3 things I HATE about my Rivian R1T after 10,000 miles
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Can you give us an update of your plant friend in the future. Maybe call it "Riv" and it will be great tree in the future inside your car.
#1 - its electric
LOL
imagine losing max range every year xD
damn bro
At least toyota was smart enough to not go full-cock electric
naw, im good. thanks
Your windows look retarded btw
you can just get the truck dirty dude you dont need to pour mud on the windows.
bruh theres no way in hell you wouldnt hear that water in your door in a normal car.
you are soooo disingenuous talking about "BUT ITS A QUIET ELECTRIC CAR SO THATS PRY WHY"
Lmaooo
You are probably one of the few owners who actually uses the Rivian for truck stuff
Most people who do manual labor probably cant afford one, or cant risk the investment and have it possibly fail on them
@@Rockmaster867 Most people don't use "normal" pickup trucks for pickup truck stuff either though. Frankly, it's ridiculous.
What's even the point in getting this truck if you're not gonna use it for truck stuff? Still the 2nd problem with the trapped dirt inside proves they didn't test it for truck stuff either otherwise they would have noticed this issue
@@laur6405 ego thing
Most people will put a tarp in the truck if they for some reason has to dump dirt into it.
The water drainage and dirt accumulation are huge huge issues. That's exactly how you rot out a truck with rust in no time.
The doors are aluminum. They will not rust. As far as the electronics in the doors are concerned though, that's the bigger problem.
@@techforever1970aluminum is not immune to rust lol
Water inside doors and moist inside... It will rust and catch on fire. So it's a time bomb
@@iamtheone2292yeah although aluminum itself is always protected by a thin layer of oxide, a small pH change in surrounding environment could easily wipe out the oxide layer and cause aluminum to rust
All that water, with the potential to freeze in the door…sounds..not so great.
Appreciate the honest review. What I would suggest it running a small hose from the water door to back end where the soil is accumulating to water the plant that is growing there and installing a grow bulb in one of the brake lights to also assit the plants growth. Who knows, you may be able to also grow your own food supply with this truck!!
Thanks for the tips!
Modern problems require modern solutions!
I don't think I would go that far, but that's a very unique solution.
its closed space, no need for the bulb, because there is plenty of moisture as we saw for groving a small potato farm
Hahaha
The second issue is actually insane. Wildest oversight in a truck.
Yep. That making the truck almost useless. Water will also get in their and cause rust
Rivian really taking this green initiative seriously with plants growing inside the trucks
the vehicle to master all elements at once ahah
Nice one 👏👏👏
The true "Net-Zero Carbon Vehicle"
dear sir, that is a feature not a flaw
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The dirt/water issues are awful but technically your truck will become green earlier if it grows plants and produces oxygen. You could use the water trapped in the doors to help them grow.
underrated comment
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A mobile "rain barrel." 😊
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getting a carbon credit score should be the last thing ppl worry about. enough with this green bullshit. buy an electric vehicle if you want one but dont think you are "helping the environment" the only way we "help the environment " is by eating bugs, living in caves and dying.
You can definitely take off the lower panel to clear out that dirt. I just started as a rivian tech and we take that panel out for many service procedures. I can’t tell you if that will mess with your warranty, so call up your local service center. Also, being in the warranty period means our techs will take care of both problems one and two no problem with our mobile service. I may see if we can escalate that issue with the bed; we may be able to offer a fix for that in the future. A tunnel through the body on each side seems like a good solution. I believe the body panels are aluminum. Utilize our warranty! People come in with minor rattles and we fix them no questions asked; this is a much larger issue.
I have some rattles that sound like they’re coming from up front somewhere at low speeds. Like clanking noises. Suspension maybe? Idk. Its not very loud but just an annoyance after a while. What should i file the ticket for? 2022 R1T
Give your local service center a call it will be taken care of no questions asked. Describe it just like you did here. Our warranty program is amazing.
Give your local service center a call it will be taken care of no questions asked. Describe it just like you did here. Our warranty program is amazing.
These are real issues and a better dislike list than most of professional car reviewers. Most people are usually like '' this seat should be 1 cm longer, handles look odd, mirrors should be bigger''. The things you bring up are what we are looking for!
Exactly!...and if they want to give it creds as a real truck, they need to go to a separate cab and bed, offer a longer bed, and offer a 2 door version for someone who don't need or want a sedan pickup...makes more room for a longer, more useful bed, also...
I appreciate that you treated this truck like a truck, instead of a daily driver sitting in an office parking lot everyday, and can give a comprehensive review.
It's not like he ever did anything impressive with the truck. It's probably never seen standing water, mud or snow.
Pile of crap. Way over priced.
@dat_sun I bet people who know you in real life think you're exhausting to be around
@@Dat_Sun There's literally a shot of it mudding/driving into standing water 3:05
@@Bsmitty358 sure is, but geo could do that. That was hardly an example.
