The BEST and WORST Pokemon of Every Type (Gen 3 OU)
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- Pokemon Competitive Singles in Gen 3 sure is awesome. In this video I objectively rank the Best and Worst Pokemon of every type, through the lens of Gen 3 OU.
I'm awesome for doing such a thing.
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0:00 Intro
0:33 Normal
1:58 Fire
5:11 Water
7:53 Grass
11:39 Electric
15:00 Ice
18:20 Fighting
22:14 Ghost
24:34 Ground
27:40 Steel
30:32 Psychic
32:32 Bug
35:08 Dark
37:27 Poison
40:33 Rock
42:22 Dragon
43:39 Flying
46:25 Outro
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17:12 "Ice/Ground is a decent typing"
27:37 "Ice/Ground isn't very good typing"
Mr. Cool, as a Piloswine fellow, I will not stand for this hypocrisy. The future Paradox form of Piloswine, Iron Rugulis, may be visiting your home in the next 3-5 business days. Be wary.
You misunderstand. What he meant say is that Ice/Ground is situational, due to how good it is offensively and how bad it is defensively.
I would also not hire the services of the Paradox Pokémon Iron Rugulis, he is an untrustworthy fellow with connections to the russian mafia.
@op4753I would not insult the rugulis as you might fall out a closed window in 5-7 days
I understood it to mean that Ice benefits from having Ground typing, but Ground doesn't benefit as much from having Ice typing
I thought it was funny too though, the HYPOCRISY
it's good typing among ice types and bad typing among ground types
Ice detracts defensively and improves offensively. Just a shame that GF refuses to acknowledge that ice is an offensive type, not a slow bulky wall type.
Regice being the best ice type is a completely absurd statement for later gens.
Truly insane statement.
There wasn't much competition back in gen 3
After watching his video on Regice, I can see the reasoning
I think the physical/special split hurt it pretty bad
I like how one neat side product of the “typings are automatically physical or special” is that Regice can wall a lot more than it should.
Spinda is so underwhelming that no one else has noticed that Dizzy Punch isn't its signature move. Teeter Dance was meant to be its signature move. Dizzy Punch was originally the signature move of Kangaskhan.
Hearsay.
Lmaooo goddamn you’re right
This is insane, you're totally right.
That was my first thought. I always remembered Kangaskhan had two signature moves in Gen 1: Dizzy Punch and Comet Punch.
I would later find out Hitmonchan gets Comet Punch as a starter move.
I feel like it makes me an old man that I never even thought about Dizzy Punch on Spinda. I grew up with gen 1, so I always knew it was on Kangaskhan.
A point towards Nosepass learning fire punch:
It has lil hands that do move off its main body, thus it can punch
I've been defeated by Logic
@@jimothycool Defeated by the tiny lil hands of the tiny lil nose guy
If I heard something munching in my closet and it was Spinda, I would not be afraid.
I would not run, as the salac-boosted red panda would be quite manageable.
No, you would be confused.
He's just a spotted little guy
I would be delighted, I love Spinda
Gen 3: Flying is so good, Spikes can't affect you and you don't have to worry about Dugtrio
Gen 4: Stealth Rock
Ruined the game for a while
"Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team."
Seriously, which GameFreak dev had it out for Flying-type?
Should have been capped at 25%
"Magcargo and Torkoal are pretty bad in Gen 3."
You are objectively correct, and I agree, but I raise you with this counter:
They are my friends, and I love them.
Your friends are hot
congratulations to gyarados, who waited 25 years for someone to say he feels like a flying type
I think Gen 3 competitive is the only place where you would not want a Water move on Gyarados tbh
torkoal's niche: it's the only pokemon with an explosion that will pretty much always be at full power since you can neither Intimidate nor Burn it
Fire spin yawn is basically a discount spore.
@@jaketerpening3284wtf 😭
It does have the advantage that the other person’s Pokemon will take damage while you are asleep and the other person can’t switch out to a Pokémon that counters the Torkoal.
Torkoal will have his revenge, just you wait for him to start setting sun in later gens, the glow up will be... Insane
Torkoal's Future Triumph.
good news from the future, he's now overtaken moltres. luvdisc could never
@@jimothycool Iron Turtle
Tropius has the stats of the Pokemon that should evolve into it.
the stats of something called Tropistem that's just a little bud of a tree
tropius looks like it should have something on the level of milotic or heatran base stat totals
The saddest thing about Tropius to me is it's 99 base HP. Tropius is best as a sub seeder, and thus would either like low HP and high defenses so leech seed increases it's health by a bigger percentage, or it would like to be able to hit the 100 base HP threshold where it's subs are not popped by a seismic toss. They gave it literally the worst HP stat possible for the role.
