Chevy Silverado EV vs Ford F-150 Lightning vs the World's Toughest Towing Test!
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
1:20 Chevy Silverado EV Range Test (Part 1)
2:07 Ford F-150 Lightning Downhill Test
4:18 What We're Towing
5:07 Ford F-150 Lightning Downhill (contd.)
8:25 Chevy Silverado EV Downhill Test
14:09 Ford F-150 Lightning Uphill Test
20:44 Chevy Silverado EV Uphill Test
29:00 Verdict
33:09 Chevy Silverado EV Range Test (Part 2) - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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Thanks for the test. The extra regen makes sense to me due to the weight, but I was definitely surprised by the Silverado EV's overall efficiency compared to the Lightning. One thing that I think should have given the Silverado an additional notch in the final ratings is the charging speed. Even with 200+ miles range while towing, you're going to need to charge over long distances, and the fact that the Silverado will need to charge less often but at a faster speed than the Lightning is a huge advantage.
Those are good points about the Silverado
Yep, that charging speed is a big deal, will be bigger when more 350 kW chargers are available.
@@JamesMcLaren1000 Definitely, which is already happening. One of the big issues with Electrify America and even the Tesla Magic Dock is that they are mostly capped at 350 A (essentially 150 kW chargers), so Silverado EV owners will want to prioritize the EVgo 350 kW (with 500 A current) sites. In particular, they will want to look for the new Pilot/Flying locations with pull-through chargers. Walter over at The Network Architect Channel has been doing a great job keeping us updated on the EVgo-Pilot build out and progress.
@@newscoulomb3705 Electricify America has 350 kW chargers in many locations.
@@jghall00 A majority of EA's chargers are only 150 kW, many are derated and unable to provide full power, and many of their chargers that are labeled as 350 kW are actually "Balanced" chargers that are splitting 350 kW between two stalls.
I won't buy anything with subscription based features.
It's like financing something you already own. Makes no sense.
Agreed
Sadly they are all heading that way.
Like a phone?
@@Tango-Mike-Bravolike property taxes
Let’s just all recognize that these vehicles are both 80…thousand…dollars.
Our economy is F’d up.
I observe that dino juice is $5+ a gal and add DEF to the operating cost and the profit margin at the job site is less and less. The (3)WT operating cost just takes the daily sting out a bit. That is what I recognize.
They are both govt subsidized pieces of shit, are you surprised? The Chevy is also the non-publically available "Work Trim," model as well lol
@@kelviskelvis7140. I recognize the anxiety , range and depreciation . 😎
@@kelviskelvis7140 zero resale value.
@@kelviskelvis7140despite the old popular belief, it isn't dino juice. Oil is a naturally produced product from earth. People can buy a 10 year old truck and still drive it another 200k miles getting almost the same mpg it did when new. A 10 year old EV will probably get half it's range, if that.
The Silverado also has a significantly higher charge rate than the F-150. That plus rear wheel steering has us leaning towards the Silverado, though we like some features of the Lightning more.
Does the WT4 have RW-steer?
@@guentherwilke2055 No
Too bad viewers have to hunt for clues about how far Andre actually drove: 1:36 (Starting ODO reading is 2592) 33:20 "It's about 58 miles from where we ended up after the Ike" 33:41 "So I used three percent of my battery to go 58 miles... 33:31 "it was all downhill." range is no issue..." 33:39 "30%" charge remaining (Ending ODO reading is 2796 = total miles travelled 204). If all this is correct, the Silverado EV hooked to a 9,000-lb. trailer went 146 miles up & "down hills" (including the 8 mile Ike Gauntlet), then 58 miles all downhill (using only 3%).
Thank you Andre, Mr. Truck, and Tobby. Another excellent TFL video!
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It’s still crazy to me that the Chevy WT is 80k. That’s insane
Pretty much because they can, at this point at least. They see what dealerships are selling EV trucks for and want a piece of that action themselves!
What's more insane is up north here in Canada, we could buy 2 house's in Saskatchewan and a good used work truck for the same price. With the conversion in CDN and US dollars that's about 110 - 130k for those trucks. Lol That's what's most insane. Lmao
@@brentcornish6107 crazy houses are still cheap up there most places in bc are 380k and up for shit boxes
@@lesstevens2370 ya I live in northern BC now and prices for a rinky dink 2 bedroom under 1000 square ft is 200+k. Lol and those trucks go for over 100k here. Lol
@brentcornish6107 yea I think there only for the 10% which are all millionaires in the states because no average Joe could never afford that
I definitely like the guage cluster better in the Ford. The GM looks like they just slapped a computer screen above the steering wheel.
ideally they would have been the same trim levels
Who cares?
At 8500 lbs the Silverado is going to go through tires like nothing else.
And those tires are made with oil and equipment that most likely gets it’s electricity from a fossil fuel.
@@str-lrd3863 you’re gonna trigger all the ev fanbois
Ha ha and I'm laughing while you're waiting at the service centers getting oil, filters, fixing this, fixing that ... anyhow as they said it weighs as much as a HD Diesel - so tire wear is a new problem?
