The Jedi's Greatest Mistake with Anakin
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2020
- It's rather easy to imagine all the ways in which the Dark Side lured Anakin through promises of great power and rewards but it's not so simple to consider the part the Jedi played in inspiring his betrayal. Today we look at one crucial mistake they made that might have been the straw that broke the Jedi's back.
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One interesting thing is that Palpatine trys to make Sith and Jedi seem similar. When he orders Anakin to kill Dooku, he says "he is too dangerous to be kept alive". When Windu is about to kill Palpatine, Windu says exactly the same. That was the final moment Anakin realized that Jedi and Sith have no difference to him anymore. Confronted with the betrayel of the code by Windu and the possibility to save Padme, he made his choice
Yeah it's well done, they did that to show that the jedi weren't really Jedi anymore, they were controlled by fear and motivated by anger just like the sith.
Dooku was the only good guy in the prequels besides Qui-gon, they were the only ones balanced between light and dark.
Dooku even tried to enlist Obi-wan to stop Palpatine in Attack of the Clones, but Obi-wan in his blind arrogance and stupidity refused to listen.
Dooku has lost is two hands he could no longer defend himself. for Palpatine he was throwing force lightning who can kill, he also has a second lightsaber but is it is political power who where the most dangerous. He control all the republic(empire). In real live is like if you has wish to arrest hitler, you will have fail the historien will have think you has a fool. In the Jedi code there no motion of justice, protection at all. Mace was right to try to kill palpatine but his error was to trust anakin he should have ask why did he reveal he was a Sith and is persuasion. Most people think the Jedi should stay peacekeyper but there wrong Jedi are warrior with a army to protect the galaxie. the greatess error was to let Papatine has power, has he refuse he will the prime supect.
Nice. I missed this---as well as the moral conflict imposed on Anakin by spying ( as discussed in this video). I always thought it bothered Anakin only because he viewed Palpatine as a father figure and thus was emotionally attached. I never thought of Anakin as being young and naive and truly confused by these apparent contradictions. But it makes sense if you think of him as lost and looking for both moral and personal anchors.
So true
And people wonder why I didn’t like the Jedi Council
the dead should be silent, master.
To be fair, Master Qui-Gon, by that point in time they were effectively blinded by their own hubris. Both sides needed to be purged if true peace was to be had. Reorganize the Jedi & Sith into a....Force Council and make the mandate to teach both sides and not just one, that way you can have a Balanced Force. And for Force's sake, keep out of Politics! NO ONE is clean in that lair of Scum&Villany....
generalnawaki being dead and being one with the force are two completely different things
Johnny Sizemore I literally wanted that but I got shunned out Bc I was “unorthodox”
@@masterqui-gonjinn90 it didn't mean you were wrong....
“You are on the council, but we do not grant you the rank of master.”
Anakin: "WTF Mace?!"
Honestly he shouldn't been on the council either, he should have just been happy with that.
He was their best general who lead some of the most bloody and dangerous battles to victory, was one of their best fighters who trained one of the best padawans, and one of the strongest in the force, plus he was vary well received both politically and universally. Based off his battle record alone he should have been promoted to a master. If you want the final nail in the coffin prong krell and luminara were Jedi masters and they defently did not deserve their position because in the end they both failed spectacularly but in different ways.
Kevin d it is strikingly bizarre that the Jedi council would refuse to grant Anakin the rank of master. I can only think of two or three general reasons for the veto.
1.) the council found Anakin was not worthy of the title yet.
2.) his age or tenure within the Jedi order (the dumbest reason I admit but still a possibility)
3.) politics; simple political BS. For example, to jab at Palpatine to show that the Jedi are not his to command. Anakin was given a seat as an ambassadorial representative of Palpatine (well one theory anyway). Thus making Anakin a political pawn in their game.
@@chadsmith8966 agreed and the worst part is, like i mentioned they made some daft choices. who the fuck would ever think it would be a good idea to make luminara and prong krell a master. doku and mace were understandable, they were just ruff around the edges but they were fearlessly loyal (until they werent) exsteamly smart and versiotso of their craft. but prong krel is literally a piece of shit, who was shown to never be a nice person and was executed as a traitor by his own clones without the need for order 66 because thats how evil of a person he was. while luminara was fanatical, hard headed, uninspired and hardset person (also a murderer, she had a surprising amount of civilian casualties in her battles that she nor the jedi ever took account for) who drove her exsteramly bright and talented padawan into insanity. worse part is unlike anikan you cauld see this coming from miles away, anikin you just got wifs here and their (excluding the sand people of course but their prity much territorial bandits who rape and murder for a living so that one can slide). hell i would not have been surprised if asoka or baris beat him to master (if she didnt leave, or turn trator) and by the end of the clone wars their both just 17 and a freshly minted jedi knight
the fatal mistake was assuming that bringing balance to the force would be a good thing when the current distribution of power was strongly in favor of the jedi.
remember: when Anakin finished what he was chosen for, there were two sith, and two Jedi: a master and an apprentice.
No.
When Anakin "finished what he was chosen for" there was only one, Luke Skywalker. And he was not trapped by the flaws of either the Jedi or the Sith.
He did not suppress his feeling, nor was he a slave to them. He was "in balance" and would therefor bring balance to The Force.
