Best SMG in Warzone! (MP5 vs MP7)
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- The MP5 and the MP7 are generally considered to be the best SMGs within Warzone so today I wanted to put them side by side and break down their stats to find out which one is best! Which of these SMGs do you think is best in Warzone?
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Uzi
Too accurate
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@@nikosarantidis2200 stop it🤣🤣
I wish stats like this were actually in the game.
agreed. there is really no reason for UI designers and devs to not work together and actually give us hard numbers. Blacklight Redemption did, and it made customization so much more intuitive and interesting.
This is good that it’s not so my boy Ace get the views deservedly for putting the work in instead of constant “Insane Grau class with no recoil” videos lol
I appreciate the work ace does. I don’t even bother with the “no recoil 30 bomb” videos. I just hate having to watch a CZcams video every time I want to set up a new class. And later find out that the video that ace made is already out dated because the devs decided to change the weapon without telling anyone. It’s just so frustrating because so many things in this game have been done right but they drop the ball so hard on what could be the best part of the game, weapon customization.
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This would cause channels like this to dissapear tho, I would prefer channels like this. I love these kind of research videos.
I’m loving these “vs” videos. The extra details such as the recoil patterns with all the attachments on takes it to a new level. More of these, please 😊
So I think The “Feeling” with guns are more important than an actual Stats because why does it matter if the gun you have is really gun if you don’t good with.. just like a sniper. It can be one shot but it won’t matter if you’re not good at sniping.
I agree
I see a lot of people dominating with the AK because they feel good but when they use grau or m4 they are trash.
Yeah people tell me to pair mp7 with a sniper but I hate the feel of it so I rather pair it with an aug or M4a1 but without sniper I still run aug or uzi over mp5 because I rather the feel when paired with an m4a1
I feel you
Yea I have tried the mp5 but I’m not comfortable with ot
I agree with you 100% with the “feel” of the guns. I would say that the Iron sight is also a lot more comfortable with the mp7
@@dennisalphamale5005 reported
Lmao u sounds like such a pleb
The flood MP5 has better iron sites for sure.
Ian C is the iron different on that blueprint?
@Maxi Delevingne you mean more like almost 60 years at this point^^ i guess the main reason the mp5, with it's 9mm parabellum cartridge, is still so popular, has to do with it being widely used by police forces.( most police around the world won't have to deal with heavily armored personel)
The other reason for it still running strong, even with it's weaker caliber, is that it fires from a closed bolt position, giving you high first shot accuracy.
actually the defect of the smaller caliber was supposed to be made up by the UMP which is the official successor to the mp5.
It depends on your other weapon. If you're running something like an M4 or grau, the mp5 is best because those dominate mid to long range, allowing you to use the mp5 where it is strongest. If you're using a gun that is only efficient at long range, like a sniper or certain LMGs, the mp7 is better because it can hold its own in many mid range situations due to better recoil properties.
U basically copy and paste to sound smaet
Smart
@@themightyswager6151 I did no such thing, but if that makes you feel better about yourself somehow then feel free to keep thinking so
I totally agree with this. I use the AX-50 most of the time and I’ve tried using the mp5 and it just doesn’t feel right compared to using an mp7
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MP7 feels like an absolute laser in warzone as it's so easy to control, having said that after watching this I might have to give the MP5 more or a go as I do love it in regular multiplayer.
Joe Beech I’m pretty new to war zone but I’ll admit the second I find a MP5 I go god mode
IW employee: sir we have dozens of weapons and variations.
IW CEO: Good, make them use only 3 weapons
IW employee: but sir...
IW CEO: DID I STUTTER?
Grau M4 Mp7
I disagree the grau, m4, bizon, mp5, mp7, uzi, pkm, bruen and 725 are all amazing. Sa87, mg34, m13, ak47 and model 680 are also great.
@@godlovesyou1995 Sweats use only 3 or 4 weapons. My fav SMG is UZI with extra dmg bullets but i always lose fights against MP5 and MP7. Also I like Oden but M4 destroys every AR
Oden is amazing
When I was losing instead of whipping out the mp5 or m4 I take out the oden
the problem i have with the mp7 is that i feel its a hit marker machine. Also, if you need a cqc weapon, the mp5 is way better, and at medium range, most of the ARs are your best option. So, my fav loadout would be grau + mp5
Yes sir
Mp7 is a better sidekick to a sniper class tho. Your sniper is for really far away so you still need something for both cqc and mid range.