@@Gnosticware And they're laughing while you're waiting at the charging station for an hour+ while they're on the road continuing their trip. And as if EV trucks still won't have their own drive train, brakes, and suspension maintenance and repairs to do? 😏
@@GnosticwareI'm laughing because you will never have the money to buy a truck like this.
Awesome review!
However, I think a better and fairer comparison should have been between the Ford Lightning Pro ( Ford’s EV work truck ) AND the Chevy’s Silverado EV work truck!
Does the Ford Lightning Pro show the SAME info as its older and more expensive sister?
Needing to open the door to see your battery percentage is something I would have expected from Ford. Get it together GM
Appreciate seeing this comparison, thanks!
Not a good comparison. Low end Chevy model against high end Ford model. And the Chevy match the Ford on pretty much everything, and beat it on the most important thing, RANGE!
Percentage of battery is not the best way to measure efficiency, they are typically not linear just like a gas fuel gauge is not linear. The actual efficiency measured by the trucks should have been used, what was the mi/kwh for each??
EV's are like the giant projection TV's at this point. Eventually, they will get to led flat screen technology.
I don't think that's a valid analogy. They are more like 1080p TVs that will eventually be replaced by 4k TVs. Still better than the CRT TVs that are internal combustion and the Plasma TVs that are hybrids.
And actually be affordable (well relatively), I remember when I saw my first flat panel TV at Best Buy and it cost $10k, in 2001 money!
EV's are like the $1500 42" LED I bough back in 2008, they will eventually get to the 75" I bought for $600 2 decades later
I think they're more like laserdisc or betamax 😂 the infrastructure and range are problems today. People live in apartment complexes and section 8 houses with 50-100a service. Putting 2-3 EV in the driveway will kill the infrastructure and/or leave cars uncharged. Hydrogen or ammonia can replace gas, but there's a lot to consider there too. This comments section is a whole bunch of NIMBY fanbois.
@@newscoulomb3705 The thing is they aren't better than ice so that doesn't work either. They are an interesting alternative that have some advantages and drawbacks. They need to stay as alternatives until they improve a ton. This isn't like going from horse to ice there are a ton of limitations to ev that need to be fixed before they are truly better or really on par in all applications. Battery and infrastructure are two of the big aspects that need a lot of improvement.
I agree with Mr. Truck about hybrids. This is a interesting comparison. Thank you and be safe.
Thank you for watching.
Thanks
PHEVs , instead of hybrids for trucks IMHO. 2 motors EV and gas , with a small battery that allows you to go 100miles only on EV
More than likely Hydrogen Combustion will be the future vs Hybrid or BEV.
@@sanisidrocrMost people mean plug in hybrid when they say hybrid these days.
Who dafuq is buying an 80k "work truck" to beat on? That's firmly in a luxury vehicle price range.
Tradesman and business owners that want and truck and can deduct it off on their tax taxes.
@@jghall00 They would go for the higher trim ICE trucks with more options then. This is a "work truck" without all the options with luxury truck pricing.
@@sugonmaballs Not necessarily. Some of them actually use their trucks for truck stuff and get them dirty. There's a RST option coming, as well as cheaper WT trims. GM is trying to cover all the bases. This trim can work for fleets and trades that move equipment around town. For most purchasers, this won't be their only vehicle anyway.
@@jghall00 Yeah, pretty sure almost all of them will still opt for a 40-50k " work truck with similar options to this still. Same for fleet vehicles. I see this for an extremely niche market right now. For most purchasers, price dictates purchase over anything else, and the 30k EV premium here absolutely won't come close making financial sense (in energy cost savings) to the first owner for its lifetime.
@@sugonmaballsWe spend about $300 per week in fuel per truck. The EV trucks would very quickly pay for the price difference in fuel savings.
They will be good in 5-10 years from now
That's what they said 15 years ago.😂
@@patmason7276What EV truck existed 15 years ago?
@@patmason7276no one said that 15 years ago. EVs weren’t really on any of the public’s mind at that time. We’ve actually come quite far in just that timeframe.
Which means this will have insanely low resale value in 5 or 10 years (if that ginormous battery makes it that long)
EVs are not new. They've been around for much longer. Do your research.
Too bad Chevy didn't just make a EV version of the Silverado truck instead of a EV Avalanche.
No kidding. The Avalanche is hideous, and the Silverado looks 👌
If they did that they would end up with crap range like with the Lightning. If you don't like the look the Sierra EV looks more conventional.
@bahamatodd no it doesn't it's still a glorified Avalanche unibody design. A real work truck has a separate box and is on a full frame. And there is no reason they couldn't have the same range in a conventional truck style configuration. But each to their own.
@@bahamatoddthe extra range is just from the larger battery.
I think both trucks are ugly compared to their ice counterparts.
You guys did a better job this time with this. THANKS!
Super cool, well done. I'm really excited for an AWD Cybertruck vs the Silverado EV WT. I think that's the big test now.
Great video, team. Just ran the numbers on regen. The tunnel is at 11,158ft (3401m), and Silverthorne is at 9,035ft (2754m), so the elevation gain is 647m. Andre showed the Silverado combined weight at 17,620lbs plus say 400 for the two guys is 8191kg. Potential energy is = mgh or 8191x9.81x647=52Mj / 3600 = 14441 Wh or 14.4 kWh. Now, on the way up the hill, the Silverado used 23.3 kWh. Of that, 14.4 was the elevation gain, which leaves 8.9 kWh as the drag amount (wind + tires + mechanical losses). So on the way down the hill, the best possible regen would be 14.4-8.9=5.5kWh which is oddly less than the trucks reported. Were they going a lot slower than 60mph on the downhill?
