I have a SawStop Contractor saw and I love it. I had a fellow woodworking friend of mine who recently lost two fingers on his tablesaw, one of which was reattached (kind of). Through the course of the accident happening and today, he's had 7 surgeries on the reattached finger and maxed out his health insurance paying thousands of dollars out of his own pocket to finish the tedious process of regaining use of his finger. Shortly after his accident I told him about my SawStop and the blade retraction safety feature it incorporates. Long story short.. he now has a SawStop. The greatest statement you made, Jay, was that you do not plan on having an accident. Nobody does. You can however prepare yourself on the prevention factor. People that are not willing to pay the add'l cost of this safety feature will pay 4x or 5x more in the event they have an accident. I love my fingers too much to jeopardize losing them. That's exactly why I purchased my SawStop.
Great video Jay! I had a Grizzly 1023 saw and for the money, a great saw. It was an upgrade from my first saw, a Grizzly 1 1/2 hp contractor saw which did everything I needed. I purchased the same Sawstop, but with the 36 Fence. The safety aspect is what sold me even though it cost an extra two thousand. Having a close call with my table saw and the thought of missing digits and surgeries if you’re lucky, made my decision easy. Good luck with your channel and I enjoy watching your videos.
Wow had no clue you didn't buy the saw. When you got it I thought you would have mentioned something about it, but there was really nothing about it in your videos. Not even building new sleds for it. Good on SawStop for not requiring you to mention it in every video like some other companies. Great tool talk! Thanks Jay!
Thank you, Jay, I have been going back and forth on the table size. Your honest assessment of the larger table being a junk catcher has helped me finalize my decision. So glad I stumbled onto your review from a few years ago. Have a good day.
I saw your picnic table video and cough the woodworking bug. I love building things for friends, family and have sold some as well. I am a self taught CDL driver but that doesn't come close to the satisfaction I got when I sold my fist piece. I have learned some much from you and many others. I'm glad you get free tools because you have been at it for a long time. Keep up the good work and thanks for everything.
After going through what was the best planned and documented assembly instructions I have ever seen I was pleasantly surprised that my PCS needed no adjustment. After a house or a car my PCS is the most expensive thing I have ever purchase but I consider it to be the best value I have every got. I put an outfeed table on it and that is all it needed, and a 220 outlet of course.
Jay, you provide excellent content value to the woodworking community. Glad to see SawStop recognizes this as well, and glad to see them give you a super Table Saw.
Thank you for another great video Jay. I most appreciate your candor and transparency when you talk about products. It is great that they sent you a nice new saw and great for us that you are honest about your opinions and not "swayed" to say things that are not necessarily true. Thanks again!!
I love my sawstop but like you said there are so many options to choose from - I often tell people to figure out their budget and needs and you'll find a saw that works for you - good recap Jay
oh my God I had a Delta 3hp for like Around 7 years but I always had issues with the electrical, and it was a really big problem to find parts. but yesterday I just bought a brand new industrial 5hp single phase sawstop, and ooh my God. it works perfect, I love it, I used it all day today, what a grate experience, so happy that it didn't stop working like the delta I had yesterday for seven years . my employees will be so happy working with it.
I saw this when it first came out but I just watched it again as I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a 3HP PCS. Lots of great notes about the different features, thanks, Jay.
I recently purchased a saw stop cabinet saw - about six months ago. I had a host of other table saws in my career. From a couple of Craftsmen saws to a Delta Contractor saw and a Delta Unisaw. None of them were anywhere as easy to assemble and many needed upgrades (Besimar fences), etc. The Saw Stop was beyond easy to set up and required no, repeat NO adjustments to perform flawlessly. Big expense? You betcha friend. However I've recently reached the age of 70. I know I'm not saying I'm old but ... I've never had an accident in over 40 years of woodworking. My fingers are worth to much to take a chance. I love this saw.
I am seriously loving these tool talk videos. Along with the domino, this is one of my dream purchases when I retire from the mil and find a place to settle down. I've had the "unplanned accident" via a kickback to the gut with a piece of 1/4 ply and its changed my whole nature about table saws. I've always been what I thought was cautious but now it just makes using my table saw a nerve wracking experience.
For what I do, there is no way in hell to justify needing a $3,500 tablesaw. However, my fingers are worth more to me than a few extra dollars in my bank account. That is why I bought a SawStop. It didn't hurt that my wife saw the Jimmy DiResta video talking about nearly cutting his finger off. That sealed the deal for me.
Likewise.. For what I do, DYI, birdhouses, etc. there's no justifying my Pro SS either and my wife insisted as well. I'm very grateful to have it, it's my dream saw and there may be bigger, faster and different, but not better!
really glad to see they hooked you up! it's a hell of a tool and I regret not buying it when I got my PM saw. Glad to see they value your channel as well
Thanks for the review Jay, I'm in the process of getting the Sawstop 1.75 hp Cabinet saw. They are pricey but like your comment here, amputation would be a lot more costly.
I have the SawStop cabinet saw (like yours) and agonized over the price and was it really worth the added cost. My main issues were, that, 1) "I'll never have an accident because I'm safe" and 2) is it really a good piece of equipment not counting the safety system. Well, thinking about my dad's left thumb that doesn't work due to a tablesaw accident and knowing of some other people with missing digits I was almost convinced I should spend the extra dough. Lots of online research and in person checks led me to the decision that it is a great piece of equipment --- and I have NOT been let down at all. You were spot on in your assessment, and I too was quite impressed at how easy it was to set up and now how well it works! So in a nutshell, yes, I'm glad I spent the extra cash on this saw.
Great review Jay.... I bought a SawStop contractor saw after a messy incident with my old contractor saw. I did not use the base, built it into a cabinet instead and replaced the indented wings with laminate, but you can get cast steel wings instead. I also recommend the upgraded fence system, also available in 52" if required. It also has a dust shroud inside and at 1.75hp it work perfect for anything I need to cut in my small shop. Just a recommendation to folks that you can spend a lot less $$ and get the SawStop contractor saw and it would still be an upgrade on most cabinet saws on the market...and the safety features are a massive bonus... p.s I don't work for Sawstop.
Another great video Jay. It answered some of my questions. I was wondering how difficult it would be to cross cut a full length sheet of plywood with the added fence length. I think that 220 is the way to go if possible. I like these videos because you are so honest and like you say you have nothing to gain or lose from us buying or not buying the products. Those are the best reviews. I completely understand the budget thing, that is why I bought the Ridgid table saw that I have. Thanks for another great video. Look forward to next weeks!!!!