Atm I’m running a PKM LMG long range build with a MP5 as CQC secondary.
I felt a lot better about the mp5 than mp7
It’s an smg and it shoots faster than the mp5 what did you expect genius
@@TreyKan999 what i meant is that the ttk in the mp7 feels way longer and that I get a lot of hitmarkers without killing the enemy (also the difference of firing speed ain't that significant between both guns)
I still would love to see how the P90 compares to the MP7 in one of these sometime. Keep up the great work!
As much as I like the P90, the MP7 is far superior. There is no point in using the P90 unfortunately
its dogshit compared to the Mp7 trust me
Great comparison, I think it also depends on your second gun, eg: when using sniper I use the mp7 and when rocking the grau i use the mp5. A good comparison would be stun vs heartbeat sensor, I know heartbeat is a clutch for many people but stuns are incredibly underrated, specially in solos. Love your videos ace! Love the fact that you break down everything instead of showing a 20-30 kill game and then stating that a certain loadout or gun is the meta/op
Facts
MP7 for me, I just feel it's more accurate and reloads faster.
Thats because it does. The MP5 still outguns it tho
@Ilipopgamer ! Only noobs miss shots
@Ilipopgamer ! exactly the time to kill is dependent on you hitting the most shot. And that's easier done with the MP7. You can easily outgun an MP5 from a distance.
@@dnrmafia that's why most people use grau and mp5 so they can use the grau for long distances
Ilipopgamer ! U can say that about every gun no matter the rof. If you’re missing shots with any gun you’re dead.
You generally want to avoid MP5 at range in Warzone ... 0:21 "Hold my beer" 😂😂😂.
The MP7 I think is easier to control when going for a long range shot when needed and the iron sights are way better to increase aiming accuracy.
I would like to see the RAM-7 against the Grau/M4 and also the AUG against the MP5/MP7 and the AUG 5.56 against the Grau/M4.
The ram-7 is a machine. I use it in warzone the rate of fire makes it shred armor.
It’s hard to tell what the enemy is holding while they’re shooting at you
agree. nobody did ram7 vs grau/m4 in wzone yet.
AUG 5.56 should be compared to other LMG's imo.
Clean agree. Ram7 is so overlooked currently in the best AR debate. It’s very versatile because it good short to medium to fairly long range
I can't believe someone noticed the second shot grip on the Merc.
So, big q: When you go from hipfire to ads, a smaller hip spread has a smaller cone to focus. Have you ever tested this for a change in full ads time or effective ttk, factoring in missed shots, on ads?
Thank you adding the “feel of the gun” into the equation! Mp7 feels sooo much better at shooting and reloading!!
It depends on the feel !! You are right ace, I love the iron sight on the MP5 !! And I can't resist that gun !! But it depends on you're playstyle !!
@@JohnSmith-pv1mz I was talking about me liking the iron sight on MP5 over the fact that he loves the MP7
disclaimer: yes im biased i have obsidian for my mp7 and know the recoil so well, BUT
of course this is depends on the person but i feel the mp7 has easier more clear iron sights to get on target and hit those mid range shots. mp5 just bounces alot and is bulky
what's your mp7 build for core like tdm or search and destroy
Fxwzz i play Hardcore and tbh its all ADS attachments and a 60rd mag. super agro
Best RPG in wz: RPG vs. RPG
Lol
Kyle Williams no rpg in multiplayer vs rpg in warzone
Jockrl? Pila?
@@_imalexx_xd8644 terrible in wz
Well that's actually a thing at this point in warzone
it’s basically that if you want a more forgiving gun that’s easy to learn go with mp7 but if you feel like you can control the recoil manually then go with the mp5
MP7 for sure. I am way more accurate with it so I can go for those headshots from range. Plus the 60 rounds is great as well. MP5 is nice though and I use it from time to time.
Hi Ace,
Love the vids! I'm an "optimal build geek" myself and you're helping me alot with building some great guns to make up for my bad skills.
I've been thinking that it would be super awesome if you created an app where people can build their guns and see exactly how much the attachments stacks affects the stats of the guns. I know it would be alot of work, but it would also be a great help and I'm sure alot of people would buy it.
Keep up the great work!
SA87 vs Oden, The Oden is my go to but since the SA87 has been buffed I find myself juggling the two. I feel like the SA87 is far more viable than it use to be due to the buff, so I would love for you to re-evaluate it or compare it to another hard hitting gun such as the Oden.
What is your loudout on the oden?
