Me: **enjoying the epilogue, forgetting about Arthur's death and not thinking about RDR 1** Abigail: "How many times do I gotta bury you, John Marston?" John: "Never. You ain't never burying me." Me: **instant mood drop**
Jack was afraid back when a kid and a preteen. As a teen he was getting stronger. But all it took was the death of his parents especially his father to make him tough.
Nah it’s cuz Abigail didn’t want John to continue his past life and didn’t want jack to follow his footsteps, and John did have a lot of options, he could’ve pretended to not know anything and could’ve stayed out of everything, it eventually caused John’s life and madd Jack become the one thing Arthur and John sacrificed their lives for, become a outlaw...
@@joshuak8982 sooo you telling me when jack and john were coming back from strawberry and 3 men were following them on horse back and shot at them first, he could've just pretended not to know anything? 🤷🏾♀💁🏾♀🤔 Or the time Mr. Abel (leader of the Laramie boys) punched john first and he punched back in defense? I don't know about you but if somebody punched me I would punched them back no doubt about it.
@@dummydomdom1993 At the same time, your points are right, and John being always taught and shown to defend their own self and their family, I for sure see what you mean by how many things were unavoidable, as John’s previous life made it impossible for his future life to not be able to avoid situations like those. What I was always saying is, John could’ve stayed out of things for the sake of Jack and Abigail, so that eventually Jack would not have to live a life like John, maybe such as leaving the gang when Arthur said to leave with his family at the bridge, and maybe just not even going after Micah like Abigail said to, and I honestly think Arthur did not sacrifice himself for John to go back and risk him and his family’s safety from like the pinkertons and the other antagonists (but even this, I feel like John being such a real and passionate person, a brother to Arthur, he didn’t really have a choice to or not to go after Micah (but even if I was John in his position, I would have to go avenge the life of a brother who sacrificed his life for me and my family).
@@joshuak8982 Putting down rustlers is part of the job running a ranch. Ranchers back then had to be as good with a gun as they are with a plow. You can't just let them ride in and ride off with your livelihood. Thats how you end up starving. As John aptly put it, its his goddamn job. Abigail wants him to basically roll over like a whipped pup and let others take everything from them. She is in the wrong. You gotta defend whats yours.
So whilst Abigail is there, John faces three unfortunate events where he has to defend himself and she’s pissed off by it, but when she leaves, he faces no disturbances?
1 when the ranch was getting rob and he chase the robbers and get the stuff back was a bad thing cause by doing that everyone’s understand that he had a strange past due to his capacities and 2 the beating was unnecessary he could have just informed the ranch owner so he could have stop this, 3 the shooting when he go get abigail dress what due of him killing the brother of the guy shooting them a month ago if he dint have killed his brother nothing would have happened, 4 the ranch attack john could just ask the ranch owner to go ask help to the sheriff, if he would have do that he wouldn’t get into trouble.
@@DanteDMCSparda You know the level of hindsight that would take on Johns part. When something like that happens, he reacts to it. Its just his nature & how he spent most of his life as an outlaw. Abagail knows he's doing his best, she never calls him an outlaw, she says hes trying to be a storybook Hero. She knows hes changed, she's just frustrated and scared.
The fact that John still kept things going despite all that You can tell he truly loved his wife and his son. Despite abigal's background and the speculation that Jack not be his son. That just proves he's a better man than most men in that situation. Edit: What I meant on the time I wrote this, John was a gunslinger. Abigail was a “worker.” And had a kid with one of the camps men. We don’t know if John is even his father. He had no reason to stay with her or try to raise Jack. At the start he absolutely didn’t want to but he did. I’m pretty sure the “alleged” fathers would’ve done some BS excuse about not being the boys father and call down on Abigail for being a “worker” which they clearly did in the first game. Bill, Javier and Dutch. Demeaning her and relishing how they screwed Abigail and left John to take care of the kid. They weren’t any better than her. They were killers, and for the killer to demean a woman who I’m sure didn’t have a choice but to fall in that line of work is calling the pot calling the kettle black. I’m absolutely sure she only did what she did to survive. Hell she probably slept with them out of desperation, or survival. Especially in those times where being a woman on her own was dangerous. I’m sure that lady you escort to valentine was complete danger after she was dropped off by Arthur. We barely have a clue what happens to her but I’m sure it’s bad. A woman in those times had it rough, even worse with a kid without a father. Look at downes or even that lady in annesburg. I digress, they weren’t any better than her and to shame her is terrible. John was clearly the better man and bucked up. He stepped in and watched over both Abigail and Jack. Reluctantly at first but eventually cause he wanted to and love. The man had a chance to leave when Abigail left with Jack but he planted his feet and bought a home for all of them. He was a better man than Dutch, Javier and bill who just left. John was a real man and a true father.
@@TrystonTX Well John and Michael share a lot of similarities when you start looking at their background and personalities etc. It's pretty fascinating to see two men so similar but from completely different time periods
@@imonke5303 that’s fair. Up till then he was doubting Jack was his son. After saving Jack he didn’t care if there were doubts about Jack’s parentage he just needed to step up
I know, right? It’s not like he’s willfully trying to re-live the glory days of his outlaw life. He’s doing it because the ranch is being attacked and he has to do *something*. Mr. Geddes seems to not think he’s anything other than a hired hand who knows how to fight.
