The Miniature Panasonic Toughbook From 1999 - Does It Work?
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Today we're taking a closer look at the Panasonic Toughbook CF-M33 that was recently sent to me by Alex! This small form factor laptop weighs just over 2 pounds and is about the size of 2 floppy disks in length. Let's see if it works!
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So as it turns out, the 1962 error code is due to the machine not having an OS to boot off of. I initially thought that it was asking for a boot/startup disk, but it's actually a hard drive related issue. Followup video coming soon!
EDIT: Here it is! czcams.com/video/BVUVoh4Ul4s/video.html
Should be able to load up a CF card to replace the hdd presuming it is dead, also worth noting currently (the day after your video was published) there are a handful of cf-vfdu01 floppy drives available online starting around $10 USD. Looking forward to your follow-up.
YAY I'M EARLY CANT WAIT FOR THE FOLLOW UP
and at least some viewers like myself where correct that the Hard drive was disconnected luckily i can't wait to see the followup video when it comes out i'm so stoked to see it
LOL This thing has an actual IBM BIOS. The drive it refers to will almost definitely be the "internal" drive (i.e. the one that uses the special connector on the Port Replicator).
If you take it apart to get the Motherboard number, sometimes you can go by that to get more info as I have done that before
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1962 is error "none operating system found"
Edit: thanks for 60 likes
I just knew there was no operating system having looked at LGR videos
It's not necessarily asking for a floppy disk. It's mostly because the internal hard drive has not bootable OS. Try to install Windows 95 on the drive plugged to a PC using VMware, then put it back on the laptop
Already planning a followup video : )
I would've went straight to the bios, and set it to boot directly to the hard drive. if it even has an OS, or if it even has a hard drive to begin with. Because when he went to the boot menu in the bios near the end of the video, it was automatically set to boot from the floppy drive first, not the hard drive. Also if there isn't a bootable OS. It might be asking you to put in a bootable flashed OS floppy disk in like a internal floppy drive, because the thing is a lot of the time yes the bios does tend to scan, and detect all drives, even all external devices, but it doesn't automatically execute, like boot from those external drives, it will only do that if one of the external devices was set to boot from the user. The bios will automatically only execute to the internal devices like a hard drive, or an internal floppy drive, or an internal optical disk drive depending on what boot option was set from the user, or automatically set. It's weird but that's how they are programed, and coded. Doesn't matter if it's a Legacy, or UEFI type of bios. That's a Legacy type of bios, knowing the age of the computer. UEFI is seen in a lot of later newer computers.
@@MichaelMJD I would've went straight to the bios, and set it to boot directly to the hard drive. if it even has an OS, or if it even has a hard drive to begin with. Because when you went to the boot menu in the bios near the end of the video, it was automatically set to boot from the floppy drive first, not the hard drive. Also if there isn't a bootable OS. It might be asking you to put in a bootable flashed OS floppy disk in like a internal floppy drive, because the thing is a lot of the time yes the bios does tend to scan, and detect all drives, even all external devices, but it doesn't automatically execute, like boot from those external drives, it will only do that if one of the external devices was set to boot from the user. The bios will automatically only execute to the internal devices like a hard drive, or an internal floppy drive, or an internal optical disk drive depending on what boot option was set from the user, or automatically set. It's weird but that's how they are programed, and coded. Doesn't matter if it's a Legacy, or UEFI type of bios. That's a Legacy type of bios, knowing the age of the computer. UEFI is seen in a lot of later newer computers.
Also, looks like the BIOS that the Toughbook uses is an IBM PS/2 BIOS, because the insert floppy diskette is similar to the IBM PS/2 one
@@leap123_ Well I wouldn't say that it's completely identical, but I would say that it is definitely based on the same code interface, just modified a bit.
First two errors when the laptop was powered on were caused by a dead CMOS Battery. The screen you were getting was indicating to boot to an MS-DOS boot disk. A laptop of this vintage will not have the ability to boot to a USB device. You will need the floppy drive that came with the laptop, then you will be able to boot to Windows 95/98 startup disk. Hopefully this helps!
(11:09) I swear, I've seen that same "insert diskette" screen on ThinkPad models from around the same time or earlier! 🤔
That would explain the IBM BIOS that this machine has.
I definitely have seen that screen before... no clue what it is or where I've seen it though.
It's got to be asking for a boot disk.
Maybe the hard drive was wiped before being sold or the drive is otherwise unbootable.
As for the USB floppy drive, the BIOS may not support booting from USB floppy drives or may require a BIOS configuration change to do so.
