Kumena - Best Merfolk Commander Ever? | The Command Zone 195 | Magic: the Gathering Commander/EDH
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Show Notes:
Is Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca the best merfolk commander ever made? Find out, as we take and in-depth look at the deck Jimmy built for the most recent episode of Game Knights.
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For episode 200 you should each show off your collection. I'd like to see how you store and organize your collections. Also show us some of your most prized cards.
Squeaky P Great idea.
This would be amazing!
Please do this.
Squeaky P good idea
Yesss!!!!
8 player game of of commander for ep.200. you guys left out the best part of that song..."darling it's better, down where it's wetter take it from me."
A super episode of game knights, twice the length as normal with your favourite decks
Fairy GoodMüller yup - also make it 8 player
Why not paradox engine? It's such an amazing card but especially so in a deck focused on tapping and untapping.
I built around this commander and I’m so far undefeated with it. I really enjoy playing the deck. Mine is about making them big with +1/+1 counters and making them unblockable.
Howzit guys! I'm an elementary school teacher and I've just found Command Zone and man you guys are awesome! Thanks for having such a clean and clear podcast that I can use to help teach my students Magic strategies. With your help I will be able to train the next wave of EDH masters! Great job!
Building my Simic Kumena deck right now! can't wait to pilot it!
I love my Kumena deck. its drives people crazy in my playgroup. You guys gave me ideas for upgrades.
Do top commanders for each archetype. Ex. Best voltron, control, combo, tribal etc
I like that idea.
Idk how they would do a best tribal commander because they’d have to pick a best tribe or do one for every tribe, but that does sound like a great idea
Idea for an episode: doctor a deck from Game Knights that lost.
Ryan Mueller Game Knights are exclusive rights of Wizards at this point. Sorry!
@@Deathkeeper43 I don't understand what you mean by this, or why it relates to the comment lol
you guys are pumping out vids like crazy thank you so much
awesome! it;s your 200th episode. congrats guys!
Sure Minamo can untap Kumena, but do you know what it can also untap? Gaea's Cradle/Ithlimoc
You can even tap merrow commerce for Kumena
O_O
I didn't even think to do this in my playing the deck so far!
Holy crap that is a sneakily amazing interaction.
And it looks like his ability will put a +1/+1 counter on Merrow Comerce for that Opalescence you can't play in these colors :P
Probably my fave deck I've seen on the show to date :D It's good at adapting to so many situations with that value engine it has
Maybe live game knights whith some epic decks and epic guests for ep 200??
just started buoling kumena commander deck andhere's the vid. thanx a lot!
I'll add to the Untappers section the intruder alarm, with the kumena's draw ability you can draw a buch of cards, just tapping 3 playing 1 and drowing again. Nice show, keep going.
I kinda feel like intruder Alarm would have been good in this deck, especially if you can stack triggers where Merfolk come down and you can double tap stuff.
Josh - the big blue tribal block other than merfolk that you were trying (unsuccessfully) to remember - wizards. (Sure, they're not blue exclusive, but they're definitely ubiquitous in blue.) (Really fun game knights btw, and great to get the associated deck breakdowns so we can see them in action and get to understand some of the ideas behind them.)
At one point they mentioned trying to replace merfolk with vedalken as the signature blue tribe since you couldn't place merfolk on as many worlds. But I think they abandoned that idea. Also vedalken don't really help each other out at all.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that - always kinda pictured Vedalken as limited to one or two planes (guess I never really paid enough attention to how many sets they were in, lol). And yeah, definitely not the most cooperative tribe...
Blue Is heavy in wizards. For episode 200 just play commander on a stream.
Tom Hoggart I thought the same, or make your own tournament out of it or something like that
I might suggest to modify that idea a little bit. Make it 2 headed commander , so you are a total of 8 players ( 4 teams with 2 commanders each ). Would love to see how that turns out :D
Awesome deck tech, and sweet follow up to the most recent Game Knights!
You had a merfolk episode without prof? Is that allowed?
They might get into trouble for this.
Sacrilage
I packed this one yesterday, and my friends were SO jealous like omg it was amazing! XDD
Btw keep on the great work guys I love your content and I fell in love with this channel and MTG the moment I was introduced to the both of them! 💕🙋
Yeah, I made that planeswalker connection too! I wonder if Kumena will have a spark that ignites sometime later in the story, just based on his effects...
A small point about Path of Discovery that I love, its pretty nuts in Sidisi, Brood Tyrant where you can just get 6-7 zombies all in one creature mill trigger.
When you guys were talking about the card that was "probably staple for any tribal deck now" but then went over how blue lacks a lot of tribal themes, I was thinking of how "insects" with the locust god are a "tribe" as a sort of half sarcastic point. And then you revealed the card you were talking about, which is the tribal enchantment thats so good in the Locust god that it legitimately tries to kill you by drawing yourself to death.
so excited to see the commander game with the prof and wedge with their own decks!
