How Dominican Republic Wants to Separate From Haiti
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The border between the Dominican Republic and Haiti has historically been one of the most tense in the world. Since independence, attacks followed one after another until the 1929 peace agreement and the end of hostilities in 1942.
However, Haitian gangs, which have now taken control of Port-au-Prince, and a new dispute between the two countries over water in the 55-kilometre stretch of the Massacre River that separates them, have revived border tensions that seemed to be a thing of the past.
How did this atypical and controversial border come to be established? What is the Dominican Republic doing to try to curb the rise of Haitian gangs? Why are the two Spanish-speaking countries at loggerheads over water? Today we tell you.
#Haiti #Dominicana #visualpolitik
The Dominican Republic is a poor country with its own problems, the last thing it needs is Haiti's problems to become theirs.
Their problems are each other problem. They share one island. When one half sneeze the other side eventually gets sick.
@@janetbowe8625
Yes, and no. Consider USA, Mexico, and Canada. The three are separate, though they all technically share the same land.
@@BLESSFUL-Bliss if the US experience a financial decline so do the other three countries. If disease skyrockets in one it eventually has an impact on the other unless it can be contain within the boarder. Those three countries share and trade daily. Dual citizenship, residents work visa etc. Crime and migrants in mexico negatively affects those other countries (maybe the US moreso than Canada simply because the distance is shorter. The answer is just yes.
@@BLESSFUL-Bliss That's not a good analogy at all. All three of those countries are highly intertwined economically. And all 3 are much richer than DR.
Totally agreed on that!
Fences make good neighbors. Walls even better.
Facts!!!! 👍🏼🇩🇴🇭🇹
Why do media outlets continue to criticize governments who are tightening their border controls? Is it make sense for governments around the world to prioritize the safety of their citizens?
Many governments want to talk about border control, meanwhile they're responsible for creating a refugee crisis in other countries.
Because it doesn’t fit with there narrative of inclusion and pro immigration with no respect for its native citizens and countrymen.
It is the typical garbage and brain washing US/EU controlled media.
Because the quasi-totality of mainstream media in the Western world has been poisoned by radical Progressive ideology which includes lunacy like Open Borders, pregnant men, race-based Social Vengeance, etc.
Globalists
2 SEPERATE COUNTRIES, 2 SEPERATE CULTURES, 2 SEPERATE LANGUAGES, 2 SEPERATE IDIOSYNCRASIS.
Always remember their is “ a rat” in separate
Just like usa and Mexico
EXACTLY @@Nalololol
2 different religión
One is God fearing with a Bible on the flag. And the other was founded on a voodoo ritual pact with Satan. And it shows.
Correction: In min 2:05, Dominican Republic Speaks Spanish, Haiti Speaks Creole (a French Variation)
That also took my attention, such a basic mistake.
I didn't know if I wanted to watch the full video if at the start they already don't know what they're talking about.
How would someone making a video not know such a basic fact lol
Haiti speaks French and Haiti is a Latin country too. Just like Brazil and them both being black doesn’t mean anything because Latino isn’t a race.
I lived in Haiti and yeah there are white Haitians and on the news, French is spoken especially on most channels in Haiti. My mom is Haitian and Dominican and my dad is Brazilian.
60 years ago, the DR and Haiti were almost equals economically. Now one is booming and the other is a failed state.
Booming? 😆 🤣 😂
Dr is one of the fastest growing economies in the Americas
@@Kevin-mk6jo one is black the other is…black and white
@@lgiver5148 And which one is doing the best? Hmmmmmmmmm I wonder if there is some correlation.
@@beewee4987do you also know which one of those country was sanctioned for decades by good old usa ?
I'm Dominican, lived in Santo Domingo all my life, I'm 39 at the moment I'm writing this. Most Dominican just want to live their lives peacefully. Like most Latin American countries, we're just trying to grow up our economy and quality of life little by little. We don't have any problem with the Haitian people. We're neighbors and have to deal with each other whether we like it or not. Best we can do as neighbors is to find peaceful solutions to our problems and try to get along well. The problem is that we cannot negotiate with Gangs. Haiti is collapsed with no government, law, or institutions. It's just not viable. Regards.
Dominicans history is super racist . This looks like a Israel vs Palestinian situation all over . And DR looks like isreal
Haiti is a Latin country too.
@@icecreambeats101who said the contrary ?😂
@@guarocuya3514 just because they’re black doesn’t take away from them. I was born in Brazil and Brazil is a Latin country too. Haitians speak French and creole and French is a Latin language just like Portuguese.
Obviously you never been to Haiti because if you were there, you would know that French is spoken on the news, cooking shows, sports etc.,
@@icecreambeats101 who's talking about blacks? I didn't!😵💫
I don't blame DR at all. They have to defend their country from instability
Dominican Republic is also very F poor as well , when was the last time you went there , do you know how bad the drug, crimes is bad other there their literally known as a s3x tourism country . Do you know how many tourist dies a year from going to DR ? The government just hides it
DR is far from stable. I've been coming here for just under 20 years
@@KendrickHester-gt1gf He is talking about Haiti, Haiti is waaaay more dangerous than Dominican
@@josemedina5645 I don't know which is more dangerous. I do know the false media being put out. They used to do the same thing when talking about DR. What changed? The 2003 signing of CAFTA which included DR and excluded Haiti. By signing that they eventually would put further policy to push LGBTQ rights in exchange for United States invest in tourism projects. Before, more Europeans per Capita would visit DR. It all changed. The Haitians want to live. And for DR to play such a divisive game is shameful.
@@KendrickHester-gt1gf DR is a very stable country and has been for the past 30+ years. What are you talking about?
I’m Haitian and I’m in full support of this wall…. Anything to push my stupid countrymen to stop being complacent with the corrupt government the less places they have to run the better
Well said!
You're totally right cause as long as they have an escape valve, they'll continue to ruin everything for the ordinary citizen.
