Rock Types in Competitive Pokemon.
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- Competitive Singles has seen many different Rock types throughout the years.
Very few Rock types rise to the top of competitive, and they have a lot of terrible weaknesses to overcome.
But they also have amazing advantages that can really shine on the right Pokemon.
Join me as I go through the most prominent and memorable examples of Rock types from each Generation.
0:00 Intro
1:17 Gen 1
5:22 Gen 2
8:28 Gen 3
19:38 Gen 4
24:53 Gen 5
29:52 Gen 6
34:16 Gen 7
36:27 Gen 8
37:41 Gen 9
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I'm suprised you didn't mention iron defense/body press on Garganacl
@@Blazin_Tundra the analysis mentions curse but not iron press weirdly enough. Maybe clef is enough of a hard counter, idk
Jim what happened to Pokeaimmd vid? I 100% saw your community post about that podcast and cant find it now
@@IbbiG91Not out yet. That post was for questions that Jim can ask him
@@bugface8565 Ah thanks for clarifying 😁
I love how you say the physical special split was enforced, like it was a law they passed.
You know what they say: every Rock has its Type.
Except Normal and Ghost
Magcargo is definitely Igneous
@@WingedFish66Bars
@@GaymerSunday21789He's an igneous mollusc type of fellow
@@WingedFish66Rock/Normal should be like a regular pet rock or something
Rock/Ghost should've just been Spiritomb. 💀 (Maybe a future regional form?)
Every time Jim says "outstanding" I have to resist making a joke about scarecrows.
Or cacturne
Can we take a moment to appreciate that the Rock type Pokémon Shuckle had an ability in Gen II - a generation earlier than any other Pokémon would. When holding a Berry, there was a 1-in-16 likelihood of that Berry turning into Berry Juice after each battle. This remarkable ability has not been seen since.
Rock types synergise well with the underrated Roll type.
No, you are thinking of the unrelated Rick type.
It’s Rocktober, folks
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@@usernametaken017 It's Sedimentary Sunday in this glorious month of Rocktober. What are you on about?
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Im so glad gamefreak continues to buff Magcargo. This madman cannot be stopped.
'Mega Diancie, the first ever Rock/Fairy type'
Carbink: 😭😭
I am glad that the horse council is opening up to the idea of having Jimhoofy among their ranks. That’s a big deal.
For the three Jim Cool viewers who haven't already seen Big Yellow's video on the subject: Golem used to be a viable alternative to Rhydon in RBY OU because Explosion made up for the lack of power and bulk. However, following the discovery that Normal types couldn't be paralysed by Body Slam, Snorlax and Chansey began running Reflect sets since they weren't as scared of Body Slam. This led to the two biggest targets of Golem's Explosions being much better at taking them, and led to Rhydon completely outclassing Golem. Heard it's doing well in RBY NU but I haven't played it personally
Actually Golem recently rose back to RBY UU! Its niche became much more valuable, and while not as good in UU as it was in NU, it’s still very good.
Don’t forget that a lot of people started to play Golem as Rhydon when both play very differently. Golem’s main goal is to blow up (and act like he don’t know nobody), Rhydon has a lot more Utility as being the only viable substitute user alongside the higher attack helping it get ranges that Golem could never get. Body Slam + bad play and consistency with Golem just made it fall off. It still has a niche but yeah age hasn’t been kind to it
I don't play gen 1, but reflect lax sounds like such a pain to deal with.
At least you can crit through Chansey, you need multiple crits to break through lax on the physical side, I reckon.
"who haven't seen Big Yellow's video on the subject" as if that's the main source. Or that half the people here don't have mental recognizance of like a few years ago
@@et34t34fdf snorlax does need to rest in order to get hp back, but i agree. Rhydon earthquake (the strongest non commital move in ou) does like 16%
I really wished Aggron made into SV. Being able to shed that Steel and Rock typing for a better defensive typing. I love this guy.
50 minutes of jimothy, my night is made
I know right? This is easily my favorite asmr channel.
We do not tolerate magcargo slander in this house folks
No Sudowoodo mentioned, this is outrageous. I'll be taking this up with the horse council!
