How Obi Wan Could Have Saved Anakin From Palpatine
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- We take a look at what Obi Wan Kenobi could've done differently (better) with his training and relationship with Anakin Skywalker.
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There were so many opportunities to prevent Anakins fall. The Jedi weren't evil, but I do think they were ignorant and naive. Even at the very end, Anakin reveals that Palpatine is the Sith Lord and the Jedi took Anakins loyalty for granted. They left him alone when he was most vulnerable. Palps seemingly gave Anakain an out ... a way to deal with his fears. The Jedi just assumes Anakin followed the same structure they did. Had the Jedi been more empathetic and aware of Anakins need for love and loyalty in turn, they could have been more able to intervene without blindly dismissing anakins attachments.
Not ignorant, arrogant. I honestly feel it was the framing of Ahsoka that was the final straw, not being asked to spy on the Emperor.
@@DartmanX both?
I find ignorant and naive people tend to be evil
If obsucting children to a cult is not evil, then jedi are ok ig
this is the reason why i would probably be a gray jedi. fuck the jedi fuck the sith i do what i want.
Alan's psychoanalysis of Anakin cuts deep, mane. Cuts real deep.
He did go through an airport bag scanner head first
I think Anakin, being more able to sense the Force, knows that there is so much more to discover. The other Jedi could not see the vast universal sea of the Force as Anakin felt it because of his high level of midichlorians. I think this is what made him a maverick in terms of feeling the power of the force.
Honestly it was pretty common in the Jedi Order that extremely powerful Jedi were often Mavericks seeing much of the Force the council in their narrow self-assured view could not. At least in legends and according to the Plagueis novel there were only 3 Jedi in the order who could see the writing on the wall in terms of what was coming. You had Sifo Diyas who was one of the few Jedi still able to somewhat see the future. You had Douku who didn’t need foresight because he had an acute political awareness of the state of the Senate the Republic the Chancellory and what the Jedis roles were becoming. Finally you had Qui Gon Jinn who was in tune with the Living Force and could see how the order was straying from the supposed will of the force and what was waiting in the wings for when they were past the point of no return. So what happened in 32 BBY? Sifo Diyas ordered the Clone army paid for by Damask Holdings, Qui Gon died, and Douku finally had enough of Jedi dying for no reason but the council working with the Republic so he left the Order.
That was a bit...Kallus!
@@carsoncasmirri3874 Thanks for this answer!
I believe Qui Gon would've done all these actions that you suggested Obi Wan should've done. Since he was the one who broke that rule and probably didn't inform Obi Wan of that before he got killed.
Obi wan wasnt thé problem, Anakin was the problem, instead of following his selfish desire to become a combattant he should have choosed the way of the consular, he would have been wiser,more intelligent,and selfless
Qui Gon was wrong, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. Qui Gon would have continued with his arrogance, thinking he knew better than all and needed to train the person who slaughtered the younglings.
All you sheeple say the same stuff, "Qui Gon would have saved him" despite the fact he didn't and couldn't and infact led to the downfall of the Jedi Order by the hands of the person he insisted would save it. Qui Gon's arrogance was infinite and his intelligence lacking, he should have followed his orders instead of guilting Obi Wan into agreeing to his masters final wish... what a PoS he was...
The problem was, from what I've heard, Obi-Wan was kind of a rule breaker, but one with a strong moral compass. The Jedi send him with Qui Gon, so instead of breaking the Jedi's rules, he break his rules and got Obi-Wan to align himself closer to rules of the Jedi.
Had Obi-Wan actually adopted more of Qui-Gon's wisdom and philosophy, he would've become much more successful with Anakin, I think.
@@authoritariangentleman7570 Qui Gon would have saved him
@@authoritariangentleman7570 A lot of ppl ironically talk about how arrogant, naive, or ignorant the Jedi supposedly were, but Qui-Gonn embodied all 3 of those characteristics. Despite the fact that every sitting member of the council could sense the imminent danger in training Anakin, Qui-Gonn still wanted to believe that he was the smartest guy in the room.
When you mentioned Anakin as a weapon for both the Jedi and the Sith, it reminded me of Maul telling Ahsoka about being both "tools for greater powers".
This is also probably why they were the best duelists during the clone wars, because even before the start of it they had been sparing at this level.
You're talking about emotionally stunted warrior monks who were themselves taken from their families young. It probably never occurred to them that Anakin knew parental love.
I'm sure that Palpatine's didn't make up for it did he?
I feel so bad for Obi-Wan as well. He lost his own father figure and then was instantly tasked with raising and training a very difficult student. He never had the chance to figure out what sort of Jedi he was without Qui Gon before he became Anakin's master because he was still so young when it happened; he wasn't ready for a padawan and did his best
Yeah it was basically an teen raising his younger brother, cause their age difference was what...probably 6 to 10 yrs at the most, he was raising a younger brother just after losing his father figure, while still not being fully matured himself. Obi-wan had to grow up faster than he should had, so I think he had some amounts of hatred towards anakin, the hate/ jealousy you see in siblings.