The elephant in the room is US hegemony in Haiti. You have to admit Haiti is not free. You can't be free when Haiti has been invaded over and over again since 1915.
@@negliletthey dont understand the land was Haiti own first… the Haitians freed the slaves are they forgetting or do people need to be reminded.
@@kassidykrigger8882what history are You taught? the whole island was spanish first, the western part was slowly invaded by french pirates 150yrs later, who then traded african slaves sold by-oh yes, other rival africans. And which "freed slaves" you talking about? There were only about 1/3rd of slaves in dominican territory by the 1800's, not a significant number as it was in what became Haiti, Two different histories developed, not Even the same treatment we're given, the economic models were total opposites from the start
Can’t blame them, if they don’t the crisis within Haiti will cross over into their country.
Yea possibly
They know since the 1820s
The Haitians will cut down all their trees too 😂
@@levismith7444😐
in the future they gonna be civil wars in Cuba and Haiti that people going to have to be looking forward to the Dominican Republic to migrate I don’t think a wall is not going to help
Don't forget shortly after Hati freed themselves from French slavery they tried to enslave the Dominicans for a decade. That part usually gets overlooked.
Two decades, leaving half of their population killed
they tried? they did!! they invaded the DR in 1805 and was in control of the island for 22 years, killing and mistreating Dominicans.
Not a decade but a couple of whole decades, from 1822 to 1844 🙂
History is very important thing that needs to educate younger people so it doesn't repeat itself.
The only place you will hear this lie about Haiti turning Dominicans into slaves is in Dominican Republic ,and may I add The same lie domicans tell about being white and not black 😂
I support Dominican Republic and i support the wall.
If I were Dominican I would want to build a wall too. When there is a danger people tend to try and wall themselves away from it. Haiti is the definition of a failed state.
If I were Dominican, I would want our government to BUY piece by piece of Haiti, secure and integrate them
@@zakuro8532 yeah, good luck with that. How long would it be before they saw a return on investment?
@@zakuro8532lmao integrated that funny
It's just another African country.
@@zakuro8532 na bro, haitian land is cursed
I'm with Luis on this. There's no law and order in Haiti and the last thing the Dominican Republic needs is for organized crime to further spill over into their borders. Stricter border control IS necessary and the Haitians that want to work will get themselves in as the market already exists for their labor.
DR already has organised crime
😂😂😂
Aaaand that why US also needs one
Borders are racist!/s
Good for you, I hope the dominican republic succeeds I am hatian. This will help the african nation to be more independent.
I am Dominican that live in DR and I can tell you my country has a bright future, we take care of our environment and our economy does not stop from growing. I do not wanna leave my country now as I feel very positive so We cannot allow Haitian gangs and criminals to destroy our future and progress, that ain't and the wall is just one step. Our economy is a star in the Caribbean.
oh please. the only difference is one part of the island is more Corrupt then the other.
The Dominican economy is a star compared to which Caribbean countries?
@@westindians882The difference between DR and Haiti is way more than just corruption. Yes, both countries have been governed by corrupted politicians, but DR is a real country which is doing its best to bright and progress. Haiti, on the other hand, is just a piece of land full of people with no law, government, and institutions. Regards.
@@c.danielthomas8636 the single biggest economy in all of the Caribbean.. and 2nd biggest economy in Central America, only behind Mexico.
@@DCampusano1 that is misleading because the GDP per capita is much smaller than most carriers countries and the human development index is also much smaller so while the economy might seem large based on population and land mass most of the citizens are poor and the country is not as developed as countries like trinidad and tobago or Bahamas.
Dominican Republic is one of the cleanest nicest communities The people are friendly and very helpful Haiti is a hell hole Avoid at all cost
One of the most telling maps of the island showed complete deforestation on Haiti's side and lush dense forest on Dominican Republic side drawing a very definitive border.
Interesting I’ll go check it out…. I can’t see it very well on maps
that is 1 road, out of many border crossings, that separates them
@@dustintacohands1107 It's more obvious from Restauracion to Elias Pina, and again in Lan Gale and Reserva Cientifica Las Caobas. Other areas look about the same, or are very subtle. If you look for a deforestation map specifiacally instead of satellite maps it will be clearer.
@@kingofhearts3185 yeah I figured wrong map I wonder how much worse the forest is
@@marekcracovia4061 Didn't say there wasn't, just that it's worse in Haiti.
Does anybody blame the DR for that? They have the bad luck of having Haiti as a neighbor.
@@marekcracovia4061 Haitian labor is unskilled. Skyscrapers are complex structures built by highly skilled tradesmen (at least the ones that don't collapse of their own accord).
@@marekcracovia4061 Where did you get the 90 percent from?
@@oldphart-zc3jz Haitians aren't building those complex skyscrapers stop it. They can't even build their own country.
@@marekcracovia4061 sir not even haiti has skyscapers what are you talking about
No kidding. We have México as a neighbor
A little correction to your video: at 2:09 you said "two Spanish speaking countries" which is not true. Haiti is a French speaking country
Creole is the most spoken language. I’ve met a lot of Haitians, including my partner, they all speak creole but only about half speak French
Even worst, most of them speak creole only, just a few who learn it at school can speak french.
I agree 100% France controlled Haiti and Spain controlled Dominican Republic many years ago.
That was mistake done on purpose
@@nicholasworsley4246 "Haitian Creole" is not a language, it is just a label.
Everys country should have the right to defend its borders with its military personnel if necessary. The Dominican Republic has the right to defend itself by all means.
The river originates in the DR not Haiti . Only 5-7 km run through Haiti and 95% of the river runs through DR. Haiti has dried up all its rivers and DR is only asking for Haiti to provide technical analysis and topography studies to make sure the canal will be done properly and not cause flooding when the heavy rainy season comes. Also you only mention the parsley massacre but never talk about the moca massacre when Haitians tried to wipe out all the white population in DR. The DR has never invaded Haiti even though we could if we wanted to because we have a strong military and Haiti does not!