This is where a track saw shines. I'll never break down sheet goods with a table saw. Hard on the back and pretty shady as far as safety goes. So easy to grab the ridged insulation board, drop the sheet good on it and cut away with the track saw.
Ignoring the anti-SawStop fanatics online, every review I've seen says the same thing. They don't just rely on the safety feature to sell this saw, but they've built a high quality saw around it and while it's expensive, it's worth it. I've met a lot of guys with missing digits over the years and all but one have been experienced carpenters. Shit happens....
Well, then buy an equally expensive Martin, Altendorf or Panhans and then come back and look at the SawStop quality. Then your dreams will get shattered.
@@bowlchamps37 find me any of those sliding table saws that you listed that aren’t either 3x the price, 30 or 40 years old and on their last legs having spent their life in a cabinet shop, and/or 3 phase. And look like an aircraft carrier with 8 foot carriages.
Nicely done I recently did cut my thumb in the table saw first time in 25 years. I was thinking about Saw Stop before i even got to the hospital. Your video answered several questions for me. thanks
Thanks Jay.... Great saw indeed! Was particularly impressed by the lifting mechanism. It appeared to be a four-point hydraulic system. First class and more than I would expect in a home shop machine. Congrats man!
Love your honesty in this video Jay. You do seem very happy with this saw regardless of it being a sponsorship. I used a SawStop through college, I really had no idea how fortunate I was until I used others. In a bigger future shop, it will be the centerpiece
Marketing, my mistake and should have realized that from your clear description in the video. Great saw. and wonderful reviews. I look forward to the next one.
Great review of the SS cabinet saw Jay. I've had my SS Contractor's saw for about two years now and I've really learned to love it. I did, however, have to do a lot of "tuning" to mine after I rec'd it. I needed to align the trunion because the blade was not parallel w/ the miter slots and I also had a very large "hump" in the fence which I had to sand out to make it flat. Overall it's a very nice saw and customer service cannot be beat from the SS support center.
I have the "Contractor" style SawStop. The quality and attention to detail is flawless. Everything was perfectly aligned. I'm a weekend hobbyist, and need to keep my fingers in tact for my day job. SawStop was the best money invested in the shop to date.
Awesome, sir! Enjoyed the comparison/review. Happy for you that they provided that for you! Would definitely say you've earned it compared to the work you've put into your channel for everyone. When I get a bigger shop with more power I'll definitely be looking at one of these!
Another great Tool Talk segment (hope thats the right word to use, lol). Since Im working out of a spare room in a rented trailer, I am limited not only in space but power as well. I am working off of a 20amp fuse (not breaker.... FUSE... yeah, its an old trailer..) A month ago, I purchased the DELTA 13-Amp 10-in Table Saw 36-725 . Thats the Max I can use here. The saw has been working perfectly for me so far. Yeah I know. Its only been a month. But after I have used it for a while (6 months or so) Im gonna do a review on it. But so far, I love it... Its my Big Upgrade from my old Rockwell 10" contractors Table Saw.
I'm a hobbyist. I work 50+ hours a week at a job that doesn't involve woodworking. I am still saving up for one of these saws. The table saw I have now is an old Craftsman saw that has a ton of issues. However the main reason I want a SawStop is safety. Table saws are dangerous, and this is the safest they can get. It helps that by all accounts it is also a fantastic table saw.
I have the same SawStop and I love it. Absolutely hands down the best saw I've owned and I do plan to keep all my digits. Even a close friend will not pick your nose for you.
Great review. Always enjoy your content. I wish I had bought one years ago just because of the quality of the saw. Safety feature is icing on the cake. If I ever buy another table saw I plan on a Sawstop.
Great info, I just got my pcs with 3hp and the 36” fence rails. Well built saw and the extra horsepower is nice. Unfortunately sawstop said I was too small time to work with.
Dude Good for you! Im enjoying the tool talks a lot! At some point when I get proper power to my shop I def looking at a good cabinet saw! Great content! keep it up!
I was looking at a SawStop when I got my Grizzly G0651, only reason I went with the Grizzly was there are some special blades that will not work on the SawStop. The SawStop is a great saw but there are some limitations and the Grizzly uses a Serpentine Belt System, there is no vibration.
Jay, great video, and an awesome, accurate eval of the SawStop cabinet saw. Most of the high school wood shop classes in my (Phoenix) area, have SawStop saws, and the store I work at sells them. I don't personally have one, my "shop" is way too tiny, but after assembling quite a few, and talking with owners, your eval is spot on. There is a different dust collection system, that mounts on the right end of the table, not the back side. If you do not have a router table on your extension table, I'd suggest looking at it. (I don't know if it works with the 52 inch fence, but it does with the 36 incher.) steve
Finally, somebody with a no nonsense table saw review. Jay! thank you. I hope to build new shop in the new year and will likely have one of these in it.
I think you basically said what every woodworker that doesn't have a SawStop cabinet saw would say. Of course they're superior saws, but they come at a premium. I settled on a Jet 10" cabinet saw, but if I could do it all over again, I'd have held off on my air cleaner and dust collector and went for the sawstop. As always, great review. I didn't really feel any bias one way or the other. Just an honest accounting of your experiences.
Outstanding review of the SawStop PCS, Jay. As a relative novice at finish DIYing and being on a fixed income, I continue to use my old Crafstman 10" table saw whilst wearing my SawStop cap and dreaming. LOL. It will probably continue to be my "bucket list" saw, however. I always enjoy your videos and yesterday signed up for your new collaboration with Nick and April, two of my other favorites, and am looking forward to many trips with the pod casts as company. Keep up the good work, Jay.
Jay, thanks for this. I was trying to convince myself to spend the money when a Sawstop showed up on Craigslist, especially since I just bought my Delta 1.75 HP back in Sept. This video helped, plus it was deal that was too good to pass up. Turns out it is 52' industrial 5HP with all the factory stuff (manual, inserts, miter gauge, etc), plus the mobile base, a zero clearance insert plate, a dado insert plate, an extra break cartridge, a dado break cartridge and a Freud Dial-A-Width Dado still with the factory seal on the box. Got it all for $2000!!!!
Eagerly anticipated this. I'm in the process of spec'ing out a shed 14x24 or 28 for my new shop. I will either build it or have one placed. My shop is great but tiny in my basement and Festool has helped me out with space saving techniques. My little Dewalt contractor saw is really nice but.....my shop will have a cabinet saw and a SawStop is what my wife wants me to purchase. It's amazing to me how many people hate SS and @Jeff Ferguson said it best. Thanks for the video and Merry Christmas all.
+Stone and Sons Workshop i dont think i have much of a need for the safety feature as im always careful (hopefully didnt just jinx myself!) but having your kids in the shop would be an excellent reason to have one!