Kenobi had too much to do, he was constantly on the frontlines, making decisions in the Jedi Counlil, and training Anakin who was constantly in combat, if not for war Kenobi would prevent Anakins fall to the dark side, Palpatine had to separate them so he can make Anakin become Darth Vader ... given the situation Kenobi did everything he could.
yep. in fact If Kenobi took Anakin to fight grievous. His wife would have give brith by time battle was over. Likely Anakin and Kenobi would face Palpatine together and stoping the Sith.
Obi wan could’ve trained anakin perfectly fine if it wasn’t for palpatine whispering in his ear defying obis teachings the whole time obi didn’t stand a chance
In the end, it's the connections that we make that make us who we are. Our humanity comes from the relationships we form with others. Eliminating these connections only results in a person that is less than human. And, even though he was ultimately as much machine as he was a man, it's Anakin's connections that made him one of the most human of the characters in the Star Wars universe.
The jedi encouraged friendship,they also dont forbid loving someone,they forbid letting them selves be guided by their emotions
It’s experiences. Not connections.
I could see that as being the case.
@@damaskholdings9140 this is why the jedi failed and will fail again until they learn this very important lesson.
@@SimonBauer7 The jedi didnt fail,only Anakin failed.If he listened to the rule of not letting yourself bé guided by your emotions the Jedi order would still be out there.Did you forget that the prequel era is the era during the jedi have the lowest number of dark jedi ?
I think Qui Gon would have tried to address many of these issues, including trying to free Anakin's mother. The failure of his not to shrug off being run through with a lightsabre meant, of course, that he didn't get the chance. But while I can see the Jedi Order telling Qui Gon that it wasn't their place to get involved... The people I blame for what happened to Shmi are the people of Naboo: I mean, a 9-year old boy just saved your whole planet. Surely the whole planet could afford enough translatable wealth (Since Republic Credits are out) to free ONE slave. The mother of the hero who saved all their rears? While good deeds should not be transactual in nature, this would have been an appropriate display of gratitude and Padme herself should have had it done!
In the books, Qui-Gon did set up Shmi's liberation. He arranged for someone to take an incredibly valuable crystal to her, which she and the Larses later used to buy her freedom. Alas, he suffered a slight case of deadness before he could tell Obi-Wan or Anakin what he had planned.
@@ZoeMalDoran what book?
@@CD-Freedom It's in "Tatooine Ghost" - Han & Leia go to Tatooine about 3 or 4 years after Endor (set between "The Courtship of Princess Leia" and the Thrawn Trilogy) to recover the Killik Twilight painting and the encryption key hidden in it before the Imperials can. During the ensuing adventure, Leia finds Shmi Skywalker's diaries, which fill in many of the blanks of her story between TPM and AotC, as well as learning about Anakin's early life. These things help her come to terms with her family history and agree to have kids with Han.
Padme sent someone to look for shimi iirc it was mentioned in the Vader 2020 comics
It's mentioned in issue 3 page 10 and 11
It’s definitely before AOTC. He still has right arm
Took words out my mouth
Oh he does? If so it's every hard to see.
It's before he's given his mission to Naboo
The only way to save him was have him an apprentice to Coleman Trebor. He was the only one who matched his midichlorian count. If Trebor survived and partnered with Anakin they could of taken on the entire sepertist army
thought that too
Jango Fett must have a higher Midichlorin count then he blasted Coleman a Jedi with 1 Hold out blaster
@@kbassassin8308 Coleman Trebor new (from his incredible midichlorian count) that boba fet would help grogu and how a big of part of boba’s origin is seeing his father die in front of him. Because of this he heroically sacrificed himself to help grogu
@@pizzathehut2553 where is that stated I saw that he attacked count Dooku because he thought he could take him
I don't think Obi-Wan was ready or even wanted a student. I think he needed more time on his own without the burden of responsibility of a student. Qui Gon. Qui Gon Jinn, had he lived, I think would have shown young Anakin the way. Qui Gon was different too. For whatever reason (I believe it was simply that he wasn't a blind tool like the rest of the jedi) he saw past the Jedi's idea of RIGHT to what was truly right. There was instant connections with Anakin and Qui Gon. As far as I could see, he actually cared for the boy, he just never got the chance to fully show it, but it was there. Obi Wan really had to fair choice in the matter. But hey, nobody is perfect and Obi Wan is no exception. I mean not only was Anakin far from your "normal" padawan, he was "damaged goods" from the start. How could anyone expect a Padawan (theoretically) to teach a special needs padawan?!? No, the only one who was up to the task was Qui Gon. He was the only one that may have shown Anakin the right path and once he was gone, it was a forgone conclusion that Vader was coming. \m/
Yoda might have been able to do better with Anakin, but even he would have struggled as he was so old and tradition bound. That said his experience and wisdom might have helped in places where Obi Wan struggled due to lack of experience and perhaps confusing the master - apprentice relationship with friendship to much. Part of the problem with Anakin is you needed a very strong master in the force to guide him, but none of those masters stepped up after Qui Gon's death (They all pretty much failed the boy with indifference or hostility), when they likely should have as a nine year old with lots of emotional baggage was beyond Obi Wan's tutelage at that time and Qui Gon should have seen that and not bound Obi Wan to act as master to Anakin.