France had a strong military and Haiti still won against them.
@@mrs.beautiful_23Haitians won against France but did not against DR . Twelve battles Dominicans fought and defeated their territory from Haitian invasion. This is why today they are two separate countries in one island . If the Dominicans had not defended their territory, Hispaniola would be all Haiti!
@@deniahimick3272 ... How did Dominicans win all these wars against us Haitians ? ? ? ? ? ...
@@deniahimick3272
I have news for you the whole island is called Haiti before Christopher Columbus
@@mrs.beautiful_23 Almost because some of the mercenaries who were sent switched sides. Might wanna history a bit more.
DR 🇩🇴: Veteran writer of Haitian 🇭🇹 history Jan Rogoziński quantified the population of Santo Domingo decreasing to 63,000, in 1819, due to attacks such as Degüello De Moca by Haiti 🇭🇹. The Dominican population numbered 175,000 in 1789.
Something they never mention
Hardly anyone talk about that it's like hidden somewhere
Haitians were pushing voodoo and where openly demolishing the Christian churches, the Christian Dominicans had to retaliate to the Haitian regime…
Why are they so scared to mention that
@@Jimmy_none because it goes against all the propaganda that makes them seem as victims. Dessalines is the perpetrator of both the Haitian massacre and the Degüello de Moca but one event is glossed over real quick(massacre) and the other one is never mentioned (Moca). Would you extend your hand to people that look forward to ripping out your arm? And Dessalines is not the only one to have wished death and genocide on DR, Faustin Soulouque there second emperor of Haiti also wished to exterminate DR but you never hear that either
As an American citizen I support this 100 percent, this is the exact reason why America needs Trump and a protective border wall to protect our own Republic from illegal immigrants the world over.
Trump was in power for four years and didn't do shit the only thing he did was to use the wall for his political proposals. He is a liar!
Do you really think a wall can prevent illegal immigration? There is no solution. It will get worse and worse.Even Mr "Toupee" knows it. You'll see it for yourself.
Countries are like people: there is only so much you can blame your shitty parents for ruining your life. If, when an adult, you don’t begin to put your act together, no amount of external help will help you and worse, you begin to think that there will be always someone else who is coming to the rescue from the shit you do. The horrible difference is that while people eventually die, countries keep dragging along, bringing themselves down with whatever surroundings they have.
Another problem is the notion of sovereignty: The same people who pull their hairs off claiming that each nation have to be independent and do whatever they want inside their borders (with whatever delusional ideology they happen to embrace), as a sovereign principle, is the same people who pulls their hairs off demanding that other nations (whoever, they will always find who to blame) help and bear the responsibility of such nations repeated bad decisions (then yes, they agree on Humanism and Human Rights as the ruling principle among nations). Hence you have an eternal cycle of “enabling” failed states.
Watch Real Life Lore, you very smart man.
Huh lol
Exactly
This video contains several inaccuracies, such as "the two spanish speaking countries" (Haiti is francophone), and when talking about borders on islands.. talk about Brunei/Papua New Guinea?!?
Guys, pls do your homework better...
Yes, I caught that as well.
Additionally, no mention of how the developed world is complicit in keeping Haiti impoverished.
They do their research on Reddit
It’s still a latin country
@@Didi781c but there's a big difference.
@@Dawidex81 you’re right. I think this is where they got confused.
You don't even know that Haiti is a French speaking country and expect to be taken seriously?
He did correct himself later in the video, in his defense
Agreed! Completely embarrassing.
What’s your point?
Creole actually.
I'll still take it more seriously than I will anyone from Haiti.
The Dominican republic has to build a wall along Haiti otherwise the Haitians will cut down every tree on the island
@@marekcracovia4061He said he didn't want Haitian to deforest the Dominican side. Why in the world do you bring up Europe?
@@marekcracovia4061dominica trees we cannot follow your deforestation of our trees
@@marekcracovia4061That’s not an excuse. Dominicans don’t want our forests cut down.
@@marekcracovia4061 Sort of, but that doesn’t take away the fact that DR’s forest area has been increasing throughout the year. 1990 (33%) and 2020 (44.6%)
in the future they gonna be civil wars in Cuba and Haiti that people going to have to be looking forward to the Dominican Republic to migrate I don’t think a wall is not going to help
As an American citizen who racial makeup is mixed in white and Dominican heritage I couldn’t be more pleased to see the Dominican Republic take a serious stance against immigration and boarder policies.
Dominicans in the US especially older ones don’t care for the modern wave of immigrants today.
they are cultural totally different language , food, religion, Domican rep. is not a failed state.
@@marekcracovia4061it has been exploited by the Spaniards, Ransacked by the British, occupied by Haiti for 22 years and invaded 11 times from 1844-1856. Occupied by the U.S in 1904-1905, occupied again from 1916-1924 and was reoccupied in 1965. What are you talking about?
Funny how the visualpolitik in Spanish is way different than the English version and is more critical of what the Haitians are doing with the building of the Canal. The 11 canals built by the Dominican Republic does not break any treaties with Haiti. The canal built in the Haitian side has not been studied and does not show how the canal will be an ecological disaster. The Dominican government has every right to protect its borders water source and is taking the case to the international court.
Yes...One side violent "children" and other side 'adults"... What could go wrong? The USA has many crime ridden Haiti type sectors.... They are so Haiti- like that Walmarts and Targets are forced to close.
