Behringer Model D #02 - Eurorack Case Installation
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- In the second video (not the jam videos, I numbered / titled those separately) on the Behringer Model D we look at installing the module into a euro rack case. I did plan on covering this later in the series but as I wanted it in the modular for ease of control/modulation/use in my set up and also to have it next to the Mordax DATA oscilloscope here we go. You remove 8 screws, lift up the panel and then remove two cables/connectors and then add the euro rack ribbon power cable to the module, plug that into your euro rack bus board, screw the module onto the rails and you're off. Simple!
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Thank you for a simple, clear answer to a question that no one else was able to answer for me.
Hi Sidney, it seems a really simple thing to people already into Eurorack and similar gear but I figured this would be a lot of peoples first experience moving modules and these types of things around. Glad it was helpful for you.
Absolutely love that Behringer made the connections idiot proof i.e they only work one way. Same for their modules. Why other companies don't do the same is mystifying. Eliminates the risk of fried modules.
Thanks! Heroe for putting this video up! Much easier to face the task of unscrewing the synth!
Speaking from experience, you should never rely on a manufacturer's orientation of the header box on the board. Sometimes they install the key the wrong way. Without fault protection, you're going to loose a module if the voltage is wrong. Always look at where your pin stripe is.
Well aware of all of that. I'm always careful and check.
Excited to have received mine yesterday. Can't believe I got a gorgeous modularised space saving Minimoog for £235 on Ebay. Wot a no brainer! Glad now I didn't fork out for a Voyager rme with interface boxes, which would've been much bigger & cost a fortune, assuming I could find one! Plan to put in my eurorack setup.
enjoy
70hp.... so it'll fit nicely in a rackbrute above a minibrute 2, yessssss
Yes it would.
That's the reason I watched this video,thanks,I learned some stuff.
Sweeeet. Thanks much for the demo. Think I'm going to try stuffing this into the Waldorf KB37.
plenty of room for others bits in that case too.
Yeah, that should leave approx. 37HP for other bits. Have a Studio Electronics 4075 filter on the way to help "fill the void inside". : )
"help fill the void" haha! :)
I was hoping one day to build up a Minimoog modular with AJH modules, but as at £299 this is not much more than most single modules this may be a no brainer. Must compare specs & facilities. Thanks for video.
well it's definitely nothing like the experience of the full AJH voice but of course this may give you a colour you're looking for.
Yeah actually on reflection I personally would save up for the AJH. It has things like cv pwm , cv resonance , & sync etc.
it's a stunning piece of kit the AJH voice. Really lovely.
Got something that might be of interest David, can you get in touch with me over Facebook, Twitter or email ben_hex (at) hotmail (dot) com
im guessing the same instructions apply for, say, the behringer K-2 as well?
Does anyone know if the LFO depth can be changed when patched out to external gear? My LFO's mod depth is set on both the triangle and square output. The mod depth knob only seems to affect modulation depth on the Model D's internal routing.
Hi, thanks for all your Videos! One question: it is not possible to use the filter itself for other oscillators in the system right?
cheers
Hi Stani,
you can use the external input and turn down the internal oscillators to use the filter with an external source. However that means you loose the ability to use the internal oscillators at the same time and it also means you need to go through the filter and the VCA before hitting the output on the unit.
Yes, you can patch your other oscillators into the "external input" and mix them in through the dedicated attenuator in the "mixer" section. You can still use the Model D oscillators and noise, but they'll all share the filter/envelope settings. Or, you can get a Behringer System 55 Module 904A filter module and add that to your rack for the classic Moog filter sound.
I built an ETI system 80 35 years ago. Now approaching retirement I am back playing with synths. Having bought a few system 100 modules I need a midi to CV/gate converter. Does the model D provide these as a usable output?
Would the Steppa Acid be a good companion for the Model D? I’m looking for a live sequencer.
That's what I was using (in these Model D Jam videos) along with the TiNRS Tuesday module.
wutsup buddy, any idea what kind or WHERE I could source quality noisefree or low noise bus boards affordably and possibly also power supplies if one were say on a budget?
you get what you pay for with power. Go cheap and you're more likely to have noise issues. What have you looked at so far and what's the budget?
Do you think an empty case of the Model D could be used to house a gang of other eurorack modules as a lunchbox?
Not really as there's only a few sliding nuts for the model D itself to screw into it. If you could get the case apart you might be able to sort that out.
Hi ! Thanks for that very useful video !
I’ve done it but then I understand that I won’t be able to change the midi channel anymore.. only be in channel midi 1. Is that right ? Thanks for everything I really love your videos 🙏🏽
@@PatchCable I haven't done it yet, as only put mine in the case today, but the manual says you can send it some sysex to change the midi channel. Will report back
@@anthonyhall2483 Inquiring minds want to know!
Thank you, I was thinking of doing this to my Pro-1...Does the MIDI channel get reset to ch. 1 when you withdraw it from the DIP switch connection?
This is the question that I sought to answer when I chose to watch this video. Did you find an answer?
Is it possible to add a doepfer a-138b on the same psu inside the case of a behringer model-d, wasp or cat? Changing the wall wart power supply to one with the same voltage but more amperage?
Hi Marco, that's not possible as there's no Eurorack power distribution inside the case. Which would need a busboard of Eurorack power connectors to connect more modules.
Sounding a bit daft here, but the case the model D came in, is that not a nice portable eurorack unit ready for some unloved modules to be installed and with it's very own PSU if using a splitter?