Luke Skywalker was not the last of the old Jedi, he was the first of the new ones ... and that is why the Disney sequel trilogy sucks, it is in direct conflict with the prequel and original trilogy.
@@Grubnar I'm inclined to disagree. I see the prequel trilogy as Anakins destiny, and the original trilogy as Luke's destiny. I don't disagree that the VII-IX trilogy was poorly written and missed the mark in many ways, though.
however, the point that the Jedi interpreted Anakin's "bring balance to the force" destiny through the filter of their own desires stands.
@@kenbrown2808 "the point that the Jedi interpreted Anakin's "bring balance to the force" destiny through the filter of their own desires stands."
That it does!
@@Grubnar Luke was what the force wanted it's users to be, grey. not like or dark.
Dude this is a good point
A good therapist would have saved everything. The Jedi didn't ever tell Anakin how to face, process and get past his trauma. They only ever said "let it go" and anyone who's experienced trauma will tell you that's NOT how it works... ever. If the Jedi believed in therapy Anakin likely wouldn't have fallen.
For real, I wish I could just "let go" of my anxiety or "let go" of my bad lifestyle habits.
It's a lot harder than that phrase suggests.
@@mechengr1731 - because you don't have to let go, you have to fight and correct those things, it is called "shadow work". You can't run away from your internal problems because they always come back, that's why we all have to conquer them, that's the message behind the hero's journey, internal growth.
No matter how many pills we take, or bottles we drink, the demon will come back until we decide to defeat it.
Go read the famous quote from the oracle of delphi, about knowing yourself, i don't want to miss quote it.
I hope you overcome that, good luck, you will only achieve it with effort, with shadow work, and it's very hard.
It’s like they told him to man up and get over it. Something he could not
@@abdulazimnaushadand then it adds an extra layer of insecurity that Palpatine easily noticed as well.
Clone wars series shows Anakin's emotional side and his conflict with the Jedi , sith and he own path far better then the movies do
Agreed but that's the normal advantage of a tv series you can show how a characters views can change and justify a big change to characters
@that's nice I to love movie Anakin but why I love the tv series one more is because his views on politics, the war and clones is really flushed out to me. Plus it shows the friendship that obi wan referenced in a new hope very well to in my opinion. Ahsoka i also reslly enjoyed seeing him with as it showed how dark he was willing to go to save her foreshadowing what he would do for padme.
Yes the 2003 clone wars series showed Anakin maturing and why he did what he did
If a code cannot survive its own principals, what good is it?
"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer."
Yes, this question is fundamental to the video.
That Javik quote always gives me the chills
Batman: you aren't trying hard enough
Your beliefs become your thoughts, Your thoughts become your words, Your words become your actions, Your actions become your habits, Your habits become your values, Your values become your destiny. ~ Gandhi
2:13 The jedi didn't care that Anakin slaughtered the Tuskan's, only that he was pissed off while doing it. And they call themselves peace keepers.
Years later the prequels are still being deciphered, while the new Disney trilogy is already forgotten.
Damm the sequels became irrelevant fast.
Disney Soy Wars ain't worth being used as toilet paper. Maybe as torture techniques at Guantanamo Bay.
@@akumaking1 such as a cockmeat sandwich wich to name one
Because the prequels were good films, the first two were decent but nothing special but revenge of the sith is the best Star Wars movie yet and an excellent movie in its own right. The sequels aren’t even good on their own.
@@hitandruncommentor all 3 of the Prequel films were great story wise
"I'm no genocide apologist, I don't even like the NBA" Funniest thing i've heard all week
Obi Wan: YOu WerE tHE cHoSEn OnE
Anakin:
Palpatine: No Noo
All of the Jedi and sith had to die to do this. Wiping out the Sith alone would of made the system more imbalanced.
"Embody your Virtues or be judged by them."
-Unknown
Leťs summarize what Jedi order knew at the end of Phantom Menace:
One Sith have fallen be Master or Apprentice doesnt matter, because either Apprentice died so master required new one or master died and Apprentice became master and required Apprentice. (As dictate rule of two).
There is this new boy some say he Is chosen one anyway he has potential to become very powerful Force user.
He is however really old by your Standards and have developed strong connection to his mother.
You know location of his mother and she Is slave of someone who is willing to sell her if you pay enough.
Reason why you train very young children Is because connection to loved ones can lead to dark side.
So my question wtf council just left his mother where she was and didn't get her and place under Jedi protection somewhere where Anakin will not find her if you have fear from negative effect she could have on him.
Also why give him as Padawan to Someone who was Padawan himself like few hours ago and on top of that he had master who used controversial methods
I think Qui Gon's methods being seen as controversial speak more about the current placement of the jedi council along the spectrum rather than on Qui Gon considering he ascended to being a force ghost.
EXACTLY. I've said time and time again that most of the trouble could have been avoided if they had just rescued his mother too. Just in a place where Anakin would not be concerned for her. There were other things the Jedi ignored that could have been avoided the outcome that happened as well.
I always thought "Why not save them both?"
I've always believed that the sith lord planned all this. Acting when and how he did he knew how the Jedi would act and when he saw Ankin the way he was acted with it
That's why I Love Kreia from KOTOR. She challenged the beliefs & motives of both the Jedi & Sith.