I am the worst dark type in Gen 3 as when I wake up it takes me ten turns to get going due to my slow start ability, I also lack impressive base stats as my speed is low at a terrible base 20 speed and no way to boost my speed with tailwind or agility due to my terrible movepool lacking much utility aside from being Toxic and Slaking off. You may be thinking that those moves were good but due to my lacking defensive stats while I do have high HP i lack the defence or special defence to tank many hits. Now given my slow speed and low bulk you might believe that i could be good in trick room but i don't have any strong stab due to the Dark type being all special and I'm mainly a physical attacker with a relatively good 110 physical attack.
Due to all these reasons i personally believe that I am the worst Dark type in Gen 3.
Before you shower you have a niche in PU
Plusle is actually a threat in NU, 85 spatk and 95 speed in pretty good for the power level of the meta. Very notably it hits 95 speed, meaning it speed ties with diglett instead of just losing to it outright, like Pikachu (90 speed) does. Minun is just outclassed hard by Plusle cuz the bulk is meaningless, you want the offensive tools more than the defensive ones.
Jimothy Cool: "Torcoal has Explosion but it doesn't hit as hard as Magcargo."
Torcoal: Has 85 Attack Stat
Magcargo: Has *50. 50.* Attack Stat
Rare L for Jimothy. Magcargo is Definitely The Worst Fire Type!
I was wrong for that one. However Magcargo is funny
sir I believe he was speaking in metaphor, thusly Magcargo definitely hits harder than Torkoal
An exploding Torkoal does more physical damage, but an exploding Magcargo does more mental damage.
@@jimothycool Magcargo is a silly little guy, and by the silly little guy clause he is superior to Torkal.
I wonder what a future form of magcargo would be called.
Unscripted Jim videos have this strange energy to them that I can't place. I like it. It makes me feel good.
Glad that you've been making lots of content this week Mr Jimothy, really appreciate your hard work.
I think there is a great case to be made for Weezing being the best Poison type. It offers a lot of the same advantages of Venusaur but has an outright immunity to Ground and Spikes in general, including the looming threat that is Arena Trap Dugtrio, as well as being able to set Sun AND Rain for utility on teams that want it. It can pass around Burn with Will-O-Wisp which is more relevant than Sleep Powder a lot of the time because there's no Burn clause and can totally dismantle incoming threats like Tyranitar and Aerodactyl on teams without Heal Bell, it can Explode, Haze to stop setup sweepers or a Baton Pass target since a lot of pass targets have Earthquake, it has Electric and Fire coverage built-in without wasting its Hidden Power slot, Shadow Ball to surprise attack Gengar and Starmie off a respectable 90 Attack stat, Pain Split as an offensive form of recovery, and despite it's low Speed meaning it's not likely to work, it does have access to Destiny Bond as a last ditch effort to land a kill, you can try a Taunt lead to mitigate Skarmory's Spikes and threaten with Thunder or Fire Blast... I think you should reevaluate the Poison segment here, Jim. Most of the reasons you gave Venusaur for being the best Poison type were measured by it's Grass type tools and then you very briefly mention Swords Dance + Sludge Bomb and noting how it's a lot more rare than the standard Venusaur, which seems like an unfair scale of measurement. Venusaur has better stats, that's a given, but Weezing is all-in on Poison and is honest about that, and has respectable stats where it counts and has way better coverage options without interfering with whatever Hidden Power you might want to run. Weezing's coverage moves coming off it its base 85 Special Attack is nothing to write home about, but the same point can be made for Venusaur's worse coverage with it's even lower physical Attack.
Was about to comment something about this yeah
Surprised to have seen Venusaur of all things chosen over Weezing
i think beautifly, delcatty and luvdisc suck so much in competitive because they kinda tried to make them work for contests? they're decorative pokemon, very cute on their own and can do very well in the contests, where base stats, base power, secondary effects, typing have never mattered
47 minute jim video
work today won't be so dull
thank you jimothy
Nosepass' Nasal Nightmare is why it has fire punch, as you can see its nose is constantly red due to its allergies flaring up in the depths of ZU with the likes of Butterfree, Parasect, and countless other bug types. When it sneezes it releases all that built-up gunk into one fiery blast.