11:18 “Aerodactyl generates so much… Pressure” well done, Jimothy. Well done
You forgot the most influential Rock type in Gen 8, COALOSSAL, amazing iconic Fire/Rock typing of Magcargo fame, decent movepool, and the slow-rock-allegation busting ability STEAM ENGINE, which grants Coalossal a +6 speed boost if hit by a water or fire move, this is insane
Much more so in VGC than in Smogon
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Well, the main problem with rock type is its identity. It has a similar issue to the ice type. It is a rock-solid offensive type. Unlike ice however, it has pretty interesting resistances. But like ice, most rock-type pokemon are defensive and/or slow. Also, being weak to common offensive typing ain't helping. That's why rock-type sweepers like Terrakion, Iron Boulder, or Arcanine-Hisui found their success in higher tiers, while Golem, Coalossal, or any other NU or lower rock type struggles.
And no, I didn't forget about Garganacl. It's more like an anomaly than anything. It has awesome abilities, great signature move and is an excellent abuser of the tera that helps its OU position.
I think Garganacl is comparable to Blissey or Chansey, where their good traits massively outweigh their typing
Rock and Ice are one of those types where they clearly were balanced with amazing offensive coverage with bad defensive utility. The big issue with these types is that you can just run a rock/ice move and gain a majority of their benefits without actually using rock/ice Pokémon.
I feel like Rock is a discount version of Ice nowadays. Both are similar on paper but Rock ends up being mediocre offensively in practice (in singles) because it has like, no good STAB moves.
Even beyond poor accuracy, the accuracy to power ratios are also generally horrible. Like just compare Stone Edge and Megahorn
Rock would be way better if Accelerock wasnt a signature move, and instaead as common as ice shard or aqua jet
Another big issue with rock moves is stealth rock. Why bother with KOing a pokemon that is 4x weak to rock moves, when you can KO with a 2x move after stealth rocks?
Surely now that Jimbabwe has hit 70k subs he will finally give good lore tidbits about iron mugulis again, and never fall for the Google mind virus ever again.
God bless.
Let's Hope that iron jambia doesn't get up ti anything evil
So what you're saying is magcargo is necessary on pretty much every team?
This is indeed what I am hearing
No, he's saying that playing with it is cheating. Worse than that actually, you do not choose Magcargo, it's Magcargo that chooses you, for he is divine, for he is our true lord and savior! All hail Magcargo!
The rock type is a bit of a mixed bag in competitive Pokémon.
The majority of rock types are quite weak and dont function very well in battle
Rock types have an unfortunate *five* weaknesses to Water, Ground, Fighting, Grass, and Steel.
And these are terrible weaknesses to have
water, ground, and fighting in particular are extremely common seen attacking types
However, rock types are excellent offensively
I love the video, and thank you for the dark/night screen layout for the Teambuilder segments. It's so much easier on the eyes and easier to read texts as well.
Hey man, just congratulating you on reaching 70,211 subscribers! By the way, what happened to Iron Mugulis?
Iron Mugulis is up to an evil scheme.
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I love watching the competitive Pokemon video by jimothy cool where 1/3 of the video is exclusively about gen 3
Aurorus is such a cool design and literal glass cannon. A special ice/rock sweeper would be so awesome in very specific situations but is way to slow and can't come in on almost anything.
You are so incredibly real for all this Magcargo representation
Goated addition of the music when reading the maccargo comments
RBY Tauros almost always runs Blizzard, which actually 2HKOs Rhydon, while Rhydon's Earthquake doesn't 2HKO Tauros; Rhydon is definitely more afraid of Tauros than the other way around.
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About Rhydon vs Tauros in Gen 1, while Rhydon can stomach a Body Slam/Hyper Beam with ease, it hates getting para'd by Body Slam. A crit EQ from Tauros chunks it for about 60-70% and a crit Blizzard KO's it from full, and given Tauros' crit rate that's something you have to account for. So while things might look good on paper for Rhydon it's still a scary matchup especially if the Tauros is healthy.
The pillow type is a lot of a unified box in casual Digimon
The rock-type is a bit of a mixed bag in competitive Pokémon.
The majority of rock types are quite weak, and don't function very well
in Battle. Rock types have an unfortunate 5 weaknesses to water, ground, fighting,grass and steel and these are awful weaknesses to have
Water, ground and fighting in particular are extremely commonly seen attacking types.