I have the Sawstop ICS and it's 5 hp and I wish that I had the 7.5 hp. I regularly cut hundreds of linear feet of 8/4 hardwood and the speed in which it can do that is highly dependent on the power of the saw. I also opted for the sliding table and it works pretty good for breaking down plywood but I don't do this very often. I have had 2 false trips so far on our saw over a 3 year time period. One trip may have been from wet glue. Overall very pleased with the saw.
This is a great video and really answered what was on my mind. I rip a lot of 3 foot strips of 6/4 x 6/4 Maple. Do you think the 3hp is enough for that on a daily basis? Thanks again for making this video.
Jay,I have the exact SS with the 52" extension as well. I agree that as it turns out it is a clutter catcher and I might have been smarter to go with the standard width. I have had it more than a year and recall that assembly was extremely easy compared to my previous saw which was a Craftsman. My wife was sold when I showed her the hot dog video so the cost was not such a big deal. I thought you might mention the Miter Gauge...it seems a bit cheesy to me compared to the other accessories but I normally use my sled anyway. Thanks for the great videos and inspiration.
Good for you for being honest and telling your sub's about how you got the saw.Honesty is something that is quickly disappearing in today's world. Thumb's up.
+Jay Bates 2 - Do you use different blades for ripping and crosscuting, what teeth count are your blades ? great video again mate! Keep this series going. Your reviews are so much more informative.
My experience with the Stop-saw is from a contractor's view. One of my customers had an employee get nicked by a a great Delta saw worth big bucks. Even in a minor accident like this, with the loss of labor time, emergency room visit, paperwork, worker's comp claim, he felt that the cost of having a saw with this safety feature was now a cost saver. The delta was moved and set up for a single purpose task and a Stop-saw took its place. The contractor felt if the new saw could prevent all the costs from major and minor accidents it would save him and his company more than the additional costs. A year later he added a second one and has been very happy with the quality. That being said, as a hobby woodworker on a budget, I'll focus on maintaining whatever saw I have. Good maintenance and familiarity with the tool can be just as important as an expensive safety feature.
I've put 8/4 hardwoods through my 1.5hp Powermatic and it doesn't bog. I use Freud Diablo circular saw blades though. Very thin kerf, which helps the process.
I bought this saw when they first came out. I think mine was around 4K but since I had a kid I wanted to make sure that would be one less tool to worry about him with. Mine has a screw in plate which isn't terrible but it does look like they have made an improvement there. I noticed that some commented about the brake firing if the wood was wet. I am not sure about the version you have but mine has a key that I can use to override the safety feature. I think I used it once for something that was questionable.
Great review. I'm hopeful that I can acquire a saw on this level in the future. I hadn't really considered a Sawstop previously, but I will now. Also, congrats on building your channel/brand to the point that SawStop provided a saw. That's good work.
Your videos are straightforward and to the point. I like that. I copied the following comments from a sawstop review video. I’d like someone who owns one of the saws to consider doing a more realistic demo that replicates a real tablesaw accident. Read on... I’m still not sold on this (sawstop technology). Accidents on tablesaws rarely happen by pushing your finger into the blade: they occur via kickback. In these demonstrations, they are pushing a wiener (a different CZcams video)at about 1mph into the blade. The outside of the blade rotates at 100mph+. Kickback occurs when the workpiece leaves the fence and gets pulled over the blade. Your entire hand, which is exerting downward pressure on the workpiece as you feed it through, gets raked over the spinning blade at incredible speed. Your hand is probably moving 30 to 50mph when it hits the blade. All these sawstop demonstrations do not replicate a real tablesaw accident. Someone needs to pull the splitter on a sawstop, position a wiener or piece of steak on a board, get the saw to kickback and see what happens. There are safe ways to demonstrate a real kickback. I’d really like to see this as a service to the woodworking community. Shame on Sawstop for not demonstrating a real tablesaw accident instead of a kind of accident that rarely occurs
Great review Jay! Its good to hear someone giving a straight forward opinion about tools without brand bashing. I am saving my pennies for the Grizzly G1023... which is now on hold because of the untimely death of my thickness planer. Keep up to good work and I look forward to your next tool talk!
+Jay Bates 2 Yeah, I think a bandsaw that is able to resaw really gives you more options with your lumber. I have the Grizzly 14" bandsaw but haven't added the riser block so I only have 6" of resaw capability... of course I only have a 6" jointer so I guess its not really an issues... YET!
I love my SawStop. I had a Delta contractor saw before I got this one. Nothing was wrong with the one I had, but I wanted one that had the safety feature built in. I have a son now and hopefully he will want to learn and it will allow me to not worry as much! I have the 36" set up and have been wondering if I should had got the bigger one...I believe you answered that question now! I also have the standard mobile base. It is so easy to move this saw around! Now I have to go try to unload my new planer... :)
You didn't mention the arbor. What I'm curious about is its size (shaft and flange) and runout. Would be great to know, if you can meassure/reach it. Overall a very good and objective review.
Very nice review and it's nice to see someone frankly admit the 'safety feature' is important. To me it is a no-brainer because the consequences of an injury vastly outweigh the extra expense. I know SS has rubbed many the wrong way with its advocacy of what is of course self-serving legislation. I do appreciate your honest disclosure of your business relationship with SS but as an owner of a PCS I feel you gave a very fair review.
Great review have had mine for a year now, awesome saw. All things aside I looked at three saws all higher end in quality and performance, if you do your homework Sawstop isn't that much more expensive worth the extra for the piece of mind. Fit and finish is incredible on this saw!
always wondered why you switched to the saw stop. had a feeling it might have been given to you by saw stop since it seemed you had just gotten the grizzly recently. pretty cool they did that without much asked for in return.
Hi Jay another great video I just watched your Domino Video and now you've done a video on the other new high end toy I treated myself to. All I can say is your so right accidents do happen and that's why they're called accidents, I like having ten fingers ( well 8 fingers and 2 thumbs to be honest lol ), keep up the great work.
Great review Jay. I too have this same setup (36"). I can't agree with your statements more. I love my saw and would definitely buy it again if needed. I really enjoy your tool talks, very informative.
Hopefully I can afford one some day. I think the extra cost is worth the peace of mind, if you can afford it. An extra $1000 for a better quality saw, AND only needing stitches vs. losing fingers or a hand, and possibly bleeding to death in the case of an accident. Seems worth it to me. Good review. Thanks as always for taking your time to provide such informative and entertaining videos.