The water freezing would be a huge concern, the dirt building up is just an exact case of where engineers just don’t understand real world scenarios. It happens a lot.
Yeah, that concern would be the biggest reason for me not buying it... other than I probably just don't have enough money to buy one, but whatever...
yup those are terrible design flaws. Him saying he would buy it again, only comes from the fact of excess financial stability. a car looking like this is not even close to acceptable after a year, no matter how hard u use.
Most people don't drive dirt around on a regular basis its a design flaw for sure but not that would affect most people
@@Amphibax I would push back a little bit, it’s a truck. They are supposed to do truck stuff. Hauling dirt or gravel is a normal activity. Truck beds are often used for that
I wouldn't buy it because its an ev
Trapped water in the door is a dealbreaker in Montana where we can get rain one moment and freezing temps the next - water would expand and break the door or components inside.
Your camera looks so beautiful especially with that great background. A beautiful beautiful nature backdrop. So bright and vibrant!
This is why you're one of my favorite reviewers, you're as brutally honest with the negatives as you are with the positives.
Cause he's not a little bish like other "reviewers".
Yeah. Exactly.
Brutally honest? He said the speed, utility, and power are beyond anything else on the road right now, all of which are objectively false.
@@mikedonovan9033 0-60 in about 3 seconds or less, excellent off-road capability, 700HP with a motor in each of the four wheels, adjustable suspension, very good built quality? I get not liking something, but none of that is "objectively false". it's numbers, you can't argue numbers
I was expecting stupid problems that were mostly up to preference. But these are legit issues. Thanks for this!
The third one is a stupid problem. You can't put anything metal on any wireless charger, even the ones for your desk.
@@TheRealBrownShady did you try a tape measure?
@@EarlCothis is a fair point it is because the tape mesure makes a coil, any wireless charger would probably react the same
@@EarlCo I think the thing that's stupid is that you can't turn it off. A 2023 corolla has a nice little power on/off button to prevent that very thing from happening.
@@Electronica27 On the 2021 Tesla Model Y, you can unplug the entire wireless charging module from its USB-C port, not that I'd set a tape measure on that surface anyway since it's at a 45° angle
Great video!
I spotted the plant just as you started to talk about it.
It reminded me of my childhood family wagon. One summer we discovered bean sprouts under one of the floor mats where peas (that we were using for spit ball ammo) had gotten trapped after a previous camping trip or something.
My siblings and I thought it was the funniest thing ever.
Mom and Dad, not so much.
Here in Minnesota the dirt accumulation would accumulate salt really bad. Beside salting the roads in the winter, they salt the rural rock roads in the summer to keep the dust under control and that would be a big issue. You just don't want to see your new vehicle rust any sooner than it has to. For me, that's a deal breaker. Thanks for the video.
The plant growing inside the truck is an integral part of Rivian’s long term ecological strategy. Later you can transplant all of the plants you’ve started, passively, in your truck, into a local field, thus lowering the carbon footprint of your truck even further.
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I'd be worried about what happens when the dirt/rock stuck in there gets wet. No, not the plant growing. But the rust that will now be well moisturized to spread.
It's not unique to the Rivian though. Lots of old ICE pickups, used to haul or hard offroad, accumulate dirt and dust up under the fender wells and inside the doors. When the moisture comes and, it will, this means those areas are caked with mud. Which is why you get rust through from the inside in those areas over time.
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Cop: pulled you over because your car smells like marijuana
Driver: somehow a marijuana seed fell into my truck, it started growing and I can’t reach. So it just lives there
Cop: 💀
If this is common for all Rivians, the door will rust off by 100 000 miles, so might the rear compartment. Both pretty big problems.
Imagine paying $100k for this nonsense???
Any car will with salt on the road.
Doesn't matter at this point
I live in Canada and there's plenty of Toyotas and Hondas over 10yrs old and still going around. It doesn't happen to every car.
Yep, my 30 year old 626 has this issue, both right side doors have started to rust to shit ebacsue of the water drain holes being so high up that there is a lot of water just sitting at the bottom.
Door is aluminum. All doors have water pass through them. His one way valves are getting stuck
What positively surprises me is that Zack is a DIY person and does by himself many projects around his property even though I'm sure he could afford to pay someone else to do it for him. Kudos !
Wow those first 2 issues would be deal breakers for me on such an expensive purchase. Thanks for sharing!
I think the tailgate issue would be a deal breaker for me. The hinge on most trucks allows the dirt to fall onto the bumper which is easier to clean. Rivian just over complicated the design.
From the looks if it the design probably wouldn't take much of a change for this to be corrected. A modification to the shape of the bumper rails to guide the dirt down and not be a shelf for it, some plastic vertical guide routes for the dirt to chute down instead of going into oblivion and removable ports on the underside for the dirt to collect on/near.