While I find that annoying, i can understand her perspective. Because if he puts himself out there more, the more likely someone is gonna get lucky and put him down. I mean, we both how it is gonna end. But she doesn't. Honestly, Abigail is being overprotective. She loves him ... too much. And she just don't want them to go away. But she also loves her son. And she thought that John is putting Jack in danger by how shoddy his explanation and how Jack reacted. If there are more hit-men going after John, Jack could be caught in the cross-fire. And no one wants that.
Nah it’s cuz Abigail didn’t want John to continue his past life and didn’t want jack to follow his footsteps, and John did have a lot of options, he could’ve pretended to not know anything and could’ve stayed out of everything, it eventually caused John’s life and madd Jack become the one thing Arthur and John sacrificed their lives for, become a outlaw...
@@HighKnight I think that sums it up in every case what John does well in the Epilogue anyway is justified but also so is Abaigails she is terrified someone will ask where the Rancher learned to be so tough, where he honed his skills and that it will lead back to his past, and in a way RD1 proves maybe she had a point.
Man everyone is focusing on the times when John is defending himself. Which are fair, but once Sadie comes through at the ranch and starts bringing up Micah you have to side with Abigail. She's completely right to be worried about what they were planning and John never should've gone with them after Micah. As much as John tried to do what Abigail wanted he didn't listen the one time it mattered most.
John wasn’t taking out his guns trying to rob a bank or take a score he did it to defend his son, the man who employed him and gave him a chance and to earn some money so he could take out the loan he needed to build and buy Abigails dream house, she was giving him way too much shit but I could understand her being a lil upset but she took it too far
A dude with the initials JM, wicked talented at shooting, fits the description of John Marston, the highly wanted Van der Linde gang member…hmmm. Nothing could go wrong with John exposing himself and his family to shoot people. Nothing at all
Feel sorry for lil Jack , his parents trying to hold it together all the while arguing every step of the way, this is most families, the real good parents are the ones who hide it from their kids ,giving them a hope at a happier life
i think everyone’s being a little hard on abigail. i agree that john didn’t have a choice with the trouble on pronghorn ranch, and that she was being unfair. but after eight years of having to run again and again because of some trouble or other that john caused, it makes sense that she’d be exhausted and scared that john would lead them back down a dangerous path. her anger and fear are emotions that have built up over the course of their relationship based on john’s pretty consistent history of violence. and she already thought she lost him once back in 1899 after the train job, she’s terrified of losing him again. basically, she’d rather her husband be a coward and die of old age alongside her after they raised their son together than be a hero and die young, leaving her and jack alone. and considering the fact that going after micah and sinking to violence and revenge is what starts the events of rdr1, you can’t really blame her.
Facts bro. And a lot of the time she’s not even angry at John, she’s upset about the life they have lived and how it follows them. And it just gets directed at John
I was quite pissed with that. What did she went him to do? Let the cargo be stolen and not get paid. Possibly lose the job because they don't need a rookie ranchhand? John was liked way more when ranchers knew he can handle himself in a fist and gunfight because he was rancher AND a guard for the ranch. And when he was followed by some asshats from Strawberry he needed to kill them or he and maybe Jack too would've been killed. She is just so shortsighted and stupid sometimes but despite that John still deeply cares for her.
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 i wish john found bonnie MacFarlane first i always liked her in red dead 1 and it was obvious she had feelings for john
She doesn't want John to get found, and those action are partly why the government was able to find him. She also wants to make sure jack has a better life, which is made difficult by John's actions.
First off he really not have a choice when dem people where following from strawberry and if he didn't kill them they would have killed Jack so it his fault she just annoying she need to know that those decisions he's making are saving her life jacks
As someone who didn't play the first game this was so awesome to play i always used to see clips for rdr1 but after i played this chapter it was just amazing 🔥 exploring John journey to salvation
I came searching John put hands on Abigail shoulder from the game I'm playing And when I finished the game John puts his hands on Abigail shoulders and they are both watching Jack and it makes me cry for joy and all I did was greet her and then he walks up and puts his hands on shoulder
John Marston: "It's my job to defend this property. I'm being paid to specifically defend this property." John: *Defends the Property* Abigail: "How dare you..."
Considering Authur died because he got TB from beating people I understand why Abigail so angry.She never have a father figure in her life but she wanted Jack to have one,if John died he can turn into an outlaw just like them this can be proven by the fact that in rdr Jack become an outlaw too after his parents’ death
I know that Abigail hate what John is doing but that's his job he's there to protect the farm she needs to calm down I know she hates what he's doing but like I said it's his job and she needs to calm down
What always bugged me is that John never thought to say he was a former soldier, there's no hiding those combat skills so why not come up with a reason for them?