Stealth rock is a thing though.
It's Rock Raturday
Truly the best day in the month of Rocktober
Pretty sure it's Rock Runday already
this series is great Jim. Keep em coming
5:00 I think Aero may have been a Gen 1 all star had it gotten EQ and Rock Slide. Yeah blizzard and Tbolt weaknesses suck but normal resist and ground immunity sounds good and this would give it actual things to do
"The most 'almost good' pokemon in gen 1, that is still worse than Porygon"
Gen 1 Aerodactyl would have been great if it could actually do damage without Hyper Beam and killing itself with Double-Edge. With strong physical damage, outspeeding everything except for tying Jolteon, and it critting a quarter of the time, It would have been a threat to everything relevant but Snorlax with Ice Beam/Blizzard and Slowbro. Playing Gen 1 Romhacks that give Aerodactyl those moves makes me lament for what could have been.
I’m so glad Jimothy’s CZcams channels exist. They are near constant immediate clicks and full watches.
I'd love these for all types, very informative
Oh boy, I am dying to see the ground type video, it'll be a feature lenght movie.
or a Water type video or a Steel type video
One would think at first there wasn't much thought put into the ineffective, slow, defensive rock types who tend to be added and not accomplish much. But they often give them Sturdy! It's like they know Gigalith isn't as bulky as you're supposed to think it is.
It also doesn’t help the majority of them lack reliable recovery (which is something Garganacl has, such a rarity)
That’s a big reason why they’re ass
I love your videos Jim, keep up the good work
please make a series of this doing every type! I love these longer metagame videos.
shout outs to my favorite pokemon with my favorite strat-- metal burst sturdy aggron with a custap berry. Used it a lot in gen 8 with electric terrain or sand teams to bait the ground types and eliminate them, plus maybe take a second with custap head smash, reversal, or just endeavor
Some other cool mentions for SM OU are Mega Aerodactyl and HO lead Lycanroc which both saw SPL usage this year. Terrakion deserves a mention too if including old stuff like Nihilego
More specifically Dusk Lycanroc iirc
Clearly something is wrong, Jimothy would never say that his favourite rock type is Tyranitar.
Magcargo enjoyers the world over are in shambles, we have been betrayed.
Very handsome video. Wished you went into how each mon performed in their respective tier not just OU, but then I did some research and it turns out almost all of them were ass in their debut Generation even in lower tiers. Very epic.
Yes, brother! Preach the message of Rhydon (if even for a while only) !!!
Been my favorite rock type and one of the favorites in general ever since gen 1.
Surprisingly bulky, even more so after the introduction of Rhyperior due eviolite, and can run swords dance possibly a VERY niche rock polish set as well on some comps.
I love Shuckle! I actually used one in Gen 8 Battle Spot Singles as a hazard 3v3 setter to support a Kartana sweep with Rocky Helmet, Stealth Rocks and Sticky Web. Wasn't the most viable strategy in ranked matches but I found it fun.
It definitely always has a niche in 6v6 but I personally couldn't justify dropping a team slot for it.
Regirock is my favorite. Whenever I remember any of my attempts to catch him in Pokemon emerald I get a pleasant shiver down my spine. Assault vest regirock with drain punch is also really fun in doubles.
I love that you are brave enough to speak out and give Magcargo the credit it deserves
Edit: as a fairly casual, but consistent VGC viewer, I believe Stonjourner was seen sometimes as a fringe, experimental pick that people wanted to work, but he couldn't really
You can say that some of these are... rock solid
Rampardos not having rock head worsens my depression
Thank you Jim, you rock
Grats on 70k. 100k soon
I used a gimmicky stonjurnor set on a torkoal trick room team in early gen 8 VGC. Powerspot sun boosted specs eruption does 1 million dmg to everything, and he gets imprison, wide guard and protect along with rock slide to keep torkoal safe and deny some defensive counter play.
hello jimothy cook. very informative video :) .However, you appear to have forgotten to shine a spotlight on gen 9's honorary rock type, Bombirdier, whose rocky payload ability grants it a same type attack bonus when using rock type damaging moves. I think that's pretty cool
My favorite rock type? Minior. Shell smash +white herb+ acrobatics is such a fun combo.