All the positive propaganda ( TV ads) , politics, favoritism , pandering only seems to make things worse...😢
@@marekcracovia4061 sure, like Haiti did not exploit the Dominican Republic to pay their debt to France. For 22 years we were exploited. One of the factors we fought for our independence. We also had to pay debt to Europe. Germany attempted to invade us for that reason. We could not pay our debt. That is why the United States invaded us in 1904 and 1916. We did not pay off our debt till 1947. Of you are unaware, Haiti had a higher GDP till 1960. It took us all that time to catch up to the size of Haiti’s economy. Everyone acts like Haiti was in the poor house all 200 plus years of its existence. Haiti also has to take responsibility for its plight.
@@marekcracovia4061 sure, like Haiti did not make the Dominicans pay any of the debt while they ruled the western side for 22 years. That is part of the reason why the Dominican people fought for their independence during the Haitian occupation. If you know Dominican History, the Dominican Republic was invaded twice in the early 20th century. In 1904 and again in 1916. The reason they were invaded was because European nations like Germany were threatening to invade for not paying money owed. The Dominican Republic did not pay its debt till 1947. Another thing that no one talks about is that Haiti was not always as poor as it is today. The Dominican Republic did not reach Haiti’s GDP till 1960. Before Trujillo came to power, Haiti was much more prosperous than the Dominican Republic. Let’s not make Haiti look like they were always as poor as it is today. Haiti’s needs to take some responsibility for their plight. Stop playing who is the most oppressed Olympics.
There are so many errors in this video starting from the very beginning... I'm very disappointed.
They are not Spanish speaking countries. The Dominican Republic's language is Spanish since it was colonized by Spain and Haiti's language is Haitian Creole. Not the same.
Which would make DR a Spanish speaking country lol
@@Jrod110 You misunderstood my comment. They called both countries Spanish speaking countries...in plural. I was explaining that one is and the other one isn't.
The border wall between DR and Haiti is necessary.
no doubt.
As a Haitian I agree 👍
I've known a number a Caribbean folks in my life. I haven't ever heard a single good thing about Haiti from any of them. It's like the wild down there.
Don't let no one fool you it's wild in the DR too
Caribbean people saying bad things about Haiti. How many of the Caribbean people you spoke with, have lived in Haiti for you to be asking them?
Sounds like a lie to me.
@@laken1804 you'll have to forgive me. I don't keep a database of all the people I talk to containing all their life information. But one of the greatest men I ever had the honor to know was Dominican. His dad was killed by a gang of Haitians with machetes. Another from Trinidad and Tobago, had his home burned down by Haitians bc he had the gawl to join the Army. I haven't handled or encountered a taipan but I know well enough to stay the hell away from them.
I'm born in England but my roots are in Belize and Africa and I can say that I have grown up around people from Haiti and they are very nice people
@@sbaby-kg8hn Thanks for the love ❤
I’m so sick and tired of the world expecting Haiti to be DR’s burden of responsibility. DR has its own problems, while dealing with a corrupt government. I hope and pray that someday Haiti can find the next Bukele, so that Haiti can FINALLY get out of its MISERABLE rut.
There are about 700k haitian living peacefully in the Dominican Republic, we need to protect ourself, hatians have a grudge against us
Pump those numbers up. Way more than that sadly..
there millions of Haitians in the DR
Maybe the grudge is due to the behavior?
As a Haitian most Haitians don’t have grudges against the Dominican Republic
@@andretait2817 What behavior? Haiti has been hostile towards us for centuries. Specifically, because we're mixed race. Look "Beheadings of Moca" that's only one of the few documented incidents of Haitians murdering us specifically for the sole purpose of wiping out mixed-race people. They're even now blaming mulattos in Haiti for their downfall, despite them being a small percentage of their nation
He said the "two spanish speaking countries" and he took me out.
How am I supposed to take the rest of this seriously?😂
same here
😅😂😂
Haiti is a Spanish speaking country??? Wtf
I went to DR during the Pandemic for a short project. What a nice country (once I got out of the tourist areas : )
Unfortunately, with the rise of the Internet, the ability of criminal gangs to grow has accelerated. Most of these gangs are drug related. These countries are not equipped to deal with the gangs. The gangs are very organized with sophisticated training. Look at what is happening in Ecuador. Wow.
You forgot to mention the Dominican Republic Gangs are the ones who's SMUGGLING the guns and drugs through the borders and adding fuel to Haitis gang problems.✒️
Dominican Republic is a nice country.However, outside of tourist areas, the real, daily living of the country is extremely corrupt. The government pays people to sit at home by providing them monthly monetary allowances( botella, nominilla) through the national government bank. Have anybody seen the long lines at the end and beginning of every month? Large sections of the dominican population(young and old) will make long, but long lines at every national government banks atms to withdraw their free keep quiet monetary allowance. The dominican population will keep quiet and have become numb about illegal prostitution, increasing violent and drug related crimes, and drugs and weapons distribution, as long as they provide the population to keep quiet and not be motive to have a sustainable daily work.Chinese are quietly taking over both countries(Hispaniola) by investing in rural sustainable export fields.Chinese people keep to themselves, and work together quietly while stacking up rural fields/farms large areas.Have to live there to know the real life.
”Haiti’s farmers and government have not given in. They defend their right to exploit their own natural resources, and well they're right. After all, the canal they're building has its origins in the 2 and a half km of river on Haitian soil”
Actually, the situation is more complex. The river predominantly flows through the Dominican Republic, entering Haiti for only two kilometers before returning to the Dominican Republic. Thus, it represents a shared natural resource, not solely belonging to Haiti. The existing treaty between the two countries mandates joint negotiation for its usage in the border area, highlighting the need for collaborative management rather than unilateral actions.
“What’s more, it's logical that they would seek the construction of this canal with food insecurity affecting at least five of its 11 and a half million citizens. It's estimated that the canal would increase rice cultivation in such a way as to ensure food for at least 4 million Haitians.”