Also F1 is the standard BIOS "I've read this message, continue booting" hotkey.
1962 is probably an error code, my guess is the error code for being unable to locate a bootable OS.
As you surmised getting a floppy drive that connects to the rear connector is probably the best bet. I'd suggest getting a boot disk ready with an MSDOS command prompt (I forget if the Win95 boot disk does this if it can't boot to Windows) and some disk scanning/recovery tools to check out the hard disk to see if it's usable. I'd expect you'll have to at least install Windows from scratch.
Yup, this is your typical early-ish IBM Bios. And you really need the official floppy drive that connects to it. USB is not going to work outside of windows.
Heck, USB storage isn't even going to work within any Windows older than 2k/ME unless you install a universal storage driver :).
F1 just means 'after you put a floppy in press f1'.
It's a bit like the macos 7/8/9 era 'bootable disk not found' thing. It's always a floppy with a question mark, even though it's telling you there is no bootable OS on the harddisk.
Yeah, Panasonic licensed the BIOS from IBM for some of their ToughBooks during this time. In fact, I think another CZcamsr just covered a ToughBook with an IBM BIOS very recently. Different ToughBook model though. I won't post a link (not sure if I even can) as I don't want to advertise another channel here.
That screen suggests it has an IBM BIOS. It tells you to insert a boot disk.
That BIOS screen asking for a boot disk was originally used on the 1987 IBM PS/2 line. Strange to see Panasonic using an exact copy of it 12 years later!
Also on IBM servers (p3 and p4 based xeons) and the pc300gl. The ext floppy connector is also similar to the ones used on my IBM laptops.
Yea... that BIOS looks exactly like the good old IBMs
I'd like to see a video on that Pong game. There were a lot of interesting reinterpretations of classic arcade games around that time like PS1 Frogger and Pac Man World. I used to play Dig Dug Deeper on PC all the time as a kid.
Jedi mind trick- "This is not the laptop you are looking for".
Also funny comment!
It’s a protective Laptop, and yes… it works.
dropped one of these on my neighborhood head, now he's suing me for "mental and physical damages" 😂😂
Is that an AVGN reference
"Port replicator" has to be the most sci-fi name for a laptop dock, ever.
Thats a standard IBM bios licensed by panasonic, so its asking for any startup disk. Throw a windows image on the internal drive and you should be good to go. Adrian's Digital Basement recently got a toughbook that did the same thing.
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We've assured the administration that nothing will go wrong
Not sure if I'm remembering things correctly but that screen asking for a bootdisk/floppy looks similar to ones on IBM PS2 (i think) that LGR showed in his vids
Edit: Just checked LGR's vid on the PS2 Model 25 and I was correct that it was similar
I knew I saw that somewhere before, I image, they is a problem with the hard drive.
Yep, and it was also on a number of ThinkPad models from the mid 1990s too, including the 760 series.
I own a 760XD; can confirm
The US military uses toughbooks almost exclusively for day to day operations out in the field on on ships. I used ones that looked like these on the three subs I served on. They survived water, hydraulic oil, excessive heat etc. (I remember on one boat there was a laptop Lan station next to the main engines in ERUL port side. Good times.
Woah Nice, didn’t know there was a miniature version of a thoughbook. Also Great video! 👍 😊
I found this online I guess,
The 1962 error code can occur for a number of reasons. In some cases, it has to do with a faulty HDD or SATA cable connection. Other times error 1962 can be due to a corrupt startup or the wrong BIOS settings. ... You should also check the cables of your device and make sure they are all connected properly.
nice
@@yourmom_544 or no operating system on floopy
There's also the fully rugged CF-M34 that's slightly bigger at 8.4"
And there's coming up the version called Howeverbook
You are killing it again, Michael!
I have that external drive, that works. But i don't know how much will shipping from Poland cost
I'm moving from Poland to the US in July. I could take it with me, and mail it from the US once I get there.
There is probably no OS on the drive, and the F1-12 probably means floppy disk 1-12. It may be asking you to install a OS. Not sure though.
I was looking for this comment was going to type it myself..
Looking forward to the Pong video! I used to play that game a lot when I was a child.
The 'pamphlet' with specifications is usually referred to as a datasheet :)
I remember I also owned a disc of pong the next level but I forgot it. You mentioning it just sparked that nice memory of it about a decade ago
Awesome video, Michael!
Thank you!
they didn't get rid of the numpad, they just incorporated it into the keyboard, enable numlock or hold FN to access them, they're the blue keys.
True, but there isn’t a dedicated numpad to the right of the keyboard, which is what I meant.
