Electric Truck Battle Starts Now! Rivian vs Cybertruck vs Silverado EV vs F-150 Lightning
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- čas přidán 16. 03. 2024
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#rivian #cybertruck #f150lightning - Auta a dopravní prostředky
If anyone has a Hummer EV in the area hit us up!
I live in Denver, I’ve seen two of them driving around. So they are out there.
Maybe you should commit to not prying body panels off or running to full stop. Some may not want that treatment to their $100k + vehicle.
Where is the fun in that?
Are you going to pay them for the use of their Hummer at going market rate for rentals?
yes please get hummer EV and then start test them all
don't compare them without Hummer EV
Well, clearly a 10% challenge is in order.
Absolutely! That EVgo station doesn’t know what’s coming for it 😅
And maybe the F-150 and Rivian could do Supercharger 10% challenges too.
@@RRH377 It's too bad the Cybertruck still can't use EVgo, too. It would be nice to see it get its full 325+ kW peak power.
I was going to suggest that!
You should compare The headlights
I second this
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Silverado EV: Yep, those are headlights. Fog lights too. Cool.
Rivian: Awww, what a cute little face it has!
Cybertruk: This thing has headlights? Where?
F-150 Lightning: Hahahaha it has a fu-manchu!
I want to see towing efficiency at different speeds: 40mph, 50mph, 60mph.
And a mid weight trailer, not the max, but a recreational trailer in the mid-3000 weight. I pull a pop-up with my Ioniq 5. I take a 50% hit in range, but that's starting with a relatively efficient car without a trailer.
Agree, it would be interesting to see the isolated impact of weight. Towing a low profile flatbed trailer once each with 3-4,000 lbs then again with the same trailer with 8-10,000 lbs. both with the same frontal profile
@@michaelsmithers4900
I have a 2023 F-150 Lighting Lariat, extended range. I had 700 lbs in the truck bed, and a 5 x 10 enclosed "V" shaped trailer (1,200 lbs empty) towed behind it, but I was carrying about 1,500 lbs of lumber and building material inside. I lost 44% of range, which included driving an average of 110 km/h, a/c on, with about 600 lbs (2 people, 2 large dogs) inside the cab. I was driving from Calgary, Alberta Canada to Revelstoke BC, in a very mountainous region. Planned out my trip, and it worked very well. Lots of power to pass, comfortable and the cabin is very quiet, even with the road noise.
On another note, I had driven the truck between Calgary AB and Edmonton AB in -39C (-38.2F) and -60C (-76F) with the windchill. While the battery lost 53% efficiency do to the cold, and my range dropped over 60%, it worked fine charging at a mid-way-point.
@@brianpletcher8055 have you considered driving slower to increase range and decrease charging time?
Often range is thought to be static but it’s actually extremely variable due to multiple factors. One considerable factor is wind resistance at high speeds. To that end people should understand that if they are concerned about range (being less than distance to destination) they can easily extend their range by slowing down. That goes double for towing a bulky trailer.
I would like to see a “Boat Launch” test. Ease of use, handling, stopping (since most boat trailers use surge brakes) and even X factors like how good is the design to help you self launch a boat.
Use a couple of different boats… a jet ski vs a large bow rider with a multiple axel trailer.
I love the Rivian, but one pedal driving is NOT a good thing when backing down a boat ramp in my opinion.
Factors for the test:
Visibility when pulling (mirrors and cameras)
Ease of backing down the ramp - single jet skis are a challenge in any pickup
Ease of controlling a large boat / trailer down the ramp
Slippage when recovering a boat… that first move up the ramp when the boat is first floated on
Handling with big trailer/boat (same course, obstacles across all test trucks, same trailer/boat combo)
This is a great idea
Dunno about in the Rivian but in my Ioniq 6 the one-pedal (iPedal) can be turned off - it does not even stay in operation after you switch off, but will default to Level 3 regen. I can set regen to zero if I wish.
@@petesig93 the closest you can get (in a Rivian) to disabling regen is the Snow drive mode.
In general, I like one pedal driving. But, there are just a few exceptions where the “old way” might be safer.