I feel like a shop vac would easily suck out that dirt
I can't believe this was overlooked. So obvious
And the fact that the tailgate appears non removable. Good God, what were they thinking?
What happens when the dirt builds up on the battery? That is my concern.
Issue #1 would be a huge deal breaker for me. The corrosion that'll cause over time would worry me.
Also add some freezing/melting/freezing action into that and it's even worse.
I don’t think it would necessarily be a huge issue. A lot of doors that I have opened due to water ingress and blocked drainage holes had a coating to reduce noise which also stops water contact. Also the doors could be made from aluminium or an alloy which greatly reduces corrosion.
Its also an easy fix to let the water out. As he said water getting in your door is pretty normal on most cars.
Even if the water doesn't pose a big problem long term with the door being aluminum, the water sloshing would drive me CRAZY considering how much I paid for that vehicle. Very embarrassing.
How eco friendly
The first two remind me of the QC problems I consistently hear about Tesla. These seem like issues that a new car company would run into simply from lack of experience. Once again, I appreciate the honest take because if I could afford one, I would be doing similar tasks as demonstrated in this video. Cheers Jerry
His name is Zack...
@@PrecisionAcc Well don’t I look the fool. Lol
@@trackman07 Most people think his name is Jerry too, no worries. Since "jerry rig" is a saying for fixing things up. he just made that his CZcams name.
One of the best car video review. So fresh and real. Thank you.
Former quality engineer at two giant top 5 auto oems - the water ingress in the door is a massive issue, bigger than you think. One of the very few normal quality issues that you would consider as “A-rank” coming off the end of the line. Some are bound to slip through the cracks as only a certain percentage of vehicles can realistically be tested, but I’m surprised Rivian isn’t giving you better customer service here purely due to defect severity. You should push them about it.
Someone in the comments tried saying "every car will get water in the door thats why they have drain plugs" and I could not believe that is considered normal as none of my cars ever had that issue.
@@joel6513 Jerry himself said it's normal to get water in the door. What's not normal is the fact that it's not exiting the door. You probably get water in your door, but it drains so you don't get to the point where you hear sloshing.
@@joel6513 The problem isn't that the truck is allowing water into the door. The issue is the door isn't getting rid of said water. Water and Metal are notorious for getting along really well. So well that they mate and produce rusty babies. If allowed to flow out, that water isn't sticking around to knock up the metal structure. If left to hang out in the door, all bets are off and that door will need to be replaced far sooner than most car and truck doors.
@@chadmontgomery8155 why have none of my cars ever gotten water in their doors? Iv driven my fair share in tropical storms and heavy rainstorms in Houston
Its only water what could go wrong
The tailgate rock and dirt trapping issue is the kind of huge stuff you won’t hear more traditional auto journalist talk about because they probably would never actually use it like you do.
99% of people buying the truck will never have this issue, because malls don't have that much dirt.
Time to break out the shop vac!
I saw a vid about a guy from NC that had a dent in the rear quarter panel. A shop estimated $45,000 to fix it cuz of the construction would require nearly 1/3 of the truck to be disassembled, including the windshield!
Kudos on this video. Surprised I hadn't hear of these issues before.
The door, dust, and moisture observations are really important to share because you don't ever find out about it in a 1-day review. I really like the Rivian's capabilities, but it seems like a 2nd generation Rivian pickup would be the one to get, unless they redesign the hinges and door on the fly ...
I doubt they will even be around to make the necessary updates..
Sadly all these EV companies think that all issues can be resolved by OTA update. Unfortunately though, most design flaws are hardware issues which costs a lot to repair or even impossible to repair unless they redesign the hardware itself
handing out free game for Rivian. They are probably so thankful for you bringing these concerns to light. As a product designer some things you can never realize until they are put into practice and you are providing really good & detailed feedback
Indeed, Rivian should pay Zack for the troubleshooting.
I have to disagree. These are things that any company would find out on their own through environmental/reliability testing. Unless there's something wrong with his truck specifically, there's no reason this should've made it to production.
@@SingularityAdvent even I would be upset if they didn't compensate him and I got nothing to do with this lol
@@shivaargula4735 to be fair to them, rivian is a baby company with no experience, some testing methods are considered trade secrets.
@@Splarkszteryet they charge as though they have experience.
Thanks for your review. Nice golf cart. Keep it on the fairways and dirt will never be an issue; just the same as it never was an issue on the drawing board. I'll revisit in about 10 years.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I like seeing people use products in different ways in order to get a full assessment.
That dirt issue is just insane. That would drive me crazy.
and smell like horse ass even after a good wash!
Then don't be stupid and haul loose soil on your truck bed 🤷🏻♂️
That is not what they are made for!
The engineers are urban dwellers, how else could they miss a flaw like this. I often cart hay so I would probably grow a paddock, not just 1 plant.
The REAL question is how do you clean tha area? The next stop for the dirt is the battery, how well are the termanils insulated? It would drive me nuts too.
