his new Jedi order, in Legends, was for his students to embrace empathy and emotion, but follow the will of the force. Much different from the old Jedi council, which basically said: “bottle up your emotions until you eventually boil over and go down the path of a Sith”. Bottling up your emotions or not acknowledging them can be just as harmful as using hate and rage.
Why didn’t Yoda or any of the Jedi in the previous Jedi Order ever try to change their ways, and make it more like Luke’s New Jedi Order? Why didn’t they ever protest against the rampant corruption in the Republic they were serving? Why didn’t they just follow the will of the force the way that Qui Gon did?
It's pretty complicated issues. Emotions and attachments can lead to dark side (and Jedi have some bad experience with their members turning to dark side). There is their philosophy, when they see themselves as extension of force, that follows it's will. (Basically tools). Also, (if I remember right) some light side abilities needs its user to be calm (so they are harder to use in battle) so not letting emotions get in way of your calmness is necessity and they could (mis) interpret it as Force being against emotions. There is probably more, but this is what I can think about now.
Anyone with even a basic understanding of human psychology knows THAT.
You forgot how they basically told him "get over it" when he saw visions of his mother and Padme dying.
We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t happen
@Marcelo Gonzalez he destroyed the Jedi and Sith. That's bringing balance. Regardless of the methods.
@Marcelo Gonzalez ✅
@Marcelo Gonzalez if trained right & not failed, anakin would've been an even greater jedi. But he was the chosen one, perhaps he was meant to fail. he was to bring balance to the force. If the only way he can is by killing everyone & Palpatine then so be it. Even if he didn't know that's what he was doing at the time. He saved the universe duh
@Marcelo Gonzalez lmao that's why I said perhaps, like if that's how the cookie ends up crumbling that's how its done
Jedi: Only Siths deal in absolutes.
Also Jedi: All emotions and feelings are evil.
Jedi more view emotion as A thing that impairs critical thinking.
Skyler Allen
Yes but you cannot deny that, towards the end of the Jedi Order, they practically demonized all emotion. They went so far as to shame a young Anakin for missing his mother after leaving her, still enslaved, on Tatooine
@@primroseprom very true, it was there fear of losing anakin to the dark side that drove them to such drastic aversion. I feel that it is A good thing to control ones emotions when handling A power like the force but in their fear of the dark side they asked anakin to become something impossible.
@@primroseprom I think the Jedi order itself was lost in dogmatic thinking. Dooku was right and qui gon knew it deep down.
Skyler Allen
Definitely. The Jedi were at their height when they embraced both the light and dark side of the force.
"The broken, the beaten, and the damned"
Me for no reason: *pauses the video* *takes a deep breath* SO CARRYYY ONNNNNN
And his next line: but that's just MY own ROMANTIC feeling
Great that someone thought the same thing!!
The irony is that the one emotion Jedi refused to accept was the one that redeemed Anakin in the end, that being love for his son.
Ironic
Not really. It both condemned him and redeemed him. Love ruined his life, then saved his spirit.
@@DiogoJ1 love doesn't condemn anyone. It was Palpatine who made Anakin go crazy for Padme, it was his plan all along.
@@usernotfound342 It just did with Anakin, when he took love too far. By priotizing Padme's live, he ironically ended up killing her and condemn himself to years of suffering, and self-loathing.
Palpatine is of course just as guilty, but Anakin could have handled his circunstances better if he just learned to control himself and actually didn't take his vision for granted.
@@DiogoJ1 learn to control himself agains the most powerful sith manipulator?? Are you serious dude?
Anakin : I'm, the chosen one, I want to find a way to heal my wife.
Jedi : No, you are not a master so you can't access such powers.
Rey : Well I can heal now ,without any training
Garbage....just need a rainbow flag and you have all the powers of Disney!
Remember that part of Force useage is instinct. Rey being able to heal is the same as the Child from The Mandalorian, it's instinctual. Rey also had learned from the ancient Jedi texts, who knows what was in those books, she might have found out Force Healing from there.
@@danmenard6917 if she found the force heal from the ancient texts, then why was anakin not allowed to learn . Also if she now a descendent of plaps was able to learn it as guided by her instincts and do all those crazy stuffs, why couldn't anakin a literal force child do so,
@@abiyudtom1692 The ancient Jedi texts are from the first Jedi. Knowledge gets lost over time. The ability to heal with the Force is traditionally depicted as a selfless action, and we all know that Anakin was a very selfish and arrogant person, there's no way he'd be able to use the power.
Meh why even bother arguing over that, 7-9 should be tossed into trash where it belongs, there's no point defending a mary sue
Telling a young child, "I sense much fear in you." after he's been separated from his home and family. And despite their power, not lifting a finger to save his mother from slavery. Awful. Makes me want to become a Sith lord and destroy them. But that's just me.
While Anakin becoming a Sith Lord was excessive, his anger towards the Jedi had some justification. They constantly tried to mold him into one of them, when the reality was that he was different. He had already formed attachments and was very outspoken when it came to facing a problem, rather than contemplative and impartial, like the rest of the Council. They couldn’t accept him for who he was. Palpatine presented himself as a figure who accepted Anakin as he was, which made it all the more easier for him to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.
@@speedracer2008 Indeed. The council pretty much gift wrapped Anakin, with all his innate power, and handed him to Palpatine. Their so-called "wisdom" was highly overrated. They participated fully in their own demise through their callousness and arrogance.
Wahn Yoon yeah. Anakin is responsible for murdering the Jedi, but it was the Jedi Order trying to mold Anakin into what they wanted him to be, rather than accepting him for who he was, that caused him to turn against them in the first place.
@@speedracer2008 What Palpatine did to Anakin was pure selfishness, and only needed a puppet to regain his power. Nothing glorious about that. Sure the Jedis' had their weaknesses, which is why Qui Gon was so adamant about the Jedis' abuse of power, it does not justify what Anakin did to the younglings, or Palpatine using Anakin's skills for his own power grab. Palpatine is still the evil of the two. Which is why it took Luke to bring Anakin (Darth Vader) back to light, which in turn helped Anakin destroy the Sith. So your argument of the Jedis' "molding" Anakin to what they wanted, is actually what Palpatine succeeded in doing. Anakin had too much anger inside him, which is why the Jedis' first refused to train him. Anakin was brainwashed by Palpatine.
@@StephenDanielLopez well cause the Jedi were not guardians of peace and justice that's why he had too much anger in him Palpatine expected that brainwash the Jedi to let him train him himself without them knowing mind control
Man, the look on Anakin's face when Ahsoka leaves.
Gutted. As we all were
surprised he didn't turn right then....he was so pissed...as was I....
That might have been the point of no return for Anakin. By the time the Battle of Coruscant happened, his faith in the Jedi Order was mostly gone. He still trusted Obi-Wan to a point, but not enough to tell him about his vision of Padme'.
@@Lennis01 This was a turning point for sure. Agreed.
Anakin was also mad they did not promote him to master because he was not allowed in the restricted area of the archives unless he was a master. He wanted access because he wanted to find a way to save Padme.