Great use of Shakespear, and the genocide apoligist line was wicked funny.
I'll argue that the fatal mistake was the very creation of the jedi code in the first place. The fact that they had to break it may have pushed anakin along the way to the dark side but that's only due to the code's flawed nature.
Gotta say this script for this vid was inspiring. Great job.
These foreign films are so weird sometimes. Hopefully they'll have an English translation soon.
(j/k, this was a well-researched breakdown. The Jedi had become so thoroughly corrupt that it took an existential threat and an outsider for them to even see it.)
Due to his upbringing Anakin remained very much a person of the material galaxy, not the spiritual, and Yoda's talk of the idea of letting go and accepting that at some point, the people he loves will die, only seemed to disillusion him further. He was hardly alone in that- plenty of others resigned or went Dark over the compromises the Order made during the Clone Wars. This is likely because the Code wasn't written to cover these kinds of situations- being forced to take the frontline in a galaxy-spanning war, a government that is secretly a Sith Lord powerful enough to conceal his presence. The rule about following the legitimate Galactic government conflicts with everything they know about the Sith Lords of the past, and created a paradox that they could not overcome in time to save themselves, or their democracy.
The Fatal Mistake made by the Jedi was to become involved in military action in the Clone War in the first place. Wars are not won by Justice or Principles, they are won by using every advantage and dirty trick available to you, something the Jedi Code would have opposed on a fundamental level.
The Jedi were remarkably effective peacekeepers. This did not mean they were well suited to fighting a war. Doubly so when the war itself was a tool of the Sith, structured in order to scatter, weaken and eliminate the Jedi en mass. They should have removed themselves from the conflict and attempted to negotiate peace by sending envoys to the member states of the confederacy, cutting the Sith out of their position of power. After all, if they never stepped in at Geonosis, then only two Jedi at most would have died and the remainder could have declared their neutrality and intent to negotiate a peace that would serve all interests. Provided, of course, that the war began at all; the battle of Geonosis was the inciting incident of the war, and it is not certain if the confederacy would have had the collective will to initiate a war without some form of attack by the Republic...
if the jedi has refuse to enter in the war, Palpatine will have say that they are traitor who is behind the war.
@@sg-qs2mi If the Jedi avoided the Battle of Geonosis, the war may never have started.
In that time period, the Jedi were best known as negotiators and peacekeepers. A simple declaration to the Senate that they would attempt to broker a peace agreement would have been accepted, particularly since the Jedi were not part of the existing military structure, and the Judicial Forces could have easily provided the initial officer corps for the new Clone Army. The only reason the Jedi were forced into the war was because they sacrificed 200 Jedi to save three people...
@@Jacen32272 sorry to tell you this but the moment that they decide to kill obi-wan who hunt a bounty hunter who try to kill a senator. worst when they decide to kill senator Amidala it is declaration of war.
Jedi were best known as negotiators and peacekeepers : they are more know to do what the senate want.
The only reason the Jedi were forced into the war was because they sacrificed 200 Jedi to save three people: no the jedi don't have the power to decide to enter in war. one of them was senator Amidala. the senate could have say that it was the Jedi who try to save there member and the republic don't want war. All this without declared there separation from the republic. All the people always critic the Jedi but the Jedi obey to the senate they serve it but you could say they are slave to it. so when palpatine ask them to me general... they accept.
You raise fantastic points about the Jedi's ethical dilemmas and how they failed to solve them in a coherent manner. Thank you for sharing this.
George Lucas' story is heavily anchored in reality. As I pass the 50 years treshold, I also felt along the way there is so much evil at every corner that I don't care anymore who is guilty, who is very gulty or just a little guilty. There are moments when I become too tired of the countless petty machinations that I surprise myself thinking " Everyone is guilty, details don't matter anymore". This is what Anakin felt when he succombed numerous times. Personally, I solve this state of mind by remembering that it is not up to me to judge my peers and I have to find ways to go on with my life.
“Take a SEAT.”
Being a force sensitive with emotions is a paradoxical relationship. That couldn’t have anything to do with it? The Force is a living god that gives those few access to theoretically absolute power even dictators would be creaming to get. Falling to the dark side is an absolute unless the force sensitives are trained to repress their emotions like Vulcans. The code lives in accordance with the axioms of the Force, and that’s an absolute for all force sensitives lest they fall.
The more materialistic Jedi we see in the movies were in violation of their own code, and for that the Force allowed their destruction, acting against them since the war began.
I read the fuck out of those words
Luke's strength is emotion and feeling. It gave him the power of the dark side, but always pulled him back from the brink.
Special EDy thats truly amazing considering you say that, because both canon and legends show him nearly destroying his Jedi order. In legends his students kept falling to the dark side and creating imbalance, and in canon Luke isolated himself for the same reasons why they keep falling; if you don’t live by the axioms of the Force, it will turn against you. The insidious force is a canonical philosophy in Star Wars, and there’s little to dissuade anyone from it once they realise it. Luke realised it, both in canon and legends, that he simply played a part in an endless cycle of conflicts between the light and the dark all propagated by the Force in its desire for balance. Obviously, their reactions were quite different in both universes. In the EU, Luke believed that Jedi needed to play an active role on maintaining balance, actively seeking to do things in society to help in any way they can, unlike the Jedi order before the purge. Luke in canon fell into nihilism, realising that he is just another avatar in a series of conflicts that have played themselves out over and over. The KOTOR 2 game is all about seeing a different side to Star Wars, it teaches you another side to the Force, if you’re willing to listen.