@@Kyomu1212 lol lzzzz 1-0 cry mom lIllIlIIlXlIlI dumbbell set with the bugged me know if I can get the vaccine or not 🚭 or something like it is a Christmas ⛄ or something else Alright I'll just be
Yeah and Hosea. But I guess nobody gives a damn about him anymore. 😭😭😭. Everybody forgot about him by Chapter 6, not even Dutch, his basically Brother spoke about him.
Old Uncle she’s a mother trying her best to give her son a peaceful and good life, sometimes yeah she’s out of line but id do the same in that situation
Abigail is just doing the mom thing. But she needs to understand that the way of the world ain't gentle. Specially not in this time period. Men gotta be men and do what's right. Even if things get violent. Sometimes you gotta do what's wrong to do what's right.
This may have been done intentionally. Remember Arthur wrote in his journal that maybe he should have been the one to marry Abigail. Dutch says in RDR 1 “We all had her, but he (John) married her.” Abigail then gives Jack his code name “Lancelot”, a character from… King Arthur. Rockstar changed John’s face shape in the epilogue to more resemble Arthur. Aside from technical reasons, it could have been done to create more ambiguity as to who Jack’s father really is. Abigail eventually did have a daughter with John as the father, but she died young as mentioned in RDR 1.
Actually hurts said legal work killed him. At least he was also wrong on Jack not doing much with his stories. Brodie got his family revenge and became a renowned old author
I feel like Abigail is the type of woman that made the sucky rules of the school system. "Don't defend yourself. Don't intervene against bullies. Don't stand up to people. Tell A teacher or an adult so we can do jack didly shit about it." Honestly. Most of what John did in these situations was a good thing. Saved his wagon and the supplies for the farm. That cemented his chance at getting job as a hand. Defended Abe from the Laramie. What was the guy supposed to do? Let Abe get shot? All but got rid of the Laramies and saved the ranch. He made the ranch safer and secured the livelyhoods of not only himself. But most anyone on the farm. Sure. He killed bad men to do it. But. I hardly think bad men deserve to live. This idea that men shouldn't do the manly thing and do what's right. Even if it involves getting your hands dirty. Is plain asinine. Men are supposed to be men. Not pansys who shy away from the slightest confrontion.
@@pinkiepiecupcake7779 the entire gang were "bad men". Every last one of them did crimes. Robbed people. Killed people who were just doing their jobs. This includes John.
Worst bit was in the epilogue part 2 where she has a go at him for bounty hunting - which is legal work and suits his skill set more than ranching does - but he shut her up telling her it paid for the ranch
Nah, I didn’t like how John treated Jack. He criticized Jack becoming an author and criticized him for reading books. Not to mention Jack avenged his father in the end. As for Abigail, yeah she’s a nag
If you think about it it makes sense why she nags Arthur even if it does seem shitty...The more he does kill or fight he gets more and more close to being recognized by the law for his old past...I mean thats literally what happens between RDR2 and 1 he gets recognized because he killed Micah which she told him not to and he had to do all that shit...I like Abigail a lot and John to but I understand the shit they get from the community but their story is underrated
Abigail in RDR1 in 1911 “you know I can’t read John” when she’s a letter from Bonnie…Abigail in 1907 in RDR2 epilogue “My reading is becoming very good” 😂💀
If in the future there will ever be a new Rdr game… maybe it will be about Jack Or Dutch’s past or like during and after the 1850s /1860s coz getting in the 1900s mmmh, not so much western anymore. Maybe with new characters, maybe other stories or past and futures of other characters….. or Uncle’s past… so we know More about LUMBAGO!!!! Even the cook Pearson I think. Well i loves both games so who knows.
People are getting mad at Abigail but as she stated early on she hated running and John killing people made things harder she didn’t want him to slip back into the outlaw life. Once he bought Beecher’s hope she realized he changed for the better
But what the hell was john supposed 2 do in the situations. He couldnt just stand and do nothing while the supplys got robbed or dikens nearly gets killed
When I played the epilogue, I was looking forward to see how the Marstons would do, how they'd manage to get Beecher's Hope, and if their dynamics changed. But... Jack doesn't open up, he still traps himself in books, and doesn't want to speak to either his mom or dad. Abigail yearns for a better life, which they get, but gets angry over things John can't control, like those guys coming to Pronhorne Ranch for money, or the ones John had to kill in front of Jack. She doesn't support him as much as he supports her. John really did his best to be a better man, to live up to Arthur's wish to not look back, and he tries to reach out for his family. But, yeah, they don't do the same efforts. 3 : 47 It's those cute moments that kept me wishing they'd be back.
If you haven’t already learnt from real world experience, bitches indeed be tripping. Nag you for shit that either isn’t your fault or just getting pissy over everything.
Abigail I know I know you don't want John to go but Micah needs to be killed he's not a good person he ratted out on the gang. And I believe he also made Dutch turn on Arthur even though some of that had to do with Hosea's death the trolley car accident and quite a bit of Arthur doubting him. Even though all that was happening with Dutch killing people for no reason I believe Arthur and would still not betrayed Dutch.
Ngl my struggle during the whole epilougue of rdr2 was abigal never aceapting john and his past always worried or complaining about it even at the end she always reminds John of his wrong doings and yes he does die from his life as and outlaw but he dies protecting his family
I dont understand why do people hate her? She is right though. She only wants a normal happy family. She cares about John and Jack. It's not nagging, its called concern
John Marston: “Never. You ain’t never burying me.”
