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Thank you for making these videos. It takes alot of time to make and set up gel blocks and everything else involved. Thank you. My daughter likes to shoot but is very recoil sensitive. These vids are a big help in choosing the right ammo for the job. I hope you have some 62gr gold dot and trophy bonded to try. I have some of that and would like to see the results. Thanks again. Loved the 30-30 stuff also. Maybe 35 rem corlok and hornady gummy tips?
I went through my shot log and I found that I tested velocity of the Hornady Superformance 5.56 NATO with a 55gr GMX bullet, the predecessor to the CX bullet. Using a 20” barrel with a 1-12 twist, I got an average velocity of 3223 fps.
I just shot some 50cx today, hand loads out of a ar15 18" barrel using cfe223 and I got 3101 fps avg, hornady 4dof says at 100 yards my velocity is 2671 and energy at 100 is 792#s. Planing on using these on a doe this coming season
Interesting. Really impressive but wound cavity is so weak but would do the job. I enjoy seeing the mini action demos. 350 legend, 300 Bo, 7.62x39 6.5 Grendel.
Not terrible but if I go with these I am going 55. I am not overly impressed with small & short wound channel. Good shot placement at closer range. Thank you.
55gr is the minimum weight allowed in some states for deer hunting. Also, since copper is less dense than lead, copper projectiles tend to be longer than cup and core bullets of the same weight.
Bullet weight and velocity are nice to have but shot placement and shooting within effective range are the key factors to ethical hunting. I know an old timer that would pop (does, fawns, spikes) with .22 shorts at night because it was hard to hear the shot. He always aimed for the neck and would recover the deer every time. It wasn’t until he bought a .270 Winchester rifle, started hunting legally, and started taking lung shots, shoulder shots, and heart shots that he ran into trouble tracking his deer. Know your limits, the limits of your rifle/scope, and the limits of your cartridge/ammunition. Don’t go for a shoulder shot with a 50gr .223. Go for the neck.
I suspect the four petal design, lends itself to the good penetration characteristics. Does more of a broadhead effect versus the classic instant mushroom that acts like a parachute. Think either these or the Barnes would serve a hunter well in this caliber
In my experience, the issue is with a dirty barrel from traditional ammo. I haven’t run into issues shooting just the same copper ammo, and starting with a clean barrel. I don’t find this to be an issue, except with an AR15 that I’m switching back and forth between cheaper fmj/bthp at the range and Barnes TSX. Makes me not want to shoot copper in the AR15, as I also don’t believe scrubbing on the barrel with copper solvents all the time is good on the barrel.
Your old Browning's 1 x 12" is the same as M16A1 so 55 gr or lighter should be fine, as long as your individual barrel likes it. As u said, the copper solids are a bit finicky
So one thing about coppers. They don't have a massive permanent wound channels but they carry the wound channels they do make much deeper acting like a ninja bullet blender.
@@sayimsgt4953 yeap personal experience shooting deer and hogs with both bonded and copper bullet types. I love both and both have their place but copper just hits different and cuts a hell of a wound channel. I shoot the barnes 110gr tac-tx in my 300blk and the barnes 129gr LRX and hornady 130gr CX in my 270win. Also other copper tests on targets. Vortex nation does some great videos testing them.
the 50gr has a terrible BC and is slower. probably useful if you have a 1:12" twist rifle. those rifles will have longer barrels. They probably loaded that shorter bullet with slower powder to take advantage of that longer barrel. Probably lost a ton of velocity with your short barrel.
From my experience with both copper and lead.. copper penetrates much farther and holds together. Game usually runs after shot.. lead blows up more and I get allot more dropped game on impact. Negative is you have lead in all the meat because it explodes into it.
Copper bullets keep lead out of the GUT PILES and no extra lead in your CHILDREN either. Those wound channels from a tiny 22 bullet: seems fine to me. .223 for deer? WHY?
This stuff would be very expensive for target work, I’d go with whatever’s cheapest for that, unless you’re talking about precision stuff, in which case you would have to try a bunch of stuff to see what your rifle shoots the best
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Thank you for making these videos. It takes alot of time to make and set up gel blocks and everything else involved. Thank you.
My daughter likes to shoot but is very recoil sensitive. These vids are a big help in choosing the right ammo for the job. I hope you have some 62gr gold dot and trophy bonded to try. I have some of that and would like to see the results. Thanks again. Loved the 30-30 stuff also. Maybe 35 rem corlok and hornady gummy tips?
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I went through my shot log and I found that I tested velocity of the Hornady Superformance 5.56 NATO with a 55gr GMX bullet, the predecessor to the CX bullet. Using a 20” barrel with a 1-12 twist, I got an average velocity of 3223 fps.
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You can 💩💩on the street in CA but you better not dare shoot a lead bullet. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Ok there’s a good reason for the lead free.
Only hunting
@@DocOmaley98lead comes from the ground. Your recycling.
California is such a shithole state (politically) 😂
Blahshahahah! That is funny and so true!
That’s good stuff! 😊I like the 55 gr. Best ! Thanks for sharing this video! 😊
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I just shot some 50cx today, hand loads out of a ar15 18" barrel using cfe223 and I got 3101 fps avg, hornady 4dof says at 100 yards my velocity is 2671 and energy at 100 is 792#s. Planing on using these on a doe this coming season
That is a nice looking rifle, looks to be smooth as glass.
Our group has been hunting deer together for over 30 years. Private and public lands. None of us have ever seen anyone using the .223 for deer.
