@@joebutcher7456 LSV is condescending to most commentators and sort of low key flirty with Gaby Spartz Watch when they commentate together it’s sort of cringe Cedric Phillips is good on commentary Riley knight is good Marshall is good
@bad voodoo year late but I definitely agree. Although I’ve never liked Marshall Sutcliffe. Just something about his obvious calls just doesn’t keep me engaged when he talks.
I'm an absolute noob to the competitive pro circuit, but Riley's commentary made this match all the more emotional one for the viewers! First and only match I've viewed that I got that good-feel vibe.
Apologize for the noob question but, out of curiosity, why wasn't Gary attacking with the flying Thopters in game 2? They could've flown under the bridge, but still be unblockable, right?
Whilst the Thopters can still attack (Gary has one card in hand), the Delvers have flipped into Insectile Aberration which has flying. Ensnaring Bridge only stops creatures attacking, not blocking so the 3/2's would block the 1/1s. Hope this has helped.
They just called the creature as grey ogre is a 2/2 and the vintage name for a 2/2 for 3 like squire is a 1/2 for 2, the actual card played was Simian Spirit Guide which can exile itself for mana from your hand
Question, do we know if he tried casting the spells into chalice to try to trick Gary into letting it resolve, or if it was an honest mistake (a lot of stress obviously happens and they have a lot going on in their heads)? I know their are things in place for misrepresenting game state and etc, but it just seems scummy if he did that on purpose.
At Comp Rel and up (this was Pro Rel), you are not required to remember your own triggers. It is not scummy or cheating to cast a spell your opponent's Chalice would counter, just good play because what if they miss it? Obviously, casting spells into your OWN Chalice would be Cheating, which is drastically different. Basically, wasn't a mistake, also wasn't scummy.
Colgate Lampinen sorry that was a typo. You are not required to remind your opponent of their triggers, but ignoring your own intentionally is cheating.
If it was mtgo, you can't forget. Game rules says it should happen. It shouldn't be "if he forgets and I get to resolve it because he forgets...". It seems scummy to play into a chalice on the off chance he forgets to get a win. Even if it's not against the rules, anyone who does that at any level of play knowingly (forgetting the chalice on accident is reasonable, but if you know it SHOULD be countered and hope it doesn't) then you lose my respect as a human being. It's like breaking a law because it's only illegal if you get caught.
Jacob Arnold you should definitely not leave fnm and move up to comp rel and pro rel then because you're in for a world of hurt. Mtgo doesn't allow you to forget because it would slow everything down irreparably if you had to click yes I want to remember this trigger every time something wants to resolve. Also, by entering a comp rel event it is assumed you have a basic understanding of the magic tournament rules, which dictate that it is the responsibility of the players to remember their own things and avoid making mistakes. If your opponent forgets to attack you when you're tapped out with no creatures to block are you going to remind them to attack you and take damage? People make mistakes and better players should be allowed to capitalise because they've put in the effort NOT to make mistakes. If your opponent registers 27 basic lands in their 40 card limited deck at a GP are you going to fan out their deck before the start of game 1 and fix it for them? It's no different.
Searched way down here at the comments section just to find this comment pertaining to these ball-scratches moment caught on the camera. Glad to found one.
The Trinisphere that came down at the 29:00 minute mark does that negate his chalice? Chalice is set to one, but everything costs three now so shouldn't his opponent be able to play his one drops now since they cost three? Or does the official casting cost stay one even though it is costing three mana? Anyone know how that works for sure? P
not a judge, so I can't be sure, but I think Trinisphere does not change the converted mana cost, only the amount of mana you have to pay, just like any other cost reduction/increase effect (Thalia, Goblin Warchief, etc.)
Marco Della Torre,,,, It seems that is true because later in the match when his opponent tried to play a lightning bolt he pointed to the chalice and it went to the graveyard with no effect, I think. P
Chalice only considers the converted mana cost, and Trinisphere only adds an additional cost. Trinisphere is worded differently than other things that make spells cost more (Thalia, Guardian of Thraben for example). The CMC is still one even if you end up paying 3. It's commonly confused because of the way the sphere is worded.