The Jedi were corrupted, the codes were questionable.
In my fanfic
The Jedi have fore filled the prophecy of the man of the men sons of Cain destroyed by the flood, along with there temple for fill the prophecy of the Tower of Babel
The warning came from my force sensitive that found earth books and relics and was intent to find earth
The last line of the video was so correct on so many levels that unfortunately flies over the heads of so many people. Thankfully it does appear that people are waking up to the manipulations of the powers that be in life and hopefully we can see it happen occasionally throughout the SWU as well.
Really like this vid. It’s whole feel is just awesome
That lot of big word for me small brain
I see the Jedi making a fundamental mistake in conflating being just with seeking justice. The two are not coterminus. WW2 is a great example. The Nazi's & Imperial Japan embodied injustice. In seeking to right that wrong, the Allied engaged in all manner of injustice themselves. The allies committed grievous war carimes in the pursuit of justice. Perhaps the ultimate warrior in the cause of justice is doomed to be a modern day Moses. He can look upon the just state he helped create, but isn't fit to truely reside there.
Exactly the dark saw the lights way as a leverage 😥
Thank you, Mark Antony.
😂*dead*
great video essay American Ben
I disliked how the film changed the request by the Jedi Council from how it was characterized in the novelization.
In the novel, the Jedi Council was convinced that Darth Sidious was hiding within the Chancellor’s inner circle.
Obi-Wan had asked Anakin to observe the Chancellor to see if he was being influenced by a Sith Lord.
Anakin initially objected, just like in the film, but Obi-Wan convinced him that the request was being made to PROTECT the Chancellor.
If Anakin was convinced that he was spying on the Chancellor, then why did he report to Master Windu where Darth Sidious was hiding?
He reported to Master Windu because his primary mission had originally been to protect the Chancellor by observing him.
When Anakin found Sidious in the film, he should have struck him down on the spot, just like he did Dooku.
The discovery confirmed the Council’s worst fears, and Anakin hated Darth Sidious.
He hesitated because he had a deep emotional connection with the Chancellor.
Dang homie. This video is top tier
P.S.- I would love to see one of these Fan films touch on the argument you are making. To have a Jedi question the councils bad judgements during the prequels.
Hands down... The JEDI is the reason why Anakin fell. His whole childhood to teenager years and then adult, it totally led him to the dark side. They refused to see the real problem. It’s sad because they just shut Anakin out his whole life. Even Obi-wan. No one really listened or tried to help him but to only do this in the “Jedi way”. They ultimately created Vader. Palpatine was just using this and knew this. All Sidious did was nudge him for ten years from time to time and it was formed. That’s why I always will be more Sith. Jedi were way too ignorant and blind. They completely lost their way. I’m sorry, how is not having love a problem to the light side? That’s crap. It’s balance. I’ll never understand how having love would be a problem...
Imagine if there were already little to no Jedi left thanks to Darth Revan's actions instead of Vader and Sidious's actions. Happily ever after for Anakin?
They didn't grant him the rank of master
Bruh r/prequelmemes has ruined me, i couldnt help but laugh at 2:51
I personally think the counsel would have never promoted anakin as they never wanted him trained to begin with. No matter the situation they were already heavily biased against him so most would not have wanted him to be a master. Most did not like him being promoted to jedi knight and as we all know the only reason they did was due to their own choices on geneonsis wiping out most of their strongest in the first battle so they were short handed. They would have gladly kept him down so his hostilities with them would have grown no matter what. But that's just my opinion.
Probably. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. Anakin was just a tool to them.
@@Vietmac1993 Imagine if like in the fan manga Ultra Vegito, the Jedi remnants confess that what they did was because they thought the Skywalker bloodline was never EVER supposed to exist. Like with Beerus telling GT Goku point blank that he should have died as a baby at the hands of Frieza. If this becomes canon in the SWVerse imagine what would Ahsoka's face would be. Would she go Dark Side like Ani but WORSE?
What are you talking about? He wasn't a master because he wasn't ready.
Ben can you please cover the universe, lore, tech, of Ice Pirates?
It's a double-edged sword.
'When I am weak, I ask for freedom because that is according to your principles. When I am strong, I deny you freedom because that is according to mine.' (paraphrased, but still.)
One thing crossed from bucket list.
It's true!
You bring up a really good point that I think actually goes far further than you talk about in this video. I've said it before, but the Jedi because a total representation of Yoda's personal interpretation of the Force and Jedi Code. The High Council elect those who believe in things the same way they do (See: Qui-Gon Jinn not being a Council member) and Yoda had hundreds of years as a High Council member and then the Master of the Order and finally Grand Master to shape the Council and Order into reflecting his own personal interpretation. It became a perpetual cycle where each new generation of Jedi became more indoctrinated by Yoda's values to the point where anyone who saw the Force or Jedi Code in a different light was automatically seen as a maverick and causing waves.
And it is this echo-chamber environment that allowed Sidious to easily predict everything the Jedi would do not only during the Clone War but also with Anakin.