Episode idea:
What is your opinion on 1 v 1 commander? I use to have a larger play group years ago but now it's just me and a friend. We love playing, creating new interesting decks. We loosely play by 1 v 1 rules (Sol ring, tops, tutors in decks, 40 life), but we normally have long games because we use cards that are good against each other's decks. Maybe this help guys. Love your show! Keep up the good work!
Ill put my hat in the ring. I think the best thing you guys could do would be going hard with 5 color commanders. What I mean is 4 5 color commanders.
Scion dragon (josh piloting)
Sliver overload (the professor at the helm)
Horde of notions
Allies
This would be very entertaing because of all the different interactions.
Jimmy: Benefactors Draught and vitalize would be pretty awesome in that deck. Seems as though untapping is the biggest thing you need, and there's not much better than tapping to draw cards, casting draught, attacking, and drawing more cards.
I’m currently building a Merfolk tribal Commander deck since I got Kumena in my first booster box of ROI, Thanks for the info and advices
I propose that a game knight with all of the winning decks from all other game knights with the users of those decks if available too. It would be interesting to see how the decks would interact, being form past sets and all, plus just seeing all of the decks back in action would be very cool to watch.
With the Deeproot Waters, if you reach that critical mass and pull out that board wipe before you have dumped all the fish in your hand, thats a win-win. Plus it helps rebuild after the board wipe. I really like it.
Hadana's climb is really good in Ezuri, Claw of Progress where you put all your counters on Wild Beastmaster and then attack full swing. You will have those experience counters by turn 6 with Ezuri's ability.
I would also love to see your guy's edh collections for episode 200!
Great episode guys! I was looking forward to this one. I opened Kumena in my prize packs from the pre-release, and have started making a deck around him. A lot of the base of my deck is from this deck/the deck you used in Game Knights, but I've made a couple of changes.
I currently have Mirror of the Forebears in the deck in addition to Mirage Mirror. A lot of the Merfolk lords are not Legendary, so paying 1 mana to give your Merfolk another boost until end of turn seems good to me. It also works very well with Merrow Reejerey, Seafloor Oracle, Stonybrook Banneret, etc. Getting the abilities on those twice just seems awesome. I also run Murkfiend Leige. Untapping your creatures each turn, in addition to giving your creatures +1/+1 (+2/+2 in some instances, including Kumena) also seems very good. He is also a good creature to copy with Mirage Mirror, since he is not legendary ;)
I'm thinking about trying out Throne of the God-Pharoah in the deck (2 mana legendary artifact. At the beginning of your end step, each opponent loses life equal to the number of tapped creatures you control). Tapping my creatures on my turn seems bad, but with enough cards like Murkfiend Leige/Seedborn Muse, it could be good.
I look forward to reading the comments and getting some more ideas. Thanks again for the content! You two, as well as your team, always do great work. :)
lots of good ideas for my Tish Fish deck!
For the 200th episode I think a game using EDHrec would be fun. Either guess the commander after naming three cards commonly in that deck, or play it in a form of the game Taboo where the other person has to describe the commander and you guess, but there are words you can’t use. (I.e. Commander: Lazav, Taboo: Mill, graveyard, clone, copy, any card names etc.)
Episode 200 Ideas
1. Top Ten Lists of random things you guys do around MTG / playing commander (food, play habits, deck creation rituals, organization tips, whatever)
2. Review some of the top custom created fan MTG cards or provide some of your own card ideas that you would like to see come to a commander deck in the future.
3. Predict and talk about what you'd like to see in the 2018 Commander Pre-con decks
It feels reeaaly good when you know the song the guys are singing in the intro (or.. er.. after intro?) :))
Love the deck and the show! Y'all sold me on commander format and it's been my favorite.
Ep. 200, everyone plays Praetors/all Infect decks. Give Craig a taste of his own medicine! (I love infect)
2 Headed Commander game for Ep.200 could be cool, it'd be interesting to see you guys build decks that compliment and work well together!
Here's an idea for Episode 200: have as many Game Knight guests (along with you two) on to have an epic EDH gauntlet of greatness! But here is the twist: you two start off hosting the show, with the subject belng a deck tech (Deck Drs???) but when a game finishes, the winner replaces one of you two and you join into the new game, cycling through as many guests as possible to host! Also I think a massive Q&A would be quite nice! Just a thought.
I see some people talking about a Game Knights special episode for 200. Maybe a live match/recording of a live match?
I would love to maybe see a long special of Deck Doctoring. You probably have a backlog of decks you could go through.
Or: Get special guests in and have them make a list of top 10 "insert interesting topic here".