@@MichaelMJD okay, yeah. I really prefer the embedded keypad, especially in smaller laptops, means apps that require a numpad have one, and you're not cramping the keys just so you can have one.
Its a nice collection of old electronics that you have. Me, I even have an old RCA camcorder that I bought new from WalMart back in May of 2000 and still works fine today and even one of the nickel cadmium battery packs still holds a charge for about 1 hour of recording or playback. It still uses the old VHS-C tapes. The only problem with using it today is, well its just not practical at all, since we now have all kinds of cameras on smartphones that can record video a lot better than a vhs camcorder can. The very last time that I used it for anything practical was when I graduated highschool on May 20th, 2002. After that, I just had it stored in a closet for many years. Its still incredible that the battery pack still holds a charge after 21 years later from when I bought it. I also remember when I recorded a video of it and then actually was able to convert it and transfer it to the PC back in September of 2000. I remember that was about the same time that Microsoft released Windows ME which I think was the first version to come with movie maker.
Hope you will find your way through.Michael. This looks like a really sweet machine. I have a Toshiba Libretto from almost that vintage (slightly older, I guess), stored somewhere, and I'm feeling guilty about not trying it out. Definitely, I'd be proud to showcase it if I were to start a CZcams channel.
Takę it apart, replace hdd with the cf-hdd adapter cause it seems the hdd's dead and you'll have to get the floppy drive to be able to reinstall the OS.
so early I love Michael MLD's videos
Someone get on sending him the right floppy disk drive, lol. I want to see the machine boot into Windows. Perhaps from there you can do your classic upgrading it to future OSes as a cool followup video? :P
Watching from my Panasonic Toughbook CF-31 (MK5)! Always like seeing what others think of these tough little machines.
Edit: The touchscreens on most Toughbooks, as far as I know, and definitely from the time of the pre-2000's, are likely to be a resistive type touchscreen. If you get 95/98 running on that thing, you should be able to get that screen working.
yet my 21st century acer laptop doesn't have a touchscreen
@@socialix_ Got damn 💀
A parallel port floppy drive sure would be handy for this. Even if you just use it to get MS-DOS installed, you can then get INTERLNK / INTERSVR working through a null modem cable hooked to another PC to transfer the contents of, say a Windows 95 CD, and then install from the internal hard drive.
Or you could go the route of the 13-floppy version of Windows 95 as I did on a PS/2.
i like watching ur vids they are very chill :3
The fact that bios didn't support usb boot till about 2003 is whats hammering you
oh yeeeeeeeeah being early in an mjd video, noice.
it looks like you can use a coin to do those screws up too.
I love old compact laptops,they were so clever
Adrian's Digital Basement posted a video about a Toughbook recently and that insert floppy screen is because of the IBM BIOS (and the disk drive shown is a PS/2 one, iirc). It's showing this because there's no bootable disk drive, you probably need to format its hard disk (or maybe it's not working/missing).
Wow , I have only had the Normal sized ones , I Learned something from the Video . Thank you :) QC
USB floppy drives don't run without a driver. In the bios, set "HDD -> FDD" instead, save, then reboot. If still no bootup then yes, you need to find a way to connect a floppy or CD drive to it so that you can format and install windows 95.
(I did not see if that DELL floppy drive cable can be removed from the drive itself, but if you can then you might be able to get a cable that can work that has different pins)
Watching this video at work as I’m changing out the lcd on a CF-33.
id love to do a product test on this panasonic mini toughbook michael mjd
I love this old 90s and 2000s technology, but I was curious what is the best way to start a nice little collection of laptops and how would you maintain the integrity of such aging hardware? You would think with age comes decay but your collection is remarkably pristine, I've watched many of your videos. Liked and long subbed! Ever considered getting a join button for your channel?
I live for that “ooooehhhhh” at 11:49 lol
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
That serial number confirms that the unit was manufactured in May of 1999. First digit is year, and the letter right after is the month. 9 for "99" and E for "5th month".
HAHA another video full of problems in middle, Great video! :)
As others have already said, that's just the "No bootable disks have been found" error, but I would just like to make a little suggestion of something that might be very helpful when working with these ultra-compact laptops. Get yourself a PCMCIA floppy drive, most of these laptops are set up to boot from PCMCIA either from a floppy drive, or even sometimes they can be booted from a CF Card adapter.
That looked like an IBM PS/2 boot floppy screen... I think...
laptop from back then were a pain to get up and running. they didn't make the bios be able to boot from anything but the HDD or a floppy. had a think pad from around then and all i had was the cdrom and i couldn't set the bios to boot from the cd rom. finally was able to find someone who had the floppy drive for it and they let me borrow it so i use the windows boot disk to get windows installed.