Anakin would see High Council members who had wives and children yet his own mother would be abandoned. See, the thing with asking Anakin to spy on Palpatine was it came on the heels of being granted the position of Council member but not the rank of Master. That's a purely political move. This is the moment Anakin sees the Jedi are playing politics with his life and the lives of his wife and unborn children (even if they don't know about the relationship). And Anakin doesn't care about the position, he cares about the rank because it is the rank that would get him into the archives and look for ways to save Padme. This is compounded by the fact the High Council don't understand Anakin sees Palpatine as a friend and non-Jedi mentor. The High Council are asking him to betray someone for political/power reasons.
Added into the entire mix is that Anakin is a firm believer in the consolidation of power.
So we have an Order who is playing politics with the life of an emotionally damaged member who then asks that same member to spy on the man in charge of their society's way of life. A man who is also seen by the member as a family friend. And this is all asked of Anakin by his own Master and "brother" Obi-Wa. The Jedi don't just break their code in Anakin's eye during this entire sequence, they utterly shred on it and spit on every personal sacrifice Anakin has made (actual or imagined).
I believe you are correct.
In short, the jedi became hypocrites and destroyed the credibility of the rules they follow by accidentally implying it doesn't work when reality hits.
When Anakin killed the tuskin raiders I totally got it. And they did evil things. That was an act of justice.
It was an act of revenge, carried out in a rage. While there may have been justice to a point, Anakin didn't have to kill every single sand person.
@@andrewolson5471 Yes at the time it was rage. But they as a culture saw nothing wrong with torture,murder,and theft. What they did to his Mom was sadistic. Generations of sand people doing the same thing. Was there one or two sand people that were different? Probably. But how many other innocent lives were saved by his actions. Mind you I'm the type of person to also feel bad for the average German/Russian/Japanese person during and after WW2. Monsters do exist in our world. And those monsters can't be changed.
@@keller1334 But what if this moment backfired?? Would we get a Last of Us pt2-esque plot?? If true then they would be the Abby to Anakin's Ellie lol
Woo! I like this!
No shit.
"Well, Anakin, looks like you'll never see your mother again."
"Wait, aren't you like, space cops?"
"Yes."
"Well, my mother is being illegally held as a slave. Tatooine is not outside of your jurisdiction, even though they like to pretend that they are. Isn't it your duty to rescue her and the other slaves."
"It is the will of the Force".
Screw the decision to make him spy on the Chancellor. The real fault begins way back in Episode 1, when they turned their backs on the victims of oppression because they were too lazy to do something about it.
Well that's true!
I stand by everything.
Who would win in a fight between Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader? ?? ?
I remember this fellow making a video like this does anyone have a link to it.
Ben, them guns are looking solid. You work out bro?
The mistake was recruiting him, if he wasn't taken from tatooine all the gungans would have been killed off.
dudes are so underrated
I’m not sure if you’re subtle messages got through to most. I do appreciate it though.
👍👍
Great analysis. I never picked up on these ethical issues. Very timely given our politics today. Also I had not considered the mental state of a character like Anakin, a person lost and looking for personal and psychological anchors. I suppose this is how radicals are born.
I love your thoughts on this. I always talk about why I really didn’t care much for Jedi. I always loved the Grey Jedi and Sith way more. I always felt that majority of them were truly in touch with the force but just their beliefs were misshaped and distorted. Their selfishness held them from being even better. Jedi were the same but just hypocritical and contradictory when it worked for them. They lacked so much passion and true connection to the force at that time in the New Republic. They lost their way. So stuck and still refused to see this even when Clone Wars came about. Even when Qui-Gon consistently reminded them of the Force. They were all very arrogant. That ultimately led them to this and Vader.
That NBA line... Dude I love you
The Jedi were the ones that destabilize the force. Their abandonment of the darkside and embracing only the light side of the force caused the Darkside to become centralized into a few making them very powerful. Then those Sith would kill most of the Jedi until they themselves were killed bring balance back.
This cycle happens over and over again through time in the galaxy. In some books this idea is explored with the Jedi that fled during the events of Revenge of the Sith.
Those Jedi learned that both sides need to be embraced in order to maintain balance. This is actually seen in the recent movies as well, were the darkside with Ren and Ray being both sides of the same Force coin.
Great comment but you lost me at “in the recent movies”....those characters and you mentioned don’t exist in my world! Lol
Your first sentence hands down explains everything with the Chosen One.
I would posit that absolute power, corrupts absolutely and it is nature's way of things to have empires rise and fall. What comes out of the ashes may be better or worse but the balance is restored and the process begins anew...
If Count Dooku told Obi - Wan Kenobi that Darth Sidious aka Chancellor Palpatine was in control of the Galactic Republic, then why didn't Obi - Wan tell Anakin about that situation in Revenge of the Sith?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Its more apparent in clone wars
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Came for a star wars video, got a lesson in philosophy 😊
“Anakin became a Jedi Knight. He served valiantly in the Clone Wars. His fall to darkness was more his choice than anyone else’s failure. Yes, I bear some responsibility and perhaps you do, too, but Anakin had the training and the wisdom to choose a better path. He did not.”