Rhyhorn and Rhydon are some of my favorite pokemon, and I will craft my ingame team around making sure I can fit one on any team I build
Shuckle is genuinely good as an offensive pokemon in doubles. Contrary and its high defenses allow it to sit on the field and collect attack increases from the opponents intimidaters, then eventually go for a power trick, which give it an attack stat of 614 before boosts. It's the slowest pokemon and will always go first in trick room, but it can also sweep without trick room with the help of after you on a fast team member, or if the opponent have two special attackers on the field since power trick only swap physical stats.
Stonjourner was amazing in doubles, it could helping hand an ally AND give it the power spot boost, except the opponent would prankster tailwind or fake out and KO it before it could make uae of ita ability, and then he immediately made room for an actual pokemon! Outstanding
7:57 lmao this guy is too funny for such a deadpan person
That's the real analysis tbf
You forgot to mention that gigalith also obtained sand stream later. So it wouldn’t be as weak anymore on the special end. Matter fact with investment he can be quite good defensively since he is only mono rock unlike tyranitar having a 4x weakness to focus blast and more
It also got a Sp. Def from 70 > 80 the gen before
It was meaningless at first, but once it got Sand Stream the gen after it really benefited from the stat buff
I appreciate the setup for Tyranitar in UU at 31:30.
I will mention that, towards the end of Gen 8, Nihilego started running a power herb meteor beam set in OU and was seeing some decent success with it on some offensive teams. Also there's Alolan Golem in Gen 7 which has a niche as physical attacking steel trapper with earthquake, allowing it to trap Heatran while not giving up its ability to trap Ferrothorn like Magnezone. Mind you this one is more of a fringe option but it is a legit niche tho definitely very specific.
I believe it was a disservice to not mention one of the most buffed rock types coming into generation 7: Gigalith, who up to that point had lived in the shadow of Golem and the such, gained Sand Stream in that gen, with that it became diet tyranitar, which is a pretty good spot to be in for a lower tier pokemon
Another omission of not in my opinion is the alolan cousin of golem, who along with his excellent facial hair gained magnet pull as an ability, which when combined with his wide movepool allowed it to trap a larger variety of pokemon than magnezone, notably heatran, at the cost of being a worse pokemon in general
He also forgot to mention Minior and Lycanroc-Dusk
The former being a Shell Smasher with good speed too
I haven't played gen 1 ou in a long while sadly but hioasdf I remember how amazing it was to predict a switch out to one of the legendary birds especially articuno into rhydon and I'd use rock slide instead of earthquake one time I have like a sense memory of scaring and articuno right back out after they brought it in guess they wanted it for the late game haha
I can't believe Jim forgot to mention one of the most forgettable Rock types of all time, Minior.
Such a shame as the design and form change gimmick are pretty cool.
Shell Smash sweeper with good speed too
Shuckle, you cute little juice-making thing! :D I'm glad you got better over the years, like a fine wine! Suitable for a wine-mak- I mean, a juice-making pokémon! -^^-
Stonejourner can use Wonder Room to swap his 20 spdef with his 135 def so he can sit on the field a little longer and boost his ally. It is the goofiest doubles battle strategy known to man
it does not work
“And of course Gen 2 saw the release of the most iconic and successful rock type in the entire Pokémon franchise, Shuckle” very brave, Jim
I once tried a Cradily with ancientpower rest sleep talk for omniboost chances with suction cups, interesting mon.
50 minutes right when I should go to bed? This is insane.
jimothy can you cover adv uubl? i've been playing as it got announced for RoA this month, and i find it so much fun
gen 8 had some cool rock types and buffs to older ones. coalossal is just a stronger version of magcargo with a unique ability in steam engine that made it a quite effective sweeper in vgc, and gigalith got sand stream to make up for its poor spdef (which was already a bit more than most rock types), which turned it into a strong mon in the lower tiers. lycanroc exists for gen 7, and all of the forms try and make up for the flaws of the rock type to varying success (midday is just a fast physical sweeper with a unique stab option in accelerock, dusk is like midday but with the amazing ability tough claws, and midnight has guaranteed-hit stone edges for reliable stab although it lacks accelerock and is much slower so it ends up being the worst of them), as well as minior, which has a unique gimmick in switching from a defensive mon to an offensive one and having shell smash but is simply too weak.