That's politics. Both are slated to fail. The Council wants to see them fail! A rigid organisation can't tolerate any deviance. Such behaviour must be portrayed to fail in the end so as to be an example to others. But the Clone War happened. Instead of being designed to fail, the Chosen One was elevated to hero status among his peers, much to the chagrin of the Council. Their despise towards him could be seen when he was denied by the Council to be a Master. Anakin is a very patient and committed fella I might say. I would have left the Order if I were him. Sometimes you've to let go of the sense of duty to save everyone in order to prevent you from descending into the darkest place. It's human nature to do stupid things that land them in hot lava.
While Qui Gon was definitely the best choice to train Anakin I believe there were a couple others who could have pulled it off. Plo Kloon being the one that comes foremost to my mind. His actions during the Clone Wars, showing compassion to even the loveliest. His wisdom and patients. And his willingness to think outside the box when it came to the Force (he developed Force Judgement, the Light Side variant of Force Lightning after all) would have made him a great father figure for Anakin. Which is EXACTLY what Anakin needed most. While Obi-Wan certainly loved Anakin and did his best to teach him, the last words he spoke to him on Mustafar show exactly why he failed, "You were my Brother Anakin..." He treated Anakin like a younger brother and behaved kike an older sibling not a father.
TL/DR: Anakin needed a father not a brother. Plo Kloon and a handful of others could have been that. Obi-Wan could not and was not.
honestly, after qui gon died, even though Obi-wan promised to train anakin, i agree that Obi-wan wasnt ready for a padawan at the time. Though i wouldn't have thought yoda for Anakin, seeing as yoda was actively against anakin joining in the first place, though maybe not as much as Windu. but I think Plo Koon would've made a wonderful temporary Master for Anakin, while Obi-wan sorted his new knighthood out, and talked with Yoda about the trials of being a Master. Even during an apprenticeship to another master, Obi-wan and Anakin could still maintain a "he's my brother" relationship, as Obi-wan figures out how to best be a Master to him.
Dude qui gon hadn’t even thought of freeing anakin until he realized he was the chosen one that’s the least genuine care there is
I always found it fascinating when you compare the upbringings between Luke and Anakin. Luke was raised with love, he connections and attachments to friends and what not, sure his loyalty and that bleeding heart of him got him into trouble at Bespin, but ultimately it's the love and care he was raised with that ultimately push him to be this great person that conquers all the darkness that dared to worm their way into his heart.
Anikan was doomed as long as he had Palpatine looking over his shoulder leading him astray grooming him to become darth Vader Sidious was always showing Anikan the flaws in the Jedi, Republic, and most of all the high council Anikan shouldn’t have to prove himself constantly to Obiwan and the council they should reciprocate his trust in them like he believed Sidious did would any one of us reveal our mistakes and weaknesses to the cold council & would anyone of us have chosen Mace Windu over our surrogate father figure Palpatine.
I think if Qui Gon Jinn survived, he would limit Palpatine’s access to Anakin, but unfortunately he didn’t survive.
Not really,if Anakin choosed to study the light side and its powers more than lightsaber combat,hé would have been able to save his loved ones.He was sinply very selfish and a fool.If he became a jedi consular and let go of his égoisme,hé would have studied more the jedi library and would have been wiser and less susceptible to be manipulated by Palpatine, but instead he choosed the selfish way
@@damaskholdings9140 do you even understand Anakin's character?
@@damaskholdings9140 not necessarily he coulda easily stayed as a warrior he just needed to get his ego and fears in check. Had he learned to master his darker nature and only trusted Palpatine so far he coulda broke away.
Sidious was a supreme puppet master with a thousand year plot backing him up. Anakin's chances were always going to be slim AF.
This was the best analysis I have ever heard. :) You come across as very experienced, analytical, and level-headed! I think this is what makes Star Wars great, as it's really like a family soap-opera set on the larger galactic scale.
Before Geonosis. Anakin still has both hands 🙌
I like to think this is right before they go and visit Padme on their mission to protect her.
@@FemboyTyco my guess is a little after that. They go to the temple to brief the council about Jango before Obi-Wan leaves for Kamino. It's the last time they are at the temple before he looses the arm to Dooku
@@RationalCatholic Omg true, thats even better!