I've seen it used. One of my good buddies swears by it and I've seen him drop some trophy bucks with 223.
Its not a super popular choice but it does get the job done with proper shot placement and bullet performance
Great video thanks sir
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Interesting. Really impressive but wound cavity is so weak but would do the job. I enjoy seeing the mini action demos. 350 legend, 300 Bo, 7.62x39 6.5 Grendel.
Not terrible but if I go with these I am going 55. I am not overly impressed with small & short wound channel. Good shot placement at closer range. Thank you.
Never have had any luck with good accuracy using the superformace ammo in any caliber I've shot it in
55gr is the minimum weight allowed in some states for deer hunting. Also, since copper is less dense than lead, copper projectiles tend to be longer than cup and core bullets of the same weight.
Bullet weight and velocity are nice to have but shot placement and shooting within effective range are the key factors to ethical hunting.
I know an old timer that would pop (does, fawns, spikes) with .22 shorts at night because it was hard to hear the shot. He always aimed for the neck and would recover the deer every time.
It wasn’t until he bought a .270 Winchester rifle, started hunting legally, and started taking lung shots, shoulder shots, and heart shots that he ran into trouble tracking his deer.
Know your limits, the limits of your rifle/scope, and the limits of your cartridge/ammunition.
Don’t go for a shoulder shot with a 50gr .223. Go for the neck.
I suspect the four petal design, lends itself to the good penetration characteristics. Does more of a broadhead effect versus the classic instant mushroom that acts like a parachute.
Think either these or the Barnes would serve a hunter well in this caliber
Found out for best accuracy you should have a clean barrel for copper. Lehigh even has an insert in their ammo.
In my experience, the issue is with a dirty barrel from traditional ammo. I haven’t run into issues shooting just the same copper ammo, and starting with a clean barrel. I don’t find this to be an issue, except with an AR15 that I’m switching back and forth between cheaper fmj/bthp at the range and Barnes TSX. Makes me not want to shoot copper in the AR15, as I also don’t believe scrubbing on the barrel with copper solvents all the time is good on the barrel.
Your old Browning's 1 x 12" is the same as M16A1 so 55 gr or lighter should be fine, as long as your individual barrel likes it. As u said, the copper solids are a bit finicky
hope you do the light grain from them
Great video
Wish they made a 32 grain 204 cx bullet
I agree. Would be a sweet 204 load.
So one thing about coppers. They don't have a massive permanent wound channels but they carry the wound channels they do make much deeper acting like a ninja bullet blender.
do you have a reference for this statement. id like to hear more about it. thanks
@@sayimsgt4953 yeap personal experience shooting deer and hogs with both bonded and copper bullet types. I love both and both have their place but copper just hits different and cuts a hell of a wound channel. I shoot the barnes 110gr tac-tx in my 300blk and the barnes 129gr LRX and hornady 130gr CX in my 270win. Also other copper tests on targets. Vortex nation does some great videos testing them.
That's a helpful video
Have you ever test Palmetto State Armory ammo? The ACC ammo, they have some good 556
I'd like to see their 77 and 75 grain options tested
Think about your quarry instead of your rifle and bullets and you will leave your 223 at home and take a big game rifle instead. C’mon.
@@maxcontax summer deer damage tags we use any means possible and it gets expensive using 3006. So 223 for deer damage tags.
How do the CX bullets compare with Barnes bullets?
the 50gr has a terrible BC and is slower. probably useful if you have a 1:12" twist rifle. those rifles will have longer barrels. They probably loaded that shorter bullet with slower powder to take advantage of that longer barrel. Probably lost a ton of velocity with your short barrel.
Published velocities are established in standard longer barrels, usually 22-24". Expect to lose 50-75 fps for each inch lacking.
No. 30 fps lost per inch.
I would just use the 55 grain
What is different with the CX compared to the GMX ?
Can you do more 30-06 ammo tests please
55gr- 10% more weight, roughly 10% more velocity, energy and penetration over the 50 gr load.
From my experience with both copper and lead.. copper penetrates much farther and holds together. Game usually runs after shot.. lead blows up more and I get allot more dropped game on impact. Negative is you have lead in all the meat because it explodes into it.
I’ve seen 3 mule deer shot this year with copper bullets all three combined moved maybe six feet total before they dropped,
The numbers and stats seem to deem the 50 grain load pointless, unless your rifle simply doesn't like the 55 grainers.
What was the twist rate on the barrel? Sorry if i missed it, but i never heard it mentioned.
Did you notice those smelling weird? I shot some of the 35gr superformance and they smelled like swimming pools lol.
No odd smell with these
Sweet
Hornady quality ammo.😊😊
Seems comparable if slightly inferior overall to the Barnes solid copper
Do they make this loading in 22/250 ?
What’s the twist rate on the barrel?
My bets on the 55 gr
I would like to see it out of a 20inch barrle.
for varmitts
Copper bullets keep lead out of the GUT PILES and no extra lead in your CHILDREN either. Those wound channels from a tiny 22 bullet: seems fine to me. .223 for deer? WHY?
I kinda like your vids but not that much….. I doubt that many people are signing up…. Just saying
Nobody cares. Just saying 😅😊
Would this be good ammo for an AR-15 target shooting or would you recommend something different anyway keep up the amazing videos
This stuff would be very expensive for target work, I’d go with whatever’s cheapest for that, unless you’re talking about precision stuff, in which case you would have to try a bunch of stuff to see what your rifle shoots the best