- Obi-Wan Kenobi
Tipical Obi-Wan always blaming others for what the Jedi Council did. Honestly why does he defend the Jedi despite everything they did was wrong
@@user-dr7eq1lx5v "You have allowed this dark lord to twist your mind, until now... until now you've become the very thing you swore to destroy."
- again Obi-Wan Kenobi
The hell are these " brushes n combs" you speak of? We rock our mops wookie style.
The jedai code only worked if you were a monk. Living in a monestary in the midle of nowhere.
Their mistake was not rescuing Anakin’s mother. How hard would it be? I’m sure they had the wealth to buy her.
He was a slender reed to expect to support the whole Jedi order.
this whole video is an explanation of the concept of Machiavellian.
Was the Jedi Order partially to blame, the answer would have to be yes. It played a role in it, and to be quite honest I think it goes back even further then what this video showed.
Lets start with the Anakin first meeting the council as a child. At this time Anakin had been separated from his mother who was still a slave on Tatooine, they had said he was full of inner conflict and was too old. Of course he has inner conflict he was just a kid with an unknown fate of not only his own well being but his mother's as well. What's more is that the council was prepared to turn him away, leaving him effectively isolated and abandoned with no where to turn to. Granted Qui-Gon and Obi-wan were both there and had decided to at the very least keep an eye on him while he was with them, but still doesn't change the fact that the order itself with it's more available resources were fine with literally abandoning a child and leaving them out the cold. Least that's probably how Anakin would have seen it being that young and after he'd been through to that point. So already have some resentment there.
Next would be his peers treatment of him, in some of the novelizations and comics there times that fellow padawans would belittle him for being born in the Outer Rim Territories and being a slave. Granted Anakin to my recollection seemed to not let this get to him too much, but it's clear there is bias atmosphere when it comes to one's origins to some degree. Schools here have similar click based groups when it comes to students, similar principle would probably exist in the order since it is also setup to be an academy. So there are bound to be actual classrooms for lessons not pertaining to the force, but to things like understanding civilizations, languages, mathematics, astrogating and navigation, survival, basic first aid, history, sciences, and a plethora of other subjects that could be studied more in-depth either in a classroom or in the library. Anakin would probably have been forced to work harder to prove himself to an already bias council, and bias peers would add to the stress. So another tick to the score card.
Third would have to been the Order's role in the war when in comparison to the Order's code, truth be told the whole Jedi code is a contradiction into itself on a very fundamental level when compared to the Order's actions as a whole. Looking at the code from the philosophical side means in truth the Jedi shouldn't fear darkness, not embrace it but not fear it. It's derived to be more understanding the force as a whole, meaning both light and dark. To be accepting of it in it's entirety rather then a part of it, doesn't mean you have to use the dark side if you don't want to. But understanding it's nature and it's abilities would be sufficient enough so that should someone use it you know how to deal with it. The Order doesn't do this, they literally "FEAR" the dark side and it's unnatural abilities. They feared the dark side, they went to war, they added to the "CHAOS" of it with the use of force abilities in an actual warzone. What made it worse was the Jedi had been effectively a limited peace keeping force and deterrent. It had been millennia since they had lead armed soldiers in any field of combat, the attack on Geonosis is proof of that. In addition the Jedi mismanaged who went where, and some of them mistreated their clones. Anakin who was a bit more on a personal level with his men would have seen the distrust of Jedi and clones and be powerless to deal with the divide since many of them would have more then likely out-ranked him, one example of this being Krell. What's more the Order for the most part didn't seem to mind that they were effectively using a slave army, the clones weren't considered actual citizens of the Republic before, during, and even after the war. More or less tools and basically disposable numbers, something Anakin would have been very related to on a deep level given his own upbringing and more then likely was bothered by it. The clips in this vid when he was talking about the Order and the war could be inclined to that reality. So that could add a massive tick to the score card.
Lastly was how many times they betrayed Anakin's trust and expectations, looking to the Clone Wars series there was an episode when Obi-Wan faked his death and Anakin was left in the dark for a decent portion of it. Granted they had to make it real, but once Obi-Wan had escaped the council could have filled Anakin on what was actually going on, not let him go on a literal manhunt. There was the Order's decision on Ashoka and her trail, he believed her to be innocent and was fighting to clear her name, but the Order had basically washed their hands of her. Granted they apologized and did try to allow her back in the Order, but the damage was done. She could never look at the council let alone the Order the same way and believe they had the intentions with her well being. Anakin who was hurt by that also came to this same conclusion, he may have it these concerns in the beginning. But considering Ashoka was very gifted, one of the sharpest Jedi Anakin had the pleasure of actually teaching and getting to know, to see her come to this realization and walk away from it all made it very clear to him that she probably knew on a deeper level what was wrong with the Order and she didn't want any part of it. Anakin was already far too committed to the Order, and he knew it, couldn't just leave it since he himself would be left nothing. Not to mentioned he couldn't abandoned those who had come to depend on him, but more then likely he'd probably have considered leaving the Order after war since there was enough baggage there. The council ordering Anakin to spy on Palpatine would fall under this since it's them literally ordering him to rat on a close personal friend. This coming from the same bias council, who treated him with contempt and mistrust very early on in his youth, who basically were fine with letting one of their own falsely accused face the penalty without doing more to investigate to clear her name, and to have him to basically turn on the closest friend he has had since he was very young. That wouldn't sit well with anyone, don't matter who you are. Obi-Wan knew this was a bad idea, and even made it clear to the council, and yet they saw fit to go through with it. That is another massive if not the biggest tick to the score card, the betrayal of trust and expectations.