Was padme sick or something
@@dldl9869 no Anakin had a premonition she was going to die in child birth . He had the same time of premonitions when his mom died.
Yeah, because in the 1000 years that the Republic stood, the Jedi just happened to be sitting on the secret to immortality, but just never used it until Anakin wanted it.
@@MrZackavelli the book explains it a little more detail.
My severed head will be the villain of the next trilogy
Darth Tyrannus *Gasp* My lord! You’re alive!
Hahaha
@@marceline3986 Shut up
no ones ever really gone
hello there
You too who next is coming back jar jar
In plenty of ways, Anakin is a classic tragic hero. He had all of this power and capability to do almost whatever he wanted, he had to experience perhaps the one thing he could not change, he is subsequently terrified of what else he actually can't change, and he fell for an understandable - even relatable - reason when offered a potentially possible (albeit at least near-improbable) way out.
It's a lot like the tale of the green knight but unlike Gawain, Anakin doesn't get a second chance.
I think that sometimes we overlook the true tragedy of Amazon because we only view him as part of the prequels. The most insight to Anakin Skywalker is more embedded in the Clone Wars series of animation. IMHO the hardest blow to Snaking and a defining moment is when Ashoka Tano is blamed by the Jedi order for a crime she did not commit and her subsequent severing of her ties with the Jedi Order truly struck Anakin to his core , the seed of doubt taking firmer root in his mind. Ashoka meant so much to him and was essential to his development as a Jedi and his subsequent turn. I had always wondered why they did not give Anakin and Ashoka a chance at either a real relationship, or at least a deep friendship that gave Anakin a fighting chance to resist Palpatine's manipulation. And Lucas and now Disney cannot say it "couldn't happen" Think Legends and Darth Malgus and his Twilek lover. Same for Kanaan Jarrus and Hera. Ashoka would have been a phenomenal choice for Anakin as she is strong, intelligent and a great person all around. I personally wasn't happy with Padmae as she just was not a great fit and it's hard to explain.
Edit:Anakin in first paragraph. I hate Google!!
Deathstrike_YT I mean she was 14 and he was 19 at first so it’s a bit weird. Even if they grew up it’d be quite weird, like if a young teacher dated a student they taught from 14 years of age ahahahah
@@madmandelphamine9937 It would be the same age gap that already exists between Padme and Anskin. Just saying.
“When Qui Gon Jinn was penetrated by Darth Maul’s lightsaber.”
To quote Stirling Archer:
Phrasing.
Boom
Lol he knew what he was doing.
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@@DrsJacksonn Dude it's a joke.
So no mention of when the Jedi Council faked Kenobi's death and how Kenobi went with it in which they agreed to not let Anakin know until it was too late? That really got him badly as he felt they didn't trust him enough to let him in on it.
There's a fan fiction where Anakin cut off Obi Wan's leg and almost force chokes him to death.
I mean, it's a goddamn miracle that didn't happen in canon.
@@mechengr1731do you have the name of the fanfiction
@kellyann8440 sorry, I don't. It's been a while and I think it just popped up as a screenshot on Google images
@@mechengr1731 And fanfiction isn't even canon. I love obi wan but he did screw anakin somewhat over
The Jedi had truly become blind to their own corruption and injustice. Therefore The Force had to bring balance to itself - it’s all the natural way the Force intended it to be perhaps.
Believe in the force more than anything else.
Actually exactly. If there is NO Sith anymore. and Anakin would bring balance to the force. It is fucking obvious that balancing the force is reducing number of Jedi . It is not a rocket science.
So basically Thanos is the Force.
@@earthsmortician5869 basicly Thanos is delusional psycho
“Only through the sacrifice of many Jedi will the sins of the order be cleansed...” -a prophecy from the canon novel Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray
"From my point of view the Younglings are evil!" - generation tech 2020
Brian Fernandez Lmfaoooo
Dead
No that would be the Dolphins.
Those younglings were just asking for it
@God King Vegeta yeah I think your right king Vegeta. That does make sense
I was thinking that the younglings Anakin killed really represented one of the double standards of the Jedi; by taking them away from their families they really brought them into a slavery of sorts, indoctrinated and enslaved to a moral code that isn't even fully understood by some of its masters.
It doesn’t mean that murdering the kids was *okay* at all. Not to mention the fact that it wasn’t just about the “greater good” of the galaxy at that point, but Padme, too.
Sure, he was told that, he convinced himself that, but in actuality, he was really just terrified. Anakin was a victim of abuse, conditioning/manipulation for subservience, oppression, and neglect with compromised agency his whole life, so I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s ALL his fault he ended up becoming Vader and remained that way for so many years.
He also was raised in an environment where the emotional/psychological well-being and lives of both children and adults were treated as expendable “for the greater good” of the Jedi Order and Republic, regardless of their guilt or innocence. Additionally, considering the fact that the clones had already been programmed to kill the Jedi by Palpatine and Yoda and the Council had already screwed themselves over by attempting to commit treason against the head or the Senate on suspicion of him being a Sith without the rest of the Senate chamber’s knowledge, no matter who Anakin chose in that moment in Revenge of the Sith between Palpatine and Mace Windu, the Jedi would still be going down either way.
It’s why I always find this fandom so hypocritical in regards to their thoughts on the morality of Anakin/Vader vs the Jedi adults of his time. Yeah, he committed more murder directly of innocents “for the greater good” than them, and the Empire/Sith technically were morally worse than the old Republic/Jedi Order. However, that whole “greater good” mantra for committing and/or enabling atrocities, murder, oppression, war crimes, and other human rights violations against anyone who got in the way of that, regardless of their guilt, innocence, age, creed, or race, is not something Anakin learned to do to be Darth Vader from JUST Sidious. It’s something he learned from Obi-Wan, Yoda, and his other superiors in the Jedi Order/Republic of his time, too.
Sure, they weren’t as bad as the Sith/Empire, but ultimately, the adults of the overall old Jedi/Republic had been doing the same thing that Anakin/Vader had finally learned to do by the end of Revenge of the Sith. They all learned to slap on that “greater good” mantra as a band-aid to make themselves feel better about enabling and perpetuating horrible crimes and injustices that they knew were wrong out of fear of the unknown, a desire to hold on to security, a desire to avoid abandonment, and a desire to avoid conflict.
The overall old Jedi Order and Republic had become too afraid to take a risk to do the right thing when all the odds seemed to be stacked against them. All the adults of the old Jedi Order/Republic became cowardly, in-denial, and selfish in their desperation and fear of the unknown. Anakin is the only one who gets any heat for it from most of this fandom because he became their enemy, though.
@@Schoolgirl325 Thanks for your well-thought-out and worded response. I agree, on the surface it seems like there's a clear difference between 'good and evil/right and wrong,' but a closer look at the "protagonists" and "antagonists" shows that such 'black and white' terms don't necessarily exist. Under either regime there were those who benefitted and those who suffered; neither stands as a perfect or complete system.