Honestly the water in the door is the most concerning part for me. Hope it doesn’t just rust from the inside out
The solution is quite simple though, just drill a few small holes like you saw on the other cars.
Door is aluminum. If the valve is stuck or clogged you just reach something long and thin, say a metal coat hanger to unclog it. My F150 used to do this
I didn't know that water could get inside the doors. What happens to the speakers inside the doors? Do they normally get wet?
@@RhamonGByes they get moisture on it. But it's not a problem.
@@RhamonGBThrough the small space between the window and the rubber thing can get some water. I don't think there is any other way. But all cars have this thing.
Thank you for the video and the info
It would have been nice to also hear you state the 3 things that you liked/loved about the truck and how the recharging and charge holds up
I am planning to get the SUV but you change my mind. Well, it’s a new company and there is a lot to learn and improve. So, it’s not a right time to buy. For meanwhile, I’ll just enjoy my 4Runner. Thanks a lot for the video. It’s appreciated.
That dirt accumulation is a massive oversight, and frankly I have no idea how they let that big of an issue through. Seems like something that should show up on day 1 of testing. I wonder if you can't just vacuum it out though? Maybe try and find some sort of flexible hose attachment and suck it right up.
Tape a piece of pex water line to the vacuum hose. Flexible but rigid enough to not collapse.
There aren't a ton of people using electric trucks for farm stuff. That day will come. But for now, the average Joe could indeed vacuum out the nooks and cranies after a dirty load and start with tarping the bed before hauling dirt.
@@nathantoews152all things that are completely unnecessary in a real truck...
Thinking the same thing, shop vac with a crevice tool might get some of that up, still crazy the hinges aren't better sealed, trucks have had tailgates for 100 years, strange oversight.
@foodhatesme absolutely agree. Which is why I drive a real truck. All I'm saying is people are buying a first Gen basically prototype. There's going to be some flaws. And the average guy isn't going to abuse it this hard on the daily, so some compromises need to be made. Preventative maintenance is better than maintenance.
Awesome seeing a truck owner use a truck as it’s intended. I’m not a Rivian fan, but it’s obvious to see it’s a solid vehicle despite its few drawbacks. Would love to see an update at 20K miles.
Ya, 10K is practically NOTHING. I wouldn't put my money on this being durable and trouble-free long-term.
It's only 10k miles
This is in no way a solid vehicle - that thing in 5 years time is gonna be ruined.
You know this how? It's certainly possible, but nothing in this video suggested a 5 year life time.
@@slicedtoad so 4
The truck beefing with the tape measure is what made me laugh I don't know why but for some reason I found that hilarious
Love the honesty!! I'm 27 and have a drywall business........ Thinking about getting a Rivian!
The thing that concerns me most about the dirt getting under the bed is that it shows how little hauling experience the Rivian engineers must have. From years of hauling dirt, I know from experience how the F-150 drops the dirt near the back of the bed out onto the bumper - which isn’t great but is much better than having it inside the rear of the truck.
It makes me think that they didn't even put any loose material in the bed during R&D. Wild.
as an engineer, i can say we can predict all the things that would happen to the product. as from my point of view, as we know, we live in a fast moving world. time to develop things are pretty short and most things today are run and tested trought the simulations. not so much on real world testing. also, not so much of testing the various situations like this one. thats why you always wait to buy second generation of every product
My experience in engineering has been that we know of 10,000 things wrong with the product, and have a finite amount of time to solve known issues before release.
The magic step (or whatever Ford calls it) has caused permanent levels of dirt in my tailgate. No matter how much water I've ran through or panels I've pulled off and vacuumed you can still hear the dirt and rocks sliding around in my tailgate.
Consider also, the vast majority of pick-up drivers would never put anything more than a bookcase (on a blanket so it doesnt scratch the rhino-lining) in their trucks. Also, one this pretty will almost never see field work. They were clearly designing for the larger market of the typical pick-up owner, rather than designing a work-truck.
I think this video is gold for the Rivian manufacturing team to improve on their design. It’s an awesome truck. Just needs a couple quirks ironed out.
Easy to fix the door, the phone charger is mostly a well stop doing that, the dirt ingress is a more difficult issue to resolve.
Neither of these are safety issues so a recall won’t be necessary, but they will need to address on future trucks.
@@phxees, Yeah I agree. At the very least they need a hatch that makes it easy to access the undercarriage. Even better, they should just solve the problem of the dirt getting in but idk how that'd work with the way their tailgate is designed. In any case, the contact charging issue is more a problem with the technology, not a problem with the truck itself. That was a weird one for him to point out since it's not like contact charging "knows" your phone is there. It's just always running a current and that current will run through parallel coils no matter what.
LOL....everything built prior to the mid 90s trapped dirt in the rockers and rotted if moisture was present. It took decades for auto manufacturers to improve that and other corrosion issues. All these problems can be corrected, if they do then good for them.