In random battles luvdisc is set to level 100 and it's still the worst in the game.
(For context, pretty much everything is around level 80)
nah, flip turn + the speed stat makes it pretty decent in gen 9. that gen 8 wish passer set was utter ass, however.
@@rebeccajohnson7551 it didn't exist in gen 8, you're thinking about earlier this gen but yeah it is better now but it's still the worst mon by a large degree
according to False Swipe Gaming, Luvdisc is not just the worst water pokémon, It's one of the worst 'mons ever made!
All these long form videos from jimothy in a row is insanity. I feel like a magneton that has just trapped a skarmory.
Back to back bangers. Love the videos! Gen 3 has always been my favorite meta and your videos got me back into the meta
You are the goat for these longer videos I really like listening to you and your thoughts
I think if you do something like this in the future, you should use the pokemon's primary type. I know it functionally doesnt make any difference, but it would help the issue with slots being taken up by another pokemon, and flavor-wise its part of why ttar feels more like a *rock* type and why charizard feels more like a *fire* type.
The list of the worst=the list of pokemon that jimothy will be forced to use in the next live
This was a really interesting watch, great video!
Love the vids Jim, absolutely inspires me to try Gen 3 OU. Also- LOVE the osrs music!!
I have been loving these longer form videos, keep it up king 👑
Fantastic content Jim, thanks for this miraculous insight.
I'm a big fan of this podcast-like content. Keep it up!
Masquerain has Ice Beam and Hydro Pump for reasons we still haven't figured out, it has something pretty novel in that.
Critical miscalculation from Jim, there’s no way the bananas on Tropius’ neck can fly
Torkoal is undeserving of this rank. He is a very important mon in nu due to the prevalence of glalie, metang, flareon, and haunter.
As amazing as your tier lists are, hearing you pronounce all their names is what keeps me coming back
Loving these last few gen 3 videos!
I've been watching your videos for ages and keep meaning to ask. What song plays at 0:35? It sounds like Mystery Dungeon, but can't work it out!
The link for the outro music is wrong. Does anyone know how I can find the song?
Very much appreciating the Maplstory music in the background 🥰
Man, crazy to think that ice used to be alright defensively.
I really appreciate these more generel videos on gen3 ou. This and the iceberg are very informative to me as a casual observer. But can you explain ddtar in a full video? I hear people saying it a lot and I have no clue what they're on about.
Its a tyranitar set that uses dragon dance, thats what DD stands for, and tar is the abbreviation of Tyranitar… basically it sets up dragon dance (which raises speed and attack by 1 stage) once or twice and proceeds to sweep
@@AceMercado10 ah, tar has a fair few weaknesses and is pretty slow though. Plus, only one of his stabs is a viable physical move?
@@Nostalgia- You know I once watched this really good short film by a flaming chicken. The concept of flinching had been heavily established throughout, after all when your opponent has a large rock and they throw it at you, you might need a minute to recollect yourself, I speak from experience. Some of the antagonists just ran away knowing that the protagonist had a large rock in their hand, after in that situation, you gtfo, rocks are basically bullets in a protagonist with such a high attack stat.
Then the twist ending... It's too good to spoil.
Edit: the guy I replied to deleted his comment cuz he's a lil bitch.
27:15 What Steam game did you finish downloading?
I'd say Torkoal is definitely better than Magcargo. Pure Fire is a way better typing than Fire/Rock, it has way better physical bulk and, most importantly, it gets Explosion. Yes, Magcargo doesn't get Explosion in ADV (or Recover for that matter). One more note, which is kind of funny: their Special Attack isn't too far apart, but Magcargo can't get a guaranteed OHKO on Dugtrio with Fire Blast, while Torkoal can (although it needs to run pretty much max Special Attack investment, which probably isn't worth it).
As for Grass types, I think Sunflora is worse than Tropius. Yes, it has fairly high Special Attack, but it's barely higher than Vileplume's, who has way better stats overall. Sunflora's movepool is also completely barren, learning almost no Special moves to support its one good trait.
Not sure about Dark types. Mightyena has Intimidate and gets Heal Bell (from Pokémon XD: GoD). Sneasel has awful Special Attack, making all of its STAB moves fairly worthless, but at least it has high Speed and gets Swords Dance, I guess.