The effectiveness of the canal is unclear. The authorities responsible for the canal's construction have not disclosed any plans or studies, which is a requirement under the border treaty. The core of the controversy lies here. The Dominican government's opposition stems from concerns that this project is not merely an irrigation endeavor but an attempt to divert the river entirely into Haiti, potentially drying up downstream areas. Such an action would directly contravene the stipulations of the bilateral treaty
“This position is also shared by the former president and candidate of the Dominican opposition for the May 2024 elections, Leonel Fernandez. He relied on a study by the National Institute of Water Resources of the Dominican Republic to support the Haitian project and called the Dominican government's position exaggerated and hypocritical, especially considering that the Dominican Republic has 11 canals similar to the one Haiti is building.”
Leonel Fernandez's critique appears to be politically motivated, given his candidacy in the upcoming presidential election. His arguments, while noting the Dominican Republic's use of similar canals, miss a crucial point. The border treaty permits internal usage of the river within each country's borders. The Dominican Republic's canals, designed for irrigation, do not significantly alter the river's flow (it is beyond dispute that the river is currently flowing, right?). In contrast, Haiti's project seems to be more than just an irrigation canal, as evidenced by their reluctance to share project details with the Dominican Republic, raising questions about the project's true nature and compliance with the treaty
I was about to clarify some of these points, but you did it better and clearer than I would do it, well done.
Question. When the DR created those 11 canals, did it inform Haiti on EVERY canal that was made? It's looking like a one-sided argument, and Haiti isn't supposed to have anything at all to help itself. Sadly, the State in Haiti is against the Haitian people as well as the West itself. Why talk to the DR when it routinely discriminates, even law-abiding Haitians with proper papers. Tell me if I am lying?
@@MrJohnnyBlaiseMost of those are not canals but water intakes, meaning they're smaller and don't divert too much water from the river, but regardless of that you can build canals or intakes in the river, but not the area that serves as borderline between two countries. For example the Artibonito river is also a borderline river, yet the Peligre Dam in Haiti doesn't violate the treaty because the dam is far from the border.
@LD33004 You do know that the canal is not even completely finished? So how are you even finished? And those intakes, when did your country informed Haiti
@@MrJohnnyBlaise I know it's not finished yet. As for the other intakes, if they're far from the borderline it can be done unilaterally by each country, that's why I mention the Peligre Dam, there was no problem with it's construction because it's far from the borderline. The only canal on this side that's questionable because it's too close to the borderline is the Vigía Canal that was built around 2008, but the construction was halted and was never connected to the river.
Who wouldn't want to have a wall with Haiti as a neighbor 😂
We have always been separate. We are divided by history, language and culture.
They are NOT two spanish speaking countries. Haitians speak french.
Please get your facts right. Haiti is not Spanish speaking.
As much as I hated Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, who was our dictator for 31 years. He horribly killed about 37,000. Haitians but NOT because he was racist but because he saw a MAJOR trend for years of the Haitians SETTLING land and obtaining properties without becoming legal immigrants in the Dominican Republic. He saw how they were quietly penetrating and crossing the border and dared to fill land spaces in a semi-stealthy manner. The provinces of Dajabon, Santiago Rodriguez, Montecristi, Barahona, Azua, and San Cristobal, this is to name a few. Years prior to Trujillo having committed genocide against the Haitians he had given 30% of the Dominican land to Haiti so they wouldn't have any excuse to crossover and settle in lands of our country. Trujillo ordered the genocide in a three-part speech in Dajabon in the year 1937. About 1 month later he warned them again to go back to Haiti to no avail and then one month later for the third time he gave them one last warning he demanded Haitians to return to Haiti Please bear in mind some differences in the culture of Haitians and Dominicans. This is only one example: Most Haitians in the Dominican Republic do not have a national personal identification card so when they commit a crime the police cannot find them !!. this is why is so easy for them to come across the border, they simply walk right through! Their government is planning to provide Hatian citizens with a national voting ID with the assistance of the OAS to the ONI. This does not mean that every illegal immigrant in the Dominican Republic.
Both sides of the Wall or Perimeter Fence are territory of the DR 🇩🇴, because it is built within the DR 🇩🇴 about 5 meters from the Pyramids that divide and mark the border dividing line of the DR 🇩🇴 and Haiti 🇭🇹 established by the Border Treaty of 1929. According to said Treaty, both countries must leave a space of 5 meters on both sides of the pyramids to preserve their conservation. But said space does not stop belonging to its respective country.
how you going to build. when the whole Originally belongs to haiti .
@@westindians882 that seems ridiculous to me.
@@westindians882 🤣 Both the territory that France 🇫🇷 occupied on the Island of Hispaniola and the territory of current Haiti 🇭🇹 were ceded by bilateral treaties such as Aranjuez 1777 and the Border Treaty of 1929 and 1936. WHICH SHOWS THAT YOU HAD NEVER HAD ANYTHING AND YOU HAVE NEEDED TO BE RECOGNIZED BY SPAIN 🇪🇦 1777 AND THEN BY THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 🇩🇴 1929 RESPECTIVELY TO GUARANTEE YOUR TERRITORY.
EVEN, DOMINICANS, CUBANS AND PUERTO RICAN ARE THE ONLY HEIRS OF THE TAINE CULTURE, IN ADDITION TO HAVING TAINE GENES PROVEN BY US STUDIES 🇺🇲.
@@westindians882 CURRENT 🤣 HAITI 🇭🇹 ARE NOT THE PRE-COLOMBIAN TAÍNOS WHO CALLED HAITI TO THE MOUNTAIN PART OF THE ESPAÑOLA. When France 🇫🇷 brought its African ancestors to Hispaniola starting in 1650 👉 The ancestors of the Dominicans 🇩🇴(Spaniards 🇪🇦, Taínos and Africans brought by Spain), were more than 150 years old as the Colony of Santo Domingo since 1492.
EVEN, DOMINICANS, CUBANS AND PUERTO RICAN ARE THE ONLY HEIRS OF THE TAINE CULTURE, IN ADDITION TO HAVING TAINE GENES PROVEN BY US STUDIES 🇺🇲.