...and a 30k drop in price.
Nice vid, Jerry!
Great video! You are a vanguard Rivian owner who does not baby his Rivian truck, but instead subjects it to the acid test of hard use over time. Though make sure that your hard use does not cross the line into abuse. And you should mention that you do follow all the "heavy duty" maintenance requirements prescribed in the owner's manual. Nevertheless, it certainly seems that those 3 quirks need to be addressed. And the fact that you would still have bought your Rivian if you had it to do over again helps explain why I have been noticing more Rivians showing up in my neck of the woods recently.
Seeing a futuristic truck covered in dirt is a sight to behold
It’s being used exactly as intended!!! That’s the beauty
@@user-um9sl1kj6u this I can agree
Futuristic? It's here. Now and looks ugly af
I feel like my main issue would be the dirt ending up underneath the vehicle and not being able to access it. Just seems absolutely ridiculous and needs to be fixed yesterday
I love the little plant just doing it's thing by the tail gate.
Thanks for the warning on the mulch bucket! I will avoid using a tarp. I will also inspect my door drains.
I have a buddy who has the same issues with rocks and soil, I recommended he design a 3d printed cover for those spots in the truck area. Would be cool to see you create one too
First EV owner I've personally heard talk about how "green" they really are off the lot. 30k miles sounds about right after factoring in manufacturing emissions and how clean these newer trucks run.
Battery can't be recycled and he'll have to change the battery every 100,000 miles. Plus there isn't enough Colbalt and lithium in the world to replace gas vehicles.
@@jeffbailey7328where do you get this nonsense? Battery can be recycled. EV batteries already are getting recycled. You don’t need to replace ever 100k miles. Lithium is abundant, and ev batteries can be made without cobalt… unlike gas cars which require cobalt for refining gasoline.
@@sandpinelithium battery recycling is still in the prototype stages. It's hardly worth doing anyway because there is a large energy investment in breaking them down to their base components and then collecting the useful materials. States like California are imposing lithium taxes to cover the hazardous storage and disposal of these battery packs. Unfortunately disposal (like most recycling in the USA) means they load these battery packs in a container ship and give them to a 3rd world country which we then pay for them to be dumped in one of their landfills.
@@Michael-1337 tesla recycles batteries in Nevada and Ford signed a deal with redwood materials, also in Nevada to recycle their ev batteries.
You can’t use a vehicle more and improve its effect on the environment.
Regarding issue #3: If something is placed or inadvertently left on copper coils for extended period of time, will it drain vehicle power?
Thanks for the honest review. Does not seem bias at all. I’m thinking of one as soon as they configure it with the NACS and Tesla opens up more chargers to non Tesla. If anything give preference to people that already own a Tesla.
I will type this while I remember - thank you for working out the environmental "break even point" for this compared to a gas vehicle. It's almost an obvious thing to consider but personally I think it's something that's important to make clear. You've done more than anyone to sell me on electric vehicles due to your honesty and taking the time to work these things out.
it's also important to remember that EVs are only meant to save the car industry, not the environment.
@@coler154 It is unsustainable to dig up CO2 which has been trapped for millions of years and dump it into the atmosphere. EVs are not a magic, but they are likely part of the larger solution which addresses that issue.
Yep and the 3k lb battery is gonna be completely recycled/and the 3k lb car you hit in your 8k lb pickup just lost the entire family sitting inside cause of the batteries weight
@@TimCortesi Wrong. EVs require lbs of Rare Earth minerals for the motors. You have to shovel acid into the Earth to liquify the ground to extract them. All of this is done in Mynamar bc China has outlawed said mining.
@@TimCortesi Where do you think most of the power that goes into the battery comes from? Pretty poor argument in support of EVs
Rad to see you handling a truck like a truck!!! Got my new Silverado stuck in 3’ of mud first month of owning it. Gotta’ get out there! 🤘🔥
I am curious, would you still have the problem with dirty accumulating if you did not have the added shield on the undercarriage? Would it simply fall through without it? I am more interested in the R1S, since I need a 3rd Row but I am still curious. The Rivian still seems like the more superior vehicle, having driven both myself. It is the price that is the main issue for me right now. 😅
More than likely not. The undercarriage protection package is just skid plates that bolt up in certain areas whereas the dirt is straight up inside the sealed part of the bed, the only way he can remove it is to remove the spare tire and the compartment surround and vaccum it out
Both issues 1 and 2 are major deal breakers. I feel like those will cause big issues in the future
Issue one is very common but a simple fix
Two is unforgivable in 2023
If you think those are “major” problems then you need to rethink things. Water in the door takes 1 minute to fix…1/4 drill bit and a drill..done. The other one can be vacuumed out with a shop vac. Now the charging one is a major issue lol
Crazy to think the guy with the truck didn’t think of how easy it was to vacuum out..