Me:
Bury me not, on the lone prairie
@@rosinecarail2420 where the coyotes wail and the wind blows.. but when I die don’t bury me.
*smash cut to John's burial*
@@kriscorner9390 'Neath the Western sky on the lone prairie.
Me: **enjoying the epilogue, forgetting about Arthur's death and not thinking about RDR 1**
Abigail: "How many times do I gotta bury you, John Marston?"
John: "Never. You ain't never burying me."
Me: **instant mood drop**
“ *sighs* wE sHoULd hAvE jUsT gOnE tO tAhiTi.” - John Marston, 1908
Simone Shull they really should have cos then they probably would have survived
1907
Why does everyone mess that up
1907!!!!!!!
@@CheezDoodlezzmaybe coz the 8 is right next to the 7 :/
Jack was afraid back when a kid and a preteen. As a teen he was getting stronger. But all it took was the death of his parents especially his father to make him tough.
same with john arthur , both of their parents died which made them turn into outlaws
Jack was a little asshole in RDR1 epilogue when John was trying to be a good dad.
I like Abigail but she does give John a lot of shit. Most of the time he kills people in the Epilogue was in self defense
Nah it’s cuz Abigail didn’t want John to continue his past life and didn’t want jack to follow his footsteps, and John did have a lot of options, he could’ve pretended to not know anything and could’ve stayed out of everything, it eventually caused John’s life and madd Jack become the one thing Arthur and John sacrificed their lives for, become a outlaw...
she is just afraid someone will notice him. she is tired of living on the run and hiding from the law.
@@joshuak8982 sooo you telling me when jack and john were coming back from strawberry and 3 men were following them on horse back and shot at them first, he could've just pretended not to know anything? 🤷🏾♀💁🏾♀🤔
Or the time Mr. Abel (leader of the Laramie boys) punched john first and he punched back in defense? I don't know about you but if somebody punched me I would punched them back no doubt about it.
@@dummydomdom1993 At the same time, your points are right, and John being always taught and shown to defend their own self and their family, I for sure see what you mean by how many things were unavoidable, as John’s previous life made it impossible for his future life to not be able to avoid situations like those. What I was always saying is, John could’ve stayed out of things for the sake of Jack and Abigail, so that eventually Jack would not have to live a life like John, maybe such as leaving the gang when Arthur said to leave with his family at the bridge, and maybe just not even going after Micah like Abigail said to, and I honestly think Arthur did not sacrifice himself for John to go back and risk him and his family’s safety from like the pinkertons and the other antagonists (but even this, I feel like John being such a real and passionate person, a brother to Arthur, he didn’t really have a choice to or not to go after Micah (but even if I was John in his position, I would have to go avenge the life of a brother who sacrificed his life for me and my family).
@@joshuak8982 Putting down rustlers is part of the job running a ranch. Ranchers back then had to be as good with a gun as they are with a plow. You can't just let them ride in and ride off with your livelihood. Thats how you end up starving. As John aptly put it, its his goddamn job.
Abigail wants him to basically roll over like a whipped pup and let others take everything from them. She is in the wrong. You gotta defend whats yours.
A man : “ is getting killed”
John: “steps in to save him”
Abigail : “ YoU mOrOn WhAt ArE yOu DoInG ??!!
A man is getting killed in LEGO City!
Geddes: "HEY!"
Send John out there!
Claim justice!
And endure Abigail's wrath!
*Mr. Tolbert has been killed in LEGO CITY
She annoyed the crap out of me!
@@chrisidoo I have never wheezed this hard, holy shit. Gold comment.
@@chrisidoo you are a Goddamn genius!
Abigail: my reading is gettin pretty good.
Abigail in RDR: You know I can't read.
She literally said after that "the book's jack's, and well, maybe he's doing most of the reading"
@@abdullahaltuwaijri8550 this
It's a joke when she says that.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 i laugh at your comment its funny
Maybe she gave up (something she'd never do), let her family down.
So whilst Abigail is there, John faces three unfortunate events where he has to defend himself and she’s pissed off by it, but when she leaves, he faces no disturbances?
Abel thugs had been eliminated by the time abigail decided to leave,everybody knows not to mess with geddes farm at that moment.
Well lifes unfair i tell you
Thank you for telling me
1 when the ranch was getting rob and he chase the robbers and get the stuff back was a bad thing cause by doing that everyone’s understand that he had a strange past due to his capacities and 2 the beating was unnecessary he could have just informed the ranch owner so he could have stop this, 3 the shooting when he go get abigail dress what due of him killing the brother of the guy shooting them a month ago if he dint have killed his brother nothing would have happened, 4 the ranch attack john could just ask the ranch owner to go ask help to the sheriff, if he would have do that he wouldn’t get into trouble.
@@DanteDMCSparda You know the level of hindsight that would take on Johns part. When something like that happens, he reacts to it. Its just his nature & how he spent most of his life as an outlaw. Abagail knows he's doing his best, she never calls him an outlaw, she says hes trying to be a storybook Hero. She knows hes changed, she's just frustrated and scared.