OR!: Go back to an old deck tech you made, and update it with cards released since then, if it would make sense to change/update it. Hint Riku with Sunbird's, Rashmi and Maelstrom Wandere ;)
I would love to see a classic command zone as episode 200. Nothing but Classic iconic staples. With the Proff of course and a 4th fan favorite guest.
Couple cards not mentioned that were instant includes to my Kumena build: Curse of Bounty which both benefits your tap/untap and encourages attacks at another player, Quest for Renewal because Kumena can potentially power that up without attacks in a single turn, Murkfiend Liege again for untap and as an anthem for your creatures, and Paradox Engine.
Also I really like Lullmage Mentor both for control if you have a large board, you could just tap 7 merfolk to counter that board wipe, and because counterspells in your hand mean more merfolk, and Vodalian Illusionist to protect one of your creatures.
Episode 200 would be EPIC if you brought on Justin Parnell and Jonathan Suarez from Commander VS as your guests. Fusing my two favorite EDH content chennels.
Matai Richard Bowen Seth (if you mean Seth Manfield aka SaffronOlive) isn't really known for EDH though. I mean, he'd be an awesome guest in general about deckbuilding in general/nifty interactions, but maybe not on the 200th episode celebration of an EDH-specific podcast...
Nobody's talking about Josh's shirt? It's FREAKING AMAZING GUYS!
I think showcasing your best decks is gonna be awesome. Maybe have a guest AND showcase their best decks too.
this deck is very similar to an azami lady of scrolls deck i have and you guys are right surge spanner is that good. also freed from the real sounds amazing in this deck.
An episode of organizing magic collections. Also, show off your collections.
I drafted rivals recently and the very first pack I had had this crazy good commander
29:26 I still play Kindred Discovery in my Ur-Dragon deck, because with the number of discount cards I use (Herald's Horn, Urza's Incubator, Dragonlord's Servant, Dragonspeaker Shaman, etc.), sometimes I do get to drop three dragons a turn. Still very winmore, even for Commander.
Thanks Jimmy! I recently made this deck but subbed a lot to get it down to under 300$. My husband hates it 😂😬
I would love to see you guys play some decks built by your fans.
Idk about best but that last game knights episode jimmy had soooo much synergy with kumena.
Maybe for episode 200 you can have the audience send you deck lists and you can give us suggestions on what to add? It'd be pretty nice for most of us to get some insight on what to add, and itd be a pretty great way to show appreciation to your fans. Not every show gets to episode 200, so keep up the good work!
I love watching jimmy when josh is talking
For episode 200, both of you should do deck techs for your favorite personal decks never featured on the show. I would like to know what makes you have the most fun. Thanks!
Love this deck tech may work around making a commander
For episode 200 make a pentagram commander match (this 5 player version). You can either play mono colourde decks and arrange as the 5 dots on the backside of every magic card or play hydra vs sphinx vs demon vs angel vs dragon.
For episode 200, or any episode for that matter, you should pick your favorite set/expansion/plane in mtg and from it pick a commander. From there build a deck flavored around the set/plane.
As for the special episode, you should play that 5 player commander thing when each has a role that relates to other roles, like Knight, King etc.
Mirage Mirror is the best commander card to hit in several sets!! That card is SO SO good!!! I ordered 3 playsets after playing it a few times now. It goes into every deck from now on. My best use of it lately was copying a turn 4 Kozilek Butcher of Truth, as my opponent's Kozi had summoning sickness, he was helpless to watch when on my turn, I tapped two mana, and swung in... and he had to sac his Kozi and 3 permanents due to its Annihilator 4 trigger. he scooped... It was sick!!!
If you guys are looking for show ideas here are 2 things. They may be pedestrian suggestions but I think people would like them.
1. MORE DECK DOCTORS:
You guys have referred multiple times to how popular they are. I know they're a lot of work but they encompass a couple of great things that I think most of your listeners are into.
- Real deckbuilding discussion within the context of a specific commander.
- Serves as a commander spotlight
- Theorycrafting, theme and synergy discussion
2. Color Pie Videos but about Guilds and Tri-Color
Your mono-color pie videos are great, and included a small afterword for each color combination. They did an awesome job educating about what each individual color is about. The interaction of color pairs is complex enough to discuss in a full video if you guys feel like it. You could overview what the strong synergies are, how they cover each others weaknesses, what the color pair struggles to do, popular archetypes in the color pair, and staple cards in the color pair.
Kumena is a dude. . .love the podcast and you guys!
Love Zombies with Kindred discovery. It's etb so tokens work too
For your 200th, you should bring in all of your Game Knights participants so far to play a massive EDH game, playing all of your own personal decks.
For your 200th episode, you could invite a friend over, and run an Un-birthday game with only Un-set cards used to build the decks. I would suggest you use the three archetype cards as your commanders. Johny, Combo Player, Timmy, Power Gamer, and Spike, Tournament Grinder.
just opened a foil Kumena and a Hadana's Climb from a single pack and saw this episode, thank god
For episode 200 you should talk about your favorite decks and how you came to built them would be very interesting.