@@DJPach Yeah, there’s also the fact that Anakin Skywalker, at least in public, eventually learns to become much more like the Jedi of his time as Darth Vader after he gets put in that suit. In front of his enemies and his men, he becomes much more cold and emotionally detached as a weapon for Sidious and the Empire in service of their “greater good.” If he ever does show any sort of emotion in front of his enemies and/or men, it’s either anger, impatience, and/or hatred. He’s usually just being very apathetic about it, taking orders for Sidious, and serving their “greater good.” It’s this job that he hates, but convinced he has to do, both by Sidious and himself.
Ironically, it’s actually kind of like how Obi Wan, Mace Windu, and the Jedi adults of his time usually reacted when committing murder of their enemies in combat.
Little to no signs of hesitation or remorse, getting their job done quickly, don’t ask any questions about the motivations of potential enemies, threats or traitors, just kill them, justify it as “for the greater good,” and then move on. Yeah, occasionally, there would be some remorse and emotional compromise if they genuinely got attached to someone else, such as Obi Wan in regards to Qui Gonn and Anakin, and they weren’t going out of their way to murder anyone who refused to submit to their conquests like Sith,. However, the Jedi definitely didn’t have many problems with creating collateral damage for their “greater good,” and were way more okay with committing bloodshed than they should have been for “peacekeepers of the galaxy” whenever they deemed it necessary.
@@DJPach It’s also ironic that Yoda was like “fear leads to the dark side.” Yep, it sure does, but you can’t just avoid that fear altogether, deny it’s existence, and/or try to get rid of it by knowingly doing morally wrong things to try to achieve worthy ends more easily and quickly. That’s what happened with Anakin, the overall Republic government, and the overall Jedi Order of his time, too.
“Oh, we’re pro democracy and peace, except for when dealing with the outer rims, dangerous mission, or trying to avoid the dark side with our Jedi. Then, we conscript children to train them to be weapons for law enforcement, desensitize them to trauma and violence to be effective weapons, separate them from the outside world, forbid them from having close relationships and keeping in touch with their families, teach them that emotional expression, individuality, and personal freedoms are *wrong altogether,* get involved in war, pressure them into staying, and agree to use the clones as a slave army when asked by the Republic.
“Oh, we’re not here to free slaves, and we don’t usually take in older recruits because they’ve known non-institutional love, anger, fear, and personal interests, and desire, which is risky if we train them in our way. However, we’ll free this one older child slave to take in as a Jedi, and train him in the exact same way we always have before because we need this kid as a weapon for war against the Sith, but we’re too afraid to admit our way could be wrong and make reforms.
It’s kind of like with Anakin by the end of Revenge of the Sith. They wanted to have it both ways in the quickest and safest possible way, so they ended up becoming everything corrupt they set out to destroy to try to achieve that security in their fear and desperation under pressure because actually *doing* the right things by being honest, sticking up for themselves, and *pushing* for change would have been a lot riskier.
@@Schoolgirl325 Once again, thank you for your well-put-together statements concerning the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic. As I was reading there were parts where I wasn't sure if you were talking about the Star Wars universe or our own, lol. That is to say, that the events leading up to the Clone Wars, the Clone Wars themselves, and the transition to the Imperial Regime bear a striking resemblance to our own reality. That and the failings of the Jedi and Galactic Republic reflect the failings of institutions that are meant to uphold peace, freedom, and all that is good in our own world.
“And so when qui-gon jinn was penetrated by darth maul”
Ima just pretend I didn’t see that
Ima just pretend you didn’t write “death maul” 😂
Que the fanfictions.
"One often meets their destiny, on the road they take to prevent it." ~Master Oogway, Kung Fu Panda 2008
This quote pretty much sums up Anakins journey.
And the faith of the jedi at this time
*avoid it
But yes I thought of that quote too
Anakin: she’s innocent let me find evidence
Jedi Council: hah red lady go bye bye
Whis my apprentice you shall become
Foreseen it I have
Sith overlord Yoda hmm yes I can feel the dark side calling me
@@coolingindaboot6853 good this is
Give in to it you must
Fight your destiny you cannot
Rehehehehe
Yeesh that’s the funniest line u could come up with for the Jedi councils response
She Orange actually.
I always felt that if Anakin actually helped Mace Windu apprehend Darth Sidius after finding out he was also senator Palpatine they STILL wouldn’t promote him.
True. Because he still wouldn't be ready. As Obi-Wan tried to tell Anakin several times, being a Jedi master isn't just about power and lightsabers or being crazily skilled with the force. It isn't just a reward you get for doing something for the Order. Being a Jedi master is about being part of a greater whole. It is about achieving a higher spiritual state where you can let go of your fears and attachments to the material world.
Anakin, despite his skill with a lightsaber and his power with the force, was also full of fear and emotionally unstable. He most certainly was not yet ready to become a Jedi master.
To be fair, while Anakin was morally wrong to participate in Palpatine’s crimes against the Jedi Order, either way he chose in that pivotal moment of RotS, the Jedi Order was still going down, and not all because of him.
Yoda and Mace Windu had decided to commit treason against the Chancellor of the Senate and the rest of the Council followed their orders because they were too afraid to tell the Senate chamber that they suspected Palpatine was a Sith Lord.
Not to mention the fact that Palpatine and Dooku had already programmed all the chips of the clones to execute Order 66, anyway.
Either way he chose, the ultimate downfall and genocide of the Jedi Order and the Republic was going to happen in the prequels, and it wasn’t all because of Anakin. Even without him turning on the Order, or Palpatine at that point in Revenge of the Sith, the Jedi Order and Republic were going to go down at that point.
The Jedi Council, particularly Yoda, had already shot themselves in the foot by alternating between doing the biddings of a corrupt and hypocritical Republic when it benefitted them and keeping secrets from it altogether when dealing with the Sith.
They wanted to have it both ways in the safest possible way, and ended up destroying themselves and contributing to the destruction of the galaxy as a result.
Then, why have Anakin fall to the dark side at all? To connect back to his sacrifice in ROTJ of killing Palpatine to save Luke, and to explain why he had such a hard time believing he had or deserved a choice to do better under Palpatine as his attack dog/murder slave in the OT movies until Luke came along. I don’t think the point was that he should be wholly absolved for his crimes because we see that Anakin did have a conscience, a selfish side, and stop trying after going dark too until Luke came along. However, the prequels explain why he became Vader, explain why he learned to see himself as nothing but a compliant tool or weapon to abusive, corrupt, manipulative, and oppressive authority figures. They explain why he could learn to justify doing horrible things with that whole “greater good” mantra to compartmentalize his guilt in his fear and self-loathing under oppressive authority using him for their own ends when all the odds seemed to be against him.
“If what you say is true you’ll have earned my trust” BITCH what about everything he did so far?!?! I always hated Mace Windu, what a dick.
Windumb would have fallen to the Dark Side IMMEDIATELY after killing Palpatine.
Anakin: from my point of view the Jedi are evil!
Obi Wan: than you are-
The fans: no no, he's got a point
Obi-Wan was blind as fuck to the failings of the Jedi Council and how they failed Anakin quite completely.
@@DoctorWhoKage Perhaps. But slaughtering innocent children? Yeah that's on Anakin.