Maybe the discrepancy comes from losses due to internal resistance of the batteries. The 8.9kWh likely included a significant amount of that. In other words, a 1kWh battery might only offer .7kWh at higher loads.
@@andrewalaska perhaps. On the way up the hill, the 23.3 kWh over 8 minutes is an average load of 175 kW or 234 HP. So no question that the drivetrain and batteries were loaded. What would be useful is to know what the flat towing load is with that same trailer.
Pretty sure they indicated that they were going 60 on the way down. Regen would potentially be more efficient at a slower speed, where the batteries can absorb the power-slower.
Quick net-usage shows the Ford using 16kWh for the 16mi test, the GM 14kWh, though the margin of error could probably wash the difference (or it could be greater). This ~1mi/kWh net usage for mountain pull is right in line with flat highway tow. Electric or gas, big towing tends to suck close to 2x the unloaded juice.
You forgot to account heat looses.
At this big of a load, the inverters and motors defently needs to be cooled down compared to going downhill.
@@ProbeGT2 Ya, that could be. I wonder what the heat rejection capacity of the cooling system is?
Its funny that the hitch on the silverado ev pops, its almost as if trucks have been body on frame with a separate bed for over a century for a reason. You'd think they'd have more of their truck division involved with the development of the silverado ev and less of their tech division
GM is using the unibody Ultium platform for everything, obviously it's a compromise on a truck.
I want to give a shout-out. These are The Best videos on this channel. Think of them as the cash cows. And for good reason. Andre and Mr truck are truck enthusiasts through and through but from a older perspective and from a newer perspective. This makes them credible to both young(ish) and old. Andre with his progrematic approach to all things and Mr truck bringing his practical experience. I always feel like I'm watching to buds talking trucks. That's the difference compared to other people on the channel. They feel like car salesmen always talking past each other. These guys are compadres. Cheers
love the personality. keep on truckin'
Folks should get in the right lane when you're not passing anyone....which was most of the time, in this vid. Especially so, when trailer towing. Reduces the "log jam" in the road, for everyone else. And pretty sure left lane w/trailers is a no-no.👍 Otherwise, Fantastic test! Loved learning about how both trucks did. Thanks for running the test!
Generally I agree, but there are semis going 10mph in the right lane all the time on that stretch
@@scottleggejr Yep. Yep. True. It's not unlike Parley's Canyon here in UT, but that's when you simply...change lanes. And if you look in the vid...there are pretty substantial periods of time where the TFS guys were in the middle lane, cars backing up behind them, trying to filter by on their left....nothing on their right. Log jam. That was what actually drew my attention to their practice; the length of time(s) that passed where that was happening. It was disappointing to see "pro" drivers doing that on video...and banging the 3rd/left lane w/a trailer, to boot. :(
Inter-mountain states have a "NO TOWING " In left lane and it now comes with a big $$$$ fine
@@Realitygetreal no they don't. I live in Arizona and drive all over Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. The left lane restrictions are for tractor trailers or gvrw only.
No. It's all trailers. No trailers in the left lane. Are you one of "them", parked in the left lane w/a trailer? Don't be 👍 @@scottleggejr
Love you Ike test. One question, why does every review start at the top? You're based on the front range, so you have to go up before coming back to base?
@james… It was strange for me too at first but I think they have a place to park or stop at the top and not on the bottom. On the top they can switch vehicles etc.
Denver is on the east side of the pass, so is the parking lot. The “ike gauntlet” is climbing up the west side of the pass heading back towards Denver.
In California many roads are posted "Trucks over 3 tons prohibited" making both of the trucks illegal to drive
There are cars that weigh that much.
That’s aiming at industrial trucks as they are much much bigger. These trucks would be exempt from that post.
Great video. My decision to purchase a 2023 F250 Diesel HO was absolutely the right call! No EV ever for me.
The electric Silverado's interior looks like it was snapped together by playskool. I know it's a base model, but that interior looks like something from a base model Silverado from the early 2000s is in excusable considering that's it the same price as the higher level trim Ford Lightning. The Lightning is overall the better truck it seems to me, it's just lacks the battery capacity of the EV Silverado which will be remedied in time.
Still that Chevy even as base trim it still has more features than what most ice pick-up on roads have and in full use even towing still do not emit any
dark clouds of smogs, unburn fumes or different mix of choaking gasses to pollute environment so yea a win win..
@poplaurentiu4148 how do you think those batteries are made?
lol playskool. Damn.
@@Depressed_Nightfury An ev only pollute once during its fabrication process and batteries can be recycled but an ice car like a diesel or petrol pollute like 3x times more starting during fabrication (ice car still have battery as well even though is smaller they still have it so yeah), ice pollute in use spewing black coals, clouds of choaking unburn fumes, or other toxic mixtures that cause lung cancer and also pollute during maintenance servicing.. where the bad oil and other fluids that are replaced as consumables ends up ?