I got the impression that Obi knew about Anakin's vision of his mother, and disregarded it or told him to ignore it. Had he or others the connection that the vision revealed Anakin would have both progressed faster, and saved his mother. Perhaps someone like Mace should have worked with him on his aggression and channeling darkside energies more effectively like he did, against those using them. Anakin would likely have been one other who could have mastered form 7 under the instruction of Mace without letting the darkside rule him. Encouraging him to develop the very talent which could have saved his mother would likely have saved him and given him the balance he needed to reform both the Jedi and Sith.
The Jedi were rich in Republic Credits. And as Watto has famously said: "Republic Credits? Republic Credits are no good out here. I need something more real."
3:23 hahahaha that's a great line and caught me completely of guard. Good work sir!
I think the biggest problem is that Anakin was Obi-Wan's first padawan, throw in the fact that with Qui-Gon's death he was not even able to ask his master for advice when he needed it. Not sure if Qui-Gon could have stopped his fall to the dark side if he survived but I imagine Anakin would not have hid his marriage from Qui-Gon, would also assume Obi-Wan would have still been fairly close to Anakin even if he was not his Master so Anakin would have had more people supporting him.
If the Jedi actually cared about the inviduals in their own organization then anakin would not have turned to the dark side . They literally treated him the same way the evil step mother treated Cinderella except she was honest about her intentions while the Jedi try to hide it as” following the rules of the order”
The jedi did care,did you forget that Anakin consciously chosed to marry Padmé ?Even if they more cared, it was his choice.Anakin was also a selfish dumb ass.He could have left the Jedi order and be publicly with Padmé and visited old force temples to get more knowledge.
@@damaskholdings9140 But if they truly cared, they wouldn't be teaching how to avoid the feelings that are associated with the dark side. They have never seemed to understand that avoiding the feelings "of the dark side" will only do more damage and make the younger people more susceptible to falling because they can't cope.
If they had psychologists or programs that could teach how to properly deal with the dark feelings then it could prevent a lot of issues with so many of the jedi that turned.
@@DarthDragon007 They never avoided feelings of the dark side,they are being told to control them
@@damaskholdings9140 Not like they teach that.
@@damaskholdings9140 if they cared then explain why Jedi like Dooku, Asajj Ventress, Barris Offee and even Anakin himself turned to the dark side and why Ahsoka left the order.
They were too full of themselves and that blinded them to what Palpatine had been doing all the time under their nose.
Thank you! I've been thinking for years someone could have saved Shmi. I get they probably didn't the Republic officially involved with Hutt slave stuff, but Padme or Jedi could have hired a bounty hunter and given them more than enough credits to buy Shmi's freedom. I am positive there is somewhere in Hutt Space that converts Republic credits to whatever the Hutts use. Boom Shmi is free. Padme seems like she would have somewhere on Naboo for Shmi to stay, at least until Anakin reaches Knighthood.
We’ll most people if not all people on tatooine are permanent residents so they would have no benefit trading for republic credits at some trading station neither party would benefit from having the other currency and the Jedis money came from the republic who supplied the Jedi with food water paid the people who worked at the temple (janitors and such) and just kept the temple running im not sure they could use there money to buy a slave and free her because I’m fairly confident the republic pretty much decided how the money was spent on the Jedi like the government decided what money is spent on the fbi rather than the organization and business wise it would be considered a personal matter rather than providing for the Jedi order
Aside from the technical reasons that luck had a green lightsaber in the Return of the Jedi, some nice symbolism that pops out with the prequels. People point out that had Quigon not died he'd have mentored Anakin, who probably wouldn't have fallen to the darkside then. Quigon had a green lightsaber and Obiwan had a blue one. Luke wielding a blue lightsaber and following Obiwan's example and past leads him towards destruction. Later though wielding a green lightsaber and following a path closer to what Quigon taught he is able to redeem Vader. So in a roundabout way with fan theory and hindsight and all it all kind of fits together nicely.
That's a really cool way to look at it
Anakin needed Qui Gonn. A father figure. If im not mistaken Lucas even said that had qui gonn lived, anakin would not have fallen to the dark side and even if he did, qui gonn could have brought him back with little effort.
The flashback scene is definitely before Attack of the Clones. Take notice of Anakin's lightsaber and his hands.
Hello there! As a huge Obi Wan fan I think you are spot on. Awesome analysis. Agree 100%! The Force will be with you...always.
Anikan was truly a very great person he was loving and caring and would give his life for others but he definitely had a major inner darkness that was never probably dealt with
The Jedi were so scared of the Dark, they blinded themselves with the Light. And thus, were unaware of the shadows they cast in their wake.