Dave Kutzke for Warzone I run the colossal suppressor, 30 round mag, stippled grip tape, tac laser, and the 730mm barrel. The oden doesn’t need an underbarrel because the 730mm barrel has good recoil control. If you think differently tho you can always switch some stuff out and see for yourself. Also, I don’t use the 810mm barrel because it hurts my mobility too much so I find the 730mm to be perfect. I’ve found the most success with this set up, again you can always try switching some stuff out to help more with recoil or ads but I personally think this is the best set up possible for warzone. ALSO, and most importantly, I use the Black Asp blueprint. I find this extremely important because it has a wayyyy better iron sight than the base oden. This blueprint is unlocked pretty early in this seasons battlepass. Cheers.
The holger is great now too after yesterday's buff
For the mp5 i use the grip tape that helps with recoil control and commando for stabilization, I like having a little bit of both worlds and I feel like it's worth sacrificing some ADS speed for the better recoil pattern.
Commando grip vs merc/ranger grip?
Go to his recoil vid
Commando Grip is good for horizontal (side to side) recoil. And the others are good for either “vertical” recoil pattern or aiming stability lol.
Common rule of thumb: merc for smgs and commando/ranger for ARs
General rule of thumb is merc for shorter barrel ranger for longer and commando for mid length like socom on kilo. In this case commando for mp7 and merc for mp5.
Watched every video but, since this series is about showdowns, this are the two most common add for recoil control and they are both extremely popular. Also i see that even pros and streamer cant really decide whats better, we need a hand from our favorite cod scientist
For those who were not paying attention, the recoil test was done without attachments.
Pro tip:
Recoil control reduces vertical recoil
Recoil stability reduces horizontal recoil control
@@amrashka which is a reduction that will improve recoil control
I wonder how the AUG with NATO Rounds would perform and versus what exactly? In my opinion you can compare it to a Kilo 141 or even the Grau but the recoil is significant higher.
I would love to see that comparison
Tbh 30 NATO AUG is just not enough, and 60 mags has noticeable ads drop. It also can’t reach as far as MP7/ Grau. CQB is not as dominate as MP5
I love this gun, but I would pick up enemy’s MP7/MP5 rather than AUG in WZ
Nerfed. Might as well use RAM7 instead
BNGladius - it’s slightly nerfed.
it's more like the ak but better at close range
Honestly I need to start running an mp5 with a Grau more. I usually try out of meta class builds just so that Warzone doesn't get stale but after a string of losses I can justify being sweaty );
would like to see the RAM vs M4, personally been using the RAM most of the time with my snipers because the high fire rate shreds up close and if you get used to recoil can definitely dominate at decent ranges
RAM-7 with a Sniper is an underrated combo imo.
The only downside for ram 7 is it’s insane side recoil, especially that it kicks to the left side, which I found extremely hard to counter
@@NegativEgale yea, I agree like I said it definitely is weird to get used to the recoil since it's so different from pretty much any other gun. I generally just wait about a second and pull pretty hard down right, it's not perfect I'm no pro but it works out alright for peppering sniper glints to save myself
i wanted an updated comparison with ram and m4/grau in warzone.
Eric I’ve found that if you put on the ranger barrel and the commando grip it makes the RAM really accurate. Try it out.
I’m glad you touched on the personal preference aspect to these guns. I feel like that gets overlooked quite a bit when building classes. Statistics are less relevant if you’re able to hit more shots consistently with the “worse” gun.
I think a useful stat to include would be Time To Down Squads. This would help knowing the trade offs for killing one versus killing 3 or 4.
The Grau, MP5 combo with Amp is just so OP
If neither SMGs suit you, maybe try the RAM-7. It’s got a fast fire rate (IIRC between the MP5 and MP7), but with AR damage values at range. Just mind the recoil and 30-round mag (which you might want to spend an attachment point for an Extended Mag).
Ammo capacity aside, the RAM is the best AR in the game imo. It is versatile and capable at every range, it fucking shreds at close range and accurately lasers at longer ranges. The recoil is really easy to handle.
@@TSE_WOODY the recoil isn't very easy to handle at mid to long ranges, atleast not on a controller
People cant control recoil thats why they avoid ram 7.
Its absolutely my favourite
@@axzaust I mean I love it aswell but the sideways recoil is a little bit hard to control with a controller as compared to a mouse because on mouse you can make more precise movements
11:39 nobody is going to talk about how clean the c4 was?
I'm interested that the monolithic integral is better than the mono suppressor as the integral doesn't say it increases range damage, only velocity.