I really want one of these.
According to an archived newspaper from The Gazzette in Montreal Quebec Canada, the price at launch was $1499 (possibly USD, maybe CAN) for your exact build. Unfortunately the paper is behind a paywall, but I did get the summary from the article from my search.
This is great! Thanks so much for the info
Second also my cover for my tablet wasn't letting me tap things mostly with then backspace button.
I can probably get the data regarding release date, price, etc if you'd like. I do have some internal contacts at panasonic on the toughbook/toughpad side of their business.
That floppy drive connector on the Toughbook looks similar to the one on my IBM ThinkPad 570e
Bro your amazing
I just check on eBay the floppy disk and there is one on sell if you want to try it.
I faced a similar problem with an IBM ThinkPad 600e though I don't remember the exact code number problem. I resolved it by removing the old/dead CMOS battery and replacing it with a new one
Panasonic licensed IBM's bios. That floppy animation is the IBM "insert bootable disk" message.
Michael it's because the hard disk has no boot sector.
Some old laptops like this, had a fancier visual cue for the usual screen "Non-system disk or disk error".
That floppy disk screen isn't a program, it's basically the BIOS saying there is no bootable OS on the hard drive. I believe some earlier IBM computers also used a similar error screen. You would need to find a floppy drive that connects to the floppy connector because the laptop is too old to have USB boot support. Another way of getting an OS on there would be to remove the hard drive and copy the windows installation files on to it from another computer.
iirc my old ThinkPad A20m shows that same screen without the hard drive so I guess is either a blank or dead drive
That floppy connector looks a whole lot like one on a Fujitsu stylistic portable which I just sold a floppy drive for one of those a month ago on eBay but it looks identical to the same connector.
Ah yes, The Panasonic Tufbook!
5:17 Although the generic name for a dongle of that type is, as we all know, port replicator, in this case is the port interface, as there are hardly any ports in the machine to begin with!
Hopefully someone sends our man Michael the Toughbook External Floppy Disk drive! I'm certainly looking forward to see how this thing works.
that is the problem with old systems they don't recognize at boot any thing from USB you need to find the external floppy disk that is compatible with that port
1962 for the most part seems to be a no os found error, could the hdd be dead?
I have a NIB TWK4132 keyboard that is likely for the CF-M31 and CF-M32, and looks like your CF-M33 keyboard, but I'd like to see what your reverse side of your keyboard looks like if you get a chance. The one I have has two ribbons in the top back of the keyboard that go down, and turn at right angles.
Either you'll need that external Floppy, or if the hard disk is a 44 pin IDE you could use an adapter to at least load up setup files for Windows 95 onto the hard disk and make it bootable if you want to use this for anything.
You know, even today (though it's less of a surprise today with USB-C being the standard and only 2 of those being common themes on laptops) though ports like this on the unit itself are likely not going to be an issue. Even today, the markets for the Toughbook is for field work-construction, survey work, the like, areas where the machine is likely going to take a severe beating and a more rugged build is needed. Out there in the field, I don't see you really needing to connect a mouse or monitor to it, so the lack of ports on the machine are not really an issue. In the case where you're working in the office and you need to plug in a keyboard, that's where the port extension will come into play. This theme continues today-Panasonic today only really throws on one USB-C, 1 USB-A, audio in/out, HDMI (likely mini HDMI), dual SIM, and likely a fold-up RJ45 Ethernet connector. The keyboard dock has become the port extension.
And yes, I do realize that we've got more ports on the tablet today then we did in 1999. Most of how we connect things to out devices makes that much more easy today than it did 20 years ago. But compared to what most laptops today have, it's still a very slimmed down selection compared to most Windows laptops. Panasonic however still continues to build these things to be rugged field machines. What's more is that they're not just limiting the Toughbook name to just laptops now-they are by design now also tablets, and also have made the Toughbook line as a phone, or a handheld, as they call it.
That pc is desperately asking for an OS 😂
It feels weird seeing how almost every toughbook ever is somewhat easy to find online, but barley anyone except a select few ever talk about the Panasonic Toughbook CF-45 and it’s super tricky to find for sale. Why, I don’t know.
(This little machine appears to be just as elusive as the CF-45)
haven't ever came to a video so fast!
You got a 3DS XL? Homebrew video possibly?
I would love a modern laptop of that size. I really hate how huge they are nowadays, especially with this widescreen thing :/
If you can pull the HDD out you can try installing DOS on it using another computer and also put the Windows 98 setup file in there, then you can boot from the hard-drive to DOS and install Windows.