Nice review. Sawstop was my first table saw, although I had used other's before. I wanted a quality cabinet saw, and the cost was comparable with similar type saws - plus the safety feature. I would also purchase it again if needed. I have had no accidents, but did set off the cartridge once with some conductive material. It worked perfectly and I had to replace the blade and cartridge - but it was my fault and I am even more confident in the safety feature working if ever needed.
+Just Make It Yes - quite a shock. It happened so fast, it was like...Pop!...what the ???...Oh, crap - graphite is conductive...duh. (language cleaned up a bit)
We have a saw stop 3 hp in our shop. I like it for most operations it is as good as the old Delta and it is much safer. The safety brake on the blade is definitely a plus for safety. Now I come to disagreement. The dust cleaning system is not a plus. It clogs badly and the inside dust hose is a constant problem choking down. We did not have many cleaning problems with the 5 h.p. Delta. I would say the safety feature on the blade which eliminates loosing a hand or finger is absolutely worth the dust cleaning problems. I teach carpentry and have students learning how that never used a table saw. We have had to replace brakes which cost about $70.00 each time we have one lock down. However, we have not had any hands or fingers to replace.
The Sawtop saw I think is great with all it's safety features however I feel that any saw with the same horse power motor can do the job as well. I went from a Craftsman table saw to a General International table saw & I love this thing. Granted I don't use it enough because of just everyday life but I wouldn't trade it for nothing. I know you hate giving your opinion on tools but I'm in the market for a jointer but I don't have lot of money to spend. What do you think about the Porter Cable 6in jointer as a starter???? Love the material you put out. Keep up the good work.
Hey congrats and have fun! For those of us still playing in job site saw land any cabinet saw would be great. I'd definitely go for sawstop though if that was an option.
I don't know how many patents will expire in 2021. That is 2 to 3 years from now depending on what time of the year they start expiring. From now to then how many fingers, hands, hospital trips, and operations will he SawStop prevent. Mine is a great saw.
I think the best piece of advise (when it comes to purchasing expensive tools) is to ALWAYS purchase the best tools you can afford. Even if you need to save your milk money for a little while - and just keep in mind that as soon as you buy the latest and greatest - the next best thing is sure to hit the market...
I will be picking up my SawStop this weekend. For me, it isn't just about the saw stopping feature, but all the little attention to details that SawStop has put into their design. The blade brake, while nice, is not intended to replace common sense and general intelligence when it comes to woodworking. You still have to be otherwise qualified to work with tools, and especially power tools, to use this device. That being said, I would much rather pay for a few stiches than to have a finger reattached, or worse, have to learn how to do everything with fewer fingers. Great video, and keep up the great work.
Great review Jay. Really enjoying the Tool Talks. I have the Grizzly G6090 (per your last table saw upgrade - (insert eye rolling here - hard to keep up with the Bates ;) ). I can totally see you upgrading (I'd do the same if the situation arose). Tool sponsors are sweet - aren't they... :) I just wish some of these tools weren't so darn expensive (i.e. Festool & SawStop) for the non-professional/tool-fund strapped woodworker. But that's not your doing & don't stop what you are doing. It's much appreciated.
One thing you only alluded to is that the Grizzly is nearly HALF the price. The safety of the Sawstop is worth the money, alone, but as you did say, budget concerned prevent most hobbyists from owning a Sawstop. Even their contractor saw is about the price of the Grizzly and it has stamped steel wings.
Yeah that seems like something worth mentioning. A similarly equipped Grizzly would be the G1023RLX with the universal overarm dust collector, shop fox mobile base, and extension. His build of the SawStop comes in at $3526 according to the SawStop website and the Grizzly build I just laid out comes in at $2084. You are really comparing apples and oranges at that kind price difference. Of course the little features are a bit nicer. A Mercedes has nicer features than my Civic and I would expect it to. I get the SawStop is a wonderful machine but it should really be compared to something like a Powermatic or at least the Jet Deluxe Xacta range.
Love those saws! Any chance we can see a tool talk on the Grizzly band saw? I have been seriously considering purchasing the exact same saw after quite alot of research and hearing the great things you have said about it in past videos. I would really like to hear what it is you like and dislike about it. Thanks for the vids Jay, can't get enough!
I have a SawStop Contractor saw and I love it. I had a fellow woodworking friend of mine who recently lost two fingers on his tablesaw, one of which was reattached (kind of). Through the course of the accident happening and today, he's had 7 surgeries on the reattached finger and maxed out his health insurance paying thousands of dollars out of his own pocket to finish the tedious process of regaining use of his finger. Shortly after his accident I told him about my SawStop and the blade retraction safety feature it incorporates. Long story short.. he now has a SawStop. The greatest statement you made, Jay, was that you do not plan on having an accident. Nobody does. You can however prepare yourself on the prevention factor. People that are not willing to pay the add'l cost of this safety feature will pay 4x or 5x more in the event they have an accident. I love my fingers too much to jeopardize losing them. That's exactly why I purchased my SawStop.
Great video Jay! I had a Grizzly 1023 saw and for the money, a great saw. It was an upgrade from my first saw, a Grizzly 1 1/2 hp contractor saw which did everything I needed. I purchased the same Sawstop, but with the 36 Fence. The safety aspect is what sold me even though it cost an extra two thousand. Having a close call with my table saw and the thought of missing digits and surgeries if you’re lucky, made my decision easy. Good luck with your channel and I enjoy watching your videos.
Wow had no clue you didn't buy the saw. When you got it I thought you would have mentioned something about it, but there was really nothing about it in your videos. Not even building new sleds for it. Good on SawStop for not requiring you to mention it in every video like some other companies. Great tool talk! Thanks Jay!
Thank you, Jay, I have been going back and forth on the table size. Your honest assessment of the larger table being a junk catcher has helped me finalize my decision. So glad I stumbled onto your review from a few years ago. Have a good day.
Great review Jay, I love the honesty about them giving you the saw. I love the comments about fence/rip width and practical use.
I saw your picnic table video and cough the woodworking bug. I love building things for friends, family and have sold some as well. I am a self taught CDL driver but that doesn't come close to the satisfaction I got when I sold my fist piece. I have learned some much from you and many others. I'm glad you get free tools because you have been at it for a long time. Keep up the good work and thanks for everything.
The tool deals alone make me wish I had started making videos when I first started woodworking.
After going through what was the best planned and documented assembly instructions I have ever seen I was pleasantly surprised that my PCS needed no adjustment. After a house or a car my PCS is the most expensive thing I have ever purchase but I consider it to be the best value I have every got. I put an outfeed table on it and that is all it needed, and a 220 outlet of course.
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Jay, you provide excellent content value to the woodworking community. Glad to see SawStop recognizes this as well, and glad to see them give you a super Table Saw.