@@mylesblake2026 to be fair, that's also the Jedi's fault, too because once you become a Jedi, you're no longer a civilian. You're a soldier either on a religious purge of the Sith or a soldier seeking to help the commoners. So, while those children didn't know what they were signing up to, they are still expendable because they're child soldiers, now. In that respect, they signed away their lives the moment they became a Jedi. Considering the way that the ins and outs of the Jedi Order are framed, their lives are no more important than any regular IRL soldier. If they didn't want any kids killed by former members of the Order, then maybe, *just maybe* the Jedi should've reconsidered forcing force-sensitive children to sign up to be Jedi the moment they are born.
Although, I do admit that because he killed kids, Anakin's redemption is kinda...well, bullshit. Killing children is an irredeemable act and the fact that Luke redeemed him in spite of the fact that he killed children is downright disrespectful to the memory of those children, at best.
@@DoctorWhoKage I mean, this time period was when the Jedi needed the younglings the most.
Well, no one forced Anakin to go and kill younglings. He could've sparred them. And yes, those younglings were probably rolling in their graves when Anakin was redeemed. Assuming they received the honour of a burial.
@@mylesblake2026 there was a person forcing him to purge the Jedi Temple, though: Palpatine. And he already surrendered to being his Sith apprentice after he stopped Mace Windu from committing a war crime, essentially. What Mace was about to do is essentially the Star Wars equivalent of a US Army general assassinating the US president based on an unfounded accusation against said president. Anyway, I remember hearing in Cinemawins' video on Revenge of the Sith that he did it because Darth Sidious implied that Anakin had to do horrible things to gain dark side power (more than he already had, at least).
[After Anakin kills Count Dooku]
Palpatine (a Sith Lord): "You did well, Anakin. He was too dangerous to be kept alive."
Anakin: "...I shouldn't have done that, it's not the Jedi way."
[After Mace Windu defeats Palpatine]
Mace Windu (a Jedi Master): "He has control of the Senate and the Courts. He's too dangerous to be kept alive."
Anakin: "It's not the Jedi way, he must live!"
Revenge of the Sith did a great job of building to Anakin's turn. It's clear after the sand people situation and possibly the Clone Wars, Anakin decided to follow the Jedi Code with more dedication so that he could stay on the light side of the Force. However, this belief in the Jedi Code starts to become undermined by the Jedi using underhanded tactics and then Palpatine telling Anakin...
Palpatine: "The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way."
Anakin tries to refute this, but Palpatine is too skilled at debating to be refuted. Then it all comes back to that one sentence, "He's too dangerous to be kept alive." Once said be a Sith Lord is now being said by a high ranking Jedi Master, proving that the Sith and Jedi are similar. Now throw on Anakin's dreams of Padme dying, and it's not so hard to believe that Anakin would turn.
Anakin was a hypocrite. When he deems someone to big of a threat he eliminates them, when mace, (a wise master) deems it, all the sudden it's wrong... dude just wanted power from palpatine.
@@guy8360 When he deems someone to big of a threat??
he deemed nothing he was orderd to by the leader of his goverment
and instantly knew it was still wrong
you doint say no to your commander in chief when he orders you to do something dureing a war
Anakin only kept Palpatine alive cause he believed he could save padme. And at that point he was lost. He only said that's the jedi way because it was an excuse to keep Palpatine alive
@@realdude6145 Padme's life being in danger did influence Anakin into wanting to save Palpatine's life as well. I mentioned this in my comment. However, that doesn't change the fact that Anakin was still correct, killing Palpatine (a defeated opponent) is not the Jedi way.
@@TheBerchie the jedi way didn't stop him from killing dooku or cutting off mace windu's arm
"Take a seat, young Skywalker."
That single line explains Anakin's place in the Jedi order perfectly.
Also when he tried to object Mace mentally bitchslapped him in front of everyone with 'Sit(the fuck) down." Kind of like shut up when adults are speaking
You know Sam Jackson just wanted to say "Motherfucker" instead of "young Skywalker"
@@2ndlegend125 fact lol
We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done
@@fatimacarrano934 the OT fans would like to disagree
The Jedi were absolute morons. They initially reject a kid with more midichlorians than Yoda bc he was too old. Didn't they think that if he could turn evil couldn't he be a huge problem? Like they just saw Maul in Tatooine not long ago, didn't it cross their mind that maybe he was after Anakin in hope of recruiting him?
Yeah that's one of the many problems I have with the Prequel Jedi Order. If someone is found to be force sensitive and isn't a Dark side user, they just say, "No, this person will not be trained, no matter what their midichlorian count is. They are too old.", and toss them back onto the streets with little regard or care that the person could very well come back to cause problems for them in the future.
Whenever I think of the Prequel's, I think, 'You do realize that the force sensitive that you just rejected training for could become one of your worst enemies? Either as a bounty hunter, a scoundrel or a Sith Acolyte.
@@macgyver42563 If Anakin hadn't been trained, he would've spent the rest of his life only using the Force subliminally and would never be a real threat to anyone who got ahold of him.
I always thought that Qui-Gon held true to the ideals of the Jedi of old. Qui-Gon does not care about political views or governmental guidelines. his actions are guided by the Force and he simply does what he thinks is right.
And Ahsoka, she’s too good for them though
another thing that made me realize how corrupt the Jedi were, was how they acted like everyone else could have visions, but when Anakin had them..accurately i might add, they just told him not to trust them..yet they still held on the a foretelling that another force user had about a chosen one.
it reminds me of that line from the Anne Rice book, about how it's easier to believe some distant, unknown person can have powers, but if it's someone you know, they are just wrong, or crazy
Qui-Gon told Obi-Wan to ignore the wary feeling he had at the beginning of Episode 1. Anakin was the only one shown to have visions. You're probably speaking of the prophecy which was foretold of years before the Prequels started.
Anakin never told anyone about his visions...
And relying on your visions was said by the jedi to ignore them.
The issue is that many jedi that had vissions, tried to avoid the future, which made them turn into the dark side.
Which happened with Dooku and Anakin ( and a lot more jedi in the past)
@@andrejosue98 what do you mean he never told anyone?
he told Obi Wan about his mom, and Yoda about Padme
and isn't a prophecy , nothing but a vision written down?
my point was, they told him to ignore them,
but they relied on the future chosen one, vision
@@invisigoth777 No dude, Yoda was always suspisious of the "chosen one" prophecy, he always insisted that visions could be misunderstood
@@andrejosue98 Leader of an order of space wizards who has telepathic powers, can sense other people's feelings (aren't they meant to be forbidden?) and actions halfway across the galaxy is suspicious of visions. Ironic
Must have been really damn awkward the first time Anakin realized that he's supposed to call the guy who 'freed' him, 'Master'.
He never got freedom until death.
And he was free to leave the order at any time, especially once he got married. It was all his own stupidity and mental weakness that caused him his issues.
@@shugaroony And by that same logic people are free to leave any cult at any time. Except when they aren't.
@@darkblood626 yes the Jedi could have claimed that Anakin was influenced by the dark side and lock him in the citadel(hope I spelled that right). I mean if they locked up Jedi who saw the future, then they would have done that to Anakin. So I agree with you. And especially since he is the chosen one. He could not leave even if he wanted to.