Mp7 is way better IMO, easier to get comfortable with and just a way cleaner iron sights, yes the stats are better but I find it way better. I just can’t seem to work with the mp5
according to jgod's newest vid, ranger grip does help a lot with the first and second shot gap on mp5 so maybe you can try that for a bit? anyway, i still feel that mp7 is the one to use as a primary while mp5 is more like a cqb alternative when having a rifle or lmg as a mid range primary.
been watching JGod's clip recently and yes there is really huge difference on their findings. its all up to the users preference anyway.
It looks like JGOD used 1 recoil pattern per test, instead of what Ace usually does, which is at least 2 (per the same configuration) when he compares different configurations. I'll trust Ace on this one.
Also: JGOD plagiarizes some of Ace's findings, without giving Ace any credit (for example: integral monolithic barrel increases range by 12.5%) for actually finding these exact stats. Terrible. He should ALWAYS cite the sources of his data.
I've seen in lots of places say that you keep your perks when you respawn from gulag or if your team buys you back, and I've seen people say the exact opposite. Can you look into that and get a definitive answer? The game says you have your perks when you win gulag AND when you get redeployed.
MethodMethod Anecdotally I’ve *never*, ever retained my perks from the gulag nor buybacks. I assume that visual “loadout” is just another stupid Infinity Ward bug...
@@bobthebuilder9509 How do you know? I run EOD, ghost, and tracker. Hard to tell if you still have em afterawards
@@Meth0d320 I always run amped. When I spawn back I don't switch weapons faster still
@@Meth0d320 super easy to tell idiot. if you have ghost active, your characters arrow on the minimap is transparent
@@rifie1495 no need to be hostile
That's really weird how the MP5 has a faster TTK. I could've sworn that the MP7 did.
Probably because of the mp7's high RoF which makes it a lot more forgiving and actually better than the mp5 if you factor in a certain amount of missed shots (which I have not calculated)
Facts
m7 has way better range
Eshwar tangirala no it doesn’t. The MP7 is way more accurate, but the MP5 has better range
@saajidos doritos um. According to this very video, the MP5 has more range too. I think you’re thinking of accuracy, a department in which the MP7 does indeed shine
Hey Ace, I would love to see a semi auto showdown. Fal vs SKS vs ebr vs dragunov. Also the pkm vs mk9 would also be a good one. Love the content man. Keep it up!
In war zone, dont use the sks. The ebr is better because it can 2 tap to the head at longer ranges than the sks. But I wouldn't recomend using either the sks or ebr in war zone, because they use sniper ammo which is hard to get a hold of sometimes. Also in war zone, the fal isn't very good. Ive used it for several games of squads and for all of them I was 1st or 2nd in damage but 4th or 3rd in kills. you will get a lot of assists with the fal. As for the dragunov, it's shit in war zone. Trust me, don't touch it. You can't onetap with it, and it has high recoil, making it hard to hit follow up shots. However, if you want a long range dmr style weapon, I would recommend either the m4 with socom rounds. Keep in mind that you only get 10 bullets tho, so it's only really good in solos. The loadout that I would recommend for the .458 socom m4 is mono suppressor, m16 barrel, commando foregrip, .458 socom 10 round mags, and a vlk 3.0x optic or gi mini reflex. You can treat this like a full auto marksman rifle. It's very powerful, but it has only 10 rounds. An alternative to the .458 socom m4 is the oden. My recommended class setup for the oden is the 730mm barrel, merc foregrip, compensator (run the mono supressor if you can control the recoil) , vlk 3.0x optic, and stippled grip tape (switch the stippled grip tape out for 30 round mags in squads and trios). With that setup you get much better recoil control, but it is extremely slow. With both the .458 socom m4 and oden, I would recommend using overkill with an smg like the mp5 or mp7, because these setups are weak up close.
@@thelolicon5071 SOCOM m4 is good. I run it with a cronen optic and mp7 as secondary. But I'll take the fal over the oden all day. I don't use it in engagements where I have more than two enemies aiming at me tho.
@@jayjaybaby3302I would recommend switching the optic to a vlk 3.0x. It has almost the same zoom as a cronen but doesn't have as much as an effect on your aim down sight speed. I understand what you mean about the oden. It is very slow, almost like an lmg.
@T.A.C in war zone the ebr is better. The sks is way better in multiplayer tho.