I know she wants a normal life, buuuuuuuutt expecting John, an ex-outlaw, to be civilized all the time is crazy.
marry marry It’s pretty much new to him
I got spooked when i heard Arthurs voice
Me too
Yh
I don’t think I got that! I don’t remember it :( I would have liked to hear it
Time stamp?
The fact that John still kept things going despite all that
You can tell he truly loved his wife and his son. Despite abigal's background and the speculation that Jack not be his son. That just proves he's a better man than most men in that situation.
Edit:
What I meant on the time I wrote this, John was a gunslinger. Abigail was a “worker.” And had a kid with one of the camps men. We don’t know if John is even his father. He had no reason to stay with her or try to raise Jack. At the start he absolutely didn’t want to but he did. I’m pretty sure the “alleged” fathers would’ve done some BS excuse about not being the boys father and call down on Abigail for being a “worker” which they clearly did in the first game. Bill, Javier and Dutch. Demeaning her and relishing how they screwed Abigail and left John to take care of the kid. They weren’t any better than her. They were killers, and for the killer to demean a woman who I’m sure didn’t have a choice but to fall in that line of work is calling the pot calling the kettle black. I’m absolutely sure she only did what she did to survive.
Hell she probably slept with them out of desperation, or survival. Especially in those times where being a woman on her own was dangerous. I’m sure that lady you escort to valentine was complete danger after she was dropped off by Arthur.
We barely have a clue what happens to her but I’m sure it’s bad.
A woman in those times had it rough, even worse with a kid without a father. Look at downes or even that lady in annesburg.
I digress, they weren’t any better than her and to shame her is terrible.
John was clearly the better man and bucked up. He stepped in and watched over both Abigail and Jack. Reluctantly at first but eventually cause he wanted to and love.
The man had a chance to leave when Abigail left with Jack but he planted his feet and bought a home for all of them.
He was a better man than Dutch, Javier and bill who just left. John was a real man and a true father.
Abigail's background is tame compared to John's.
Abigail pulled an Amanda De Santa on John
@@TrystonTX Well John and Michael share a lot of similarities when you start looking at their background and personalities etc. It's pretty fascinating to see two men so similar but from completely different time periods
@@alle_6297 That’s why Rockstar made a good reference
@@alle_6297 for all we know, Michael and John might be related because they have similar characters with their special aim based abilities.
I'm gonna give Abigail the, benefit of the doubt, John didn't give a sh*t about jack when he was part of the gang.
Once jack was taken by bronte John quickly came to care for him realizing Jack was his son and he needed to care for him and Abigail
@@ilovedragonball2435 I think he always cared, it just hadn't occurred to him until then
@@imonke5303 that’s fair. Up till then he was doubting Jack was his son. After saving Jack he didn’t care if there were doubts about Jack’s parentage he just needed to step up
*Ever since Arthur’s passing It’s been a bit hard for me trying to finish the game.*
His death made me want to do better as John. Lol
Understandable
It was also tough for me to becus it felt like I was playing farming simulator in the epilogue.
@@howaboutno22 😭😂😭😂yeah
You can't solve shit with a gun nomore, with Arthur you can shoot whenever you want now it's just "red dead depression"
Who else found it satisfying pulling the trigger to that shotgun when the leader kept talking about abigail
Jack reading a book ignoring his parents arguing hit a little too close to home for me.
Half the time she's not even justified to argue with him because he's just defending himself
I know, right? It’s not like he’s willfully trying to re-live the glory days of his outlaw life. He’s doing it because the ranch is being attacked and he has to do *something*. Mr. Geddes seems to not think he’s anything other than a hired hand who knows how to fight.
While I find that annoying, i can understand her perspective. Because if he puts himself out there more, the more likely someone is gonna get lucky and put him down.
I mean, we both how it is gonna end. But she doesn't.
Honestly, Abigail is being overprotective. She loves him ... too much. And she just don't want them to go away. But she also loves her son. And she thought that John is putting Jack in danger by how shoddy his explanation and how Jack reacted.
If there are more hit-men going after John, Jack could be caught in the cross-fire. And no one wants that.
@@ScarletImp Gebbes Had suspicions about him but said he didn't care as this the land of 2nd chances. He was willing to give John a fresh start.
Nah it’s cuz Abigail didn’t want John to continue his past life and didn’t want jack to follow his footsteps, and John did have a lot of options, he could’ve pretended to not know anything and could’ve stayed out of everything, it eventually caused John’s life and madd Jack become the one thing Arthur and John sacrificed their lives for, become a outlaw...
@@HighKnight I think that sums it up in every case what John does well in the Epilogue anyway is justified but also so is Abaigails she is terrified someone will ask where the Rancher learned to be so tough, where he honed his skills and that it will lead back to his past, and in a way RD1 proves maybe she had a point.
Man everyone is focusing on the times when John is defending himself. Which are fair, but once Sadie comes through at the ranch and starts bringing up Micah you have to side with Abigail. She's completely right to be worried about what they were planning and John never should've gone with them after Micah. As much as John tried to do what Abigail wanted he didn't listen the one time it mattered most.