@@darkblood626 palpatine was his only way out and he only stayed because of the clone wars. So he didn't have a choice at all in his life. So he was influenced by anyone who gave him power. And to him power is freedom.
"The saviours of the broken, the beaten and the damned."
Me: My chemical romance Black parade 😭
Exactly hahaha!!!
Clone Wars just justifies his actions even more
I get it your being sarcastic right because he killed kids and was involved with jedis death he don't even know
@@killerwakyduck5831 no i’m not being sarcastic 😐
@@kechkur2800 he killed kids and every jedi he was about to be a master before he killed the black jedi can't remember name.
@@killerwakyduck5831 but what he’s been through justifies him i feel him honestly, i almost killed my friend when i was going through depression 😢
@@kechkur2800 yes I feel for him but he shouldn't have killed the kids.
2:12
"Saviors of the broken,
The beaten and the damned."
Nice MCR reference
Marley you beat me to this comment post. I love The Black Parade.
G
Shit made me smile tbh
“That’s just my romantic thinking”
“When he was penetrated by Darth Maul.” Are you sure that’s how you want to put that?
🤣🤣🤣I was thinking the same thing!!!
Hell yeah it’s said correctly
Ikr
Lmao I just commented the same thing 😂
It’s the best way to put it
So this is why, from Anakin's POV in Revenge of the Sith, the Jedi were evil.
It actually makes sense when you see it this way.
Honestly, it's surprising that there are any Jedi who follow the order's rules, at all.
"Let go of everything you're afraid to lose," Yoda says in response to Anakin telling him of his visions of someone he loves losing their life.
That sort of rhetoric is bound to screw with people (psychologically), and make them feel that their natural emotions are evil, and need to be suppressed. Might as well tell all the new padawans that they're no longer human, but soulless machines that do only what the masters tell them.
This kind of shit is why the Grey Jedi are the only of the 3 "factions" (for lack of a better word) that make any sort of rational sense. The Sith let their emotions rule them, the Jedi attempt to turn theirs off, but the Grey seek balance between the two. How many times, over the course of the 9 movies currently out, do we hear about a need to "bring balance to the force"? Well, balance doesn't mean that the light-side rules everything. That isn't balance...except to a Jedi.
1) If Anakin had just followed Yoda's advice and actually let go of his paranoia, he wouldn't have let Palpatine get into his head, he wouldn't have fell to the dark side, and Padme would've been just fine. Basically, if Anakin just listened to Yoda, then Anakin would've had a happily ever after.
2) Balance absolutely *does* mean that the light side rules everything. This is straight out of the mouth of George Lucas. The Sith throw the Force out of balance, thus balance is restored when Anakin destroys Sidious.
I wouldn’t say justified lol but the Jedi definitely deserve a lot of the blame for what happened to Anakin. He had so much trauma in him and instead of helping him they all told him to just forget it happened. LOL. Anakin was a ticking time bomb and Padme could only do so much to keep him from losing it.
And that was the inherent flaw of the Jedi. Anakin had a crap ton of emotional damage to deal with but The Order's only acceptable method for dealing with that kind of problem was saying, "Just get over it or ignore it." Their refusal to understand emotions or really deal with them is what led most fallen Jedi turn to the Dark Side.
Archangel980 idk, I think it’s kind of a grey matter. And what do you mean by “helping him”, he had a lot of support in the order.
Rob J isn’t that a little reductive? Isn’t that like saying a Buddhist monks or a Christian monostaries “only acceptable way of dealing with it” is to “refuse to understand emotions”. I think it’s more a conflict in philosophy rather than one strictly of mental health. Those above organizations also insist that members give up worldly things and lovers as well. And seeing as the order has survived for millennia, it isn’t exactly obvious that it’s all that fundamental of a flaw. It was more due to the Anakin being a special case, rather then a fundamental problem in the creed.
honestly it felt kinda forced especially if you only look at the three movies and not the clone wars show.
@@midshipman8654 If that were true, there wouldn't be so many fallen Jedi. To the point multiple masters throughout the orders history has questioned their own methods due to the high failure rate.
7:45 I just realized that means that it gives anakin saying “he must stand trial” to mace windu as he is about to kill Palpatine more weight. He knows what happened to Ashoka and it wasn’t even a trial. Just blatant judge, jury and executioner.
Dude. That was before Ashoka.
Idiot
Z Bond ??? Episode 3 was after the clone wars wym lol
chiefster11 This movie was made before the clone wars moron. Ashoka wasn’t even thought of yet. In canon yes, but these movies, no. She appears years after this movie in the CLONE WARS tv show. If they thought of Ashoka back then they would’ve had a direct reference to her in the movies.
Z Bond omfg no fucking shit Sherlock. The show creators help create dots to the third movie in the way i described and many people who talk about the lore in Star Wars discuss in the way that I just did. Ofc we fucking know that the movie was made before the show. No one claimed that. You’re on god a fucking tard bro.
It hurts more that when Darth Vader clashes with Ahsoka he says she left him alone.
The Jedi order really taught Anakin how to be Vader.
No, Palpatine did.
They didn’t trust him and now they paid the price for it being fugitives on the Galaxy they once felt superior to.
@@DiogoJ1 the jedi made him lost, Palpatine gave him a direction
@@guifdcanalli An direction towards evil. It's better to be lost in that case, at least you still have the chance of being found. Someone who falls to the dark side, will have a very hard time steer themselves in the right direction.
Once the Dark Side has a hold over you, it will forever have some sway over your destiny. Even Revan couldn't escape from it in the end, he managed to redeem himself, but in his final days, managed to fall back to his previous mistakes as he tries to commit genocide against the Sith Empire, by trying to exterminate both innocents and Sith, by using their Sith blood in people's veins as the focus for their extermination.
The only reason why Darth Vader returns to the light side definetely, and never falls again, is because he died shortly after.
@@DiogoJ1 my point is Anakin would never have alligned with Palpatine if the Jedi havent pushed him over
Honestly though, I think Qui-Gon wouldve come back for anakins mom, but he died before that
I always believed he would have too. He seemed the kind of person who would have done it without an agenda, but out of simple kindness.
If he didn't die then Obi-Wan wouldn't have had to train anikan so young
We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t happen
Qui gon understood his fears but was naive like count Doku
Qui-gonn: "Your free now Anikan!! You no longer have to be a slave."
Anikan: " Oh wow!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I cant believe my days of horrible slavery are finally over! Thank you Qui-Gon......"
Qui-Gonn: "Whoa whoa whoa, you call me Master from now on, and also you have to do everything I say. Freedom!"
Lol.
Darth Vader: I'm going to go help my new master enslave thousands of worlds to bring peace and security! If that doesn't work, we bomb them from orbit until everything is dust. If that doesn't work, we build a death ball and destroy everything, cause I had a rough childhood!!
"Anikan". Cmon, his name is literally in the title of the video. ANAKIN.