Anything that uses sniper ammo that doesn't one shot to the head is a huge problem, assuming they use plates between getting shot you have to headshot someone 4 times to down them if they have 5 plates, then assume they don't get picked up and you didn't miss a shot, that's poor economy when you can only carry 40
They're basically the same except the mp7 has less recoil, more range and more ammo
mp5 has more range actually
Spot on. I knew the Mp7 would redeem itself in the second half of the video. They are both excellent guns. I think the biggest factor in choosing between the two guns is the situations you ( or your squad) put yourselves in or seek to achieve.
If you have an average squad and you know you're going to be pulling a lot of weight I would choose the mp7.
If I know I have a strong squad and i know I can relax a bit I would choose the mp5. That's where you can Express your individuality.
My buddies arent that great and id say that im slightly above average, I run a grau kitted to be a laser beam so its got a slow ads, do you reckon I should go with the mp7 as a secondary then
@@nehal3674 absolutely it makes a great secondary weapon. I would recommend amped as your third perk if you are doing so. It allows you to swap weapons faster. You will notice the difference it makes to your game play straight away in close quaters and gun fights in general.
A Grau and Mp7 would make a very strong load out.
Personally I try keeping an eye on the way the game is being played in general So I've jumped on the ghost trend and I never really run over kill. I usually use the mp7 as a primary. You could also try raising enough cash to get a load out containing the grau and then a second load out to get your customised mp7 that way you are not sacrificing the ghost perk.
In warzone I general run a SMG,LMG or assault rifle with the 357 or renettis as my secondary becuase I have them ranked up to max. They cover my CQC situations
I usually get my load out(check the circle and try judge whether it will be an urban, rural / open ,long range area ) to determine the weapon I run.
Knowing I have renettis or 357 and amped in my load out this allows me to run ghost and pick up and decent mp7 blue print I see on the map or any gun belonging to any enemy I have killed.
Personally with my experience in warzone I have found that having the most bullets, a great rate of fire and being able to swap to your secondary is the most important and I would really recommend the mp7 in this case, even better if you can find it as a blue print. You can play so aggressive this way.
I will have some mp7 footage coming soon so you can judge for yourself.
@@moroth9541 if I have a weak squad I will use a mp7 it has a bigger magazine capacity and faster fire rate. This way it is more forgiving when you miss shots. Watch Ace's vid again. The base mp7 also has better mobility and ads compared to the mp5.
I also prefer the mp7 when I am in gun fights with multiple enemies because I feel it has a better recoil pattern and its easier to control.
The mp5 tends to bounce more and can be less accurate. In warzone accuracy is a huge factor.
This is why I like to use the mp5 when I have a strong squad. I feel comfortable and safe to run a less accurate gun than the mp7
@@nehal3674 if you're using the grau then use mp5 secondary, its better than the mp7 in this instance. Anything past 30m use the grau. If you havr a sniper or lmg primary use the mp7. Theres a reason all the pros and kill record setters use the mp5 over the mp7
Love this breakdown! Suggestion: Grau vs. M13
Hey Ace! Kinda off topic but just wanted to bring to your attention. The crossbow incendiary bolts got a nurf or the attack choppers in blood money got a buff. It used to take 4 bolts now it take about 6-7
you should do a video explaining how much health a enemy has after getting downed in Warzone. I feel like they have an additional 100 after getting knocked
You mean like 100 (base) + 100?
@@elitedimitri1184 so with full armor I believe u get 250 health i maybe wrong but I think thats the number. So after you down an enemy do they get an additional 100 health while down? if so altogether you get 350, 250 full armored with 100 downed
Dezzio Kreed it definitely seems that way
It's funny sometimes finishing off someone takes more bullets than knocking them lol :D
The high health when downed is obviously to give teammates a chance to revive you, however the system needs tweaking. I'd say melee should be instakill, same for a headshot. This way when a players teammates aren't a direct threat you don't have to waste your ammo, butt you'll still get a chance to be revived by your teammates if you get downed close to them.
7:49 MERC grip with FFS stock
Could you show us some proof?
How about hip fire?
JH 22 ranger grip is ok but the Merc foregrip is way better. It makes hip fire way more accurate and provides the same benefit for accuracy.
@@jerryberry3501 Why would you want to hip fire if your ads is fast af?
Jeremiah C Ranger grip does not increase Hipfire accuracy like the Merc grip. But I personally don’t use hip fire in Warzone. Only when killing a downed player. And I would rather have the ADS speed, accuracy and movement speed boost then hip fire
I think you should also do some test with the hip fire spread. When quickly passing an opponent in close quarters your first few shots tend to be hip fire.