@@poplaurentiu4148you sound vaccinated
That Chevy's appearance is not much to be desired. Inside and out. Ford just didnt put a big enough battery in.
The next gen Lightning is coming soon with more range. Why didn't Andre mention that?
@@kylebutler7142 when will that be?
Yep, not a fan of the looks, but I do like the fold away rear divider between the bed and cab.
@@kylebutler7142 Because he's reviewing this generation. Plus the next one is still 2 years away.
The Sierra EV fixes the problem with the looks.
Great video!
Great video and wow great trucks
The old saying holds true here too, Right tool for the right job…
The Silverado EV hooked to a 9,000-lb. trailer went 146 miles up & "down hills" (including the 8 mile Ike Gauntlet), then 58 miles all downhill (using only 3%), ending up at 30% state of charge. *That means those first 146 miles used 67% of the battery capacity, making the range to empty under those condtions about 217 miles, and the maximum practical range is about 180 miles before you'd be anxious about finding a working charger, and then you'd have to recharge for what, at least an hour?*
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
@@heathwirt8919 how is it wrong wrong wrong..
@@goneridingparts It isn't wrong. The facts - including the timestamps - are right there in my post immediately before this one. To recap:
"The Silverado EV hooked to a 9,000-lb. trailer went 146 miles up & "down hills" (including the 8 mile Ike Gauntlet), then 58 miles all downhill (using only 3%), ending up at 30% state of charge.
Silverado can do 450 mi range compared to fords 300 empty weight just driving down the highway. Towing per the vid going up and down Silverado was more efficient in both directions. Downhill gained 8-9(silverado) vs 7-8(ford) and uphill used 22-23 vs ford 24-25 despite ford having more power.
Charging wise Chevy can charge at 350 / hr where ford is 220 / hr
@@cynricsaxon2945 The numbers you're starting with are off.
Cool test guys 🇨🇦
I'm in Northwest Houston, Shell gas Station and Flying J are installing fast charging stations. An Tesla charging stations are everywhere. Yes reconsidering an EV again.
When I got an EV back in 2021, the local chargers were always empty. Now they're always full. I bought one with more range just so I wouldn't have to use local public chargers. Hopefully the infrastructure will expand.
Low squat numbers for both trucks are from the limited to non existent articulation with the independent rear suspension, wide motors/short CV axles, and the heavy weight of batteries
It's mostly the spring rates.
So good to wake up to Andre and Mr. Truck!
Thank you. Much appreciated.
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27:49 How kind of Mr Truck to remind us what the time is around the world :-)
Andre was mad that dude kept saying the obvious in the beginning about the ford battery lol. Episode was over before it started
TFL: Please don’t ever change this combination. Andre and Mr Truck are the only guys I want reviews from on any channel. The detail of the information, the useful pros and cons without bias is very hard to pull off, these two do it better than anyone! May God continue to Bless you guys.
You're very closed minded.
Mr. Truck jumped the shark about 5 years ago. Time he hung up the hat.
@@phatgringo2.0 close minded? You don’t have favorite things in life? There are things that are true and opinions, this team gives the truth in details without bashing the other. When they give thier opinion they say “in my opinion” and don’t bash other opinions. Like you did when you called me “close minded”. That was a statement. Even in my post I said this is the team “I want”. I didn’t say I don’t like Roman and Nathan or call out any other channels. When it comes to cars I prefer Jason at Hagerty. In my opinion he is the best in the business.
Maybe it was the God thing, well this is where I will make statements, there is one God, the God of the Bible and there is one way to Heaven which is through Jesus Christ. The truth is like gravity, to reject gravity and jump off a 30’ tall building means you will plummet, gravity doesn’t turn off because you reject it, God like gravity does not change depending upon your belief.
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Nice comparison Andre, going toe to toe Ford vs Chevy was a great topic to choose. Impressed with both trucks performance with the IKE test. But, WOW the brute size of the battery on the 4WT with a 9K trailer is very attractive in terms of performance. The more you show the Chevy, the better it looks like it will match or even out perform its advertised abilities. I like the utility interior and simple layout that will fit my daily contractor job site use case and weekend toy hauler needs. I plan to keep my reservation and look forward to placing an order for the Silverado. The Ford is nice but I have a use case that is better suited for the 3WT Silverado. For me it's time to move off the ICE platform. Thank you TFL keep showcasing the Chevy since you have an exclusive on the 4WT.
Imagine the cost of that battery if it dies out of warranty (as many of the new F-150 lightning batteries have)
@@bartwaggoner2000 Really, out of warranty? Many of the new F-150 lightning batteries have died? In the past two years? I don't think so..... Not concerned about either brand.
I haven’t heard that either. Battery thermal protection has come a long way and they are lasting much longer than before, it’s a stigma I’m afraid that’s stuck with EVs
@@kelviskelvis7140 hoovie’s f-150 battery died after he sold it to dealer and before they could resell it - there is a Ford recall. Not saying common, but as Ford outsources battery they are subject to this, like Chevy with the Bolt
@@bartwaggoner2000 What is a hoovie? An after market attachment? - that could void a warranty. These two trucks have US made batteries. Ford makes its own at its Rouge Complex and GM at its own Ultuim plant in Ohio. The Bolt line does not have any common battery production with the silverado. When you use the word "many" you imply it is common.