She yells at john for nothing.....i would feed her to the dogs...he made the right choice😂
@@janjensen7661 he literally didn’t because it lead to the events of RDR 1 lmfao
@@janjensen7661John choosing to hunt down Micah is the reason he’s dead in rdr1.
John wasn’t taking out his guns trying to rob a bank or take a score he did it to defend his son, the man who employed him and gave him a chance and to earn some money so he could take out the loan he needed to build and buy Abigails dream house, she was giving him way too much shit but I could understand her being a lil upset but she took it too far
Indeed if john was my husband i be worried but of course wouldn't mind to be bad
A dude with the initials JM, wicked talented at shooting, fits the description of John Marston, the highly wanted Van der Linde gang member…hmmm. Nothing could go wrong with John exposing himself and his family to shoot people. Nothing at all
Damn, all parents want you to do nowadays is read a book, meanwhile John and Abigail keep ripping on the jack for reading
I like how you can defend both sides of the argument.
21:22 Abigail should of said “I implore you”
The scene where Abigail took Jack and left the note for John is literally identical to the scene where Amanda left Michael in GTA V
Feel sorry for lil Jack , his parents trying to hold it together all the while arguing every step of the way, this is most families, the real good parents are the ones who hide it from their kids ,giving them a hope at a happier life
His parents arguing is the least of his problems
Abigail pulled an Amanda De Santa on John
I got chills the first time I saw the scene when Jon went back to his roots to help Get Mr. Geddes cattle back. Pretty bad ass
i think everyone’s being a little hard on abigail. i agree that john didn’t have a choice with the trouble on pronghorn ranch, and that she was being unfair. but after eight years of having to run again and again because of some trouble or other that john caused, it makes sense that she’d be exhausted and scared that john would lead them back down a dangerous path. her anger and fear are emotions that have built up over the course of their relationship based on john’s pretty consistent history of violence. and she already thought she lost him once back in 1899 after the train job, she’s terrified of losing him again.
basically, she’d rather her husband be a coward and die of old age alongside her after they raised their son together than be a hero and die young, leaving her and jack alone. and considering the fact that going after micah and sinking to violence and revenge is what starts the events of rdr1, you can’t really blame her.
Facts bro. And a lot of the time she’s not even angry at John, she’s upset about the life they have lived and how it follows them. And it just gets directed at John
I gotta admit John and Abigail arguing are only best part in this game
You're a strange one, partner.
Since there’s a video of John and Abigail, I’m getting some popcorn. 🍿🥤
19:07 Fast forward to Red Dead Redemption
Don't...
Then undead nightmare…….
I love how the bad habits in that time was reading fantasy books, now most parents wish their kids were interested in reading
So basically john saves the ranch and rescues the cattle and Abigail whines and complains typical
I was quite pissed with that. What did she went him to do? Let the cargo be stolen and not get paid. Possibly lose the job because they don't need a rookie ranchhand?
John was liked way more when ranchers knew he can handle himself in a fist and gunfight because he was rancher AND a guard for the ranch.
And when he was followed by some asshats from Strawberry he needed to kill them or he and maybe Jack too would've been killed. She is just so shortsighted and stupid sometimes but despite that John still deeply cares for her.
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 i wish john found bonnie MacFarlane first i always liked her in red dead 1 and it was obvious she had feelings for john
She doesn't want John to get found, and those action are partly why the government was able to find him. She also wants to make sure jack has a better life, which is made difficult by John's actions.
Sam Ortmann he still had no choice in all the situations except going after Micah
First off he really not have a choice when dem people where following from strawberry and if he didn't kill them they would have killed Jack so it his fault she just annoying she need to know that those decisions he's making are saving her life jacks
Extra clean shaven John Marston?!!!
🤢🤢🤢
That's what I thought. I hate how he looks when hes clean shaven or even just dosent have a beard. He looks werid
lol, but he looks fine before the epilogue
lol, but he looks fine before the epilogue
Is it weird that I like how John looks extra clean shaven?
@Zayed Goki Yeah.. But I’m not afraid to say you’re right!
As someone who didn't play the first game this was so awesome to play i always used to see clips for rdr1 but after i played this chapter it was just amazing 🔥 exploring John journey to salvation
"take him out please"
*Draws revolver*
16:42 I thought she can’t read...
The person edited it so I was cut off but before that she says she got a woman to write the letter for her
Amaris Morgan oh thx for the explanation
Cut off???
15:25 her face lol
Her face 🤣🤣😂 15:27
I came searching John put hands on Abigail shoulder from the game I'm playing
And when I finished the game John puts his hands on Abigail shoulders and they are both watching Jack and it makes me cry for joy and all I did was greet her and then he walks up and puts his hands on shoulder
19:06 well, she did buried him in RDR1
10:30 she nearly fell over 😂😂
Thank uuu
John Marston: "It's my job to defend this property. I'm being paid to specifically defend this property."
John: *Defends the Property*
Abigail: "How dare you..."