I go for the mp7 with my sniper, so I can challence people from short to short-mid ranges, whilst not using ar ammo that my whole squad needs, but I really think the mp5 is way more dominant at short ranges, so I use that with the grau (mp5: short range, grau: mid to long range)
But it really comes down to preference tho...
Much love from Belgium btw!
hey there! awesome vid, helped me alot switching back to MP5 wich directly improved my game
what about a "GRAU 5.56 vs AUG 5.56" comparison? just got a discussion going on about that ... i am team Grau of course ^^
This Vid finally told me what damage range actually does
Can you please bring a Video about the new Weapon Changes? (Holger, FAL, Scar...)
What I love about the mp7 is you can almost use it as a short assault rifle
Oh wow, that makes so much more sense now why I do way better with the MP7 rather than the MP5, that recoil pattern is horrendous, most times my aim is good but my shots weren't hitting.
I'm feeling trying out the lmgs
I'm not trying to be offensive just to be clear, but I feel like that means you're either using it outside of its intended range, or are a lower skill player. Overall, the mp7 is more beginner friendly, while high skill players will find more benefit from the mp5 due to being more capable of controlling the recoil
@@nicklasdaniels769 Real chads use aug... or in my case uzi for today's challanges
@@nicklasdaniels769 Yea, I'm just a beginner who only plays pub games, so that must be it.
this is why i play with controller on pc because aim assist makes recoil non existent.
The MP7 can be used as a very versatile automatic weapon when used in secondary with a sniper rifle, the MP5 can't really do that. However you're NEVER losing a close-range fight with an MP5 so, can't really compare these 2 since they don't really fit the same role, imo.
What do you mean you can’t compare these two cause they have different roles? Their roles are to be a close range gun, they both use smg ammo
@@m4TT5 but the MP7 is better paired with a sniper and is more used for longer ranges than the MP5
I agree, I think the MP7 is much much better for use as a primary weapon, but if your use for it is strictly a close range weapon, then the recoil, iron sights, and feel of the gun just don't matter. What matters is how fast you can kill someone up close. The MP5 is vastly superior up close and the MP7 is vastly superior at range.
"Never lose a close range fight." Tell that to the guy with the dual renetti that made me finish 2nd.
@@m4TT5 he literally answered your question in his initial comment dude....
definitely think you should add the aim walking statistics into these gun breakdowns because for me personally, that affects the feel of a gun far more than idle sway or the minor differences in recoil
I've always used the MP5 but recently I've gotten lazy and really loving the hip-fire so I'm trying out the mp7 with pretty much only attachments that helps with hip-fire and it feels great :)
Guys I used the MP7 yesterday and something is off. It's not as strong as before, I lost gun fights to weapons that I KNOW don't kill as fast as the MP7... strange things are afoot in cod land
The reload time rely makes a huge difference to me.
More ammo per mag + quicker reload and a very comparable time to kill against an armoured enemy means the mp7 wins any day for me.
I did some test with the mp7 yesterday and if you use the fss recon with commando foregrip it has a lot less vertical recoil than if you use the fss recon barrel by itself, and that's something strange.
About the magazine size: yes, the MP7 has more bullets, but when you look at total potential damage output per magazine, we get 60*22 vs 45*30, or 1320 vs 1350, so basically identical. So you have the potential to take down the same amount of fully armored WZ opponents, It's just that the MP7 burns through its mag slower at 3.7 seconds vs 3.2 seconds, so it feels longer (or perhaps more forgiving)
Don’t forget to cover how dominant the uzi is with the .41 AE rounds in Warzone. I’ve been having some really good games with the uzi and a FAL.
What’s you’re thoughts on Bizon in Warzone? I think it’s underrated
Kess_18 it doesn’t kill that fast compared to the Mp5 and Mp7 but I’ve heard it has low recoil
@@m4TT5 low recoil? The bizon kicks sooo much with its side to side recoil for me, making headshots pure luck lol
this is IAMPIE welp it sucks then. It had low dps for an smg
@@m4TT5 It's really good in multiplayer because of the reduced health but not in warzone
@@thisisiampie6946 the bizon doesn't kick that much bro. Even without long barrel and compensator
I would agree about the feel, I recently tried to get on the MP5 ban wagon but found myself aiming to high for the first shot and missing then running out of ammo and the reload feels so much slower. In BR Stimulus I constantly have a guy flying back for revenge while I'm in a gunfight with someone else so the lack of ammo and reload time feel like they hurt so much. I keep going back to the mp7
Just started watching your vs series and it's super useful. What's everyone's opinion on the Grau Vs M13. Both with their marksman barrel and monolithic?