Damn, very well analysed. It’s a character many people, including myself, can personally relate to in one way or another.
my thought is that obi wan is somewhat learning anakin's need for love and connection, (especially connecting to leia in talking about his super faint memories of his mom, dad, and maybe a baby brother), but he probably can't or won't understand because he didn't understand in the OG trilogy. or at least, he didn't portray an understanding of those needs to Luke and the audience in episode 4
It would have been nice, but wouldn't have matched the character of someone who was established as having trained a young man into an ignorant weapon to kill his own father. Obi-wan needed to maintain a course of character that culminated in a person who uses "a certain point of view" as a justification, that he actually believes, for his actions. Never forget that Obi-wan was relatively the same character even up to Return of the Jedi, so anything that deviates from that (even as badass as it would be) would create problems that would leave the character as patchy by the end.
After listening I agree with your points. More than anyone Obi-Wan was in the best position to be emotionally there for Anakin. Honestly, just having him reveal his knowledge of Anakin and Padme's relationship, and being positive of it, might have made things much more different.
That said all of this also applies to the other Jedi. Their insistence towards detachment from emotions and connections really hurt them. It made them unable to comprehend what was happening around them.
Lacking emotional connections with other groups allowed them to fully delve into the Jedi Code, but it also eliminated the perspectives they would have gotten had they lived normal lives.
What it means to go hungry. What it means to work in a company that does not have the people's interest at heart as you see your co-workers mistreated. What it means to feel abandoned by political leaders as they say you matter, but don't enact change when you need it. What it means to fall in love, start a family, and figure out how to be a good spouse and parent. What it means to fall in love, struggle through a relationship that's not working out, face the pain of a break up, but then move on and eventually find someone. And so on.
The Jedi Order may not operate on things, but the rest of the galaxy does. How can one help the people, and bring them to harmony, if one doesn't understand them?
I think the Jedi Code biggest flaw, is more the execution, the true purpose of the code is to be non-bias, the detachment from emotions isn't to be void of them but to have full control of them and not allow them to take over. Though the jedi order constantly fail at that, as they went dogmatic and basically weaken their overall connection to the light side of the force. Plo Koon and Kit Fisto in the clone wars show are easy examples of what I think the code is SUPPOSED to mean, but everyone has their own interpretations of meaning of the code.
@@SuperGamefreak18 I agree, I believe that masters Plo Koon and Kit Fisto showed the true meaning of what the Jedi code should be. Whereas the other Jedi such as Mace Windu, Yoda, and others were too detached and too dogmatic. I also like how compassionate both of those Jedi masters were to others including Annakin and Asohka.
@@jmwilliamsart I also like to think that Yoda probably understood the code very well but his age, the long peace and the shadow in the force blinded him to the steps he was making until it was far too late. I always felt like Yoda was dogmatic as a result to mistakes he made in his past but overcorrected by becoming too rigid.
Well he leaned from Yoda, just about EVERY jedi alive from the conflict of Nabo till Yoda's death in episode VI, ignoring emotions and not really expressing connections or showing way to alter qnd funnel emotions to good even if there negative is what they learned.
So it's not really entirely Obi's fault. A large portion is the teachings...
"On of the best takers in the galaxy Qui-gon jin.
Hello what's going on here
Anakin needed a father more than a brother. And that’s something Obi-Wan could never be.
Agreed
Still all he needed to do was to give love. A brother should be able to do that. But apparently not Obi-Wan
So ppl are just supposed to forget Anakin telling Padme that Obi-Wan was a father to him, huh?
In the flashback scene you can see anakins lightsaber hilt which is the one he loses in episode II so it must be before the battle of geonosis
Amazing video.
Thank you so much for your attention and work Allen.
As a society we need to pay attention on our relationships with others. Contents like these are what we really need.
The duel was before the battle of geonosis because Anakin still has his 2 hands.
The flashback is from before the First Battle of Geonosis. Both used the lightsabers they had at the beginning of AotC, and Anakin still has his own hand.
Problem is Obi-Wan did not act like the father Anakin wanted as he always was critical of him and his ways, with Palpatine (despite being manipulative) filling in that role by giving him the acknowledgment and care and respect which Obi-Wan and the other Jedi did not give, which was why it was easy for Palpatine to turn Anakin to the dark side.
Great video Alan. Thanks
very well thought out!
It was before the battle of Geonosis. Anakin still has his flesh and blood right arm.
i love ur content keep up the good work
you can tell the flashback happens before episode 2 because he has his first lightsaber, which was lost during the film in the droid factory on geonosis
Really great video
Great video
Palpatine gained the Trust the friendship and more importantly the loyalty of Anakin, since childhood, in the Novel of RotS 2005, Obi-Wan states that "For Anakin, there is nothing more important than friendship. He is the most loyal man I have ever met- Loyal beyond reason, in fact despite all I have ever tried to teach him about sacrifice that are the heart of being a Jedi he. . . .he will never, I think, truly understand".
He looked at Yoda. " Master Yoda, you and I have been close since I was a boy. An infant. Yet if ending this war one week sooner-one day sooner-were to requiere that I sacrifice your life, you know I would."