I believe he did a mistake in forcing the rabblemaster. among pyro, angler, and delvers in the worse case... he had a lot of answers for it. force instead was the only one against blood moon and 1 of the 2 against chalice (grudge being the 2nd) so he should have saved it. that being said, that match looked so bad for delver that anything he may have done he would have probably lost anyways. blood moon, chalice, trinisphere and ensnaring bridge all in multiple copies are just way 2 much to manage for grixis delver. this prison deck was quite bad and subject to several disjointed and bad draws in general compared to the blue based brainstorm/ponder decks... but it was the perfect meta call. in fact he should have not made it to the finals had his opponent in the semis played properly with his steel stompy deck but he gave him instead a free win in g2 with a terrible blunder so good on the old man
How is Kowalski able to even declare a target with Lighting Bolt with the intention of seeing if Campbell "remembers" his Chalice is on 1? Isn't this against the rules and something a judge would point out if Campbell did in fact not see the line? Chalice isn't a may ability...
EvilSanta it's a triggered ability that goes on the stack, and yes you can forget it. The chalice triggers when a spell of the correct cmc is placed on the stack, it then attempts to counter that spell. Meaning casting a lightning bolt into a chalice on "1" and declaring a target is a correct play. It just gets cpunter when the chalice trigger resolves.
Putting a spell on the stack is always legal. Part of putting a spell on the stack is declaring legal targets. There was nothing illegal about the play
I just don't understand why he was afraid of Gary playing around sp. He knew his hand from probe and if he waited a turn for deathrite, he could still hold sp up.
If he holds SP and Gary plays the City first (as in playing around SP) then he still gets to resolve his Blood Moon and Grixis can pretty much scoop it up.
Still rewatching this 5 years later. Was such a wholesome final
Truly peak magic
he is so humble about winning the tournament, more players like him pls
"The old dead parents making a comeback here.....I guess dead parent, Pia pulled through."
@Duncan Billy nope, nobody cares
Brought a tear to my eye.
Definitely teared up at the end, you can see how much it meant to him. Well deserved, sir!
Can we get these commentators at every event? These guys rule.
Definitely agree, Riley is much better than most of the other commentators that Wizards use more regularly.
@@kielyi I'll fight you. if you think LSV and Marshall Sutcliffe are worse then you are wrong.
They are goofballs but it works great
@@joebutcher7456 LSV is condescending to most commentators and sort of low key flirty with Gaby Spartz
Watch when they commentate together it’s sort of cringe
Cedric Phillips is good on commentary
Riley knight is good
Marshall is good
@bad voodoo year late but I definitely agree. Although I’ve never liked Marshall Sutcliffe. Just something about his obvious calls just doesn’t keep me engaged when he talks.
MULL TO 5 BRINGS A TEAR TO MY EYE
One of my favorite games ever. I've been watching this whenever it gets recommended.
That Prison deck looks sweet. Pretty refreshing to see something like that reach top 8, let alone the finals!
I LOVE the banter here!! Riley is a trip, THE DELVER BANTER I CANT BREATHE!!!
That was such a cool scene post match 😅
Riley is best commentator ever hands down
he is awful
You mean most cringe ever
Gary moved my heart :')
I'm an absolute noob to the competitive pro circuit, but Riley's commentary made this match all the more emotional one for the viewers! First and only match I've viewed that I got that good-feel vibe.
What a fucking hero
im so proud of my grandpa
Is Really your grandpa?
deathrite vs bloodmoon: legacy in a nutshell
These announcers are dope. Where have they been hiding? Stop hiding them.
Tee Jay behind people like LSV and Gaby... I enjoyed this so much more than LSV & Co.
That red deck is brutal.
The best game!!! Gary, Gary, Gary... Great victory. 👍👍👍👍
What a special match. Really wish wotc would bring back something comparable to GPs. I miss them dearly.
I miss coverage like this.
damnn that was so heartwarming to watch . what a boss
Great show, great deck, great crowd
This has put me a big smile on me face
Holy crap thats indeed some next lvl sideboarding o.o
本当に環境さえあればずっと楽しめる趣味になるな。
Weeb
Never seen someone so happy, good thing he crushed grixis Delver, i'm sick of seeing Delver.
well deserved!! great player :)
"Can't believe his luck." he had it in the bag since the first shuffle.
What awesome commentary!
Oh!!! And he just laid down life's legacy!!!
Wow it's the deck to punish delvers. Great game.
what a great game that was to watch. and congrats to gary.
Truly awesome
As a none player, listening to these announcers reminds me of Calvin Ball
Gary Gary Gary!
Gary! Gary! Gary!