We need a long distance towing test - while loaded just as this test was done.
These electric trucks are just not going to be the future of long distance heavy towing quite yet. The current technology they are using hasn’t proven it yet. The current cost is still a big obstacle that hasn’t gone away either.
I better get going to my bus stop. I might miss my ride.
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I would like to see them do a long distance towing test without the benefit of an ICE vehicle just a short walkie Talkie distance away. It seems all the CZcamsrs testing EVs always have an ICE vehicle tagging along lol.
@@derekk6906would you swim out to the middle of lake Superior without a boat tagging along? No you wouldn't. It also proves the unreliability and trust in a modern day EV.
long distance towing or cold climates EV cars are not ideal. IMHO toyota might have the right idea with PHEVs with smaller batteries and it would be good to have a PHEV truck that you can go 100 miles on electric only than switch to gas. 2 motors , 1 electric and other gas/diesel.
@@derekk6906So when there is a second vehicle nearby when they test ICE vehicles, that also means that ICE isn't ready for daily usage either, right?
You might want to check your numbers again. You said the Lightning used 18% of a 131kwh battery, for 23.6 kwh. In the video you also say the Silverado used 25 KWh just after you crossed the line.
That would have made the Ford more efficient uphill, which it should be as the overall weight of the truck and trailer is more than 1000 lbs less.
Did you state one of the figures incorrectly in the video and corrected on review of dash footage?
Not sure what he said but the graphic at 29:58 shows Ford 24.1kw uphill and Chevy 23.3kw which is consistent with the percentages he said.
Great test as usual though Mr Truck needs to learn more about EV's and stop saying "100% torque", which by itself means nothing. Electric motors can deliver 100% torque at 0 RPM however they do have torque curves and torque delivery is also determined by how the manufacturer programs the vehicle.
When I see Andre and Kent ,I know a good show is coming
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Great Saturday when there is an Ike!!!
Thank you for watching!
If the Suburban name wasn’t already being used, that would be the perfect name for an EV pickup truck. Nice vehicle for those living in the Suburbs that seldom venture far from home.
Always great videos and information guys! Ike's are my favorite video series ya'll do! But for 80k you can get any of the mid level big 3 diesel duallies, put an extra fuel tank on, and tow 30k+ 600+ miles with no issues and fill up anywhere across the country. Right now, that's what I would do vs the battery technology we have at this current point in time.
And support the saudies doing it 👏 fuel prices are going to go through the roof because of the wars happening over there they plan on stopping exports of oil
@@lesstevens2370gas is down 80 cents by me.
@@lesstevens2370you think charging is free?
@@jasonlarsen3515after we vote out politicians taking money from fossil fuel lobbyists then yea, close to it. Renewables are great id rather subsidize my taxes into that
@jasonlarsen3515 it not about the cost but where your money goes to would you rather have it stay in your country or go to some other country supporting there ideology that what it boils down to
I was surprised this summer to see several Lightning's and a few Rivians towing camper's that appeared to be on vacation near Glacier National Park. I guess some people are towing successful with them but it still seems to be a pain from a practically standpoint. Somewhere in the future there's a leap in battery technology that will probably make us laugh that we were hauling thousands of pounds of batteries around at the beginning of EV pickups.
Yes, electric pickups now can do everything I need my truck to do EXCEPT tow our trailer on longer camping trips.
@@skellington2000 good comparison and shows how efficient the ev truck is. About 6.5 gallons gas in energy or less than 6 gallons worth of diesel. As gas is 33.7kwhs per gallon and road diesel is 37.9kwhs per gallon in energy. Plus more power and a smoother ride&towing.
@@skellington2000 yup my neighbors lightning pro 2022 he's used for his small landscaping business?
Does 120-140 miles at hwy speeds towing his trailer and carrying a couple helpers, 160-180+miles per charge in around town use.
99.8kwh pack is less than 3 total gallons of gas worth in energy. He does 50-80 miles a day and charges the all electric lawn equipment up if needed using pro power onboard. My f-150 towing a similar 3,500# landscape trailer does 12-14mpg hwy and 10 or less around town in traffic.
Which means the ev is well over 3x more efficient in the same type of use. Our trucks stay in our driveways overnight so charging isn't an issue.
Fun fact a fully loaded tesla semi at hwy speeds has the same efficiency at hwy speeds as my empty 2019 f-150 xl does. 😀👍🏻
Actually I think Hydrogen combustion is the future. IMHO
@@elbowsout6301Using our massive, ubiquitous hydrogen infrastructure?
Still needs a small high efficiency Diesel range extender with an optional aux tank of diesel in the back to run it 24\7.
Does that GM have an integrated bed design (like the Rivian) vs a conventional bed? I have seen some videos on how expensive and costly Rivian bed repairs are.
Great comparison! Some nice trucks!
Thank you for watching.
Not a great comparison, a great comparison would be to compare the equivalent models, instead of comparing Chevy's low end model to Ford high end model. What does it say about Ford if it's high end model can't beat Chevy's low end model?@@TFLtruck
Mr Truck says he's waiting for a EV truck that goes 500 miles with 10k lbs towing - but what ICE pickup does that? Largest tank I'm seeing is 36 gallons, at an estimated 12-13 mpg not towing on the 3500 and maybe half that towing, good luck getting 500 miles!