Backing a 7000 pound boat trailer down a boat ramp into salt water in a 7000 pound electric truck, tapping the accelerator to make it go feels all wrong. Your foot should be firmly planted on the brake (in this one case).
In Rivian’s defense, this could be in a future software update one day… Boat Launch mode… only works in reverse at low speeds, initiated by pressing the brake and activating the mode in reverse, simulates an “idle” speed in reverse so you can ease up off the brake to make it go. No need to shift your foot from brake to accelerator back and forth.
Please test vampire drain between all of the trucks!
You mean phantom drain?
As so many trucks used as family vehicles, would love to see how easy it is for kids to get in/out and same for grandparents. Also, how easy to mount traditional accessories using cross bars on cab / bed.
And to add how easy it is to add child seats
2nd the family vehicle comparison. We have a Lightning as our family car and it is amazing. Stroller and rumble seat fit in the frunk and plenty of cargo room.
Also, ease of parking in a shopping center.
Cybertruck is pretty easy on low mode I just drove one today
I drove the Silverado and I had a hard time getting in and out. I didn’t like the running boards.
I would like to see tests for the most common things people do with their trucks: Loading groceries, Hauling dirt/mulch/trash, towing a boat/camper
How many sheets of 4X8 foot 1/2 inch plywood can the trucks hold?
We always bought 8 foot beds for hauling.
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I'm from LA. How bad can it park and how close can it tailgate? That's what LA truck buyers need to know.
I use my lightning frunk all the time! I load groceries in it when I back into the stalls. This would be a great comparison.
You mean hauling air? 😂
Add ICE pickup for baseline
Would like to see thermals of the trucks pushed, so hot ambient temps, max towing for 500+ miles requiring multiple charging stops to see who’s thermal management in repeated charging with heavy loads for 8+ hours of work can hold up.
Maybe a turning radius comparison?
THIS
Yes, maneuverability is definitely a concern with these big/long vehicles
Would be really interesting to see a subtest of Chevy and Tesla 4 wheel steering, since they are the only two to have this feature so far. See which is better at that particular feature.
I have a Rivian R1T. Amazing truck and i love it. But i will admit its turning radius is ass
Cybertruck I think will win, the steering on it is amazing.
How about a Moose test? Curious how steer by wire works in that scenario
The more I see the Silverado EV, the more I like it. I am really looking forward to getting in one; I really am excited about the 3WT because of it's payload numbers. I will say that the F-150 Lightning is hands down the best Ford that I have ever driven. I am really looking forward to the release of that cross-country race.
Can you please do a test comparing visibility in all of the trucks? Specifically, front visibility of something child sized? The safety of large trucks is starting to become a talking point, so I’d be interested in seeing how much more dangerous the Cybertruck is for pedestrians, since headlines love to say it’s a menace.
You can't even see a compact car in front of a semi.
I was thinking about requesting something similar.
To me, it looks like the Cybertruck has the lowest front edge. But the ride height setting is obviously a factor here.
I’d love to see a towing test pulling the same trailer at the same weight all at the same time. 100%-0%.
I want to see a towing challenge. One set at 70 MPH, one at 55 MPH; with both an “aerodynamic mid-weight” trailer (a Safari Alto Condo for example) and a “heaviest weight all allow, boxy not aerodynamic” trailer. (A flat-front box at 10,000 lbs.)
A “towing 10%” test would be a nice addition, too. Maybe 30 minutes charging, or just “charge until the rate drops below 1C”?
Agreed on slower speed and mid weight trailer. The obsession that many have with max towing at 75mph is ridiculous. They're evs, we know they'll do bad at that. Why not test them with reasonable loads 4-7k lbs at 55-65mph so a customer can see how it performs when you are actually trying to live with it while accepting the occasional towing performance compromise.
Please tow an Airstream to see how far each one can go with the most aerodynamic rvs. Thks!
I was a little disappointed that "one more thing" at the Rivian R2 release was not a hat Rivian R2T...We need a mid to small-size EV Truck that is affordable. In the meantime, I'm just going to save for a big truck😁
I would love to see a family road trip, or a camping trip, the normal family things. That is where different features of the truck come out
Could you guys make a spreadsheet comparing pricing, specs and results you collect for each truck so we can have a complete overview
Can't wait for the off road tests. I own two Lightnings and we use them for work at remote cell tower sites here in CA. They are very capable for what we do. They see lots of off road use in and around the CA desert out here. The Silverado EV looks great with it's larger battery but I'd like to see more off road tests to see how the weight of the Silverado affects off road capability. Might be more prone to flat tires over the sharp rocks we have out here. Great videos can't wait!