The new computer in mjds collection:Panasonic toughbook
I would've went straight to the bios, and set it to boot directly to the hard drive. if it even has an OS, or if it even has a hard drive to begin with. Because when you went to the boot menu in the bios near the end of the video, it was automatically set to boot from the floppy drive first, not the hard drive. Also if there isn't a bootable OS. It might be asking you to put in a bootable flashed OS floppy disk in like a internal floppy drive, because the thing is a lot of the time yes the bios does tend to scan, and detect all drives, even all external devices, but it doesn't automatically execute, like boot from those external drives, it will only do that if one of the external devices was set to boot from the user. The bios will automatically only execute to the internal devices like a hard drive, or an internal floppy drive, or an internal optical disk drive depending on what boot option was set from the user, or automatically set. It's weird but that's how they are programed, and coded. Doesn't matter if it's a Legacy, or UEFI type of bios. That's a Legacy type of bios, knowing the age of the computer. UEFI is seen in a lot of later newer computers.
This reminds me on my IBM NetVista PC
I have one of these running windows 98. Great little machine, mine just needs a replacement motherboard as it has a busted keyboard connector on the board that's also missing some pads that run to the inner pcb layers. Been searching ebay for years for a parts machine.
If you need windows 98 for this machine, let me know and i can image mine and send it your way.
That would make a great Haiku OS laptop.
11:08 I think its saying that it cant boot from the HDD so you need to insert a floppy disk. The HDD might of fell off the connector, The HDD could also be dead, Or it was wiped.
A PC this old won't be able to boot from any USB device, nor will the touchscreen work. That needs the appropriate BIOS-level drivers to be loaded, and I highly doubt any manufacturers included those in their BIOSes before around 2005. So you'll probably need that floppy drive that came with the laptop to make everything work.
That machine is way too old to boot from USB. Put the hard drive in another system, format the drive with /s, copy the win95 setup files to the hard drive, move the drive back to the laptop and just run setup that way. You would also want to copy a USB driver.
That FDD plug looks like if not similar to the Toshiba's of the same age. If it is the same though who knows if it is wired the same.
7:17 "May explode, not a malfuction"
PCMCIA is the answer. Unlike USB, PCMCIA devices should be accessible to the BIOS - this includes CF memory cards / hard drives, and a PCMCIA floppy drive, and possibly even a PCMCIA CD/DVD drive. Replacing the hard drive will also make your life easier.
Why not to take out HDD and make it bootable on other PC? Or maybe use CompactFlash to PCMCIA adapter with bootable CF-Card?
You need to try a PCMCIA FDD.
I think this laptop might have an IBM bios on the motherboard, that's why the Insert Floppy Disk shows up.
Feels like IBM relabeled and remanufactured with the bios and floppy disk port seeming to be similar to that of IBM thinkpads. would not be surprised if it it shared parts with the 380XD which has the same cpu and ram or maybe it is a rejected version of the thinkpad 240 which was released in 1999 and had at least a Pentium 2 but were of comparable size.
This laptop isn't sold as a Toughbook in Japan, it's part of there consumer My Book line that all has there round touchpad.
Makes me wonder if the HDD even works. Everyone seems to think it's just not bootable or formated, but my gut tells me the HDD has failed and its defaulting back to the floppy. It's probably too old to be able to boot to USB. If it were me I'd pull the drive and test it. If it's OK install a boot sector and the Win 95 (OSR2 with USB support, of course) setup files and try a setup.If it isn't swap it out and rinse, repeat. I'd be curious if there was a later BIOS revision that enabled USB boot.
After switching to different headphones, I keep hearing annoying ticking in the background. Your clock? It's only heard on your video.
Ironic that the second headphones are Panasonic too. First were LyxPro (was testing EQ).
portable computing back then was a bit cooler than the laptops of today ngl. yeah we have full on desktop capabilities on laptops but not cool laptops like that
That would have been considered a really thin laptop back then without the floppy or CD ROM built in like that
This happened to me on my IBM think pad 770 happened when I took the hard drive out.
It's not necessarily asking for a specific floppy disk, somebody must have tinkered around with the bios, and set the boot device to floppy disk. Either that, or the hard drive isn't bootable.
Only thing i can say is check Adrian's channel. Your trouble booting seem very similar.
Panasonic Toughbook CF-25
The floppy screen is similiar to thinkpad screen. This means laptop cant find a operating system, also 1962 means no bootable drive found. So best thing will be a plug it hdd with installed OS, try install ms dos and then windows