Hello, it could be but there's no Eurorack style power in there. As it doesn't use the 16 or 10 pin euro power cable for it's own power supply. It might be possible to break it out somehow. I'd be interested if anyone had a solution.
KId so,we can use the Midi interface of the "D" for our Euro-racks..?
No. There's no CV, gate output for the USB/MIDI.
Of course....im s..d!
no worries. Would definitely be a nice feature. But ... Neutron has a tonne of patch points if you're interesting in a little Behrigner synth.
no problems with the specified 1000mA power consumption of the Model D? Does it really take so much? My Arturia 6U can handle only 1600mA max...
I've had it in a Doepfer case with no issues and also a case with Meanwell power supplies with no issues. I don't have a way to measure it. You want to stay below 100% of the power supply so you're not starting to strain anything. However ... best option would be to just keep it out of the rack. Second option use the external power supply and just leave a small gap at the side of the unit to take the power cable into the case.
thanks man, would take 70HP of space anyway so I´ll let it outside for now.
outside the case is better I reckon.
@@DivKid I have a power conditioner that measures Amps and with its 3 VCO on and sounding its consumption is about 0.10- 0.11 (100-110mA) even if its double that its still boggles me why it says its maximum consumption is 1000mA
Thanhs for sharing this vid DK. wow cant bekeive how small the board is . Do you think you would need to destatic yourself first before handling the board.
Your modular is one mean machine btw✌✌
Hey Adamski, I don't think so. I know some that wear the anti static bands but I haven't and I haven't had any issues.
DivKidVideo Ok kool thanks for the info on that subject :-)
You can always ground yourself by touching the bare metal part of a case of something you have that you know to be grounded if you're worried, but I've never had issues either way
Ycros Yes very true i guess the metal chassis of D could discharge any static.
Can you do this for the Neutron as well?
me make a video about it?
@@DivKid Yeah, haven't seen any detailed videos on moving the neutron. I'm wondering about the audio jacks and the usb port if that dtill can be usable in a custom case.. and so on. would be great to see it get frankensteined anyway :)))
noted I might do some Neutron stuff at some point.
What is that second 2 wire cable that you didn't use?
"Second 2 wire cable" I don't know what you mean. Can you tell a specific point in the video you can see it and I'll happily go through it with you.
@@DivKid on my Model D there is a long 2 wire, red and black wire that is attached inside the box to the board that is the back panel.
I ended up (last night) fabricating an aluminum panel so that I could use the back panel board in my Eurorack. I figured since it's 1000mA, which takes up most of a Row Power 30, I might as well use the wall wart from the Model D, and still retain the midi switches and the 1/4 in outs that it came with.
With a piece of aluminum, a belt/wheel sander, and an 80 year old drill press I made the plate in about 2 hours..
I mounted it to the left of my Model D, right below the Raw Power 30 that powers the rest of the rack.
If I had a much larger power supply in this case I might not have done this, but using most of a Row Power and having to buy another one mainly for just this, it would have added ~$100 to the rack for no reason.
Sounds like a great idea and something I imagine a lot of people (including me) would like to have.
@@DivKid It's the cable being disconnected at exactly 1:05 in the video. Once disconnected, can I safely ignore that connection putting my Model D into the Eurorack case? In other words, is the ribbon cable the only thing I'll need to connect to the new case?
one case fits all kind of thing?
What do you mean Gary? Does one modular case fit this thing? Or?
What are you going to do with the empty case now?
Ed Random Use it for storing patch cables 😅😅
Not sure Ed. Doesn't have threaded strips to put other modules in and doesn't have a bus board / power for eurorack etc. Would make a nice little case other wise.
nice cable box!
The e370 is going back in the rack ofc
my first thought was will the empty case power a few overspill modules? Using a flying bus cable of course. Does it look as though some threaded strips could be added somehow? I'm sure people will find a way., I know I will try.
So the question is... If I put the Model D in my modular, can I still use the empty case to fit some modules in it...? Hmmm
there's no power in the case for your modules. So you'd have to put a uZeus, Row Power etc in there. You'd also need more sliding nuts in the rails as there isn't any spare.
i want to buy a moslab filter as i really like the sound - i am a bit
strapped for cash so cant afford a full moslab system - can i somehow
plug my behringer model D into a moslab filter and use the boogs osc and amp ? thanks to anyone who can help
Answered on your other comment but I'll quote below ...
"you can't take the oscillator out then into the filter. You'd need the mixer VCO levels up full for the mix out to work but then the external input (after going from mix out to the Moslab) would mix with the VCOs again before hitting the filter."
thanks for your answer - someone else said it would be ok as long as filter was fully open - im looking at buying a full kit now , but its exp
it wouldn't work if the filter was fully open.
You'd still have a mix of the oscillators directly going through the wide open filter and not just the moslab. There's no way to turn up the VCOs on the mixer and take their output and separate that from the external input.
You could patch the output of the Behrigner with it's filter fully open straight into the moslab then out of the moslab elsewhere.
thanks for your reply again :-) - v kind. I thought i could just mix the vcos via the model d - and put it into the moslab and have a system on the cheap. may need to save up then. thanks. have good eve
usb and midi are bypassd after EU rack useage ---> pitty.
No. I thought so too at first, but then I read the manual. Try midi channel 1. It can be changed. instructions are on pg. 32 of the manual. 👍🏽
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