"As You should" Yoda said. "As I would yours, young Obi-Wan. As any Jedi would any other in the cause of peace."
"Any Jedi," Obi-Wan said, "except Anakin."
💯 Tech I agree with you bro an you made me look at it from yet another perspective.
Honestly, there were so many ways Jedi and especially Obi Wan could have helped Anakin. Obi Wan considered Anakin as a brother but Anakin didn’t fully get that brotherly love/support that he should have gotten from Obi Wan because then he could have told Obi Wan about his fears of losing Padme. To me Anakin is such a tragic character who deserved more then he got. Also, I agree with everything you have said Alan and honestly I think you said it best. I did forget to mention that it didn’t help that the Jedi council had made Anakin question their choices on several occasions, for example kicking Ashoka out of the Jedi order before a proper investigation took place, also if Obi Wan told Anakin his plan of catching Cad Bane and not faking his death then Anakin wouldn’t have felt shunned/betrayed by the person who was a brother to him.
There are just so many other examples where the Jedi order/council not only fail Anakin and fail the people but they make Anakin lose faith in them. Anakin is definitely one of my favorite characters in the Star Wars franchise and I truly think that if the Jedi were a bit more empathetic and gave more support/care to Anakin then he wouldn’t have turned to palps who also used him just like the Jedi did (imo), but then we wouldn’t have gotten Darth Vader one of the best villains in history (again my opinion). Please do let me know if there are other examples of where Anakin loses faith in the Jedi, lets start a friendly and nonjudgmental conversation😇.
Pretty sure Anakin lost his arm on Geonosis. ......so DEFINITELY prior to that genius.
It's before geonosis if you look carefully it can be hard to see but anikin has both his hands in the flash back
The balance is strong with you, Alan Sage!
This, was brilliant..
Yoda said that Luke was to old to begin training. That’s was a test to see how much Luke wanted it. They new they needed Luke. They weren’t sure about Anakin.
Anakin Skywalker had the makings of being a great Jedi. Not just because he had a good nature, but he cared about others. He does have a very dark side that feeds his anger aggressiveness and reckless. Obi-Wan was sadly not up to the task to help Anakin over come his dark side, which eventually lead to Palpatine influencing him and taking advantage of the Jedi's teachings to flip Anakin to the Dark Side.
Again Anakin had the potential of being a great Jedi Master but was unable to contain his Dark Side and due to Obi-Wan treating him like a normal padwan and Palpatine influencing him. It was a matter of time before Anakin flipped.
0:42 Most definitely before the Battle of Geonosis, because he still have his human right hand.
Anakin really was a tragedy of the Jedi's main failing - they don't focus on love, connection, and positive emotion, but on being detached and avoiding emotional "entanglements."
If there is a break in Disney Star Wars content, I think Alan should take a detour and delve into the lore and episodes of the TV show "Flipper."
Hey Allen Love you and love the channel oh and also one thing and I really hope you make this a video what if the separatist recruited human and near human soldiers instead of using the droid army
here is something not alot of people think about: "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian." and Anakin is proof of that. only it doesnt mention a redemption arc, tho. :/ Anyways.. food for thought.
-Harvey Dent
the flashback duel between Obi-wan and Anakin is definitly before geonosis. Because Anakin still has both of his hands!
0:46 I don’t think this can be after the Battle of Geonosis because it appears in this scene that Anakin still has his first lightsaber. We know that one got destroyed on Geonosis, so this absolutely has to be before then.
You have to wonder if anakin would've fallen if ahsoka wasn't on mandalore, her leaving the order only further isolated him but if she had been there she might've been able to talk him down given her own doubts about the order
Her being kicked out of the Jedi Order which opened her up to possibly execution (We all know how Tarkin feels about Jedi) definitely pissed him off.
Obi-wan did realize his mistakes and how he failed anakin. Unlike anakin Obi-wan was indoctrinated as an infant by the jedi so he can't exactly help anakin with something he doesn't really have experience with. Obi-wan also doesn't seem to learn this lesson in a new hope so it wouldn't make sense for the series to be about that. The show was wonderfully made and did so much for the characters of obi-wan and anakin.
It seems to me that Obi-Wan had learned from some of his mistakes when he started instructing Luke, Anakin’s son. He was more patient, more compassionate, and less overly critical towards Luke than he was with Anakin. While it is true that Luke was more emotionally secure than Anakin, nonetheless it helped that Oni-Wan allowed Luke to be himself, and encouraged him to be the best that he could be. Luke in turn gave Anakin (Vader) what he truly needed, love, and compassion.
Great ‘tv’ series. Your review of this ‘Greek tragedy 🎭’ is well spoken
I'd say that scene was before Attack of the Clones. Anakin didn't appear to have his prosthesis yet.
It’s before the battle of Genosis because he still has his organic right hand.