@westindians882 Dominicans already were on the island before the French brought the slaves that became most of the Haitian population. Dominicans have some native blood as well.
Dominicans defeated Haiti every time they tried to invade. So nope the island doesnt "belong" to Haiti in any way you try to look at it.
“…Dominican republic doing to curb the rise of Haitian gangs, why do we say the two spanish speaking countries are at logger heads over water”
Dude Haiti speaks Creolé the Dominican republic speaks Spanish.
Totally agree
Haiti 🇭🇹 stole 11% of the DR territory 🇩🇴, that is, 6,200 km2 in total. During the Annexation of the DR 🇩🇴 to Spain 🇪🇸, in January 1862, Queen Elizabeth II made a Royal Ordinance demanding Haiti 🇭🇹 11% of the Dominican-Spanish territory. As the border limits of the DR 🇩🇴 were established by the Treaty of Aranjuez of 1777. (These limits were in the Constitution of the DR 🇩🇴 until the Reform of the Constitution of 1929).
Note: (1861-1865) During the period of the Annexation of the DR 🇩🇴 within Spain 🇪🇦, there was no slavery, but there was in Cuba 🇨🇺 and Puerto Rico 🇵🇷.
Territories: Hinchas, San Miguel de la Atalaya, San Rafael de la Angostura, Las Caobas and the entire Laguna del Fondo, with 4,572 km2 equal to 8% of the territory of the DR 🇩🇴 and transferred by Hora Vázquez in the Border Treaty of 1929 NOT YET RATIFIED (I.E., NOT YET APPROVED BY THE DOMINICAN CONGRESS).
Territories: Veladero, El Saltadero and La Miel, being 1,628 km2 equal to 3% of the territory of the DR 🇩🇴 and ceded by Trujillo in the Review Protocol of the Border Treaty of 1929. BUT WITH THE RATIFICATION OF THIS LATEST AGREEMENT, TRUJILLO NOT ONLY HE GAVE AWAY THE TERRITORY, BUT HE ALSO GIVEN UP THE LEGAL RIGHTS OF THOSE TERRITORIES.
The treaty of 1929 was a huge mistake that is felt today in Dominican Republic. Hopefully one day they can take back those territories
😂how you going to build. when the whole Originally belongs to haiti .
if it was for mix bread wouldn't exist for 🇩🇴😂
@@westindians882the whole original territory belongs to Spain the actual Dominican Republic!
@@westindians882 stop the cap and you clearly lack knowledge on history because before French bought the slaves to western part there wasn’t no such thing as a country call Haiti that was composed of sub Saharan
In his book “Trujillo and Haiti”, historian Bernardo Vega refers to the fact that, over time, there has been an inaccuracy in the number of victims of “the parsley massacre.”
However, he supports his own analysis in relation to the figure in the population censuses carried out before and after the event as well as the reports of the North American officials who were at the customs posts on the Dominican border on that date. Haitian.
The last population census before the massacre, carried out in 1936, indicated, according to Vega, that the number of Haitians residing in the country amounted to 8,492. “This allows us to reach the conclusion that the dead fluctuated between 4,000 and 6,000,” he dictated in his work.
Important to clarify what we consider it was horrible, and We aren't cleaning up Trujillo's acts, and they weren't justified.
@@vladimirreyes1938 That's how it is! Precisely, you think the same. However, activists try to get all Dominicans to support this horrible tragedy.
@@Bartolo.Gonzalezthe Haitians were committing crimes in border regions. Dominican farmers were complaining about their cows being stolen even as recently as last year this was still going on trujillo simply answered his people and also got revenge for the massacre Haitians committed against Dominicans
What about the murders have committed by haitain all throughout moca and santiago over children and families kill. Ever since Haitians have entered Dominican Republic. They've been committed murders and atrocities and they don't keep count of that at all
There were not more than 500 people in the area at that time. So, the data of 4000 is completely a lie. Haiti government said that it was 4000 people killed because he wanted to claim more money for compensation.
Always like this channel's video, but I must point out at least one mistake: Haiti is French Speaking, not Spanish Speaking.
Haiti is the definition of chaos. The DR absolutely must defend and control their border. The two nations have distinct and very different cultures, and Haiti’s history of aggression against the Dominicans must be taken into account.
Oh, really? Have you forgotten about Parsley massacre? Who is victim?
As a neutral Jamaican with Haitian and Dominican family, the story is far more complex than this, and even VP mischaracterized some of the history in this video, speaking little to nothing about Spanish or French interference with the two countries, nor Haiti's assistance to northern South American countries to fight against colonialism. DR is doing well today, taking advantage of cheap Haitian labor, tourism, and constant foreign intervention in Haiti (not to mention the natural disasters) has torn the country apart. Dominicans keep Haitian slaves in areas of the country near the border as you read this, yet we talk about DR being the victims... only simpletons see this dynamic in binary terms.
@@nicolash6553you said neutral yet you sound pro Haitian. Dominican middle class doesn’t support cheap Manuel labor because it bring the economy down while favoring the elites . Perhaps you can also blame the elites of Haiti too
@@nicolash6553 Haiti has a lot of slaves inside of Haiti. Haitians face the most danger inside Haiti than they do in the DR or any other place they migrate to in the world. Haitians work in the DR and in poor conditions but even in those conditions, they know it is still better than how they are in Haiti.
The problem is that many groups including Black Americans and Caribbeans always see Haiti as the "victims" and DR as the "bad guy" This is one of the few videos that shows the numerous Haitian invasions and the defeats that Haiti suffered by smaller Dominican forces after 1844.
DR has suffered foreign intervention including by the Haitians as well and Dominicans were forced to pay part of the Haitian debt to France.
While DR does benefit from Haitian cheap labor, the Dominican budget also goes to Haitian healthcare and births that many of them cant get in Haiti. The cheap labor also hurts Dominican workers as well.