I’d like to see a comparison between the P90, and the MP7
The p90 in bo2 was soooo op
cozyBoy_cj there wasn’t a P90 in BO2
@@demontimecj5816lmao u never even played bo2
@@demontimecj5816 I think you mean pdw
Fun fact: IRL a 9mm and a 10mm should be worse against armor then the MP7s 4.6 mm bullet which is basically a miniature Assault rifle bullet. Same also applies for the P90. Smol bullet go vewwy fest and best 4 arnor but IW was like "NUUUUU, DAS 2 OP REEEEEE"
I think this is an excellent video. While ive been going back and forth watching some old gun guide videos and comparing guns this is even better to have the info in 1 video.
I also find it interesting to see changes to your setup on the weapons now that youve been playing awhile. The one thing id love to see incorporated is the ads and handling on the guns based on your setup, ir would help determine some choices we might make in MP.
I think you should cover how far you shot from when you test the recoil of the individuel guns
Mp5: mobility
Mp7: accuracy
They’re both good at their own way
No stock mp7 =Mp5.2
Mp7 has more mobility
Idk what kind of attachment ur using
is anyone eleses video quality stuck at 360p?
yup. horrible
Yes
Don't watch a video so early then
Thats CZcams still processing the video...
Same
Havnt felt it too much myself, but I’ve been hearing since dead zone has been implemented, that horizontal aim assist is bugged or nearly gone, while vertical aim assist is still fine. Possibly something you can make a short video on?
I would've liked a more in-depth look into the attachments. Since you already presented your two builds, it would be cool to see the total influence of the attachment combinations, because the barells and magazines are especially different when it comes to handling stats. Also, with the MP5 you kind of get your basic build with 4 attachments already, making the 5th one an attachment that can be chosen freely
could you do bruen with 60 round mags vs m4? i feel like you can get them to be very similar, but the bruen absolutely blows the m4 out of the water for dps and tkk. even recoil. its slightly less mobile, but with the 60 round mag and skeleton stock, it actually isnt that far off the slow warzone m4 setup
Lets j take a moment to acknowledge him going off in solo trios near the end. Mans had 22 kills and cut the gameplay
It was plunder
Your know what I just thought of? Maybe everyone already knows this, but create a ghost class with Fully Loaded for those times you drop in from the Gulag onto a loadout drop.
Good vids Ace, I would like to see a DMR WZ video, FAL/EBR/Dragonov/SKS
When you notice he has 666k subs.
When you notice that the trend is dead
@@Frosty_V0 thats just right in the forehead lol
every youtuber EVER.. that passed 666k subs .. had 666k subs... its not special...
pretty sure every video ever that came out when 666k subs was reached... had similar comments lol
Well, since SMGs are for CQB I'll stay with the MP5, for range I usually carry an AR, LMG or Snier with the SMG.
Also, please do Grau vs M13, which is in my opinion the other AR most used in Warzone.
I would like to see comparison between unique attachments (like Colossus for Oden or Skeleton folder for AK) and their common cross gun counterparts (Compensator, ADS stock).
I'm using the grip that reduces the recoil on the mp5 and a g.i. reflex instead of the stock... feels amazing
6:38 I've done that so many times
Bruh I relate so much then I die bye it😂
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MP5 and MP7 are like the two cousins competing with each other while their friend MP9 watches from the sidelines.
The VMP smiles from cod heaven at them
this is IAMPIE it smiles from cod hell where it went after BO4
I like these side by side comparison vids. Next id love to see the LMGs PKM vs Bruen Mk9.
I love how you really break it down. Subscribed because you have such a great detailed video! This is awesome.