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Obiwan was an incredible Jedi where quigon would have met approached Anakin with what Anakin needed. Not with what was good for the Jedi order.
The Jedi undermined anakin and sort of mentally abused him I do think it was partially the jedi’s fault for his turn to the dark side obviously palpatine didn’t help but the jedi did not help him and undermined him at every turn which eventually grew the hatred and confusion that palpatine turned to fear and lust for power.
It didn't help that Anakin was bullied by many of the younglings in his class, the Jedi should've had a zero-tolerance policy towards bullies.
@@nicholasmaude6906 the Jedi were very contradictory the specific one I can think of is the only sith deal in absolutes, but it’s literally all they had so many rules that were absolutes.
How did they undermine Anakin when he was as a Jedi Knight who was put in charge of his own clone battalion? He was by far the most famous Jedi during the Clone Wars, so your argument is certifiably bogus.
The greatest weapon of scale of the Jedi was compassion and because they didn't give it to their prophesied chosen one eventually LED to their downfall his master who should have given it instead of trying to mold him into the perfect Jedi should have tried to make sure he became himself as well as a great Jedi he needed a father figure in quagon jinn and had Qui-Gon lived he would have been unstoppable a true destroyer of evil and in the end in the end he did destroy the evil because of not giving compassion they couldn't save their champion but compassion came later from his own son and he in turned gained his compassion in humanity back and enough time to save the Galaxy when needed Great character already great study this has been a great video and more should see it you have a great one man I enjoyed it
Can we talk about the fact that we finally see anakin ram his lightsaber, something Luke would do to him later on the second Death Star.
The baggage scanner joke 👌😂
9:35 similar thing went down with the Primarch Of the 12th legion Angron from Warhammer 40k. He was the most empathic of the primarchs, landed on a planet where he was made to be a gladiator and refused to fight his father figure to the death.
They implanted a piece of tech that broke him so thoroughly, the pain didn’t stop except when he was in furious combat. He was a drooling, savage rage monster and a failure, the only one of his brothers who didn’t conquer their world (though honestly I kinda look sideways at Mortarion and Perterabo’s “victories” as sort of half measures)
Not only that, but during a rebellion against the overlords of the world he was living on, Big E arrived and pretty much forced Angron to watch as his bros were murdered.
Obi Wan & Anakin Skywalker Are not Jedis they are Brothers. Same for Ewan McGregor & Hayden Christensen. Thats the Real reason They did not use some PC Tech to make them 20 Years Yonger again in the Fight. McGregor & Hayden Christensen are now on the Stage again after 20 years. And that to me is more then Cool its BROMANCE :>
As a counsellor (Putting my professional hat on) I'll start off with "Systems fail when they do not tap into the needs of their clients" Here we have a boy who was basically born into slavery, punishments were not regulated or limited and that a slave's life was cheap. Being a child he had some questionable adult figures that took advantage of his unique abilities and often placed him in very risky and dangerous situations (Watto and Pod Racing) the kid had a traumatic beginning to his life. His only safety came from his mother and even she was beheld to being submissive. This is where I might get a bit of argument. Through this traumatic childhood Anakin can be observed as developing Borderline Personality Disorder. He has difficulty controlling anger, stress-related breaks (fear of losing his mother and when he did, he took out an entire Tuscan tribe; and not just the men but the women and the children!) hence his obsession with abandonment, Patterns of intense and unstable interpersonal relationships and going from extremes of ideation and devaluation; Watch how he sees Padme "Are you an Angel?" then courts Padme and then later compare that to when he force chokes her with no regard of her pregnancy. How he was easily manipulated by Palpatine just because he was shown some trust and how palatine played into his self worth. Borderline Personality Disorder can show the symptom of "You are a friend and I love you but if you cross me I'll destroy you" It's not only the Sith that deal in absolutes! As you pointed out, the Jedi did not handle his attachment issues, I wouldn't even say well, they full on neglected it due to their rigid teachings. Dooku bested Anakin and he wanted to make him pay, he made him not look like the "Chosen one", which is why it was easy for Palpatine to get him to lob his head off. This led Anakin down the path where he took out the jedi temple "Tuscan Raider style". As the years went on after he became Darth Vader the gloves were off for a while, Snapping necks left right and centre if anyone failed him for the last time. He focussed his attachment from being loved to being feared and he hated the Emperor most of all. Luke showed him an ounce of kindness and being a much older Anakin, he had begun to learn how lonely his life was again plus how much he really hated Palpatine. Anakin needed more help with his emotional regulation, treatment can take years but they handed him a lightsaber and he became a Padawan groomed to be a Knight. This dude really needed to work with plants or healing where gratitude from patients could have eased his attachment and feelings of self-worth. If Anakin was the one to bring "Balance" to the force why was he put into a position that would bring much of anything by conflict? The Jedi System failed him by missing or flat out neglecting the signs of his imbalance. One can't provide balance to others if they themselves need help. If you got this far in my comment; thank you for reading my Ted Talk 😜
I believe that your analysis is very spot on regarding Anakin.