Well said my 2019 f-150 towing at hwy speeds of about 65mph will do 220-240 miles from full to empty. 🙂
@@4literv6. Sad story. My Silverado will get 325 miles plus towing 😎
@@zoobrizz puny tank 24 gallons+reserve. What's your tank size 33+gallons?
Most of the ev trucks have 4-7 gallons or less worth of gas in total onboard energy.
@@zoobrizzStill far short of the 500 miles Mr. Truck says is needed.
The upcoming 2025 Ramcharger will have a 700 mile range when needed, tow 14k. I'm super stoked to buy it
We own a 2019 gmc Sierra slt 4x4. Will gmc come up with electric version of our truck, a 3/4, and 1/ton version as well in the future. Great video to see how both these trucks work, I believe both these ev trucks, can pull our rv travel trailer that is rated 5000/6000 lbs. That is the only thing we tow.
3/4 and 1 ton are HD - no HD OEM BEV's announced in the near term. Crew cab LD is more popular hence that is all going into production at this time. could be several more years before HD BEV's are announced.
There will eventually be HD EV trucks. OEMs are probably waiting for more energy dense batteries so that battery weight will not eat such a significant part of gross vehicle weight, allowing for higher payload numbers.
Cheers guys
I'm not convinced the Silverado EV will ship with that battery pack long term.
I'll hang on to my 3.0 Duramax diesel!
On a semi that on the upper dash to the right of steering wheel is NOT. A brake controller it's the release ( air valve). The normal is a stock or stick type lever off the steering column.
Yes.
There is some funny business going on with both trucks mi/kwh displays. The Ford showed 0.5mi/kwh and the Chevy showed 0.9 mi/kwh. Those convert to 2000wh/mi and 1111wh/mi respectively. 8 miles up that equals 16kwh for the Ford and 8.8 kWh for the Chevy total for the climb, yet battery percentage calcs show a use of 24.1 and 23.3 kwh.
Somebody correct what I missed. Either way at 24ish kwh they used the equivalent of 3/4 of a gallon of gas to do that 8 mile climb.
Aside from.a little range and efficiency, the F150 is the superior product.
I'm assuming the dimensions and weight of the frame limit the battery a bit. Considering the current F150 platform was adapted to EV and brought to market as quickly as it was and the Silverado EV was a ground up vehicle on a totally different platform that probably started with the battery, not too bad.
Honestly, if Im Ford, I add an extended range battery in the frunk and try and keep the cargo capacity similar to the Silverado.
Boom, even better truck for probably the same money and higher trim with a frame.
The Silverado is like a really big Ridgeline, without all the Hinda reliabilty.
Oh you mean the Ridgeline that copied the Chevrolet Avalanche....
@josephkitchens4831 yes, exactly that. An inferior product, copied and perfected by Honda, that Chevy copied again!
Exactly! Lol
@@josephkitchens4831 yeah except for you know the Ridgeline was a unibody vehicle where as the Avalanche was basically the body-on-frame Tahoe/Suburban with the back made into a truck bed. Since the Silverado EV is a unibody it is far more similar to the Ridgeline than the Avalanche.
Wait, so GM priced the work truck version the same as the lariat lightning? Good luck with that GM.
You're paying for the larger battery capacity. GM has cheaper work truck trims with smaller batteries. You get to choose what is more important.
They're pretty much sold out right now, looks like they hit the nail on the head. I'm sure the price will follow demand and production volume though long term.
@@jghall00not yet they don't. This is the only version available right now
@@koryjames3607 3WT is in production with 4WT at this time.
Yes, paying for a larger battery instead of lipstick.
How much does it cost to replace the batteries in either one, and how long are they expected to last?
do you guys know if the lightning has received any type of hardware revisions or is it still original hardware from initial release.
Yea - the 2024 model year Ford added a heat pump
I agree with Mr. Truck - EV's just arent there yet. Once they get it dialed (if they get it dialed), I may be a fan, but
they aren't even close at this point.
I laughed when Mr. Truck said he’ll be convinced when an EV can tow 10,000 lbs 600 miles. Please show me the ICE pickup that can do that without refueling Mr. Truck!
@@davidholmer6099 For some reason, people have elevated expectations of EVs. I can only go around 250 miles in my Expedition when I tow my camper. I would happily sacrifice 50 miles of range for an EV that would save on fuel and maintenance.
@davidholmer6099 Yeah, that's too much. I just want them to do what a gas truck will do. Even then, I really just enjoy the rumble of a V8 😄
@@jadoriffic Does paying $5+ a gal for dino juice Plus DEF vs paying $6-$8 a topoff charge overnight motivate you to forget the rumble of a V8? Because TFL just showed you they do what a gas 1500 truck does.
@@kelviskelvis7140
Just based on what you provided, I prefer to pay 102 to fill up once (600 miles of range) vs having to "top off" nightly at 6-8 each night. That's conservatively 14x6=84 but my time is valuable and I use 5 mins to fuel up vs having to top off nightly. Plus I can take my fuel receipt and write it off. I can't do that when I plug into my home's electrical. In 2035 we'll most likely be hearing about going all EV in 2050.....then 2065....