Yeah definitely a major design flaw
@@b_collins7846that’s if you know it’s occurring. The average consumer is going to ignore the issue and it will turn into replacing the door due to it rusting from the inside out
So you want ppl that buy cars over 100k to vacuum the rocks with a shop vac because of a design failure@@b_collins7846
2023 Zach and Cambry Garden update video featuring tomato’s grown exclusively inside a Rivian bed.
Yes, the water and soil issues would keep me away. Both are prime incubators for rust.
Great video. I had a Rivian R1T for about a year, and what I hated the most was the seat design. I found the back of the seat fine, but the seat cushion had some weird bolstering where it should have been just flat. I also found the tension on the accelerator pedal way too stiff, not refined like other vehicles. However, for the most part, I enjoyed the vehicle. I did a ton of off-roading in Idaho. The air suspension is the best I have ever experienced.
The main thing I hate about my Rivian is the service center experience. They kept my truck for 3 weeks to fix cameras that stopped working and adjust door fitment. They gave it back covered in cement dust from a neighboring construction site. The loaner vehicle was a rental from enterprise, that when I went to pickup, had no vehicles for 3 days even though Rivian had months to prepare for my visit they gave enterprise an hour. Through the Rivian app I could see the truck just sat out in the sun baking (interior temps and location), they only had it in the building 3 days out of 3 weeks, and drove it 15 miles which did not seem required for the service being done. Now there is a highspeed steering wobble that didn't exist when I brought it in. And what kind of service department gives a vehicle back covered in dust and dirt inside and out. Rivian has a lot to learn about customer service.
those first two issues are pretty massive dealbreakers for me, and ive never seen anyone else mention them
“I never thought my truck would get into a fight with my tools” 😂 genius statement that made me LOL
Wow. Thanks for letting us know about these weird issues. But how is the range when you are off-road and climbing mountains?
The third one is the biggest problem for me. I hate it when my wireless charger starts to electrocute my tape measure 😂
Number 2 would be a deal breaker for me. Hauling hay gets messy, imagine alfalfa growing in the undercarriage 😮
@@isaackvasager9957 An issue all Rivians seem to have is the spare tire placement. How do you access the tire with a load in the bed?
I don't understand why you would put gravel or dirt just straight into a Rivian's bed. It's not an industrial vehicle. It doesn't even pretend to be one. And people working with dirt professionally, put it in construction waste debris bags or some type of holder. Or just an actual worker's truck, not a life style vehicle like a Rivian. Just the fact that stones fall off and damage other cars while driving.
@@caleidoo It's a truck, it's supposed to do truck things.
It’s a piece of electric crap.
@@isaackvasager9957 So because I prefer the right tools for the job, I have no work experience? That's some really wacky logic you're playing with.
The video itself proves the car is not the right tool. Did you just ignore that part? Everyone in the comments is pointing out how bad the accumulation in the back is. But you... like it?
Move to the Pacific NW if you want more organisms growing in your vehicles. Up here we get growth without adding nutrients.
Thanks for discovering the need of a temp liner if loading dirt, manure, mulch, etc. into the bed! Good discovery of a design flaw.
As for the water in the door, certainly you have a drill? On the serious side, where do you think the water is entering?
With regards to the water in your left door, what's happening when you open and then close the window. Is it wet afterwards?
Great review
I like how Zac CASUALLY mentions "oh we shipped a truckload of JerryRig knives to Linus" 😂😂
easier than trucking a shipload of knives :p
How else would one say it besides casually?
@@freighter1097 some CZcamsrs would make a video out of it
timestamp ?
@@KevwePatani They'd still casually say it though.
It's only been one year. That moisture and dirt in the undercarriage and the door could turn out to be a HUGE problem. I can't afford it anyway but I'd pass on the rivian.
Hey no car manufacturers, especially on the release of a new product makes a perfect product. Give it a while for them to work out the kinks and they might have a good product.
Some people already bought it. If they recall them and give them a refund or new truck, then that would work.
@@PigeonHoot and here we are, 120 years later and Ford still cant produce a reliable Car. Something something US-Cars
@@Jerklolschannel and i can confirm the first model cars they made aren't in production. And they have improved some aspects of their products with time. If you just want to whine go grab a wine bottle and cry about it.
@@leetjohnson That dirt collecting spot could lead to a whole lot of corrosion, definitely a major concern
Fun video man, they dont even sell em over here but u made me watch this for 10 min. : D
Great review. Thanks
The deal breaker for me is the location of the spare tire, not that the compartment itself collects moisture. Having to unload the truck to get to the spare is at least inconvenient, or possibly outright impossible depending on your load.
Yes the dirt an water collecting could lead to big issues in the future. But honestly both seem like a very easy thing to fix design wise.
he can just use a vacuum to clean the dirt up
@@pudgypenguin4614 he shouldn't have to.