Thank you for another great video Jay. I most appreciate your candor and transparency when you talk about products. It is great that they sent you a nice new saw and great for us that you are honest about your opinions and not "swayed" to say things that are not necessarily true. Thanks again!!
I love my sawstop but like you said there are so many options to choose from - I often tell people to figure out their budget and needs and you'll find a saw that works for you - good recap Jay
well they all cost a LOT of MONEY for a decent tablesaw over 2k easy. Might as well get the best safety features one for same price.
oh my God I had a Delta 3hp for like Around 7 years but I always had issues with the electrical, and it was a really big problem to find parts. but yesterday I just bought a brand new industrial 5hp single phase sawstop, and ooh my God. it works perfect, I love it, I used it all day today, what a grate experience, so happy that it didn't stop working like the delta I had yesterday for seven years . my employees will be so happy working with it.
I saw this when it first came out but I just watched it again as I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a 3HP PCS. Lots of great notes about the different features, thanks, Jay.
Another great Tool Talk review, Jay. You answered a couple of questions that many other tool reviews fail to address. Thanks for the video.
I recently purchased a saw stop cabinet saw - about six months ago. I had a host of other table saws in my career. From a couple of Craftsmen saws to a Delta Contractor saw and a Delta Unisaw. None of them were anywhere as easy to assemble and many needed upgrades (Besimar fences), etc. The Saw Stop was beyond easy to set up and required no, repeat NO adjustments to perform flawlessly. Big expense? You betcha friend. However I've recently reached the age of 70. I know I'm not saying I'm old but ... I've never had an accident in over 40 years of woodworking. My fingers are worth to much to take a chance. I love this saw.
I am seriously loving these tool talk videos. Along with the domino, this is one of my dream purchases when I retire from the mil and find a place to settle down.
I've had the "unplanned accident" via a kickback to the gut with a piece of 1/4 ply and its changed my whole nature about table saws. I've always been what I thought was cautious but now it just makes using my table saw a nerve wracking experience.
For what I do, there is no way in hell to justify needing a $3,500 tablesaw. However, my fingers are worth more to me than a few extra dollars in my bank account. That is why I bought a SawStop. It didn't hurt that my wife saw the Jimmy DiResta video talking about nearly cutting his finger off. That sealed the deal for me.
Thats how I'm going to buy mine. Have one in my shopping cart and then pull up his video and let my wife "accidentally" overhear it.
Likewise.. For what I do, DYI, birdhouses, etc. there's no justifying my Pro SS either and my wife insisted as well. I'm very grateful to have it, it's my dream saw and there may be bigger, faster and different, but not better!
Isn´t it ironic how you spend the money while a simple blade cover replaces the SawStop safety feature. You are hilarious, Bean.
I bought the sawstop 1.75 and it works amazing. nice video
really glad to see they hooked you up! it's a hell of a tool and I regret not buying it when I got my PM saw. Glad to see they value your channel as well
Great review Jay. I've had an opportunity to look really close at those saws and how they are manufactured. You just can't beat the quality!
Thanks for the review Jay, I'm in the process of getting the Sawstop 1.75 hp Cabinet saw. They are pricey but like your comment here, amputation would be a lot more costly.
I have the SawStop cabinet saw (like yours) and agonized over the price and was it really worth the added cost. My main issues were, that, 1) "I'll never have an accident because I'm safe" and 2) is it really a good piece of equipment not counting the safety system. Well, thinking about my dad's left thumb that doesn't work due to a tablesaw accident and knowing of some other people with missing digits I was almost convinced I should spend the extra dough. Lots of online research and in person checks led me to the decision that it is a great piece of equipment --- and I have NOT been let down at all.
You were spot on in your assessment, and I too was quite impressed at how easy it was to set up and now how well it works! So in a nutshell, yes, I'm glad I spent the extra cash on this saw.
Really enjoying the Tool Talk segments! Keep up the great work and thanks!
I recently had the chance to use one while at a friends shop, the level of quality built into this saw is amazing. Thanks for your input on it Jay
Great review Jay.... I bought a SawStop contractor saw after a messy incident with my old contractor saw. I did not use the base, built it into a cabinet instead and replaced the indented wings with laminate, but you can get cast steel wings instead. I also recommend the upgraded fence system, also available in 52" if required. It also has a dust shroud inside and at 1.75hp it work perfect for anything I need to cut in my small shop. Just a recommendation to folks that you can spend a lot less $$ and get the SawStop contractor saw and it would still be an upgrade on most cabinet saws on the market...and the safety features are a massive bonus... p.s I don't work for Sawstop.
+Peter Robinson Thanks for the input Peter.
Great review Jay, I'm thinking about changing to the Saw Stop saw next year.
+Jon Peters Art & Home Ha ha. Someone's after a free table saw for themselves! Can't say I blame you Jon. Love your channel by the way.
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I'm glad to see the sport posters in the background. I really like your honesty on how you got the saw fronted to you.
Another great video Jay. It answered some of my questions. I was wondering how difficult it would be to cross cut a full length sheet of plywood with the added fence length. I think that 220 is the way to go if possible. I like these videos because you are so honest and like you say you have nothing to gain or lose from us buying or not buying the products. Those are the best reviews.
I completely understand the budget thing, that is why I bought the Ridgid table saw that I have.
Thanks for another great video. Look forward to next weeks!!!!
+My Next Project Thanks. Crosscutting a full sheet of ply at 52" is possible but it's not fun. I prefer to use my circular saw first.
This is where a track saw shines. I'll never break down sheet goods with a table saw. Hard on the back and pretty shady as far as safety goes. So easy to grab the ridged insulation board, drop the sheet good on it and cut away with the track saw.
Ignoring the anti-SawStop fanatics online, every review I've seen says the same thing. They don't just rely on the safety feature to sell this saw, but they've built a high quality saw around it and while it's expensive, it's worth it. I've met a lot of guys with missing digits over the years and all but one have been experienced carpenters. Shit happens....
Well, then buy an equally expensive Martin, Altendorf or Panhans and then come back and look at the SawStop quality. Then your dreams will get shattered.
@@bowlchamps37 find me any of those sliding table saws that you listed that aren’t either 3x the price, 30 or 40 years old and on their last legs having spent their life in a cabinet shop, and/or 3 phase.
And look like an aircraft carrier with 8 foot carriages.
Nicely done I recently did cut my thumb in the table saw first time in 25 years. I was thinking about Saw Stop before i even got to the hospital. Your video answered several questions for me. thanks
+Travis Brumfield Hope the thumb is alright man.
If you have electricity you have 240 volts. 120 volts x 2 circuits = 240 volts or go buy a double pole 240 circuit. Very simple.