@@Euripides_Panz To be fair at that point Anakin was utterly beaten down, manipulated, guilt tripped, stripped of his former identity, and shaped into the intimidating persona of Darth Vader at that point, or the image that Sidious wanted for him. (Seriously, canon Darth Vader's story post Clone Wars is both depressing and terrifying due to the shit Sidious kept doing.)
More like under new management
@@Euripides_Panz to be fair, Anakin's whole life was screwed up the moment Qui-Gon died.
Seen in this light, it's amazing he didn't join the Sith way earlier.
Let's also not forget that this really does also extend into the OT. Even after the fall of the Jedi order, Obi and Yoda still conspire to manipulate and deceive Luke into doing their dirty work. Obi insists and goads Luke into coming with him despite his protests. He preys on Luke's grief of the loss of his family to convince him to go with him rather than letting him go his own way. They actively deceive him and try to trick him into patricide rather than coming clean about the situation. When Luke leaves to go after Vader at Cloud City, they give him up for dead and/or falling to the dark side before he's even left the planet. They're actively considering pulling the same stunt with his sister despite the same failures over and over. Luke is the only one that even has the thought of redemption for Vader at all. Even after Luke loses his hand and is recovered by the rest of the group, Obi still refuses to even speak to Luke. He refuses to own up at all to what they did and it's only after all that went sideways then Luke forgiving that he returns to Degobah. Only then do they own up to the deception and Obi pans that "from a certain point of view" line to excuse him outright lying to Luke about it. The betrayals to Anikin run so far past him all the way to the end.
Oh, doing their dirty work? You mean like saving the galaxy from a fascist Empire?
@@MrZackavelli "saving the galaxy"
you say that as if the empire was about to make the universe implode
@@InitialPC Saving the galaxy *from* a fascist empire. It's like you decided to stop reading mid-sentence.
@@MrZackavelli what is the galaxy being saved from, what is the empire doing to the galaxy that requires the galaxy to be saved from the empire
@@InitialPC You're kidding, right? You think there's nothing wrong with fascism?
Question, what did the Jedi do when they found a force sensitive too old to train or they couldn't convince/grab?
Like they almost considered Anakin to be, what if _they had rejected Qui-Gon's request?_
[Do they just keep tabs on them - can be time consuming if there's a lot, and what if one of them starts developing their powers or even joins another faction].
Or does Master Windu take him out back and ask Anakin to look closely into the emitter on Mace's Sabre.
[*Wooshing noise… Windu opens his eyes]
*Windu:* I hate to see a kid go down.
Most force sensitives that don't get spotted by jedi ended up being really successful pilots and gamblers because of the connection to the Force but they would just great it as being lucky since most in the galaxy either didn't know or didn't believe in the Force
casbott they oribabky would have imorissoned them or kill them. I learned today the Jedi has a prison for Jedi with the power of foresight so yea. Not surprised
*just treat it
in the pre films, if the kid refuses to go with the jedi, they kill em', so them dosent join the sith.
In the case with Anakin, had the Jedi still rejected him to be trained the most likely thing to happen was that he would have become a sith lord earlier. Palpatine would have been glad at this early opportunity to take Anakin in.
1) They forced him to go on missions to planets covered in sand
someone shoulda created a big sand monster to go against Vader.he probably woulda ran away
or better yet equip every one who has to fight him with sand blasters like they use to remove paint.
Daniel Paquet agreed. The Rebels need to add this to their Anti-Vader Drill 😂😂😂
LMAO
Then Rey covered his lightsaber in sand on Tatootine. Greate.
Vader VS the sand creature from Spiderman who wins?
Harry Potter: how “the order” screwed over the chosen one to their advantage
Star Wars: how “the order” screwed over the chosen one to the point of their own demise.
😂
except in harry's case, he grew up to be fine. Anakin just got completely fucked over
@@lapplandkun9273 Harry grew up to be just fine? No trauma from enduring all that before your brain had fully formed? None at all huh
@@augustuskeller7214 I mean, we did get to see how Harry's story ended, having a healthy family and all that. Anakin got 3 of his limbs chopped off, turned into a villain and was forced to do someone else's bidding.
It was actually the corrupt officials of the Ministry of Magic who refused to accept that Voldemort returned and instead launched a smear campaign against Harry Potter because Fudge was a delusional ass
@@Charlie94781 yea but you’re telling me there was no manipulating by Dumbledore to make harry his martyr? He knew Harry had to die the WHOLE time and said absolutely nothing! Dumbledore did EVERYTHING to ensure Harry would die at the perfect time.
The reason why jedi were always like that cuz yoda feared he was going to bring great evil and not everybody believed he was the true chosen one so they obviously took their precautions. But if jedi really really believed in him like Palpatine did he def really would have became the chosen one.
I know the main problem was being born on tatonie.
It's filled with sand.
Also even before he killed those younglings he killed child tuskin raiders so yeah nothing new here.
I D O N T L I K E S A N D
Don't you love how Padme has no problem with him slaughtering Sand people children but the second he kills a bunch of Human kids... Thats too much.
u realize that tusken raiders are uncivilized and savage they should be hunted to extinction by the jedi order so its the right thing to kill them while the youglings are innocents who has been through a lot
@@fangjerry4697 Calm your inner Chistopher Columbus lol
They are natives of tatooine and can be talked to or you can trade with them
They just can't be organised enough to retake their planet, nor have the incentive to do so because of the tech that is brought
@@manuxx3543 they are still savages lol
he was the chosen one
it was the people around him that failed him
We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like it can’t be done
I have failed you anakin, I have failed you... (I love that line)
@@lauriegee1272 so true. obi wan DID fail. anakin needed qui-gon, not obi wan.
Shit he is right
@tanio12 all the jedi treated anakin like crap since he was a kid, except qui-gon jinn. obi wan never trusted him fully. in ep1 obi wan said to qui gon "the boy is dangerous!". mace windu didn't trust anakin. yoda didn't trust anakin. the jedi council then asks him to spy on a legally elected chancellor, who is by that time, like a father figure to anakin, and at the same time dont even give him the rank of master. and yes, the nightmares of padme's death topped it all off. to me, anakin was always a victim.
I find it crazy how "by the book" the Jedi were- yet when Anakin proposed a fair trial for Palpatine, the "book" was omitted... Strange that picking and choosing when to follow rules is only corrupt when Anakin is the culprit.
Goes to show that it wasn't that Anakin wasn't ready. The Jedi Council was subconsciously envious of him. Anakin was like Qui Gonn, a free-thinker.
I only recently watched Clone Wars (we binged it spring 2020 during lockdown), and I've been saying this ever since. The Jedi pushed Anakin over the edge, even though he fought tooth and nail again it, and then wonder how he could turn on them. They really did bring it on themselves, unfortunately.
The jedis doomed themselves by sticking to a screwed up ideology,you can't have balanced in the force if its one sided,Qui Gon was closer to a real balance than the entire jedi order
The force is created by life, yet the Jedi reject the creation of life via committed, romantic relationships. The Jedi disavow attachment, yet expect loyalty, which is a form of attachment, to the order. Jedi say to avoid anger and fear, yet they fear emotional attachment and are angry when a person experiences justifiable anger. They are hypocrites of the highest order. Still doesn't justify the evil Anakin committed.