@@pudgypenguin4614It would have to be a thin long neck vacuum.
They need to fix those spots to block the dirt ingress ASAP.
@@boneman1982 But you can't block dirt and soil ingress if you're using your truck to hall dirt and soil. A better solution would be to create baffles to protect most of the internals and infrastructure while leaving the bottom open for the dirt and soil to fall through the truck. After all, that's how most trucks are designed.
@@jackielinde7568they could seal off under the hinges then it would be easy to clean out or only so much could be down there
The lower panel under the bed has about 8 screws holding it in place, it's worthwhile dropping that out and cleaning it every do often. There was a lawn growing down there and load of soil.
Also looking at the water ingress, the amount of rust already forming behind all the plastics is alarming.
Here in the UK the imported car gets zero support from rivian and we're on our own as things go wrong...
We've already reverse engineered the CAN bus and working on the diagnostics including manufacturing new rear light PCBs to add amber indicators 😊
I've done the same with my tape measure.
Cool trucks, acceleration is crazy. I don't like the rock crawler nice speed limit not lowering the car automatically when it's clear you want to go faster and left it in that mode...
Alex on Autos mentioned that Rivan has a massive battery drain when vehicle is not in use effectively loosing around 2.8 kilowatts of energy every day (27% of total battery change over 13 days); the gear guard (video recording of surrounding) was off when the drain was happening. As we know, all batteries loose charge overtime, plus there are still some things which may be running on the background, but this seams to be an extreme number, and in the same video Ford Lightening lost about 0.18 kilowatts per day (~2killowats over 13 days).
So, according to that video, Rivian R1T was draining about 1 megawatt per year without anything running actively, which seams a bit extreme. Have you experienced anything similar? I'm just curious if only his test model had that issue, or if it's a common issue with the Rivian brand.
Well said!!!!
Appreciate you mentioning the full context on when the truck becomes environmentally break even. Almost no one is aware of that
Off topic but I love the fact that his gear is reasonably priced. Gonna get a T and a Razor Knife. Thanks Jerry!
Lol, my son thought electrocuting the tape measure was hilarious. Thanks for the 1year review of the RT1.
As for doors, water ingress is 100% normal, doors are wet zones, that's why they have drainage holes/systems. The reason higher end vehicles have one way valves is for air leakage to quiet down the entire vehicle. The outer waist belt is not designed to keep water out, the flock is designed to prevent scratching/clean/guide the glass system. Fun note the outside outer belts are higher than the inside outer belts and you can see water com into the door along the entire part when raining. On most vehicles you won't see this as the inner and outer belts are at the same height.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the wind noise, door closing efforts(as you did in previous videos) slow windows in this video.
You didn't mention the herb garden.
My biggest reservations about the R1T, from the first time i saw videos of it, was the tonneau cover and the extended tailgate. I always imagined there would be some issues with snow and ice where I live, the truck bed really didn't need reinventing.
That being said, if it ever goes on sale in Europe I would probably buy one anyway :D
Hey Jerry, thanks for the review. Did you take into account the cost to humans and nature in the actual mining and disposal of the lithium and colbalt?
The dirt bed issue is real and even a mat may not help. The compartment should be sealed and Rivian fixed it for me. As for the water ingress, I just removed the rubber stoppers and fixed the issue. All very valid concerns. Great content!
Interesting defects in this truck. Hopefully by the time a few years rolls around and I can think about affording one, they will fix these bugs. To me the water in the door issue and the charging tape measure are not deal breakers. But I'd have to seriously consider the problem of dirt and rocks aggregating in the underbody, that might be a non-starter.
Love the video, delivered with a great sense of humour!
Add a flexible plastic cover and the problem is fixed, if these are the main problems with a brand-new car manufacturer then these cars when prices drop are going to outsell any other. Damn, i would be surprised if after seeing this review Rivian had not updated software to fix the charging issue and put some type of cover over the gap in the bed.
The water in the door issue is nothing, simply removing the plug would fix it, clean out the mud accumulated, and the problem will never happen again as the water getting in there and sloshing around would move any dirt from the hole over time, just like any other car.
As a manufacturer of small numbers of these truck, Rivian can easily fix the one real problem of dirt accumulating under the gap in the bed and do a recall or wait for service time to fix the only real problem of dirt accumulation, advice to customers and a software update will fix the other issues no service personnel needed.
Curious about the 25,000 miles break even point. What equivalent IC engine truck mpgs was used? 13? With exotic metals from 27 different countries going into the EV, all mined and shipped using diesel, I was expecting 100k miles to break even point
I like the suv from rivian.. for a truck.. I went a different route. I restored a Chevy K30 dually with the Detroit diesel she was a fire truck, now she is my forever truck.. old, no computer .. Not powerful but fuel efficient.. and since it was low miles giving life back to this girl keeps my environmental footprint low. I'll keep her running for the next 15 years or so.. by than technology and design will be amazing.