Being from the uk I was confused for a mo, I’ve only ever experienced 240v or 400v
Thanks Jay.... Great saw indeed! Was particularly impressed by the lifting mechanism. It appeared to be a four-point hydraulic system. First class and more than I would expect in a home shop machine. Congrats man!
Love your honesty in this video Jay. You do seem very happy with this saw regardless of it being a sponsorship. I used a SawStop through college, I really had no idea how fortunate I was until I used others. In a bigger future shop, it will be the centerpiece
+Adam Brcic It's marketing, not sponsorship. They didn't pay me anything. But yes, I am very pleased with the saw.
Marketing, my mistake and should have realized that from your clear description in the video. Great saw. and wonderful reviews. I look forward to the next one.
Great review of the SS cabinet saw Jay. I've had my SS Contractor's saw for about two years now and I've really learned to love it. I did, however, have to do a lot of "tuning" to mine after I rec'd it. I needed to align the trunion because the blade was not parallel w/ the miter slots and I also had a very large "hump" in the fence which I had to sand out to make it flat. Overall it's a very nice saw and customer service cannot be beat from the SS support center.
Great review Jay. I recently used a Saw Stop in a cabinet making class..wow, what a saw. Definitely in my future!
I have the "Contractor" style SawStop.
The quality and attention to detail is flawless. Everything was perfectly aligned.
I'm a weekend hobbyist, and need to keep my fingers in tact for my day job. SawStop was the best money invested in the shop to date.
Thanks for your thoughts. Don't think I will be upgrading anytime soon but I will have to consider the SawStop if I were to upgrade.
Awesome, sir! Enjoyed the comparison/review. Happy for you that they provided that for you! Would definitely say you've earned it compared to the work you've put into your channel for everyone. When I get a bigger shop with more power I'll definitely be looking at one of these!
I really appreciate you taking you're time to share this info. GREAT SHARE!
Another great Tool Talk segment (hope thats the right word to use, lol). Since Im working out of a spare room in a rented trailer, I am limited not only in space but power as well. I am working off of a 20amp fuse (not breaker.... FUSE... yeah, its an old trailer..) A month ago, I purchased the DELTA 13-Amp 10-in Table Saw 36-725 . Thats the Max I can use here. The saw has been working perfectly for me so far. Yeah I know. Its only been a month. But after I have used it for a while (6 months or so) Im gonna do a review on it. But so far, I love it... Its my Big Upgrade from my old Rockwell 10" contractors Table Saw.
I'm a hobbyist. I work 50+ hours a week at a job that doesn't involve woodworking. I am still saving up for one of these saws. The table saw I have now is an old Craftsman saw that has a ton of issues. However the main reason I want a SawStop is safety. Table saws are dangerous, and this is the safest they can get. It helps that by all accounts it is also a fantastic table saw.
I have the same SawStop and I love it. Absolutely hands down the best saw I've owned and I do plan to keep all my digits. Even a close friend will not pick your nose for you.
Great review. Always enjoy your content. I wish I had bought one years ago just because of the quality of the saw. Safety feature is icing on the cake. If I ever buy another table saw I plan on a Sawstop.
Great info, I just got my pcs with 3hp and the 36” fence rails. Well built saw and the extra horsepower is nice. Unfortunately sawstop said I was too small time to work with.
Dude Good for you! Im enjoying the tool talks a lot! At some point when I get proper power to my shop I def looking at a good cabinet saw! Great content! keep it up!
I was looking at a SawStop when I got my Grizzly G0651, only reason I went with the Grizzly was there are some special blades that will not work on the SawStop. The SawStop is a great saw but there are some limitations and the Grizzly uses a Serpentine Belt System, there is no vibration.
Jay, great video, and an awesome, accurate eval
of the SawStop cabinet saw. Most of the high school
wood shop classes in my (Phoenix) area, have
SawStop saws, and the store I work at sells them.
I don't personally have one, my "shop" is way too tiny,
but after assembling quite a few, and talking with owners,
your eval is spot on.
There is a different dust collection system, that mounts
on the right end of the table, not the back side. If you do
not have a router table on your extension table, I'd
suggest looking at it. (I don't know if it works with the
52 inch fence, but it does with the 36 incher.)
steve
Finally, somebody with a no nonsense table saw review. Jay! thank you. I hope to build new shop in the new year and will likely have one of these in it.
I think you basically said what every woodworker that doesn't have a SawStop cabinet saw would say. Of course they're superior saws, but they come at a premium. I settled on a Jet 10" cabinet saw, but if I could do it all over again, I'd have held off on my air cleaner and dust collector and went for the sawstop. As always, great review. I didn't really feel any bias one way or the other. Just an honest accounting of your experiences.
Outstanding review of the SawStop PCS, Jay. As a relative novice at finish DIYing and being on a fixed income, I continue to use my old Crafstman 10" table saw whilst wearing my SawStop cap and dreaming. LOL. It will probably continue to be my "bucket list" saw, however. I always enjoy your videos and yesterday signed up for your new collaboration with Nick and April, two of my other favorites, and am looking forward to many trips with the pod casts as company. Keep up the good work, Jay.
Jay, thanks for this. I was trying to convince myself to spend the money when a Sawstop showed up on Craigslist, especially since I just bought my Delta 1.75 HP back in Sept. This video helped, plus it was deal that was too good to pass up. Turns out it is 52' industrial 5HP with all the factory stuff (manual, inserts, miter gauge, etc), plus the mobile base, a zero clearance insert plate, a dado insert plate, an extra break cartridge, a dado break cartridge and a Freud Dial-A-Width Dado still with the factory seal on the box. Got it all for $2000!!!!
Eagerly anticipated this. I'm in the process of spec'ing out a shed 14x24 or 28 for my new shop. I will either build it or have one placed. My shop is great but tiny in my basement and Festool has helped me out with space saving techniques. My little Dewalt contractor saw is really nice but.....my shop will have a cabinet saw and a SawStop is what my wife wants me to purchase. It's amazing to me how many people hate SS and @Jeff Ferguson said it best. Thanks for the video and Merry Christmas all.
I would eventually like to have this saw due to my boys being in the shop with me.
+Stone and Sons Workshop i dont think i have much of a need for the safety feature as im always careful (hopefully didnt just jinx myself!) but having your kids in the shop would be an excellent reason to have one!
That's a big reason I just got mine. My daughter actually made her first cross cut with it a couple of days ago (with my assistance)
mike gager Hope you didn't jinx yourself either.... David Gunn that's awesome.