What are some cool things on the lightning. That a average joe might not know.
Do the MOOSE test
Nobody does EV testing better than Kyle. Can’t wait to see all of this great content.
Three totally different things i want to see you test:
1. Camping and camp-mode uses. All have some sort of power outlets, and/or camp mode, etc. SOC drop overnight, etc.
2. App comparisons. Interior pre-conditioning capability, time to unlock doors from phone lock screen, what information is available, etc.
3. I would like to see what the current service lead time is on each truck for your local dealers. Try to schedule a somewhat simple service, and show what the first available appointment is for each brand. (You can do this even on the mfg loaners by using generic vehicle info).
a real and fair comparison off road challenge! thank you
Tug of war! 😂
Yes yes yes!
My dream list (I know some of these are already planned)
-70mph range test
-DCFC test
-10% challenge
-Towing range test
-Payload range test
-Highway/city combined driving loop efficiency
-Acceleration testing (unloaded, loaded, towing)
-Mild off-road or 4wd test (low traction wheel/motor control calibration testing)
-Level 2 charging test (overnight time frame)
I’m looking forward to this video more than any other in the past 3 years.
Test maneuverability in parking lots, parallel parking, home and public garages as well as small roads. See which one can handle everyday use the best.
I have seen a lot of off-road content for the Rivian, but not much for the other trucks. I would be interested in seeing those comparisons.
I wouldn't mind seeing small space maneuverability. As in tight job site parking/loading/back door contractor access. Maybe see some reverse trailering capability/site lines/wheel lock to wheel lock/ boat launch type of stuff.
Happy to share on our pages and groups ! Great job Connor and team !
I would like to see which is easier to use as a power backup/generator. Saw some videos about lightning and how frustrating it is to use in that sense.
The Home Integration System aside (they’re kinda rare, and I didn’t want to spend $4k on one excluding installation/upgrades), a simple procedure:
(1) if you have a manual transfer switch, flip it,
(2) take your 240A/30A generator cable and plug it into the house and the bed outlet,
(3) turn on the bed outlet power. And that’s it.
Other than the vague frustration of certain car systems needing to be more “on” than you’d want in a camping/generator mode, it’s literally 3 super simple steps, and easier than a gas powered portable generator.
I would like to see a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed of each truck: laying flay, tilted, with bed extender, or tailgate down and strapped in - whatever works well for each truck. How would you actually move a sheet of plywood in this on the highway?
Can we get a comparison of front and rear visibility both with and without cameras. Like sit in a normal driver's position and mark on the road where you can see.
So hey…
You guys are very thorough and informative and you obviously love what you do.
Keep it up👍🏻
Can’t wait to see the ranch content. An underrated use case for EV IMO
I like seeing the daily life situations that do not require calculations: Which dirty body areas are missed after driving though automatic car washes, parking maneuvers in tight parking garages, door swing clearance in tight parking spaces (for ingress/egress), how well does the bed drain after rinsing out loose sand/bark mulch, spare tire removal.
Awesome video Out Od Spec. I would be so interested in seeing these trucks maximum payload in their beds. Somtimes it just makes more sense to use the pickup truck bed over a trailer. Can't wait to your test videos and happy trucking!
Car seat tests in the rear seat. How well due rear facing car seats fit? Can you still seat an adult in the middle with two car seats in the rear?
Fold up the seats and see how large a TV will fit inside.
Infotainment/route planning comparisons. Handling on ice and snow. Parking/maneuvering. Pet comfort. Towing (box trailer/boat). Off roading (mud/deep water). Party tricks comparison. Race to Vegas!!!!
I would love to see a Home Depot run comparison. Mulch, rocks, tools, paint, etc. Which one carries the most is most important I would think, but maybe efficiency for people who live in the sticks. Thanks guys!
😂 Most of these trucks will only do a home depot trip once per year. Most people overestimate the reasons why they must have a truck! Just say they look cool.