It wasn't unbalanced and one sided. Balance does not mean how many Jedi and sith there are.
Anakin post ROTJ in canon makes this clear. He helped Luke Skywalker and gave him advice when rebuilding the Jedi Order. It makes no sense to kill any force user or force sensitive child in fear of keeping balance. What happened is that the sith had unbalanced the force and the dark side of the force had clouded the Jedi orders ability to sense things. Anakin existed to bring balance back into the force, Palpatine knew this and instead of killing him, he seduces him. The best thing he knew he could do. Palpatine knew Anakin would betray him eventually.
adora721 lux Loyalty is commitment. Not attachment. When they say attachment they’re talking about the type of attraction that leads to unhealthy shit like obsession.
How is this not obvious?
The entire point of the balance is to remove the Dark Side. Balance = No Darkside ever again.
"Justified" is a stretch. They contributed to his fall, but nothing he did was justified. What would be justified would be if he just left the order like Ahsoka.
The world of star wars doesn't work like the real one. Those who use the force submit to its power. That's why Sith are corrupted and become almost pure evil in the search of power. If such things existed, it would be possible to go this insane
sg98films Morals are still a thing in Star Wars.
Slavery, for example, is considered very, very bad in our world and not acceptable. In Star Wars, it truly depends on where you’re at and who’s asked.
Exactly, but I guess it was too late.
@@blackblack1167 'morals' are just man-made rules and constantly change throughout time. Remember 'slavery' was a regular way of life for thousands of years before things progressed and individuals were given more rights in law.
We usually think of 'slavery' from the infamous 'Atlantic Slave Trade', when treatment of Africans by the greedy European slavers was horrendous.
But 'Slavery' as a concept, worked in ancient times, when societies considered people of different 'ranks' and 'classes'. It was a guaranteed way for people of weaker families and lower ranks to attain basic security and living needs. They secured essential employment and formed a important layer of society. A slave from a poor family, owned by a very rich master might enjoy a life of relative luxury, tending his gardens or waiting on his large tables overladen with all kinds of luxury food.
But slavery gradually became increasingly viewed as being unjust, as society evolved. Systems of law and governance allowed lower ranks of people to attain personal wealth, own land, and have rights and freedoms. It took centuries for things to change the world over.
Perhaps that's what Lucas was reflecting also happens in the 'Star Wars' universe. Which is why slavery remains a thing in the backward, less developed corners of the galaxy. Such as on Tatooine.
But then he wouldn't be able to save Padme.
They screwed him over even after proving himself they still gave him a hard time which led to their demise
I love how any of your videos has more knowledge and respect to the original lore than the disney star wars era combined.
He's kinda like the Yin and Yang
Anakin Skywalker: There is Evil in Good
Darth Vader: There is Good in Evil
I really like that! Good way to put it.
There is no evil in good or good in evil. They are completely separate, like light and darkness. Hence light side vs dark side.
We need Hyden to come back to play anakin skywalker again. Ani was so powerful it’s not like they can’t do it and like maybe resurrect him*
Id argue creating a cult where you're taught to supress your emotions and never have loved ones is just as unhealthy as the Sith...
They don't supress them, they control them. I would gladly be a jedi, since there's no rule that says I can't have a lover.
@@DiogoJ1 I thought there was a rule, but I guess not. I’ve been misinformed.
@@DiogoJ1 having a lover is a outlet for passion, which is not allowed tf?
@@RogueSith501 An outlet for passion, but if that passion is controlled, then it's a non-issue.
@@DiogoJ1 you literally made that up. They wont give you an outlet for passion because they view passion as a distraction to self control, to inner peace. Its literally in the code
1:45 Honestly, THIS is one of their main vices that cost The Order everything.
Listen man I really didn’t wanna deal with Watto again
XD...so it's a good thing Maul killed u??
Sarai Gonzales aye man that’s rude
Perfectly understandable
deal with watto just run a light saber through him there. hes dealt with.
Daniel Paquet not the Jedi way
Well how the Jedi treated him was outrageous and unfair!
Yeah now this changed my mind now from my point of view the jedi are evil
sheev one I like your name
@@theprodigalson4003 thanks 👍
How could they put him on the council, and not make him a master?
He only wanted to bring peace, justice and security.
I like your videos, commentary, opinions, explanations and thoughts on Star Wars, you are very knowledgeable in the force
If you watch the Clone Wars, there are even some moments when Anakin has troubles with the Jedi council too.
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil"
Just before he becomes Sheev's new slave.
Said it after killing a lot of children... right.
@@josesampaio5345 Long after killing Tusken men, women, and children. Borderline personality disorder certainly isn't an Ani issue.
@@Euripides_Panz 😁😁😁😁
There's a fanfic writer here on CZcams who did an alternate ending to RoTS where Obi Wan actually convinced Anakin to not be a Sith Lord. He would ask him what was really in it for HIM. What Palpatine could have possibly given HIM that made him snap. And that he almost killed Padme in the process.
This is by far the best comprehensive analysis of Anakin I’ve ever seen. Awesome job.
Thank you for making this video, I loved it, most star wars fans don't seem to understand what you showed us, it's quite frustrating.
"There is no emotion, there is only Peace"
Well, how did that turn out for the Jedi Order?
Very badly
There is also a different version...emotion yet peace
I hate to cross the franchises but "I think you're confusing peace with quiet."
Bloody badly, because its stupid and contradictory nonsense. Peace- as an abstract concept is an emotion. A feeling. The total lack of emotion is not peace. It is nothingness, emptiness, a void, and voids naturally desire to be filled.
If we're going to down the line of trying to define peace as a state of being, well then we are opening a can of worms.
"There is no death, there is only The Force".
Well, there you basically have a justification for pointless and immoral killing. You're not taking a life without good cause, you're just making that person "one with the Force".
this will be good. it is odd no one ever went back for his mom.
I think Padme sent someone back for her at some point, but couldn't find her.
@@lovepeace230 true. I agree with the idea the jedi just used people to their advantage. The mother wasn't important. It's odd that Anakin never went back earlier though.
@@lovepeace230 why didn't they tell Anakin if they knew that she was freed. That could've eased his mind.
@@robert48044 the jedi would see that and be all like "hmm, is that emotion i smell"
Look up ghost of tatooine
I think it's really just a part of the story that wasn't really thought out, the jedi did all sorts of shady stuff with shady people, they could have smuggled her out, i'm sure anakin could have had help from naboo, he did save the queen and their planet.
I get some feeling in they sensed fear in Anakin they where also sensing there own fear in the possibility of 1. He might be the chosen one and with that have no plan on how to deal with him 2. how powerful he all ready was 3. they would not be able to brainwash and control him like the others cause "he was to old"/ had his own personality and morals. So with the potential to be the chosen one intern being the most powerful and will stand above the jedi council. So they feared him giving "so where you truly actually sensing Anakins fear or your own?".