Why didn't Campbell play ensnaring bridge earlier in game 1
This is why Legacy is the best format - always.
No wonder Karn is almost $70 it’s the new Jace.
Such a nice guy...!
I really like this duo as a commentary team.
I miss GPs
Red prison is savage
You love to see it
Apologize for the noob question but, out of curiosity, why wasn't Gary attacking with the flying Thopters in game 2? They could've flown under the bridge, but still be unblockable, right?
Whilst the Thopters can still attack (Gary has one card in hand), the Delvers have flipped into Insectile Aberration which has flying. Ensnaring Bridge only stops creatures attacking, not blocking so the 3/2's would block the 1/1s. Hope this has helped.
blood moon, chalice so simple so effective
Why didnt he take damage from the force of will in the beginning?
I tried Pokemon and yugioh, but magic is by far my favorite.
Blood moon seems to be doing work lately
36:03 is what magic should be all about
How does oven get 3 mana turn one
thank god Riley is back :)
I love how the Grixis delver deck is playing two cards that are banned now haha. How times change :)
Its crazy to see how much this grixis deck has changed since this video!
Brilliant
Awesome
Which sleeves use Kowalski?
"The sideboard's not very good" 😆
12:45
FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's the point of 2/2 vanillas for 3 mana? Surely there must be better creatures?
They just called the creature as grey ogre is a 2/2 and the vintage name for a 2/2 for 3 like squire is a 1/2 for 2, the actual card played was Simian Spirit Guide which can exile itself for mana from your hand
Scotlaaaaand Forevaaaaaar
Question, do we know if he tried casting the spells into chalice to try to trick Gary into letting it resolve, or if it was an honest mistake (a lot of stress obviously happens and they have a lot going on in their heads)? I know their are things in place for misrepresenting game state and etc, but it just seems scummy if he did that on purpose.
At Comp Rel and up (this was Pro Rel), you are not required to remember your own triggers. It is not scummy or cheating to cast a spell your opponent's Chalice would counter, just good play because what if they miss it? Obviously, casting spells into your OWN Chalice would be Cheating, which is drastically different. Basically, wasn't a mistake, also wasn't scummy.
You are not required to remember your own triggers, but not remembering your own chalice would be cheating? You are contradicting yourself.
Colgate Lampinen sorry that was a typo. You are not required to remind your opponent of their triggers, but ignoring your own intentionally is cheating.
If it was mtgo, you can't forget. Game rules says it should happen. It shouldn't be "if he forgets and I get to resolve it because he forgets...". It seems scummy to play into a chalice on the off chance he forgets to get a win. Even if it's not against the rules, anyone who does that at any level of play knowingly (forgetting the chalice on accident is reasonable, but if you know it SHOULD be countered and hope it doesn't) then you lose my respect as a human being. It's like breaking a law because it's only illegal if you get caught.
Jacob Arnold you should definitely not leave fnm and move up to comp rel and pro rel then because you're in for a world of hurt. Mtgo doesn't allow you to forget because it would slow everything down irreparably if you had to click yes I want to remember this trigger every time something wants to resolve. Also, by entering a comp rel event it is assumed you have a basic understanding of the magic tournament rules, which dictate that it is the responsibility of the players to remember their own things and avoid making mistakes. If your opponent forgets to attack you when you're tapped out with no creatures to block are you going to remind them to attack you and take damage? People make mistakes and better players should be allowed to capitalise because they've put in the effort NOT to make mistakes. If your opponent registers 27 basic lands in their 40 card limited deck at a GP are you going to fan out their deck before the start of game 1 and fix it for them? It's no different.
Gary hopefully hit the Pub afterwards
XD these commentators! WP Garry!
17:53 is why I hate that people cut my deck...
15:27 Is why I hate a deck check from the judge....
Searched way down here at the comments section just to find this comment pertaining to these ball-scratches moment caught on the camera. Glad to found one.
I never imagined that someone could win a tournament using "Pia and Kiran Nalaar". literally the cheapest card ever used in a legacy tournament
This is why you play basics people.
k this commentator is awesome
a bunch of youngster cheering up for a 50 yo man winning a gp... how can you not love it
This Birmingham England or US?
One of the best matchs in the legacy history!
So many spells in red that could get rid of artifacts and not one added to side board.
He had the Lightning Bolt since he transform the delver, why he didnt used It to kill pia?