Thanks for the ongoing reviews! Far to often people review something after owning it for a day and all they do is rave about it but they never come back to update later on with their ongoing experience. It's really appreciated.
As for the issues you mentioned, number 2 would definitely be a deal breaker for us. We also have an acreage with horses and haul dirt and manure in the bed of our truck so having the undercarriage slowly fill up would be a no-go. I'd look at the F-150 Lightning instead.
Though I guess with that plant in there your rivian is greener than a Lightning 😂
that's just part of being a youtuber, not just a reviewer: about every part of his life is on youtube so when he's been having a thought for longer than an hour or so it becomes content
For the water build up in the door, I'm surprised there hasn't been a manufacturer correction yet. Granted, it could be more complex than I'm assuming. The dirt and rocks seem like another one of those, we can rig up a ramp underneath to spit in out. As for the coil charging, I'm pretty sure there are protection circuits that detect when it's not charging a phone. However it could just be a fact of physics that you can't dance around. Once I'm in the market for an electric truck, Rivian is still at the top of my list. Just wish that all vehicle makers would stop with the tablet console and bring back analog buttons and knobs.
Re the analog buttons and knobs, YES. Are we supposed to stop every time we want to adjust the aircon or change channel on the radio?
Just get a cybertruck when it comes out
@@ultramasterultra5724so what you are saying is never get a truck 😂
@@LC-sc3en it should come out soon
@@ultramasterultra5724 I am pressing "d" to doubt. That vehicle has been delayed for another year 3 times due to major issues with the power train, sealing, braking, and structural issues. Given the ... over optimistic timelines the company is known for....It wouldnt surprise me if cyber truck arrives around the same time "auto pilot" archives level 5 in autonomous driving.
I like this fair and balanced video!
Issue #3 is nothing but the first 2 are pretty big issues. Depending on what size wheels are on it I will give you the 4th thing you will hate about it and that is what the tires will cost when replacement is needed.
I think the biggest thing I would hate about it though is the price tag on it.
You being a DIY guy, I’d think you could fix #1 easily with a drill bit. I know it’s a matter of principle you shouldn’t have to, but still…. #2 is a head scratcher and you’re probably stuck with it. Do they make really powerful vaccine cleaners that fit in there?
Loved the video and the update. It would be interesting to see if other Rivian owners are having the same issues with water in the door and if so how it is affecting the vehicle. I live in the north so I would get the freezing weather. I wonder why Rivian has not replaced the door for you under some kind of of defect/warranty. The hinges could be solved with some rubber booty to cover the open space or maybe some access panels underneath that you could open and get rid of the dirt. I will most likely wait till the changer over to the Tesla charging system and hopefully by then this quality control issues will be fixed. Keep us the great videos.
"like the exhaust port on the deathstar" Love it!
Thanks for the heads up now if I can get the money I will correct those problems you alerted me to
This is a great video. Hopefully Rivian fixes these issues for you because it can cause other issues in the future (the first two anyway). It seems like design flaws which should be easily fixable.
The first two issues are deal breakers if you pan on keeping the vehicle for a long time, in this case 5+ years normally I would say 10+ years. The the third issue is more funny than a problem for me. Cool idea to take the truck on that climb as part of the review to show sone of the fun side.
The plant growing inside the back of the truck is a rather pale green. It could use more light. Rivian could install a handy LED bulb in that location. But then, the unwanted moisture will eventually corrode or short out the light.
Great video sir. Looking forward to getting my R1T soon. Will be careful not to get rocks & 💩 in the undercarriage.😅
That tail gate kills me with the dirt also! Don't have the door issue in mines. My cover still works great with a few hick ups here and there. They replaced my full battery pack at 3500 miles. Took them 4 days to do it. I'm happy with my rivian. By far fav
I love that you calculated the amount of time it takes for your vehicle to actually become 'green', based on the materials mined that are needed and the fossil fuel based electricity used to charge it. So many people buy them and just assume the vehilces are immediately green. Looks like overall the truck has held up pretty good to all your shaningans! :) I appreciate your honest reviews.
The industry fudges those numbers so badly it's criminal. Most of the mining comes from 3rd world countries and there is little if any compliance to emissions standards there. They base all their numbers as if it was done here on modern equipment under optimal conditions. They also completely fake the end of life cycle for these batteries. The vast majority of lithium batteries never get recycled. They end up back in a 3rd world country in a landfill where we can't see them.
he failed to account for depreciation ... hes not gaining anything long term. once out of warranty that Truck is going to cost him an arm and a leg to get fixed due to only being able to be serviced by the actual dealer.
@@renaissanceman5847 hopefully as EVs become more and more common the more shops will be able to service them. You make an excellent point though.
It's already green. It's growing a plant on the inside to take CO2 out of the air already! :)
@@matthewfe6671 all that water in the frame should make for a nice green corrosion too.