I have the Sawstop ICS and it's 5 hp and I wish that I had the 7.5 hp. I regularly cut hundreds of linear feet of 8/4 hardwood and the speed in which it can do that is highly dependent on the power of the saw. I also opted for the sliding table and it works pretty good for breaking down plywood but I don't do this very often. I have had 2 false trips so far on our saw over a 3 year time period. One trip may have been from wet glue. Overall very pleased with the saw.
This is a great video and really answered what was on my mind. I rip a lot of 3 foot strips of 6/4 x 6/4 Maple. Do you think the 3hp is enough for that on a daily basis? Thanks again for making this video.
Great video! Very helpful for choosing which features I want
Jay,I have the exact SS with the 52" extension as well. I agree that as it turns out it is a clutter catcher and I might have been smarter to go with the standard width. I have had it more than a year and recall that assembly was extremely easy compared to my previous saw which was a Craftsman. My wife was sold when I showed her the hot dog video so the cost was not such a big deal. I thought you might mention the Miter Gauge...it seems a bit cheesy to me compared to the other accessories but I normally use my sled anyway. Thanks for the great videos and inspiration.
Great review Jay. I think you did a great comparison between the two saws.
Thanks for sharing
Roy
I have a friend who owns a Sawstop table saw and although the safety aspect is a great thing the best part is that it's just plain a good saw.
Good for you for being honest and telling your sub's about how you got the saw.Honesty
is something that is quickly disappearing in today's world. Thumb's up.
Thank you.
+Jay Bates 2 - Do you use different blades for ripping and crosscuting, what teeth count are your blades ?
great video again mate! Keep this series going. Your reviews are so much more informative.
+Ankur Singhal I use a 40 tooth blade for everything. As long as I keep it clean it works great for both tasks.
My experience with the Stop-saw is from a contractor's view.
One of my customers had an employee get nicked by a a great Delta saw worth big bucks. Even in a minor accident like this, with the loss of labor time, emergency room visit, paperwork, worker's comp claim, he felt that the cost of having a saw with this safety feature was now a cost saver. The delta was moved and set up for a single purpose task and a Stop-saw took its place. The contractor felt if the new saw could prevent all the costs from major and minor accidents it would save him and his company more than the additional costs. A year later he added a second one and has been very happy with the quality.
That being said, as a hobby woodworker on a budget, I'll focus on maintaining whatever saw I have. Good maintenance and familiarity with the tool can be just as important as an expensive safety feature.
SawStop is a really great product even without the safety features. My makerspace has the SawStop ICS and it's a pleasure to use.
I cut out cabinet parts with my sawstop, I always use the full length of my fence, I have the 52" as well. It makes cutting out 1/4" material easy.
Great overview, Jay. I appreciate how objective your reviews have been.
I've put 8/4 hardwoods through my 1.5hp Powermatic and it doesn't bog. I use Freud Diablo circular saw blades though. Very thin kerf, which helps the process.
I do the same thing with my 1.75 hp Pro SS and no issues here.
I bought this saw when they first came out. I think mine was around 4K but since I had a kid I wanted to make sure that would be one less tool to worry about him with. Mine has a screw in plate which isn't terrible but it does look like they have made an improvement there. I noticed that some commented about the brake firing if the wood was wet. I am not sure about the version you have but mine has a key that I can use to override the safety feature. I think I used it once for something that was questionable.
Great review. I'm hopeful that I can acquire a saw on this level in the future. I hadn't really considered a Sawstop previously, but I will now.
Also, congrats on building your channel/brand to the point that SawStop provided a saw. That's good work.
Saving up for my first tablesaw and love the enhanced safety features of the Sawstop but good safety practice is MANDATORY regardless.
Your videos are straightforward and to the point. I like that. I copied the following comments from a sawstop review video. I’d like someone who owns one of the saws to consider doing a more realistic demo that replicates a real tablesaw accident. Read on...
I’m still not sold on this (sawstop technology). Accidents on tablesaws rarely happen by pushing your finger into the blade: they occur via kickback.
In these demonstrations, they are pushing a wiener (a different CZcams video)at about 1mph into the blade. The outside of the blade rotates at 100mph+. Kickback occurs when the workpiece leaves the fence and gets pulled over the blade. Your entire hand, which is exerting downward pressure on the workpiece as you feed it through, gets raked over the spinning blade at incredible speed. Your hand is probably moving 30 to 50mph when it hits the blade. All these sawstop demonstrations do not replicate a real tablesaw accident.
Someone needs to pull the splitter on a sawstop, position a wiener or piece of steak on a board, get the saw to kickback and see what happens. There are safe ways to demonstrate a real kickback. I’d really like to see this as a service to the woodworking community. Shame on Sawstop for not demonstrating a real tablesaw accident instead of a kind of accident that rarely occurs
Sooooo, about that Grizzly......Great info man. I'm not in the market for a SawStop myself but it's cool to hear ya breaking it down like ya do.
Great review Jay! Its good to hear someone giving a straight forward opinion about tools without brand bashing. I am saving my pennies for the Grizzly G1023... which is now on hold because of the untimely death of my thickness planer. Keep up to good work and I look forward to your next tool talk!
G0454Z !!!!!
+Jay Bates 2 Had to go with the G0453Z and even that stung a little in the pocket book. But I think 15" will be plenty wide enough!
+Mike Merzke Nice :) I'd love to upgrade to that but I think a bandsaw with a decent amount of resaw capacity is first.
+Jay Bates 2 Yeah, I think a bandsaw that is able to resaw really gives you more options with your lumber. I have the Grizzly 14" bandsaw but haven't added the riser block so I only have 6" of resaw capability... of course I only have a 6" jointer so I guess its not really an issues... YET!
You always use good shop safety in your videos, but it is nice to have the added safety built into the SawStop. Sweet deal to boot.
Great review. You pointed out a few things that I was not considering. Thank you.
I really hope to get to a place to afford a saw stop. Thanks for all the information about your saw. Were you wiping dust off of it or petting it?
+Ted Alexander lol, wiping the dust off.
I love my SawStop. I had a Delta contractor saw before I got this one. Nothing was wrong with the one I had, but I wanted one that had the safety feature built in. I have a son now and hopefully he will want to learn and it will allow me to not worry as much! I have the 36" set up and have been wondering if I should had got the bigger one...I believe you answered that question now! I also have the standard mobile base. It is so easy to move this saw around! Now I have to go try to unload my new planer... :)
+Leldon Maxcy That planer though!!!!
You didn't mention the arbor. What I'm curious about is its size (shaft and flange) and runout. Would be great to know, if you can meassure/reach it. Overall a very good and objective review.
I have the same saw and the shaft 5/8". Not sure what a flange is.
Last time i looked its a 5/8" arbor with a maximum dado blade width of 3/4".