As for Rock types, Nosepass has Magnet Pull and Thunder Wave. That alone makes it better than Magcargo.
Finally, Farfetch'd is definitely a better Flying type than Delibird. It gets Agility, Baton Pass, Knock Off, Swords Dance and Wish, among others. It technically has a niche, because it's the only Wish passer that has Knock Off that is also immune to Spikes. I'm guessing you didn't want to repeat yourself and mention Delibird again, which is understandable.
As long as this comment is, I agree with most of the video. The debate about Skarmory VS Metagross will probably rage on for the rest of time, and I honestly don't know which one I think is best.
EDIT: Forgot a verb somewhere.
something that stands out to me is while so many of the best of each type are part flying, a lot of the worse are also part flying too lol
@@LuisSilva-yc5fz"It was the best of types; it was the worst of types" - A Tale of Two STABs
Hustle Delibird is an absolute menace down in ZU with Choice Band boosting its powerful STAB Aeriel Ace. Just so we're clear I'm not even kidding, used that thing to great effect down there. Very few things want to switch into that kind of power in ZU.
Great vid, I love sleeping to your discussion
ADV OU Morality tier list when?
Jim's 47 minute video bashing Spinda, love it.
To answer some ZU questions; Delibird is infact good in ZU because Hustle makes it one of the more threatening physical attackers even after the shifts since Flying resists despise taking Ice Beam or Focus Punch. Sadly though some ZU Pokemon have not survived shifts, like Luvdisc, Farfetch'd, and to an extent, Dustox who is a lot worse now. It's still early days after shifts though so who knows what can happen.
Amazing Insight from the greatest FlittleFanatic there is right here!
30:25 "spinda is now the frame of reference for a crap pokemon" was so unbelievably funny to me with how he said it i cried a little
hello do you play project m or project plus?
Was it a coincidence the DKC2 ice level theme was playing when you talked about the ice type?
I think Weezing is extremely underrated. Excellent physical wall with one weakness, great ability that makes it completely immune to Dugtrio's STAB and Spikes and a good movepool, I'd give it the top Poison type if we're not counting Gengar.
When you hear the phrase “it’s even outclassed by Horsea”, then you know it’s a bad day for Luvdisc fans. Poor guy
I think you were unnecessarily harsh to Luvdisc as you forgot a specific nieche. Luvdisc is excellent at removing exactly one PP from an attacking move of your opponent.
these longform adv videos from you are my lifeblood. thank you for always supplying mr. cool
three feature-length Jims in three days. this is truly insane.
You talking about Tropius made me chuckle.
Definitely a Pokemon that NEEDS a new evolution.
can't wait to see Jim trying to pick up wins with a full team of these "worst mons" next weak. this is insane.
I can’t believe you didn’t put Lickitung on this list.
Yay love to see my guy Claydol getting some love :)
A third 40 minute + Jimothy Cool video has hit the CZcams space.
40:24 The moment when you realize Shield Dust is an incredible ability
I remember doing a randomizer run of gen 3 where my starter was a luvdisc. It was literally not possible to leave the starting zone due to not being able to get exp.
that blurb on murkrow caught me off guard lmao "it has no stats, they sort of forgot"
While not in Gen 3, in Gen 6 for an online tournament where Pokémon of a certain size were allowed, I used Mightyhena for my team and she did really bloody well for my team. :D
Competitiveness aside, Tropius is my favorite HM friend along with with Bibarel. Cut? Fly? Rock Smash? Flash? Defog? Tropius' got it all. And even Sweet Scent to summon hordes in gen VI.
Those long videos are preety cool
Spinda is so bad that for many generations there was a tradition on Smogon of writing strategy articles for it that amounted to lengthy essays dunking on it for being bad. I believe the one for Gen IV started with "suffocate in a Heatran".
Fun fact about Nosepass: Mawile is the best Steel type in PU, so Nosepass serves a niche, as it can trap and 2HKO it. To do this it maxes special attack and - you guessed it - defeats Mawile with fire punch.
I caught a shiny bagon & three shiny araquanid while listening to this 😎 thank you jimothy cool
For psychic I'd honestly put grumpig or xatu under chimecho. Chimecho has like heal bell, recover and levitate. A resistance to fighting and immunity to ground and spikes is pretty great with those moves. Yes its lower in terms of tiers but in OU I think I'd rather build around chimecho over the other two. I guess xatu has those qualities but it's weak to rock, ice and electric which sucks bad in OU. Grumpig has a fire and ice resistance which is kind of cool but without recovery I don't think it'll do much. Maybe if it had milk drink or something, pigs make milk I guess.