That guy sounds like Steven Ogg who plays Trevor Phillips in GTA V
Get R3KT cos he is
He is, Christ man must be one of them cameo actors now😂😂
What he is
Its not him
in 20:42 john looks like arthur just look at his face
Who else decided To Drive the wagon off the mountain?
Arthur was right .. YAP YAP YAP WINE WINE WINE That's what Abigail sounds like 😂
4:19 I thought they where about to do it
Do what? Pull John off the bed?
@@wetube6513 let's see ummm 🤠🍆🍑👱🏻♀️
@@thenicestpersonintheuniver3723 They were going to farm eggplants and peaches?
"look out for folk"
yeah SURE abigail
yeah they argue but they love each other
Who else cried a lil at 4:03
❤ Love them
Some years later??? More like almost a decade later.
Like 5-6 years
@@jakewulgar 8 years
11:19 arthur morgan
Considering Authur died because he got TB from beating people I understand why Abigail so angry.She never have a father figure in her life but she wanted Jack to have one,if John died he can turn into an outlaw just like them this can be proven by the fact that in rdr Jack become an outlaw too after his parents’ death
Abigail didn’t even know that, get out of here he was defending himself
I know that Abigail hate what John is doing but that's his job he's there to protect the farm she needs to calm down I know she hates what he's doing but like I said it's his job and she needs to calm down
His job was to be a ranch hand not a security guard, that’s why Abigail was annoyed
But he had no choice then because Geddes farm guards were beaten up by Laramie boys.
@@johnLennon255 Ranch hands are meant to defend the ranch they work on if the situation arises.
Had abigail not left john and guilt trip him into buying that house maybe they wouldve lived the rest of their lives in peace
What always bugged me is that John never thought to say he was a former soldier, there's no hiding those combat skills so why not come up with a reason for them?
Funny, if he had listened to Abigail at the end, then the PDA wouldn't have found him.
3:50 me quebrou
5:00 Why didn’t John just him John Milton like when authur said his was authur Callahan so Abigail can still call him John
Yeah yeah whatever man
@@Abdo-dj2ym lol you're a kid. no one likes kidz loll you're a kid kid ha dumbbell dumb kid leol
@@Kyomu1212 lol lzzzz 1-0 cry mom lIllIlIIlXlIlI dumbbell set with the bugged me know if I can get the vaccine or not 🚭 or something like it is a Christmas ⛄ or something else Alright I'll just be
@@Kyomu1212 bruh me? no no no, bruh you.
@@Kyomu1212 zzzzz lol 10_ I have to speak in your native language: agent moron
Abigail is the only one with any common sense.
Old Uncle half the time, she’s being a stuck up bitch who can’t accept that sometimes, things get violent.
Yeah and Hosea. But I guess nobody gives a damn about him anymore. 😭😭😭. Everybody forgot about him by Chapter 6, not even Dutch, his basically Brother spoke about him.
First off She is not the only one sometimes she does stupid shit too
Old Uncle she’s a mother trying her best to give her son a peaceful and good life, sometimes yeah she’s out of line but id do the same in that situation
Abigail is just doing the mom thing. But she needs to understand that the way of the world ain't gentle. Specially not in this time period. Men gotta be men and do what's right. Even if things get violent. Sometimes you gotta do what's wrong to do what's right.
Can't tell me John isn't Arthur's biological brother they look just alike it's crazy 20:42 just look at his face that's ARTHUR all over again bro
This may have been done intentionally. Remember Arthur wrote in his journal that maybe he should have been the one to marry Abigail. Dutch says in RDR 1 “We all had her, but he (John) married her.”
Abigail then gives Jack his code name “Lancelot”, a character from… King Arthur.
Rockstar changed John’s face shape in the epilogue to more resemble Arthur. Aside from technical reasons, it could have been done to create more ambiguity as to who Jack’s father really is.
Abigail eventually did have a daughter with John as the father, but she died young as mentioned in RDR 1.
You are tweaking
3:50 john marston like john seed from FarCry 5 😅
1:40 1:43 1:47 1:50 3:30 3:31
15:25
*W H A T ?*
Actually hurts said legal work killed him. At least he was also wrong on Jack not doing much with his stories. Brodie got his family revenge and became a renowned old author
Abigail needs to know that owning a ranch can also be a war.
Edit: Or maybe I've been watching too much Yellowstone.
What the hell srsly LANCELOT are we fucking kidding
I feel like Abigail is the type of woman that made the sucky rules of the school system. "Don't defend yourself. Don't intervene against bullies. Don't stand up to people. Tell A teacher or an adult so we can do jack didly shit about it." Honestly. Most of what John did in these situations was a good thing. Saved his wagon and the supplies for the farm. That cemented his chance at getting job as a hand. Defended Abe from the Laramie. What was the guy supposed to do? Let Abe get shot? All but got rid of the Laramies and saved the ranch. He made the ranch safer and secured the livelyhoods of not only himself. But most anyone on the farm. Sure. He killed bad men to do it. But. I hardly think bad men deserve to live. This idea that men shouldn't do the manly thing and do what's right. Even if it involves getting your hands dirty. Is plain asinine. Men are supposed to be men. Not pansys who shy away from the slightest confrontion.