They made a lot of mistakes with Anakin and in how they handled the Chancellor. They were so focused on politics that they missed a lot of warning signs with Palpatine and his interactions with Anakin. How they handled Anakin from the age of nine to when he was an adult was questionable and it seems like they were so stuck in their dogmatic ways that they weren't able to understand or relate to what this little boy was feeling after the separation from his mother who was the main person he knew for most of his young life. Getting him to spy on Palpatine was stupid given how close he was to the Chancellor and them not even trusting him at all. It should have been Obi-Wan or Windu. Bad decisions on both sides led to the Chancellor taking hold of the senate and the downfall of the Republic in general.
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It's incredibly hard to authentically relate the political and moral paradigms of the Star Wars universe to ours because of one, specific thing: the Force. You could make an impeccably strong argument that the fall of the Jedi is due to a mix of intentional ignorance (assuming the Sith were extinct) and the political machinations of a psychopath (Palpatine). However, you could make just as strong of an argument that all of that was only possible because of an imbalance within the Cosmic Force that pushed and nudged events until the Jedi could be reliably culled. In our own world, the mantles of Good and Evil do not have their own physical capacity in and of themselves. We simply can't wave a hand saying Hitler committed his atrocities because he was compelled to by some all powerful force that permeates all aspects of life. We all don't exist on a knifes edge between the Light and the Dark because there are no absolutes in the human condition. Anakin fell because whenever he was pushed too far and did things that he couldn't recognize himself in afterwards, everyone he trusted told him that there was only one path, one end that such actions result in. Vader was born because there was no more room left for Anakin in the world he was convinced HE had created. Convinced by everyone. In Return of the Jedi, when Luke turns himself in and Vader comes down to pick him up to go see Palpatine, Luke implores Vader to let go of his hate. Vader responds by saying that Luke doesn't understand how the Dark side works and that he MUST obey his master. So the question posed by such a response is: was Vader simply lying to Luke and himself and he COULD resist or is the Dark side so powerful that it is physically impossible for Vader to resist, but not Anakin?
The greatest lie we tell ourselves from birth onward is that something can only ever be one way. That to adjust your principles and world view is somehow hypocritical and perverse. People that have truly affected good on our world can still be revealed to have been monsters at some other time. And some people, who have only ever been a drain on our society and a disease upon basic decency, can still do something pure and good. We judge ourselves and each other by comparing someone in their present moment against all of their previous moments as if who we are now is not allowed to have deviated or changed at all from our past. But the truth is: shit happens. And people can change as surly as they can then change again.
Some really good stuff you're grappling with in here. It's worth exploring how the rather limited binary presented to Anakin might have pushed him towards the Dark Side.
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I still blame the sand...
It gets EVERYWHERE
All Anakin needed was to be treated like family , shown mutual respect & to just be allowed to be himself more than always judged harshly for being such.
Obi-Wan suited to have a Padawan that was more about the Code rather than a student like Anakin who needed more of an unorthodox , not so in the box mentor.
I also think that Anakin should not have been a regular Jedi guardian either I think he should have gone more into the Sentinel route or the detective intelligence side of things due to his unique nature as a person 🤷✅.
Calling Anakin the chosen one without ever explaining to him what the fuck that meant definitely messed him up.
Anakin blamed himself for every bad thing that happened to his loved ones because he was the chosen one and yet he couldn’t keep them safe. He expected too much from himself because of his chosen one title which hinted that he was supposed to be all powerful and yet he couldn’t even prevent his loved ones from dying. Obi Wan and the council definitely should have spent more time telling Anakin that while he was all powerful he was still just a human being and that there will be things outside of his control.
In this world, there are no perfect rule, law, order or code; Only the most suitable of the time.
The Dark side does not follow the rules of engagement that the Light have set, hence the Light will always be at a disadvantage for the Light is bounded by it's own rules. In order for the Light to even up the playing field, the Light needs to have it's own force that does not abide by the rules yet still be in control by the Light, it's Shadow.
Until the death of Alan comes, American Ben; you are not allowed to make a Star wars video.
The council failed him deeply and hideously. I know why Qui-Gon didn't join the council. If Qui-Gon would have trained Anakin, he could have saved him.
With his hair like that, American Ben looks EXACTLY like the metalhead guy I bought weed from in High School
That NBA quote 😂
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
to deny yourself your passion, you would first need to deny yourself your Humanity.
I blame the Jedi for Anny fall 😶
"Spy" is such an ugly word, y not "assist"! Anakin y don't u go...assist Palpatine with his duty, he is old n may need help. While u r...assisting him do relay all the info to us, so we can...assist with new idea n tactics. Anakin don't tell him this, wudn't want him to get the wrong idea nor hurt his feelings...teehee 🤭
You assume Anakin isn't smart enough to interpret that as them asking to spy. Though a point in your favor is he was stupid enough to fall for Palpatine's lies so why not the Jedi's.