It goes to show how good psychic is in gen 3, same with ground and steel. Even the worst pokemon of these types are very usable. Ghost too, discounting shedninja who's a gimmick pokemon, every pokemon is usable.
grumpig is actually quite good, at least in the obscure 200 metagame, as it is a special attacker that beats regice and learns substitute naturally (substitute is significantly more restricted there), and even now I think being a special attacker that beats regice is something given that regice is still good
@@Nostalgia- there was no reason for you to be an asshole about me bringing up an alternate meta, and besides, I think being a worse alakazam with extra resistances is still better than having heal bell, levitate, and literally nothing else, grumpig in ou feels better to use than chimecho in ru
Thank you for giving Mankey, the pre evolved form of the fighting type Primeape-the respect he deserves
Explaining Nosepass' access to Fire Punch? Well, they DO have arms at the very least xD
I like pokemon but I like it more when you talk about it. Cheers from Argentina
It’s crazy how Torkoal has gone from zero to hero over the years
37:00 even then it shouldn’t have been used because hyenas aren’t even dogs
what are the best and worst pokemon of every single type in gen 3 OU? Let's find out.
I could be wrong, buy I think that plusle has an advantage over minun in the move fake tears. i remember a run in game where I t-waved + fake tears everything. But I never played low tiers in gen 3 so not sure!
I am surprised Beedrill flew over the radar both times
Plusle is used in NU as a fearsome sweeper due to being the best electric attacker in the tier. Minun is better for the other stuff, so in OU Minun is probably better. NU has a bunch of fun stuff in it, love a defensive core of Chimecho, Flareon, and Mawile.
I still like that u can make delibird viable via assault vest guard/power split in later gens thoe
Shedinja has a valuable niche in ubers hard walling kyogre, i would say ghost is just so good theres no bad ghost types
Kyogre: "Ancientpower"
I kinda wish there was a video focusing more on the good pokemon of a certain type like the Fire Type video. It was enjoyable but I would like a more in depth talk. Maybe we can see some niche options of said type that people did not consider.
Minun has below average spa. The benchmark is 80 I think which Plusle meets the standard for.
Meanwhile, Tropius in Gen 9 Random Battles:
"TERA STEEL SUBSEED, SON! IT HARDENS IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA! YOU CAN'T HURT ME, JACK!"
Nosepass has tiny arms. It's holding its head like psyduck. It loses them for drones as Probopass, so I dunno why that one gets fire punch.
Id love to see Jim try and play with 3 of the best Pokemon and 3 of the worst Pokemon from this list, now that would be an epic challenge folks
I believe I actually had a competitive team with Luvdisc back when gen3 was the latest gen, just as a swag pokemon.
Seeing my favorite fighting top ranked at the bottom is painful to say the least. If I knew how the elemental punches worked when I was 7, I probably wouldn't have picked him lol. After I found out about the physical/special divide, my memories of Hitmonchan being bad made sense.
39:40 intimidate is a move? you learn something everyday
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The sad part is that Mightyena is not even a dog. Hyenas not officially part of the canine or feline families, but are still closer related to cats than dogs.
Technically speaking, Delibird is one of the best pokemon in gen 3...mystery dungeon. It can automatically teleport to allies outside of its own turn and use Present, one of the few ally healing moves in the entire game. It has a fairly strong movepool outside of present but JUST present makes Delibird absolutely insane
Now out of the future fairy types, who is the best in gen 3 despite not yet having fairy and who the worst? I'd think maybe azumarill or mr. mime as best, and maybe granbull, wigglytuff or togetic as worst? Gardevoir, mawile and clefable seem ok
Luvdisc has really good Gen 3 value...in random battles.
Its high level scaling makes it one of the fastest in the tier with okay defense, so it just toxic+protect+sub murders you
Why is there no sneasel in the Showdown list? I feel it might be worse, suffering possibly the most from being pre phys/spec split
Doesn't have much of a use in OU. It's great in UU though
regice can also run psych up to counter calm minders like celebi, blissey or suicune
I agree so hard on Tropius - design is sooooo good
Moltres being the g3 ou best is based