So we've tried electric in this country 3 times now and I still think it's not for everyone but despise how it's being shoved in our faces as a must do.
I'd be interested in the Silverado ev, but definitely not as my only truck
You must be rich. Good for you 👏
@@jadoriffic nope, but I am willing to drive an older truck and do my own work on it to save money
@caseysgarage5991 That's what I do. I own an '06 Tundra, and I love it, but I still couldn't afford $80k for an EV truck that's for sure.
😅 This video felt so throw together in a hurry... My man kept jumping the gun in the commentary 😂 Andre has a lot of patience.
Lol i know, Andre was doing his best to keep it together.
Please do this again once the RST is available to test with!
Seen this dropped while road tripping my wife and I ioniq 5 halfway across the country. I would love to buy a Silverado EV, seems like it may be the first fully viable EV pickup.
I calculated that the Ford had a 25% decrease in power.
Percentage of use =
(72 - 54)/72 = 18/72 = 0.25 or 0.25*100 = 25% decrease.
I’m just going to stick with my ICE truck. Great video!
Why are you dividing by 72? they said they used 18% battery, that's 18% of the total battery capacity.
20:30 - I used the numbers from this timestamp.
Thanks for letting me know my formula was off. Based on the numbers he gave at the timestamp above, and using the “percentage of change formula” to find % increase and/or % decrease, It should look like the following:
Calculate percentage change
from (starting)V1 = 72 to (ending)V2 = 54.
[(V2−V1)/V1] ×100
= [(54−72)/72]×100
= [−18/72]×100
= −0.25×100
= −25% change = 25% decrease in battery energy.
It used 25% of the power it had available on the drive.
I just like the formula we use in physics, and posted it for anyone else that prefers to use it. If you have a different formula, please share it.
What was the range for full charge, how many miles does this trucks give you when towing.
Just a thought-- on the noise test wouldn't it make sense to do going downhill? Doesn't air blow up towards Eisenhower?
Part of the noise test was to measure engine noise when it was working hard to pull a trailer uphill. This is a standardized test they use for gas and diesel trucks too.
@@TroySavary Yeah, I guess I just figured it would be roughly the same when engine breaking, and more accurate when you're not traveling with the wind. Whenever I drive up to Eisenhower (frequently) it's surprisingly quiet because you're moving with the wind.
I’ll pass on both.
If the Ford drove the same route with no trailer. It would be interesting to see what range it had left driving unloaded vs. the Chevy towing the same route.
In the end, EV sales will depend upon range, charging time, and reliability (TCO). When they get 500mi, can be 80% recharged in 15min, and have low TCO for 8 years, then the majority of us will buy them.
Did I miss a final comparison of how many total miles were exhausted from each vehicle for the same tests? I get that the Chevy had more left over due to larger battery pack, but how many miles or kw were used by both doing the same tests on the same day? Thx
I'd be interested to see head on crash test results, between an ev Ford F150 vs. conventional with an engine in the front.
The Lightning has a heavier frame than the standard F150 that extends all the way to the front bumper. It will probably score better because it doesn't have a high mounted engine that tends to encroach into the passenger compartment during a frontal crash.
The Silverado refusing to actually communicate what's going isn't my favorite thing in the world. Maybe by time they are coming out of the fleets, chevy will have updated it or someone will have an aftermarket gauge pod. Shame since otherwise it seems like a much more advanced platform.
Who cares about battery and transmission temps in an EV? Any excess heat easily gets dumped in the cabin or the radiator. That's just legacy from Ford - and the battery percentage is making a point with the Silverado which is you don't need it. How many gas cars show % of tank?
To communicate what exactly? No transmissions, its electric motors. If they get hot, the software can pull back power. Coolant temp? I suppose but no engine to cool, just batteries and motors so again, the ECM will throttle accordingly for high temps.
@@Gnosticware If you don’t care because you don't intend on using a truck as a truck that's fine. This is a brand new product and you shouldn't just assume it can handle anything. I'd rather not have my vehicle derate going up a hill because I didn't know I was overworking it until after the fact.
@@killercan10 I'd rather not have my vehicle derate going up a hill because I didn't know I was overworking it until after the fact, that's how accidents happen. I can also do some guess work on the general condition of the vehicle if I think it is getting too hot too quick/long. Not getting information the system already has isn't a win.
@@TexasDragon3907 I'm planning on towing, and my point is that with EV's it doesn't matter like it did with ICE. I've measured via OBD and the battery temps never change much.
We, The People, have been waiting patiently for this video!
Now you got it!
You should really consider measuring decibels at your ear and closer to the center of the truck or the window next to your opposing ear. That’s where you are perceiving sounds. Not so much up near the windshield.
The human ear is much more sensitive to midrange frequencies which is why the Chevy was perceived as being noisier than the Ford. The decibel reading on the meter sweeps the entire hearing range at equal gain.