Very nice review and it's nice to see someone frankly admit the 'safety feature' is important. To me it is a no-brainer because the consequences of an injury vastly outweigh the extra expense. I know SS has rubbed many the wrong way with its advocacy of what is of course self-serving legislation. I do appreciate your honest disclosure of your business relationship with SS but as an owner of a PCS I feel you gave a very fair review.
Great review have had mine for a year now, awesome saw. All things aside I looked at three saws all higher end in quality and performance, if you do your homework Sawstop isn't that much more expensive worth the extra for the piece of mind. Fit and finish is incredible on this saw!
always wondered why you switched to the saw stop. had a feeling it might have been given to you by saw stop since it seemed you had just gotten the grizzly recently. pretty cool they did that without much asked for in return.
Hi Jay another great video I just watched your Domino Video and now you've done a video on the other new high end toy I treated myself to. All I can say is your so right accidents do happen and that's why they're called accidents, I like having ten fingers ( well 8 fingers and 2 thumbs to be honest lol ), keep up the great work.
Talk about one BADASS Saw!! Thx for the review Jay!!
Great review Jay. I too have this same setup (36"). I can't agree with your statements more. I love my saw and would definitely buy it again if needed. I really enjoy your tool talks, very informative.
Great review Jay. Saw stop is up next in my shop purchases
+Wayne Brown Roger that :)
Hopefully I can afford one some day. I think the extra cost is worth the peace of mind, if you can afford it. An extra $1000 for a better quality saw, AND only needing stitches vs. losing fingers or a hand, and possibly bleeding to death in the case of an accident. Seems worth it to me. Good review. Thanks as always for taking your time to provide such informative and entertaining videos.
Thanks for such a detailed comparison.
Thanks for all of the information. That is the saw I want too, but just can't afford it yet.
Nice review. Sawstop was my first table saw, although I had used other's before. I wanted a quality cabinet saw, and the cost was comparable with similar type saws - plus the safety feature. I would also purchase it again if needed. I have had no accidents, but did set off the cartridge once with some conductive material. It worked perfectly and I had to replace the blade and cartridge - but it was my fault and I am even more confident in the safety feature working if ever needed.
"but did set off the cartridge once with some conductive material". I bet that was a bit of a shock!
+Just Make It Yes - quite a shock. It happened so fast, it was like...Pop!...what the ???...Oh, crap - graphite is conductive...duh. (language cleaned up a bit)
We have a saw stop 3 hp in our shop. I like it for most operations it is as good as the old Delta and it is much safer. The safety brake on the blade is definitely a plus for safety. Now I come to disagreement. The dust cleaning system is not a plus. It clogs badly and the inside dust hose is a constant problem choking down. We did not have many cleaning problems with the 5 h.p. Delta. I would say the safety feature on the blade which eliminates loosing a hand or finger is absolutely worth the dust cleaning problems. I teach carpentry and have students learning how that never used a table saw. We have had to replace brakes which cost about $70.00 each time we have one lock down. However, we have not had any hands or fingers to replace.
The Sawtop saw I think is great with all it's safety features however I feel that any saw with the same horse power motor can do the job as well. I went from a Craftsman table saw to a General International table saw & I love this thing. Granted I don't use it enough because of just everyday life but I wouldn't trade it for nothing. I know you hate giving your opinion on tools but I'm in the market for a jointer but I don't have lot of money to spend. What do you think about the Porter Cable 6in jointer as a starter???? Love the material you put out. Keep up the good work.
Hey congrats and have fun! For those of us still playing in job site saw land any cabinet saw would be great. I'd definitely go for sawstop though if that was an option.
I don't know how many patents will expire in 2021. That is 2 to 3 years from now depending on what time of the year they start expiring. From now to then how many fingers, hands, hospital trips, and operations will he SawStop prevent. Mine is a great saw.
I think the best piece of advise (when it comes to purchasing expensive tools) is to ALWAYS purchase the best tools you can afford. Even if you need to save your milk money for a little while - and just keep in mind that as soon as you buy the latest and greatest - the next best thing is sure to hit the market...
I will be picking up my SawStop this weekend. For me, it isn't just about the saw stopping feature, but all the little attention to details that SawStop has put into their design. The blade brake, while nice, is not intended to replace common sense and general intelligence when it comes to woodworking. You still have to be otherwise qualified to work with tools, and especially power tools, to use this device. That being said, I would much rather pay for a few stiches than to have a finger reattached, or worse, have to learn how to do everything with fewer fingers. Great video, and keep up the great work.
Great review Jay. Really enjoying the Tool Talks. I have the Grizzly G6090 (per your last table saw upgrade - (insert eye rolling here - hard to keep up with the Bates ;) ). I can totally see you upgrading (I'd do the same if the situation arose). Tool sponsors are sweet - aren't they... :) I just wish some of these tools weren't so darn expensive (i.e. Festool & SawStop) for the non-professional/tool-fund strapped woodworker. But that's not your doing & don't stop what you are doing. It's much appreciated.
+David Colley "hard to keep up with the Bates"... Love it, lol.
I see a movie deal.. Keeping up with the Bates. lol
One thing you only alluded to is that the Grizzly is nearly HALF the price. The safety of the Sawstop is worth the money, alone, but as you did say, budget concerned prevent most hobbyists from owning a Sawstop. Even their contractor saw is about the price of the Grizzly and it has stamped steel wings.
Oh, and I forgot, excellent review. I really like your honest and straightforward reviews.
Yeah that seems like something worth mentioning. A similarly equipped Grizzly would be the G1023RLX with the universal overarm dust collector, shop fox mobile base, and extension. His build of the SawStop comes in at $3526 according to the SawStop website and the Grizzly build I just laid out comes in at $2084. You are really comparing apples and oranges at that kind price difference. Of course the little features are a bit nicer. A Mercedes has nicer features than my Civic and I would expect it to. I get the SawStop is a wonderful machine but it should really be compared to something like a Powermatic or at least the Jet Deluxe Xacta range.
Love those saws! Any chance we can see a tool talk on the Grizzly band saw? I have been seriously considering purchasing the exact same saw after quite alot of research and hearing the great things you have said about it in past videos. I would really like to hear what it is you like and dislike about it. Thanks for the vids Jay, can't get enough!
Sure.
Ditto, I'm in the market for a bandsaw.
I'm looking to upgrade and would love the safety features of the sawstop
Very nice review, unfortunately I can't purchase either saw where I live in Ireland
After my band saw incident I have looked at Saw Stop, just not in the budget......one day though.
Marc Eaton hey brother did you fall asleep at the band saw you really have to be wreak less to hurt yourself on a bandsaw