Do you think you’d ever do a video on gen 3’s Under Used Ban List? There’s so many more Pokémon in that gen 4’s.
Honestly? I'm SICK of seeing Magcargo everywhere. It's been 8 generations of theory crafting and practice and it doesn't matter because Magcargo comes out and I can do NOTHING but soil my pants!! Gamefreak is so unashamed about how much they LOVE Magcargo.
They rub it in our face with Karen's iconic quote.
"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with Magcargo. I like your Magcargo. You understand what's important. Go on--the Champion is Magcargo."
I've been using an Ice-Tera Unnerve TTar with Alolan Ninetales in OU for a bit now. It's an interesting time
Stealth rock shouldn't exist.
i understand its purpose is to act as a punishment for flying types that are immune to spikes but damn it really didn't need to deal up to 50% damage. like, 4x weak pokemon should take 25% damage, 2x weak pokemon should take 18.5% damage (similar to how spikes works) and ect
@@toolofthelord this is a good take. I like this take.
- Volcarona
My favorite rock type has to be the shining diancie. It is always cool to see legendary and mythical pokemon have connections to other Pokémon, whether they share that prestigious status or not, such as silvally being the human attempt to make an arceus-like chimera, the eon duo are basically the legendary version of the nidoran family, or the new paradox pokemon being evolutionary counterparts to existing Pokémon, and diancie is supposed to be a mutation of a carbink in lore. Diancie has an amazing design and its mega is stellar as mega diancie alone is almost the sole reason why I miss megas
Archeopschads....we are forgotten........
They still make Rhydon-style stat spreads sometimes, I noticed that Kingambit and Ursaluna have similar stat spreads.
Not comparable
Those two do not crumble to a special attack
Jimothy Foal has reached his goal. It's a stallion situation.
i like how gen 9 kinda revived offensive rock types with ogerpon and boulder as well as garg and glimmora
Aerodactyl in gen 1 actually does have enough defenses, and normal resist ground immune is super good, and outrunning the already fast mons like Tauros Starmie and Alakazam is great, the speed isn’t just for crits. If it had real moves it would probably be really good, it’s just stuck relying on a 90 base power non stab move for its offense. Hell, defensively it’s good enough to switch into swords dance mew in Ubers because the typing is that good.
Jimmy my boy you did my favourite fossil pokemon (archeops) dirty. I guess during editing someone cut him out (it skips from aerodactyl to crustle at 27:54 )
Gen one type clause format would be fun? Only 1 of each type per team?
Gen 9 is the best mono rock has ever been in monotype and it's insane just how good the rocks this gen were for that to happen
To me, rock is in the same boat as ice as a type. Its inarguably a way better defensive type, and combine very well with secondary types... Offensively. Using rock types defensively requires some kind of extreme offset to the immediately dying to close combat and earthquake
Why didn't you close off the Rock Type video with Magcargo -- who ended up going up to Ubers in Gen 9? 😧
imho the biggest problem with Crustle is that it isn't Magcargo
15:33 “there could be something here with a cradily team, there’s potential there I think” so you’re saying there’s a chance for cradily chewsday
You forgot to talk about Lycanroc-Dusk
Whiling not the greatest, it is one of the fastest capitalizing on Rock’s offensive strengths, it was UU in Gen 8 too iirc
I will say in gen 7 you forgot 2 things. The lycanroc forms, especially dusk form. The second is Gigalith gaining sand stream as an ability, which definitely helped it in vgc.
Aerodactyl is like the dorky girl who takes of her glasses and is actually a threatening late game dinosaur. Many people are saying
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Lycanroc. It has quite a decent niche.
Folks, this has made my night. Please accept Jimothy dear horse lords 🙏🏻
Gargancal moment 🗣️😤🔥
Good video, but no mention of Onix? 😢
Magcargo has SOME weaknesses, but nothing notable! :)
Jimothy, you made a mistake when you claimed that Diance was the first rock and fairy type. Carbink was avaliable much earlier and cannot be forgotten!