@@rafm3068 Thank you for expanding on my point, which is exactly why I said it's a complex situation. There are no good or bad guys here, nor was that the claim. However, some of us seem content with point fingers and not solving problems. This video did a good job of spelling out a current issue, but needs reworking of the historical record and impressions it inferences. While it does indeed highlight the numerous Haitian invasions and incursions, it leaves quite a lot left to be desired with respect to context, which is always something to consider when discussing history; again, conveniently leaving out the larger picture that encompasses these two nations.
To be clear, I am less concerned with arguing about what happened and who did what, and who is or isn't Taino... and instead solving the problem noted regarding constant instability in Haiti. And at the moment, DR is not being a good steward to their neighbor, though there was clearly never an intention nor mandate to do as such. I could say the same for Jamaica, expelling Haitian migrants and the same rhetoric from our PM, even though we have enough problems of our own to deal with as one unified island nation. But let's call it like it is, at a bare minimum...
If haiti wants to break the 1929 Peace treaty, they better give us the territory of Hincha back.
how you going to build. when the whole Originally belongs to haiti .
@@westindians882where did you get that information? The whole island does not belong to Haiti. The Spanish were on that island prior to France occupying the west part of the island. Dominicans per se were already mixing as Spanish, African, and Taínos prior to French bringing slaves to the west part of the island. Only reason France occupied the west side of the island was because Spain gave it to them.
@@marekcracovia4061 who should we give the land back? 99% of Haitians are African descendants.
@@marekcracovia4061 🤣🤣🤣🤣 omg I can’t
@@marekcracovia4061Dominicans are the descendants of the taino natives that’s why we have most of the land
Small correction, Brunei does not share a border with Indonesia. Rather they share a border with Malaysia.
Papua new guinea also does not share a border with east timor. They share a border with Indonesia.
This vid is a disaster
The Great Wall of Dominican Republic
And it needs to get greater. We need a wall like what Egypt has bordering Gaza or Spain & Morrocco lol now THAT is a wall lol
Any leader trying to protect their own country is called Trump 😅.
Makes me think even more that Trump was onto something.
@@angrydragon4574Only that appealing to the lowest common denominator is a universal political tactic when you’ve got nothing else of substance to offer.
@@OneBentMonkey Nothing to offer? The economy was way bettet with Trump than Biden. Trump was also VERY tough on China while Biden much less so.
@@angrydragon4574 Yawn
@@OneBentMonkey You have no points so you move for smug dismissal? How amusing.
1. The Island of Hispaniola is NOT divided in half!
2. The Dominican Republic makes up 2/3 and the Haitian Nation occupies 1/3.
3. The Dominican Republic speaks Spanish.
The Haitian Nation spoke French and now speaks Creole.
The Haitians arent building a canal, they are deviating the course of the river completely into Haitian territory. This is going to leave thousands of Dominicans without access to the river and it's going to cause serious environmental damage in what was downstream.
Source...??
@@rpgvag The size of the trench is way too big for such a small river. The Dominicans actually had to build a small tributary canal to try to make up for what was going to be lost.
@SR-pb6wf He said the DR has 11 similar canals... If that's the case what are they complaining about?
@@rpgvag Those are small acual canals, they dont change the course of the river.
Spanish is not an oficial language of Haiti.
Every Dominican I know agrees with this almost whole heartedly lol
Very true. But there is a globalist/socialist movement that is trying to assert that there should be NO border and that must be fought and never allowed to come to pass.
BUILD THAT WALL!!!
I don't blame the Dominicans for wanting a wall. The DR is a beautiful island paradise with great people. I honeymooned there and had the most wonderful time. I'd hate to see it get ruined.
The crazy part is there are growing factions in Haiti that think it’s so bad, they want to functionally surrender the nation to the DR, and unite the island under the Dominican Republic. But the DR has run the numbers and realized that between controlling the crime, infrastructural updates, and the money they’d need to sink into bringing everything up to their standard, it would be a massive net loss for YEARS.
So, in the end, while some people may not like the wall, there really isn’t much of an alternative to the situation. After all, it isn’t the Dominican Republic’s responsibility to help Haiti get its shit together. If we can blame any nation on the outside for it, it’s France.
France had not had a hand in Haitian politics for centuries.
@@JG-MVnobody gives more support to Haitians than the Dominicans but there’s only so much that a small country that isn’t very rich and needs to look out for it own can do. There’s a limit to all charity and Haiti is unfortunately just a money sink for anyone that tries to help.
@@meneither3834 Oh but France did get involved. Check out the Haiti independence debt.
@@meneither3834the debt killed them
Even without that, taking on a very poor, very violent populace as large as your own, would destroy the DR.@@JG-MV
They are not both Spanish Speaking Countries. One speaks Spanish, the other one Creole.
I was just wondering about the DR the other day. Thanks for the info!
Much LOVE for your Videos
Now, a border wall ain’t so crazy anymore eh?
Haiti is now becoming Somalia.
This is my first exposure to Jake as a host and I actually like listening to him
One country wants to live orderly under law, the other prefers chaos and crime. Not hard to understand why the differences.
The failure of Haiti sliding back into tribes/gangs, can't be overstated. You can't govern 11+ million people without a main authority. Haiti is also doomed by its denuded lands, water problems, failing economy, and lack of any real allies, to help. A pandemic with a much more lethal virus than COVID, could easily race through the populace, at any time, and what structure would stop it? They live on the edge of many disasters.
and you country is perfect how? Prostitution illegal .
Haití already had a more lethal epidemic... It is a major center of Cholera in the region.
@marekcracovia4061 I agree buy. it's happening worldwide not just haiti.
They're not both Soanish-speaking. Haiti speaks French or French-creole.
Thanks!