Maybe some places, but not where I live.@@onlineo2263
wow the cybertruck looks so big driving down the street but in the lineup it looks small
The Cybertruck is shorter in length than a Toyota Tacoma double cab long bed. And the CT is also about the same height as the Tacoma.
Lens distortion, as you progressively get to the edge things appear wider than they are.
I thought at one point someone said it was the lightest EV truck.
Don't forget about families! Sooooo many people use their trucks as family vehicles in addition to all of the stuff you covered. Especially with 4 doors, try out car seats in there, of all types, rear facing, forward facing, booster seats.... see how kids with cargo will fit.... while towing that heavy boat or camper on the family vacation. Cheers!
Just the best channel there is. Greetings from Germany!
Hey Kyle, I would love to see real world impressions of the experience when the truck is packed with people. And maybe a dog too😊
Anyone who does family road trips knows why this is important
Would like to see camper towing/camping comparison. Not just the towing range, but also can the onboard power be used while charging. Run the A/C and Microwave in the camper while charging. Can you plug the truck into the campsite 14-50 with EVSE and then use the onboard power to power the camper. So you can charge the truck while powering the camper off an EVSE at the camping site on a single 50 amp plug or even a 30 amp plug
Some off-road comparisons would be cool!!
THIS
Overlanding, rock crawling, drifting...
Take it to Moab, see how far each one can get on Poison Spider (Hell’s Revenge and FinsNThings are too easy).
I want to see the climb that he’s done in the past.
I’d like to see how deep water they can ford/wade through. At least talk about that spec while doing off-roading.
Great to see more videos out there! Personally and a fan of the races so will definitely watch the coast to coast race....watched a lot of top gear and the races are always the most entertaining part of the show fo=r me!
This channel should have at least 1 million subscribers. Love your detailed content
Sounds like you've already start to sort out which you like and which you don't like. I look forward to a detailed comparison of all aspects of the trucks!
King of TUG OF WAR!!!
Yes please.
Been waiting for this type of comparison. I appreciate each of what these trucks are. They tell an awesome story of what is possible with new/different tech (Cyber Truck) to what takes to go far (Silverado) hot rod truck Rivian, and the familiar truck (Ford)All these vehicles tell an interesting story for the EV truck market as whole. I get excited!!! So what I would like to see is what you are already have planned also I would like to have thoughts shared on what it would take to be competitive in the future bases on what is available today.
240kw! Great Scott!!
Some snow driving comparisons would be great, hope we get another snow storm here soon
You should either use a different Rivian or remove your bed rack for any tests that it might affect (e.g. range, handling, acceleration,...).
Oh man. This channel is truly the reference how to do testing!
Bjørn says hi.
(10 years of data)
@@rogerstarkey5390 I love Bjørn and probably spend 10-20 hours every week on his videoes. But even he is a Ninja, he is not able to do what Out of Spec does when they collect serveral people doing tests together.
I was hoping to see a Canoo but maybe next time.
And a unicorn!
Turning circles & how many turns lock to lock. Stopping distances with available regen settings.
Which one has the best aftermarket accessories support?
Super cool!
I would like to know about two items: the headlighting and night / rain /snow / fog weather driving and do this vehicles have reverse parking cameras?
I have absolutely no use for a truck. But, I’ll watch anyway because Kyle is so good about testing and maybe I can make a recommendation to others.
Same.
One test I would like to see is doing all trucks at the same time towing on highway, up hill, & down hill recording each person perspective I have seen FLT do it with ICE motor and Ford/Chevy but I would like to see what people opinion on their own experience and make it a test of 100 mile loop or course. Have a blind drawing on who drives which truck with same trailer/load if possible.
Best one for camping.
Would be great to hear more about how you feel in the cabin. View, comfort, ease, handling, safety, steering, and overall atmosphere . Thank you and look forward.
I love it. Do bidirectional charging capability competitions.
And which ones can do vehicle-vehicle charging at the highest kwh.
Could you please talk about customer service. And ease of service in general and what that would look like especially for the Tesla and the Rivian. Thank you for your informative channel.