@@nickglunz7333 lol 😆
@@nickglunz7333 Palpatine in reality wasn't telling much lies, he was having a grain of truth and using Jedi secrecy/mistrust on Anakin and his personal situation to tip the scales to the other side. Jedi ideallistically speaking ofc yes, but as far as the Jedi Order post Clone Wars goes they had been playing a war and in the last days they were on a political intrigue war against Palpatine for seizing control of the Senate. They had lost their priority of promoting morality and spirituality for a responsible use of the Force. Their intentions were good, but high chances that even if things went the way they wanted it all backfired on them creating even more conflict.
At that point their actions were more similar to anything that Palpatine himself was showing, so he quite easily leveled the "moral ground". If Jedi vs Sith is all the same and not that relevant, if almost everything they told me has been a lie(EPI and EPII speak a great deal about what the Jedi were before Clone Wars and Anakin joined there), then I'm making a leap of faith for my wife's life(only thing at that exact point wasn't a lie) and after that I'm on my own side.
Many people seems to overlook that in RotS Vader/Anakin is being quite literal with "my empire" and "we can rule the Galaxy", he is going to blow Palpatine out the living after he gets what he needs from him because he is a nuisance to Anakin's own side...also because Anakin loses his innocence regarding Palpatine over the course of his revelation as Sith Lord, hence he's not longer a friend but someone for who he's playing a ruse to get something he needs. He indeed became a by the book Sith here, not because he supports Palpatine or the Sith, is precisely because from this point on he's making his own side and making the appointements himself.
holy shit is this guy a professional lecturer? i felt like i was listening to a college professor
This is all very interesting but I will freely admit that my brain is to small to understand most of what you are saying. Not sure if that makes me dumb, you smart, or just the factors involved super complicated either way you made me think so mission accomplished.
Haha, I know the exposition in this video was more dense than usual. This is a much more natural form of writing for me and so I indulged myself this one time on a whim of sudden inspiration. My intention was not to make you feel stupid but if you have interest in trying to understand all of what I said (no problem if you don't) then I'd suggest you consume the video slowly and really try to listen. Often when people can't process more intricately constructed language it has more to do with an attention problem than any sort of deficiency in intelligence. I know this because I have terrible attention problems and suffer from the same issue.
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Damn, deep man. You should be a lawyer!
The Jedi probably shouldn't have built their temple on a dark side hotspot, they definitely shouldn't have then forgotten they did that. Being a force user is to open your self up to corruption just by being a bit angry, the galaxy would be better off killing force users as soon as they are found.
So both sides of the force is bad.
So basically practice what you preach?
Everything Palpatine said about the Jedi could be equally applied to Anakin and himself. Anakin agreed to spy on the Jedi because he thought as a member of the council he would become a master. He did it for power. Anakin was already well into the dark side before he was told to spy on Palpatine.
Ehhh yes but he did so with righteous purpose. And before we have the “the road to hell is paved etc” talk. Yes I’m aware that righteous intent doesn’t excuse power hunger, but there is a point where wanting power for the sake of helping people, because he did ultimately want to help others beyond just his wife, is a good thing. Can it corrupt? Definitely. But to ignore that he sought power for noble intent is to ignore his entire motivation. He sought that power to save lives. But it was denied to him. Then he was insulted, and told to go commit an act of treason.
@@nikik5567 Anakin was whining about the Jedi not promoting him fast enough since the start of The Attack Of The Clones. Hw sought power for his own sake and later found an excuse to justify it.
Shawn H Corey eh maybe, but I think that’s more just bad writing as it’s pretty inconsistent.
@@nikik5567 Well, I have to agree with the bad writing.
@@ShawnHCorey@Niki K, wasn't inconsistent. He complained in Attack of the Clones that he believed he was ready to face the trials for Jedi Knight, while Obi-Wan was saying he wasn't ready yet. Not being hard on others is important, he's not saying anything otherwordly, it isn't something of the darkside, more that one pupil can be overconfident when young.
Later he would say "Obi-Wan is holding me back" after his mother was killed because it indeed happened: context is Obi-Wan told him his foresights about she being in danger were nothing but dreams that would "pass in time", encouraging him to stick to stay away from her and he ended discovering a hard truth(they truly meant death as his instincts told him, you cannot tell any prophet their prophecies are false or irrelevant, it doesn't work that way). So he was "held back" because he would have at least tried to intervene, maybe if he was allowed from the start he wouldn't go on a revenge streak even if things went bad, because when he finally acted he was really worried and clawed by fear because he has been enduring them for several weeks, and that exploded in a great deal of anger upon her death. People only sees that but that revenge streak is not only "my mother was killed gruesomly by these bastards", is too "Obi-Wan and the Jedi didn't helped me when I asked guidance", "I was waiting, trusting in them for a long time suffering and it turned out to be as I thought from the start". Anakin has really much more reasons to rage in that event than just revenge for a loved one killed, some of them actually to rage on himself...which is why he is on the brink of the darkside after the massacre.
If you betray you own way of life and your ethics your no better than anyone!
There are always presidents made by those who are careful about what rules, indeed laws, they bend, stretch, even break, to protect society at large, while excepting, they might not fully be able to be a part of that society, when revealed in their.. "dark ways".
"Protecting the rulers, by bending, even breaking, the rules".
I was there I'm one of those young ones lol I got away tho lol ... I told them Anakin wasn't bout shit lol .. 🤣
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