I took a Royal Carribean cruise to the DR last December and really enjoyed the country. Alot of new construction giving the impression their economy is growing and doing well. Our tour Dominican tour guide was funny as heck and extremely optimistic about the direction of the country, very proud of it. He asked that we advertise DR as a tourist destination because 80% of their economy is now tourism and they want it to keep growing. Me and my friend will definitely be back on another cruise to see more of it. We were also supposed to port in Labadee Haiti but a huge storm swept in right after the ship docked so the captain recalled everyone back to the ship. Me and my friend were just heading to the gangway and never got the chance to step foot into Haiti. I was told that cruise cancellations such as ours is not good for the locals since they have markets there and only 1-2 ships come per week now. We sailed to DR literally the next day and the weather cleared up and was beautiful. Haiti just cannot get a break from the bad stuff.
DR burrowed the Capital for those building projects. That does not mean the economy is booming. Faux economic boom..
It should be built... Maybe even separate totally by digging a canal ...Dominican Republic has been making huge strides in growing it's economy while Haiti's has collapsed with ongoing internal strife...😢
Don't blame them at all.
you know nothing about africa
@@michleslazlou7398Africa or the Caribbean?
And the host on this channel are always changing
Glad to see you travel to Hispaniola for this in depth expose.
I love Dominican Republic!! ❤
Dominican Republic: builds a wall
Trump: 👁👄👁
Your ahead of your time. Odd fighting just began again.
I feel that the political situation will keep simmering on the back burner for many years into the future. I don't believe that either side will declare war but peace isn't an option either.
Peace can only be an option if Haiti becomes stable and grows their economy and most of the migrants return to their side of the island. Until then Haiti is a present and growing threat to our stability.
THE AMOUNT FROM 9,000 TO 20,000 IS ANOTHER REPETITION. HOW DID THAT NUMBER DIE? The 1936 Census in the DR 🇩🇴 states that there were only 8,492 Haitians. SO THAT NUMBER OF DEATHS IS NOT CORRECT.
They also killed blk Dominicans as well, there were causalities on both sides
@@imani55555 No, blacks dominicans could say perejil and saved their lives.
@@alexanderdelacruz3162 it didn’t matter it was mainly about your skin color
@@imani55555 If saying the word and proving that you were Dominican excluded you from the massacre, then it was not a question of skin color. They were simply looking for Haitians to eradicate them from the area, no more ground was going to be ceded to Haiti, El Jefe done a good job.
@@imani55555 THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE AND A SPECULATION. They did not kill black-skinned Dominicans in 1937, because all Dominicans have Spanish as their mother tongue. We all know how to pronounce the LETTER R. Therefore, we do not make a mistake in pronouncing PARSLEY, and for that reason, Trujillo applied this mechanism: The word PARSLEY.
The Haitians literally invaded and tried to colonise the DR. I'd build a wall too.
1.) Island 🏝️ Of Ireland 🇮🇪 (Northern Ireland and Ireland)
2.) Island 🏝️ Of Cyprus 🇨🇾 (Northern Cyprus and Cyprus)
3.)Borneo (Brunei, Malaysia 🇲🇾 and Indonesia 🇮🇩)
4.)Island of New Guinea 🇬🇳 (Indonesia and New Guinea 🇬🇳)
5.) Island 🏝️ of Timor (East Timor and Indonesia 🇮🇩)
6.) Island 🏝️ Of St. Martin and St. Maarten
7.) Thank God Greenland 🇬🇱, Madagascar 🇲🇬, Australia 🇦🇺, Cuba 🇨🇺, Jamaica 🇯🇲, Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 and Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 didn’t get divided/Partitioned
Cyprus as British enclaves because of Turkrys 1974 invasion too.
Puerto Rico is a U.S territory.
They were partitioned by the empires to cause war and ethnic genocide so that then they can occupy them and build military bases.
You’re wrong
That river doesn’t start in Haiti …
You butchered the president's surname but thanks for the laugh & an otherwise great video
Though you probably should have mentioned that the treaty signed with Haiti specifically says the Haiti cannot dam the river.
WHY DON'T THEY SAY IT? A LARGE PART OF THE GOODS FROM HAITI 🇭🇹 GO THROUGH DR CUSTOMS 🇩🇴, BOTH TO LEAVE AND TO ENTER.
This is like when you separate different types of trash for recycling, yet they all go to the same landfill.
WHEN THEY ASSERT YOU THAT THEY ARE 2 HISPANIC COUNTRIES, WHEN HAITI 🇭🇹 IS FRANCOPHONE, THE INFORMATION IS NOT RELIABLE.
2.07 + They ARE NOT "two Spanish speaking countries". Haiti is French speaking along with the local creole. A lot of people in both countries speak English and/or Americanese or a mixture of the two.
Not going to invest in a video which starts out claiming Haiti is a Spanish speaking country
Yes a barrier is a good idea.
Suggestion: the tempo of the video is uncomfortably fast, but 0.75 speed is too slow... perhaps 0.85-0.90 of the current host speech patterns?
The title The DR wants to separate from Haiti. First of all, it s two totally independece counries. 2nd, The title should ve be. The DR wants safety for their people.
Good wall is helpful for good neighbors
Yup somebody didn’t do their full research. Although some Haitians speak spanish, it is not their main language, instead it is French and creole.
Dominicans has always been separated from Haiti. That border has always been there.
Haiti was born from French piracy in the Tortuga Island.
Stop talking nonsense.
The 2 Spanish speaking countries. Anyone who is doing a report on Hati and Dominican republic who says this has lost my interest in anything else they have to say
Two Spanish-speaking countries?
No Haiti speaks a form of French Creole I believe
I just realized you posed that sarcastically lol
Cheers
It is amazing, on the same island, both about the same size - but economically so so different. Must be the leaders.
You dont negotiate with criminals and gang leaders, Dominican sovereignty and independence is the most important thing we have and every dominican must defend it, without it we will have the same fate as Haiti.