A weekend going camping and plugging the camper trailer to the truck for the weekend
Not related, but it’s time for another beak update. Did the service on the coolant valve help the charging curve?
In regards to the trucks, can you throw in the cost of charging? This can vary depending on cost per kWh, but gives a good roundabout number.
Id love to see Alyssa compare which is the best truck for dog performance sports / rescue and road tripping with dogs
Another suggestion if you're towing something with a truck might as well be a pontoon boat... Is the leading recreational boat used today
Another cool test to try out between the trucks , is the area of automation features . Like automatic parking mode , like automatic adaptive cruise control . Plus how each truck handles pedestrian safety , what automatic features are built into each truck , etc.
Also towing mass vs. volume
Yes. Very good. Now tell me about that green mk 7!
I'd love to see how different trailers affect the trucks differently! E.g. A flatbed trailer will tow much easier and be a lot less of a hit on mileage vs say an 8 foot cargo trailer with a large frontal square footage area. Also headlight pattern tests!
Off-road comparison. Usability for outdoor recreation like camping with a RTT/overlanding. Bed access.
Super simple but I’m about the same height as Kyle and I want to know how difficult is to grab that small item (ratchet strap, hitch, etc.) from the front of the bed on those trucks.
Thanks Kyle. A one off request. I Astro-camp and I am a Lightning owner. My one big qualm is the inability to have the lights off while running the truck and opening and closing doors. I want to have a warm truck on cold nights and want to be able to get into and out of the truck with no exterior or interior lights coming on. I can dim the displays with red material. Thanks for considering my request to quickly explore this feature regularly in your reviews. Akin to dog mode feature. Keep up the great work.
Could you do the water test with the Cybertruck
I like this stuff!
For towing test, weight is interresting but wind impact is more. Can you town test with closed tall trailer
Seattle to Miami towing challenge, a run that I gave driven my model 3 and U-Haul moving truck and wondering the cost of such a trip across the US would be … let the challenge begin
Here we go!
I would love to know if you can fit any of them in a standard garage and if not, what would your recommended charging solution be for charging in the driveway or street?
An issue that I have had with my model Y is icy roads or deep snow. It seems that the open differentials allow one wheel to slip which triggers the brake caliper and causes it to lock up then it just drags along until i let off the accelerator.
With these trucks I understand that most, if not all, have some sort of limited slip diff or multiple motors on a single axle so I would love to see how well they handle those conditions. Unfortunatley the weather might not pan out during this limited time.
Would like to see a 70 mph tow test with an boat or utility trailer and maybe a charger race from 10% to 80% to see what all the charging curves are like.
Yea,after the range tests we want to see the towing test too.Is that the Coda on the end there looking sweet.
cold weather testing if possible. how does the range get impacted at low temps for all the trucks!
can you improve the loading curve from the Cyber truck with it own Compressor? Give a cool boost over the head exchanger?
I would love to see a video that compares the front and back seat room with four and 5 adults
Can't wait! Payload total capability in terms of weight and volume would be useful for real world usability. Remember foldable rear seats and upper usable space in the Vault, & under-bed space for the Cybertruck, when tonneau covers are closed.
Kyle.
Why not get some teflon tape and stick a layer on both the tyre and the wheel cover on the CT?
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Or, a liberal layer of silicon grease between the two?
I'd like to know how they compare to each other in providing power to the house (in case of blackout say), power tools/work site, camp site, etc.
Would love to see a comparison of these trucks towing a camper trailer. Interested to see how much the aero affects the efficiency at different speeds.
I have towed a small horse trailer with two llamas a few times in my R1T. I lost almost exactly 40 percent going 70 to 75 most of the drive.
Pretty excited for this! I second the 10% challenge....predict the Silverado to win that. Maybe also do some sort of cargo comparison and add in the EV9 to compare truck vs SUV.
I want to see how the bed and all the goodies in them hold up after hauling a load of gravel or garden compost.
Power some appliances off the trucks like a camp fridge dometic/iceco, is it reasonable to power them off the truck's main battery pack or should you bring an external portable battery.
Will the silverado carry a 570 polaris sportsman 2-up?? That what I would like to know.
Testing the regenerative braking would be cool. Downhill freeway grade with the same 1000 lb load in each bed.