@@heathwirt8919 Thank you for your response to my query. My question was simply about decibel level perceived by ears given their location within the vehicle as compared to the meter’s microphone (or ear), positioned perhaps two feet away. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I can only imagine that it would be louder nearer the windows than where one’s ear is positioned while riding in that vehicle. Again, thank you for your reply. 👍🏻
@@user-dy3uy2bv7r True but the perceived loudness by the human ear follows the Fletcher-Munson curves, our ears are much less sensitive to low and very high frequencies but very sensitive to midrange frequencies. There are charts available on the internet. A simple decibel reading does not tell the whole story.
I have over 12k miles are my Ford Lightning Lariat and it’s the best F150 I’ve owned. Better handling, performance, and ride quality. I use it regularly to pull my trailer with commercial mowers and you never know it’s back there.
The depreciation will be horrible
@@zoobrizz I keep them an average of eight years and figure I can either make payments on one that uses gas or one that doesn’t
8,500 pounds, unibody...what could go wrong?
It isn't a traditional unibody. The skateboard acts as a full frame. So it is a unibody on frame.
In a couple of years with silicon anode cells like the soon to be Colorado based production of Amprius cells you'll be able to charge from zero to 80% in about 6 minutes and have twice the range with the same size battery. Then an EV truck for towing will make much more sense.
Maybe. Just like Toyota and solid state batteries?
@@bartwaggoner2000 Unlike solid state batteries, these cells have been in production for some time and are in use in UAVs due to the greater energy density. The technology is solid and proven. The Colorado facility will be used to greatly increase production over the California locations, and lower costs with further automation. I plan to use these for racing sprint karts as they will make that practical compared to current graphite anode cells.
@hal… I have to admit I had to google what sprint karts are. What you say might be true but there is a heII of a jump between go-karts and heavy hauling pickup trucks. It might be a little longer wait time than a few years until the go kart batteries become viable EV pickup parts.
Sales of the F-150 Lightning are down 45% in the 3 rd qtr compared to a year ago. Ford announced today here in Detroit that it is laying off 700 workers at the facility that builds the Lightning (Rouge EV facility) and the layoff is unrelated to the ongoing strike… Interesting
Andre! When is the next generation of F150 Lightning hitting the streets? It's gonna have more range right? It'll win over that Silverado EV!
Hopefully in 10 years, the technology actually is there to make these EVs worthwhile towing rigs, as well as efficiently charged
I tow a decent amount with a Chevy unibody and I do always hear a lot of hitch noise that you don't get in body on frame.
Excited for RAM to join the battle as well, especially with the Rang Extender.
Ram does compare to Chevy or Ford.
Sure. So they can also lose $
Really hope these fail. I'll take my v8
It more to do with energy independence but if you like supporting other countries over your own maybe you should live there also
@@lesstevens2370 Are you an idiot. I said nothing about supporting other countries. Me liking my v8 f150 over a glorified rc car has nothing to do with that. Only reason we don't use our own fuel is cuz of the numb nuts that is in the white house as he shut down the pipe line his 1st freaking day. Sad thing is there are actually some few people dumb enough to support him. Only reason he did it was more money for he and his friends
@@lesstevens2370 if we had an America 1st administration we’d have more gas, electric and fuel we’d know what to do with
Keep voting liberal if you want to rely on your adversaries and competitors to supply you.
What I hear from your post:
STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
I might consider the Ford, but the Silverado is just too ugly, too much plastic, and too expensive for what it is. I own an R1T, and I found the range issue to be more of a problem on paper than in real life; however, I am not road-tripping or towing daily. If I were to buy a truck today that would be used predominantly for towing or daily road-tripping, it would not be either one of these trucks or an EV at all; it would have an engine under the hood, and that decision is non-debatable. However, I still think the original Ford Lightning work truck was outstanding value.
You discover Toby’s play doll in there 😂 just kidding Me Toby that is very nice from you to let them do this comparison for all of us
So which one of those 2 trucks is the fastest if you take them on the track
It seems like the Ford lightning is the overall better truck. But still have the issue of lack of charging stations
Yes, and it has horrible range towing, especially if cold
How do you figure? The Lightning has less power, way less range, and no 360 kw charging
Ford is moving to the Tesla connector and will access their stations. So the charging situation is going to get significantly better. Only issue is that most stations aren't configured for towing.
@@jghall00 Cybertruck is so ugly it better have some amazing stats, like super fast charging and over 200 miles range towing
@@Billybob50119The Silverado is hideous, has a cheap child’s interior, and weighs well over 4 tons! The Lightning is way nicer and it looks like a real truck. Fast charging is bad for batteries.
The Silverado EV should be called Avalanche because it’s kinda shaped like one.
Maybe the EValanche!
marketing says no
They should have done both an EV Avalanche and an EV Silvarado with more traditional look. Please both crowds.
I would like to know how long it takes to recharge these trucks?
Interesting test, thank you. At some point I will again jump into the EV market, but not now. Suggestion: Clarify payload. The topic is a critical towing parameter and you passed over it quickly without explaining it. Just a suggestion. Thanks.
More Mister Truck, More Mister Truck, More Mister Truck. Thanks for giving us what we want TFL!
Thanks
EV still has major issues in extreme cold, still loose half battery life or more depending on temp. If this is future we are screwed if you live in cooler winter environments.
Could the Ford's Dual Air Conditioning have used more energy to cool the motors while you were towing uphill?
"pro trailer backup assist" is the biggest oxymoron ever 😂