This is interesting, i play warzone A LOT, have around 80 wins and i always felt like mp7 is superior, iam confident using mp7 as primary but mp5 as primary is a nono, i guess the feeling is also important or its because of the superior recoil on mp7
Nerd
Carson Taylor I play 21-2:00 night times, i have great life between 9-21 outside games too, but thank you
Gabriel TudeRodrigues (2016) lol
Gabriel TudeRodrigues (2016) Ok i will not iam sorry
@@Klujma u dont need to be sorry bro, i think hes trying to say you dont need to explain yourself to him
Mp7 is so good i managed to get the gold camo warzone only
Also i got the grau 5.56 gold
Now im going for the gold AX-50
I thought the challenges only applied for multiplayer? If they changed it that would be nice
Chase Hinton it doesn’t seem to cross progress but if you have the camo on one it’s on the other. It’s weird. You either have to do all the challenges in Warzone or all the challenges in multiplayer
Ludi That is wrong i startet one gun in the free Multiplayer Weekend and finisched it in plunder. But sometimes the progress does Not show but it still counts
Gold on warzone only? Dude you scare me
Same got gold on mp7 first now grau is almost complete next will be ax lmao
Can u try the M4 with 9mm ammo, Merc foregrip, monolithic, no stock, sleight of hand
Thanks for MP5 class setup! I swapped 45 mag for sleight of hand for solos. Just won 2 games back to back. So hyped!
What is the best attachment for ADS time: Stippy Grippy, ADS stock or Tac laser?
No stock / collapsible > tac > stippy grippy
Honestly these SMG's ADS so fast that I'd rather focus on recoil reducing attachments
I use the Grau and MP7. Pls let me know if this class is good together. I tend to get high kill games with it.
If you get high kill games and it works for you, then what does it matter what someone else thinks lol.
Shakie 42 mp5 and Grau would probably be better
Mp7 for me every time, just prefer how it feels like you said, have you already done a grau vs m13 video? They're the 2 AR's I find myself swapping between the most
I know different classes but the new lmg vs the grau. Those seem to be my go to weapons right now. Then maybe the ak47 vs the scar
Ace isn't recommending 'no stock' !? Oh have the times have changed 😂
In regular multiplayer still 😅 just not warzone
@@UnknownStrobes No I know lol, it was more of a joke than anything
MP5/MP7 already ADS's crazy fast anyway
The MP7 just performs better for me. The "feel" aspect you mention is enough to give it the edge.
I made a no recoil build for mp7 so that helps me like it more.
Hey Ace, something to consider for the recoil tests that you touched on when comparing the ax50 and hdr. Visual recoil bounce. Even if the 2 shots in the recoil pattern are close together, if the weapon kicks really far up before going back down, it's harder to use.
I am confused, I thought in a previous video you showed that the integrated mono was not the better option. Just straight up mono suppressor.
U got that wrong
His last videos said that integrated mono increase range by 12.5%, it’s better than mono which is 7.5%
Thx guys had to rewatch it. Sorry Ace
Imo once you can control the little recoil of the mp5 it's a beast, with attachments of course. A great place to learn that control is spec ops. I know these guns are in different categories, but I'd like to see the SKS and FAL. Both are semiautomatic.
Striker 45 would be even better if you can control the recoil
I'd like to see Ram vs M4. Be nice to know how the ADS and recoil compares when both are stacked with attachments. I dont play WZ only MP but I like the way you compare with attachments on and the visual graphs you do with ranges to, which still applies to MP.
Just go into a local game yourself and shoot at a wall to see. It takes a few minutes
servo sec you can’t test damage range shooting at a wall. What you talking about lmao
@@cuckheadmcgee8490 he asked primarily about range, did you actually read that comment?
servo sec you can’t test range by shooting a wall you stupid fuck.
Can you explain how the merc was better? They do two different things so you can’t compare them as just “Better”. Was the commando not improving the side to side bounce enough? Was it easier to stabilization vs control? Thank you
Meanwhile... I’m running around with my aug 😂
it's kinda weird that all them youtubers stopped recommending aug after the slight stealth nerf and it suddenly got no more popular 🤣
Buck Kang it was a negligible nerf too 😂. That’s why you can’t trust these other CZcams’s besides Ace and sometimes driftor
@@eclipsemode176 it has good ttk values, but the mobility is horrendous. if you run the 60 round mag it moves slower than ARs, same with all its long barrels, they make the ADS slower than ARs. it reminds me of the oden in a way. super high dmg, but so slow and clunky that its horrible. also it kicks upwards pretty hard, its not hard to hit enemies and not miss, but close range, if you get dropshotted, its nearly impossible to adjust, because it kicks upwards so much you have to stop shooting to re-aim lower. otherwise as you try to aim lower, the gun just keeps going up, dropshotters fuck up the 556 aug uplcose its not even funny
Aug is too slow for what it is.
The Aug is a great weapon on paper but not in practice. Between the mobility and recoil control, SMGs and M4/Grau just beats it out. It was the first SMG I used and the first one maxed but I never went back after using mp7 and mp5.