Chalice of the void on 1
The Scottish godfather
I hear the people screaming
Wtf the cheapest card in their deck is worth my whole card collection 😂😂😂
Bolt is only 2 bucks or so, are you sure you have a collection?
The Trinisphere that came down at the 29:00 minute mark does that negate his chalice? Chalice is set to one, but everything costs three now so shouldn't his opponent be able to play his one drops now since they cost three? Or does the official casting cost stay one even though it is costing three mana? Anyone know how that works for sure? P
not a judge, so I can't be sure, but I think Trinisphere does not change the converted mana cost, only the amount of mana you have to pay, just like any other cost reduction/increase effect (Thalia, Goblin Warchief, etc.)
Marco Della Torre,,,, It seems that is true because later in the match when his opponent tried to play a lightning bolt he pointed to the chalice and it went to the graveyard with no effect, I think. P
Chalice only considers the converted mana cost, and Trinisphere only adds an additional cost. Trinisphere is worded differently than other things that make spells cost more (Thalia, Guardian of Thraben for example). The CMC is still one even if you end up paying 3. It's commonly confused because of the way the sphere is worded.
Their decks probably cost more than my house.
well not cambpell's deck... probably that was the cheapest one of the tournament
@@odoacredacalcutta5085 sure... because an complete foil deck including 7th edition Ensnaring Bridge's doesnt cost a dime...
it's Kowalski not Koualski :)
Pyro prision rules
Glad to see grixis loose, and glad to have now the Probe and Deadrite banned.
go Grzegorz! go Poland!
Avacyn yeah!
Not fond on the way he put both cards back from brainstorm.. too easy for sleight of hand..
Why didnt gary sacrifice city of traitors after playing so many lands??
Blood moon removes that text :)
Way to go John McCain
Still the cards are not displayed properly on screen ano 2018. Great job....
gg
They need to force a shuffle rule or have judge reshuffle then cut
If kowalski force the chalice game 2 doesn't he have a better chance at winning
I believe he did a mistake in forcing the rabblemaster. among pyro, angler, and delvers in the worse case... he had a lot of answers for it. force instead was the only one against blood moon and 1 of the 2 against chalice (grudge being the 2nd) so he should have saved it. that being said, that match looked so bad for delver that anything he may have done he would have probably lost anyways. blood moon, chalice, trinisphere and ensnaring bridge all in multiple copies are just way 2 much to manage for grixis delver. this prison deck was quite bad and subject to several disjointed and bad draws in general compared to the blue based brainstorm/ponder decks... but it was the perfect meta call. in fact he should have not made it to the finals had his opponent in the semis played properly with his steel stompy deck but he gave him instead a free win in g2 with a terrible blunder so good on the old man
That Chalice for zero in game 2 I believe was for Force of Will
Zooescape no it's a force of will is a 5 drop no matter what and Gary was just playing redundant artifacts to sacrifice to pia and kiran nalaar
*GARY GARY GARY GARY GARY*
this is why you need to run basics in you're deck, blood moon punishes people with greedy manabases
So many banned cards now! Deathrite, Probe, almost not worth watching but I am, I am.
Actually fell asleep...
Kowalski about to lose first game
*Kowalski analysis*
How is Kowalski able to even declare a target with Lighting Bolt with the intention of seeing if Campbell "remembers" his Chalice is on 1? Isn't this against the rules and something a judge would point out if Campbell did in fact not see the line? Chalice isn't a may ability...
EvilSanta it's a triggered ability that goes on the stack, and yes you can forget it.
The chalice triggers when a spell of the correct cmc is placed on the stack, it then attempts to counter that spell. Meaning casting a lightning bolt into a chalice on "1" and declaring a target is a correct play. It just gets cpunter when the chalice trigger resolves.
Putting a spell on the stack is always legal. Part of putting a spell on the stack is declaring legal targets. There was nothing illegal about the play
Why didn't the delver deck counter blood moon??!
MrSonictheOtter he had 2 mana with for SP and delver blow the force on 3sphere
I just don't understand why he was afraid of Gary playing around sp. He knew his hand from probe and if he waited a turn for deathrite, he could still hold sp up.
If he holds SP and Gary plays the City first (as in playing around SP) then he still gets to resolve his Blood Moon and Grixis can pretty much scoop it up.
Right, I actually didn't even see he had that city of traitors. Thanks for clearing that up
How are we suppose to see what are they playing
KOWALSKI
analysis
Oh legacy, thought this shit was standard, my dumbass