Also what's good in you guys meta.
AWESOME DECK JIMMY :P !
I think I'm going to make one!
Dramatic Reversal/Isochron Sceptar Combo would be perfect for this
Was combing through my collection and stumbled on at least one novel find for "Cards that have been errata'd to be Merfolk": Ceta Disciple, which according to one person on gatherer, is on the short list of Temur "sergeants" for "pauper EDH". Unplayable in Kumena (and maybe in commander in general. ymmv), but a neat blast from the past when I was digging for merfolk. I'm thinking I'm going to maindeck Vodalian Merchant and Elephant Grass.
A NON-Merfolk from more recent times that might fit in nicely, given you want to go wide(ish), is Majestic Myriarch. It's not necessarily the best build for the myriarch's abilities, but I love to find niches for the random mythics that found their way into my collection without a home.
For 200 you should play commander with your strongest/favourite decks. Also thanks for making these videos you helped me learn magic and started to play with friends.
For episode 200, you should play with your Athreos/Shadowborn deck on stream, Josh! I built the deck and would love to see the differences in your playstyle and built and mine!
Seahunter is the Merfolk version of Moggcatcher, a Goblin tribal staple :)
Maybe a video on how to get started as a new player in commander?
My favorite Disney movie is actually The Black Cauldron released 1985 XD
As a player with a blue illusion tribal EDH deck, I'll have you know that, that is a thing too.
Episode 200.
A game nights of your favorite decks.
Great Content as alsways :) But i love the chilis-sauce in the background
I still think episode 200 should be a game knights with Craig and another popular person who has been on the show and all play your favorite deck! Not based off anything else or any of that. Each of you should bring a personal favorite deck that you have for your own play and not for the other episodes or things like that. I think it would just be fun for you guys to get together for that and then it will also allow everyone else to get a good idea of how you guys play and see you playing your favorite decks which would be enjoyable for everyone!
I put paradox engine in my deck. Even Though it's pretty expansive, you can have very explosive turns with it: tap 5 merfolk to pump, play a cheap card, untap, tap 6 merfolk draw 2 cards play a merfolk untap buff everything, repeat this proces untill out of mana or untill you win
28:25 Me: "WIZARDS. F'ING WIZARDS." Josh: "I'm probably missing a big one right now." Me: "YES. YOU ARE."
Like I'm sure 90% of the votes are, livestream an actual commander game like commander vs!
We all love game knights, but I want to see an unedited, unscripted game with your favorite decks and playgroup
I would say one of two things. Either do a 6-8 player Commander game on Episode 200, or show off your collection and show us how you store it and organize it. Already suggested, I know, but these sound like the best options to me.
Interesting fact: Adding black to Kumena's color identity would allow more merfolk to be used (11 more) than would white (10 more). That being said white merfolk do care more about merfolk tribal than the black ones.
Edit: These numbers do not account for Changeling creatures.
Summon the School, however, is much more value than most black merfolk, in my opinion.
I agree. I was just adding a little trivia I found interesting since I too, before searching, thought more merfolk had white in their color identity than black. I also hope one day we get an Bant Commander which is a merfolk so we can play all merfolk-relevant effects in the same deck.
Rui Oliveira Yeah there's some good white ones but there's so many good blue and green ones that I would have a hard time making a bant deck lol
Episode 200: Top commander you've never played and never played against, but would love to try. (each of you pic 1 commander, +99, thus a total of 200 cards combined)
For episode 200, it should be a GameKnights where you all play 5 color commanders.
You can run Arcane Adaptation in the deck and make everything(Including that tutor) a Merfolk
For the 200th episode, you should review your first couple episodes, see how far you two have come!
For episode 200, I want you guys to draft a commander cube. Commander Cube is not currently really a thing, but I've got one and it rocks.
For the 200th episode How about sort of a retrospective on how the show has changed your views on the commander format? How you've changed as players. Or perhaps your top favorite commanders?
I like Sygg, River Guide. Kumena is newer one so it's got a lot of hype tho, but you can't mirrorweave the whole board into Lord of Atlantis with it.
If there was enough time to get it together, you should try to get all of the guests you've had on the show and have a big Game Knights tournament
Intruder Alarm makes that third ability more realistic, you can't do thinks like tap three and then drop a fourth to untap them and then tap two more, but if you've got five out you can tap them all and then drop a sixth to untap them. The second ability is better but Intruder Alarm might allow you to actually do the third thing. Also worth mentioning that in the 8th edition version it's got a bunch of merfolk in the art, so as somewhat of a vorthos player I like that a lot.
MASSSSSSSSIVE party with ALL of the past guests! :D
Intruder Alarm seems sweet