"No Jedi has been on the council under the rank of Master"
*Laughs in Ki-Adi Mundi*
"I thought the jedi were supposed to be the saviors of the broken the beaten and the damned" I screeched
I feel that brother
That MCR reference at 2:08 tho 🤘
GREAT CHANNEL MAN I LIKE THE WAY YOU TALK.... I FIND IT HARD TO FIND CZcamsRS WHOS VOICE I DONT FIND ANNOYING BUT YOU HAVE A GOOD VOICE
What if…?
What if Anakin killed Palpatine as soon as he discovered Palpatine was a Sith - he realised that he'd been played and it was a plot to make _him_ a Sith.?
I don’t think he was strong enough to kill palpatine..... mace windu could of easily
I think even If Palpatine died before Order 66, earlier or later, Anakin would become either a Sith or a "free Power user" with his own school. Because he had so much Power compared to his age. The conflict between Anakin and the Council wouldn't have ended, because why the arrogant and corrupt members should have changed their mind?
for someone who was deemed 'the chosen one' he got pretty screwed over time and time again. Ironic.
He could kill others, but not himself. Ironic...
They usually do.
Well he did bring balance to the force he killed so many powerful jedi and got rid of his powerful sith master and himself and left like and some other weak sith that balanced Everything and then it was up to like too keep the balance
Just stumbled across this video. It reminds me of an idea I had for a book loosely titled "The Trial of Anakin Skywalker" where after Anakin ascended to becoming one with the Force, there are those who are there who believe him unworthy of such a gift. What follows is a kind of trial where both his mistakes and the Jedi's are aired out. Ironically, Anakin's defense attorney would have been a Sith Lord like Darth Bane or Nihilist, and the argument you just made would have been what decided in his favor that he was worthy.
Mann I love yo vids, they always informative & you juss state the facts. 💚💯
"He would've saved his mother "
Qui gon tried to free her but couldn't so he settled for anakin because of his importance. He did cared.
In the book "Queen's Shadow" that shows what Padma did in between episode 1 and 2 she did send someone to go free slaves and to look for Anakin's mom but they couldn't find her.
The truth is, the Jedi were losing their ways long before Anakin was even discovered.
Palpatine was stronger than all of the Jedi combined
The new multi media series the high republic even show the jedi's flaws were their from the beginning the order was doomed to fail.
One question is how the Jedi convinced the parents of the younglings relinquished custody to them.
Their was bought with either a wave of the hand or the flashing of a blaster
Thinking about it, it makes no sense that Anakin wasnt given the rank of master after killing Dooku, when Obi Wan received his ranking and seat on the council after killing Maul
Obi-Wan didn't get a seat on the council for killing Maul. He was promoted to knight, but didn't get on the council until sometime in between TPM and TCW. As for Anakin, he didn't possess the emotional maturity or humility that a Jedi Master needed. The Council also knew that Anakin wanted the position, but they didn't want to show weakness to Palpatine, who personally requested Anakin's appointment, and was an active suspect in their investigation to find the Sith. They were caught between a rock and a hard place, so they compromised and still got crushed.
"5 Ways The Jedi BETRAYED Anakin and Justified His Actions"
* *me thinking about how Anakin murdered innocent children* *
Weird start, but I'm listening...
he flat out shoulda nah Palps you want the younglings dead you do it fuckin prick
they should not have killed the younglings thats stupid coulda made them all into sith worriors
@@danielpaquet3963 the last thing Sidious wanted was a bunch of well-trained Force users running around, especially if they were Dark Side. One or two could be useful tools, but too many would create potential rivals. That's why the Inquisitors were so inept. Contrary to popular belief, none of them were particularly skilled, instead relying on fear, brute force, and the Dark Side to bring them victory.
@@danielpaquet3963 Palpatine want himself and Vader to be the only sith cause if he and Vader train the younglings into sith they might try to kill Palpatine and Vader once they grew powerful enough. Which is why Palpatine told Vader to kill the young this is why Vader gave the inquisitors limited training in the dark side. Also Palpatine won't accept anyone too powerful in the force to become inquisitors again for the same reason why he didn't want the younglings to become sith.
@@robj2558 Exactly. This is exactly why Darth Bane created the rule of two. He realized that, by nature, the Sith are power hungry and have no qualms with treachery and treason. A Sith order breeds infighting, meaning that such an order will always destroy itself from within. The SIth work better in small, interdependent groups operating in the shadows while they expand their influence and grow their powers. A master who can teach the apprentice, and the apprentice who can learn from the master, surpass them, and defeat them
Yoda and the high council thought Anakin at 10 was too old to begin Jedi training, but he trained Luke at 22 🤣
In fairness, there really wasn't much choice for our boy Yoda.
Yoda is a hypocrisy
@@connormills1413 Hell in a short story he wanted to train Leia because in his point of view she was the ideal candidate of a Jedi not Luke who he thinks he is too much of his father.
They made him susceptible to the manipulation of palpatine. His actions are not condoned but the Jedi bear a ton of the responsibility. They deceived a vulnerable young man, confusing him further as a dark lord groomed him.
The fact they had a Sith Lord doing that shit UNDER THEIR VERY NOSES shows that the Jedi were most definitely NOT the all powerful do-gooders that the fanbase makes them out to be
Anakin deserved being ranked as a Master. He not only had the skills to be one but also cultivated lots of merits during the Clone Wars. But the Council was full of assholes.
Rank of master is also based on wisdom. Anakin was very immature and doesnt use his head.
@@alejandrotuazon4831 he use it more than Shaak Ti or Luminara Unduli, he just didn't have their dignified aura.
@@nicokrasnow1851 palpatine asked anakin to spy on the jedi; doesnt get mad (also doesnt tell the jedi)
Jedi ask anakin to spy on palpatine; anakin whines about not being a master. No true master whines on not being promoted to master.
@@alejandrotuazon4831 he was simply fed up with the way the Council treat him, and he needed to be a Master in order yo save Padmé
Anikan was not in controls of his emotions, he had no business being a Master. If it were peace time there was no chance he would have been allowed to sit on the council. Yes he was incredibly powerful with the force but he couldn't be trusted with some of the darkest secrets only master's could know. He was more concerned with his friends than the good of everyone
After the pod race they sold Anakin's racer. My thought was, if he used the pod racer as a gambling stake to get Anakin freed, after the victory why didn't he sell the racer to Watto for Shmi? No, I believe that Qui-Gon Jinn left Shmi behind intentionally to sever that attachment due to the Jedi rules.
The book explains that there wasn't enough money to free Shmi, but they should have come back and freed her, it would have been a calming influence on Anakin to know his mother was safe
@@tonysc71 Or you know, just took her with them.
@@HylianSith920 Though Padme (and the Naboo) might have been grateful and donated the necessary resources to free Shmi.
Please read " Ghosts of Tatoonie," it covers Shmi life through her dairy.
Even in the movie P.M. , Shmi tells Anakin that her fate was on Tatoonie and she was not going to leave the planet. Then in AotC it shown Shmi married into the Larrs family and became Owen's mom.
in the Old EU before the Prequels, there was a prophecy of " The Son of Two Suns."
Some bull crap about Luke being born or lived on a planet under two sun.
It came down to Luke being the son of Shmi two sons.
Tony Cavallaro they could have advertised this pod racer that won the race and sold it