Exactly! Good point
@@pinkiepiecupcake7779 the entire gang were "bad men". Every last one of them did crimes. Robbed people. Killed people who were just doing their jobs. This includes John.
@@pinkiepiecupcake7779 Red Dead *Redemption*
@@waluigi3515 I know what it means I ain't stupid
Worst bit was in the epilogue part 2 where she has a go at him for bounty hunting - which is legal work and suits his skill set more than ranching does - but he shut her up telling her it paid for the ranch
Jack looks a lot more like Arthur than John especially the hair color
Red dead redemption 2: failing marriage edition
I wonder if Laramie is Trevors great grandpa 😮🤔
John: “what choice did i have? I ain’t no other choice”
Me: john is telling the truth
Abigail Marston > All the other Waifus
John: *sees people attacking the ranchers and the ranch* "OH NO MYJOB" *defends it*
Abigail: "STUPID!!!"
Jack was a wimp and Abigail was a nag...I see why he left them for a year..
Yes, at the expense of his relationship with the former gang, especially Arthur.
Jack grows up and avenges his father. He grew up to be a strong man.
Lmao
Nah, I didn’t like how John treated Jack. He criticized Jack becoming an author and criticized him for reading books. Not to mention Jack avenged his father in the end. As for Abigail, yeah she’s a nag
be polite
If you think about it it makes sense why she nags Arthur even if it does seem shitty...The more he does kill or fight he gets more and more close to being recognized by the law for his old past...I mean thats literally what happens between RDR2 and 1 he gets recognized because he killed Micah which she told him not to and he had to do all that shit...I like Abigail a lot and John to but I understand the shit they get from the community but their story is underrated
Abigail in RDR1 in 1911 “you know I can’t read John” when she’s a letter from Bonnie…Abigail in 1907 in RDR2 epilogue “My reading is becoming very good” 😂💀
I did not understand the joke when he said he missed mr Pearson
He means that her cooking is terrible and so he misses the old cook (Mr Pearson)
If in the future there will ever be a new Rdr game… maybe it will be about Jack
Or Dutch’s past or like during and after the 1850s /1860s coz getting in the 1900s mmmh, not so much western anymore.
Maybe with new characters, maybe other stories or past and futures of other characters….. or Uncle’s past… so we know
More about LUMBAGO!!!!
Even the cook Pearson I think.
Well i loves both games so who knows.
John and Abigail is literally version of Micheal and Amanda DeSanta
Cleaning at the doctor s office ....mmmm
Thats some cute mements right there
14:24 oh no the only thing I didn’t want to see… colt single action army with the modern realoading style ? … rly?
I like abigail but the one thing i didnt want to hear after Arthurs death was her whining.
Awww man John should've listened to Abigail about Micah.
john marston vs trevor phillips
Wish they remake RDR1
🔥🔥🔥
People are getting mad at Abigail but as she stated early on she hated running and John killing people made things harder she didn’t want him to slip back into the outlaw life. Once he bought Beecher’s hope she realized he changed for the better
But what the hell was john supposed 2 do in the situations. He couldnt just stand and do nothing while the supplys got robbed or dikens nearly gets killed
We shou should have just gone to tahiti
John is just sooo handsome with short hair ❤
Ya he looks better when I became him in the game I cleaned him up kept his hair short.
When I played the epilogue, I was looking forward to see how the Marstons would do, how they'd manage to get Beecher's Hope, and if their dynamics changed. But... Jack doesn't open up, he still traps himself in books, and doesn't want to speak to either his mom or dad. Abigail yearns for a better life, which they get, but gets angry over things John can't control, like those guys coming to Pronhorne Ranch for money, or the ones John had to kill in front of Jack. She doesn't support him as much as he supports her.
John really did his best to be a better man, to live up to Arthur's wish to not look back, and he tries to reach out for his family. But, yeah, they don't do the same efforts.
3 : 47 It's those cute moments that kept me wishing they'd be back.
I really didn’t care for Abigail in the epilogue. John had no choice at times.
If you haven’t already learnt from real world experience, bitches indeed be tripping. Nag you for shit that either isn’t your fault or just getting pissy over everything.
Abigail I know I know you don't want John to go but Micah needs to be killed he's not a good person he ratted out on the gang. And I believe he also made Dutch turn on Arthur even though some of that had to do with Hosea's death the trolley car accident and quite a bit of Arthur doubting him. Even though all that was happening with Dutch killing people for no reason I believe Arthur and would still not betrayed Dutch.
ZACH DAVE
1:28 and 8:00
Am i the only one who did the wagon mission with Jack as the last mission before Abigail leaves John? XD
Seems more fitting in my opinion
Ngl my struggle during the whole epilougue of rdr2 was abigal never aceapting john and his past always worried or complaining about it even at the end she always reminds John of his wrong doings and yes he does die from his life as and outlaw but he dies protecting his family
This may be off track but I don't think John looks good with his beard shaved completely off.
Abigail Haters⬇️
I dont understand why do people hate her? She is right though. She only wants a normal happy family. She cares about John and Jack. It's not nagging, its called concern