@@jmwilliamsart Thank you😊 I also made a discussion once on how Batman shows signs of Post Traumatic Growth but that takes even longer to explain😅
Definitely agree.
its before the battle of geonosis as anakin has both hands
Best move is Obi-wan did was dying with a smile after saving a tortured Leia with Luke. He essentially played it to the point. Making Anakins have his kids see who vader is. Luke and Leia had just been tortured & familes+Planet massacred/destroyed and in comes kebo. Doing his mission alone while all others went for Leia and then give them time to see vader cutting a none fighting Obi-wan who have saved both before and risked his life. Imagine being him, only jedi to beat this guy twice and in the third turns into a fkn ghost who can keep trolling. I have no doubt he felt very pleased with himself to go out with a smile and become a ghost.
Why didn't Palpatine take control of Shmi? That would be logical to at least keep her under surveillance, keep her ready to bring back to Corscant, to use her to drive a wedge between Anakin and the Council.
I always wondered why the Jedi do not free Shmi but now that I found the answer, I am horrified! It's their way of upholding equality! I know equality is important but I guess that if peace can be used as an excuse to do bad things, so does equality. If the Jedi freed one slave, the peoples may asked why are they freeing just one? Why just this one? Why not the others? And if they answered that it is because she is the Mother of the Chosen One, that will pissed basically everyone who heard that a lot because Jedi are supposed to be keepers of peace and equality. So if they played favoratism because Anakin is the Chosen One, they may save Anakin from falling to the Dark Side. But Palpatine might gain an army of Dark Acolytes with great hatred towards Anakin and the other Jedi who stand by him like Obi-wan and Ahsoka. So now just imagine this scenario. An army of Sith Assassins and Sith Warriors in services of Count Dooku and Darth Sidious during the time of Clones Wars and the reign of the Galactic Empire.
Most likely Shinmi would due way worst in this alternate timeline
The mistake Disney has been making is taking on board the wrong criticism,
It's understandable though, with the internet and millions of opinions, it can be difficult to know which ones are the best for the franchise,
The issue is most likely where they are looking, probably places like twitter,
I personally feel for Disney to be successful with Star Wars they should take a look at channels such as Generation Tech, Star Wars theory and a couple of the other top channels,
I'd even suggest they consulted with one another.
There's several reasons for this, I'll note 5 although there's many more.
1: These creators have a love for Star Wars.
2: They have a ton of Knowledge on both Canon and Legends.
3: Have written their own ideas/theories/stories.
4: They understand the characters, their motives, behaviors and relationships.
5: The videos made have a very good audience reception (particularly by SW fans so it pools all of the target audience in one place)
10:31 EXACTLY!
WELL actually... Lando blew up the 2nd deathstar with the millennium falcon, so even if Luke joined the emperor, or died by force lightning... the deathstar would still blow up with them inside.
*Unless the emperor goes like "Luke joined us just as planned, btw let's rush to the shuttle boys everyone for themselves!!"
Qui-gon probably would have gone back for anakin's mother after the battle of naboo, and if i can recall correctly padmè sent sabè to free the slaves on tattooine but was unable to find shmi as she had been already sold to the lars family.
Viewers: man CZcams recommendations are being boring lately-
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I think Obi-Wan was a very loving individual to Anakin; after all...he considered him like a brother. If the Clone Wars series taught us anything...the two were practically inseparable. The problem was Obi-Wan offered a very grounded, realistic kind of love. Relationships are messy...because as much as we love others we all have our own shortcomings and our own selfish needs to take care of. Palpatine, on the other hand, offered Anakin something that wasn't real but was what Anakin longed for. He preyed on his pride and greed.
It's before Attack Of Clones. He still has both his hands
Obi-wan at the time he was training Anakin wasn't equipped to give him what he really needed. He was trained in the Jedi way and had no experience of family life.
Simple kept him away from Palpatine all together, Anakin was behind the other Jedi younglings his age so focusing purely on his studies and keeping him in the Temple
“i’m no psychologist but i did once go through an airport baggage scanner head first”
WHAT
Anakins fall could have been avoided if they had just treated him like the chosen one like they told him he was.
the flashback scene was of pre episode 2 because anakin had both hands still
I've always though the notion of having np parents and no attachments was dumb. Every child needs good parents for emotional stability.
Maybe dolphins are like anakin, they just need better guidance from humanity and not to be judged on the past but nurtured into a better future
I honestly think the flashback duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin happened chronologically just before the scene where Anakin is complaining to Padme about Obi-Wan holding him back. Sadly, I think Anakin was doomed from the moment the Jedi didn’t alter how they dealt with Anakin to account for his age/background/pre-existing trauma. He needed a gentle hand and guidance, not to be forced into a mould.